Have you ever noticed that the majority of kids who grow up in strict, religious households turn out to be the most morally and ethically corrupt? Kelly Rowland turned out alright, but that lying, thieving Beyonce is a mess. I can't picture Beyonce being on fire for God. Can you?

She told The Scotsman Newspaper: "I can't live without it. As kids we were so on fire for God. And then you grow up, travel and experience things and stop reading the Bible every day. You don't realize that you're taking important things away from yourself.

"If all this were taken away from me right now I would still have my faith. If you don't have faith the world will eat you alive. Read More...

  • OutsidetheBox

    "Kelly Rowland turned out alright, but that lying, thieving Beyonce is a mess."

    Sandra, where is the gossip? None? Oh, you just needed some hits. :rolleyes:

    In other Kelly news, I really like her "Grwon Woman" song! Gone head Calendar-a!

  • HotTamale

    Remember Destiny's Child singing "nasty girl put some clothes on"? I wish Beyonce would remember that and PUT SOME DAMN CLOTHES ON!!!

  • OutsidetheBox

    *Grown Woman.

  • Nika405

    I think a lot of children who are raised in strict religous households are like this. When we were growing up we went to church 4x's a week with my gmom. That was where you could find us Sun/Mon/Wen/Sat but once she passed we only went on Sunday and then by adulthood I quit for about 8yrs. all of our social lives revolved around church.

  • Chgoprime

    I agree Kelly!

  • MzDimplez1123

    She looks beautiful. I like Kelly, she always seems so positive, even when it seems it's all going downhill for her.

  • http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

    Character is who you are in the dark (heart) when evil and temptation are present. Selah.

    Faith (obedience to the will and word of Yahweh) is all that you need to survive in this world. Talking about faith is not enough. Faith without corresponding actions is dead and useless.

  • thaspinaltruth

    Maybe Kelly needs to tell that to more then half of her now satanist friends.

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    I went to church for CCD which was on Saturday and Mass on Sunday ..

    But I have plenty of cousins who go to church more than me and lets just say..they are loose . :lol: .. :shrugs: ..

    My relationship with God hasn't changed it has grown as I got older..but thats just me...

  • Daisy

    @AM I agree w/your charcter comment

    I was born n raised in the church and still there, going 2night as a matter of fact. I strayed for a min or 2 in my early 20s but he kept me as well during that time. Thank God for grace and mercy :pray:

    Cute pic of Kelly

  • Nika405

    :cosign: AM. My Granny always told us you tell a person of faith by their actions outside of the church.

  • https://www.createspace.com/3393054 iscream

    Lying, thieving Beyonce :|

    Whose to say Kelly is morally just. It seems from her quote she feels she sold out to the lord for fame a little. The only reason Bey is getting grief is because she is the most successful. When Destiny Child split Kelly was apart of that split. Let's not try to shyt on Bey to make Kelly seem like a bigger star. Because it'll take a cave full of Bat shyt to do that.

  • Mamacita

    "Have you ever noticed that the majority of kids who grow up in strict, religious households turn out to be the most morally and ethically corrupt?"

    Majority???? No ma'am! I agree that SOME do but majority is a stretch don't you think? I've been in church all my life and my parents are preachers but i am not morally and ethically corrupt. I wish people would stop saying that! Everytime i tell someone my parents are preachers they say "oh ya'll the worst ones" and I wanna slap them everytime. We're the same as anyone else. It's like people expect you to be perferct and that's impossible. Everyone makes mistakes so it has nothing to do with strict religious housholds and everything to do with being HUMAN.

  • Man, I just don’t care™

    @NIKA
    "When we were growing up we went to church 4x’s a week with my gmom."
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    OH HAIL NO!

    See, I had to break my family in early on that chit like that WASN'T happenin. :nono:

    I would GLADYLY take my whippin before I was up in Church like that was the hangout spot or something.

  • speakinmymind

    attorneymom says:
    Character is who you are in the dark (heart) when evil and temptation are present. Selah.
    Faith (obedience to the will and word of Yahweh) is all that you need to survive in this world. Talking about faith is not enough. Faith without corresponding actions is dead and useless.
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    :preach:

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Well said Kelly. That is so true, you get caught up in the world because you think you are having fun but Christ is always in your heart so you feel guilty. I am enjoying my so ever growing relationship with HIM. I am not perfect and sometimes I may fall short but not off.

    SN: Yes I talk about sex and love sex more now that I am married. It has a whole new meaning. Can't explain it. Based on my teachings, don't think I've done any abomination.

  • MissHarlem

    :dead: @ MAN

  • CivilEngineer

    Why throw salt on Bey?

    What makes her so evil? Because she keeps her PRIVATE life...ummmm oh yea PRIVATE!

    #THANKGODFORMYLIFE

  • speakinmymind

    Man wasn't breaking nobody in 'bout nothin! :lol: he just took a whole lotta beatings and went to church with a sore behind and a tear-stained face! :lol:

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Mamacita says:

    “Have you ever noticed that the majority of kids who grow up in strict, religious households turn out to be the most morally and ethically corrupt?”

    Majority???? No ma’am! I agree that SOME do but majority is a stretch don’t you think? I’ve been in church all my life and my parents are preachers but i am not morally and ethically corrupt. I wish people would stop saying that! Everytime i tell someone my parents are preachers they say “oh ya’ll the worst ones” and I wanna slap them everytime. We’re the same as anyone else. It’s like people expect you to be perferct and that’s impossible. Everyone makes mistakes so it has nothing to do with strict religious housholds and everything to do with being HUMAN.

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    :cosign: There's evil in and out of the pews. That's why you have to keep the shield of faith and carry the sword of the spirit which is the word of GOD.

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    I have aunts and uncles and cousins who parents are preachers..and I am not stereotyping them...Majority of them are messed up and this is from first hand experience... (but this is ppl I know)

    So God will approve you spreading his word and then contradict yourself...Bible thumpers kill me..

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    @ Civil

    I think they are referring to the obvious business decisions made by Beyonce and her father. Even though he was the manager, as a friend/sister, she should've stepped in but she "seemed" so much more focused on her career. I'm on the fence about this one, I like Kelly as a person, for what is displayed, but I never thought he had what it takes or a voice that stands out, the "it" factor. Her vocals are mediocre IMO.

  • Daisy

    @mama guilty as charged for sayin that abt PK :lol: not all of yall are wild but some are like u said but if they were not PK nobody wld care when they wild out as teens/young adults cause yall are indeed still human like everybody else. We all sinners saved by grace IMO

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    He who is without sin shall cast the first stone. When you can admit to your short comings the next step is growth. #thatsall

  • Man, I just don’t care™

    @SPEAKIN MY MIND
    "Man wasn’t breaking nobody in ’bout nothin! he just took a whole lotta beatings and went to church with a sore behind and a tear-stained face! "
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    My people got tired of giving me whippings and eventually just let me have my way.

    It was a wise decision.

    :coffee:

  • SouthrnGent

    Religion doesn't have nothing to do with how a child will turn out as an adult imo. Kelly looks good in the above pic though.

  • Daisy

    Can I get the def of a bible thumper please and thank u in advance

  • CivilEngineer

    @Free...when it comes to Bey all I see is a country girl living out her dreams :shrugs: Call me naive but she's never done anything to change my perspective

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    Outta of this post the tile alone is blasphemous "on fire for GOD" but for real I'm outta this post cuz it's about to be some bible thumping comments

    Love You GOD!

  • Mamacita

    CivilEngineer says:

    Why throw salt on Bey?

    What makes her so evil? Because she keeps her PRIVATE life…ummmm oh yea PRIVATE!

    #THANKGODFORMYLIFE

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    Right! No one knows what goes on in her personal because she chooses not to share it with the WORLD. She demands he privacy just like everyone else. I don't run around throwing bibles at everyone to prove i'm a Christain so why should she?

    SN: It's funny how people always want to say that Beyonce needs to sit down and let Kelly shine but then turn around and throw Beyonce's name around everytime Kelly pops up.

  • OutsidetheBox

    Let’s not try to shyt on Bey to make Kelly seem like a bigger star. Because it’ll take a cave full of Bat shyt to do that.

    :rofl:

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @Daisy
    IMO bible thumping is cognisant of jehovah witness-knocking at doors with their version of their religion I don't mean it in any harm I'm just choosing my battles more wisely now-adays

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    @ Civil

    Beyonce has talent though. Can't take that away.

  • http://thecubiclechick.com STLVixen

    There have been plenty of celebs who grew up in the church and lost their way. Some more than others (ie, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, Jodeci, etc. etc.) IMO, it looks as if Kelly wants to become closer to her faith and I applaud her for that.

  • http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

    Lawd, Daisy agrees with me again. I must be getting better with my walk with Christ. :-)

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    A bible thumper to me ..is somone who goes around quoting the bible to justify what they feel is wrong but doesn't follow the word themselves.....

    Basically a hypocrite who uses the bible as their defense for everything ...but lives their lives opposite everything they are preaching to others...

  • Mamacita

    SouthrnGent says:

    Religion doesn’t have nothing to do with how a child will turn out as an adult imo. Kelly looks good in the above pic though.

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    Religion has everything to do with how a child will turn out.

  • OutsidetheBox

    Bible thumpers push THEIR beliefs, to me. And are pretty much contradictory..

    They never consider anything but the Christian view and ummm, are really not good at that. :/

    IMO, of course. :coffee:

  • OutsidetheBox

    "Religion has everything to do with how a child will turn out."

    *side eye* Elaborate please @Mama. The lack of religion...? Or ...?

  • speakinmymind

    i agree with missy's definition of a 'bible thumper'. people can tell if you're a believer/follower of Jesus Christ by your deeds, not words. you don't have to tell people you're a Christian.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Bible Thumping:

    You say you are a Christian on a blog, you voice your opinions/advice on past sexual encounters and current experience with your spouse then that makes you a bible thumper->hence "foolish talking and coarse jesting-Eph 5" Like you are knocking the teachings or living not to the standards of GOD. My Opinion :coffee:

  • PAHairston

    Hello All. Like my husband often says: The brightest fires in hell will be those of the 'SO-CALLED' Christians. That said, my sisters and I grew up in the church in the south, as many did. One of my sisters has been 'saved' most of her life. I've never heard her cuss nor seen her drink but sneaky? That's her middle name. She's my sister and I love her to death but after our last heated argument, over money she owes, she told me, and these are her exact words: The next time I see your face may the mortician have prepared it to burn in hell with Harry. Mind you, Harry is OUR father, by blood, God rest his soul, who committed suicide in '86 after having a stroke. Does this sound like a Christian to you? And trust me, there is so, so much more drama to this story but I don't have enough room nor time to share it! And I ain't got reason to lie! Peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  • CivilEngineer

    I think teaching a child morals and faith has more of an impact on them as they grow than religion. Children rarely pay attention in church and the Bible is just a really big boring book until you understand what you're reading.

  • pinksghetti

    A lot of young famous singers start off singing in the Church choir and then them and their family get some money and forget all about their faith. Jessica Simpson's dad was a minister and we see how he allowed his daughter to parade in a bikini a few years back. Same for Britney she was really religious at first then fame happened. It's a combo of money and fame (being idolized) that drives people from being faithful. I bet it would be hard to name Christian, practicers of Judiasm or Islamic people in Hollywood.

  • Daisy

    In survivor Kelly says she wont compromise her christianity that was my FAV line of the song

    Thanks for the answers

  • https://www.createspace.com/3393054 iscream

    @ Free

    In regards to comment #22 if you found out one of your coworkers was about to get fired or got fired would you/have you stepped to your manager to try and save their job? Do you/have you quit? I'm trying to understand how that business decision was Bey's fault. Yes he is her daddy but since the Writings on the wall CD it was obvious that Bey was the better artist so that's likely why more focus was put on her.

    Kelly is no longer under Matthew and she is a star overseas but still not in America. When is the blame going to go from Bey to Kelly. Maybe she just doesn't have the "it" factor to be a solo artist :shrugs:

  • Mamacita

    missy says:

    A bible thumper to me ..is somone who goes around quoting the bible to justify what they feel is wrong but doesn’t follow the word themselves…..

    Basically a hypocrite who uses the bible as their defense for everything …but lives their lives opposite everything they are preaching to others…

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    :cosign: Some people go around judging and condeming others because they can't fix themselves! As the saying goes "people in glass house shouldn't throw stones". They know what's right and choose to do wrong anyway but then get on you for not doing what the word says. The best way to stop that is knowing the word for yourself so that when the "bible thumpers" come along trying to tear you down, you may be able to get them right on together and tell them about themselves.

  • Nika405

    @Man I told my granny I wasn't going to church one Sunday because "at home" I stayed home and watched cartoons...after the bruise went away from being slapped into the oven, the burns healed from her pressing my hair and the lump in my throat went down from having to eat cold oatmeal before church...I was NEVER disrecpectful to her ever again and gladly took myself to church. When my mom came to pick me up she laughed all the way back to the city.

  • pinksghetti

    Majority???? No ma’am! I agree that SOME do but majority is a stretch don’t you think? I’ve been in church all my life and my parents are preachers but i am not morally and ethically corrupt. I wish people would stop saying that! Everytime i tell someone my parents are preachers they say “oh ya’ll the worst ones” and I wanna slap them everytime. We’re the same as anyone else. It’s like people expect you to be perferct and that’s impossible. Everyone makes mistakes so it has nothing to do with strict religious housholds and everything to do with being HUMAN.

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    @ Mamacita, I totally agree!

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    For my beliefs and NOT judging anyone elses:

    Everyone is fighting demons, when you recognize them and seek the word, with time there is change. My battle was fornication. I'm not in that place anymore. We are taught to tell the teachings so the blood stain isn't on us as a wise woman did the same for me. if we share the same religion we should shared the same beliefs, if not carry on. I got a lot of slack before for not agreeing with men marrying each other. That's MY belief so when QUESTIONED about it that was my answer. I DON'T point my finger out therefore I am NO hypocrite and talking about sex with my husband...Where's the sin in that?

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    Actually...if you contradict yourself on a blog and preaching God's word you should be called out on it....and please grow up if thats what I think of you so be it ..unless its true because you keep bringing it up... :shrugs: ..TRUTH HURTS I guess ..

    Any who on the preachers kids and them acting bad ..Im speaking from the people I know..and not just stereotypes ..but like I said these are ppl I know...

    And @Pa- :rofl: ..your gravi slaying me :rofl: ..I can't read your comments... and I cosign your husband "everyone who claims they know the lord isn't going to make it into heaven" it is easier for a person who doesn't know about God to get into heaven than those who know him...

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @PAHairston
    Exactly my point ppl period swear up and down they are so pure and just but those same ppl possess an innate insecurity about themselves that all that purety and fairness goes out the window due to their own self-doubt

    I'm close with GOD becuz I'm a spiritual person not because I follow any one religion

  • Nika405

    @Daisy I think a bible thumper is someone who tries to justify what they feel is right by quoting bible verses to back them up. But I stongly feel a lot of people say they love the Lord and try to do right by God, but if you look at their every day actions you would not know that they are on a walk with the Lord you would think they are right in the pitts of Satans hell.

  • Mamacita

    OutsidetheBox says:

    “Religion has everything to do with how a child will turn out.”

    *side eye* Elaborate please @Mama. The lack of religion…? Or …?

    CivilEngineer says:

    I think teaching a child morals and faith has more of an impact on them as they grow than religion. Children rarely pay attention in church and the Bible is just a really big boring book until you understand what you’re reading.

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    @OTB Civil pretty much summed up my point with the exception of one thing, where do your morals and faith come from? Religion right? If they're not based on religion then where do they come from? So to say religion doesn't play a part in a childs upbringing is false IMO. Proverbs 22:6 says "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." So it is on the parents to instill the teachings that they will need once they get older.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    iscream says:

    @ Free

    In regards to comment #22 if you found out one of your coworkers was about to get fired or got fired would you/have you stepped to your manager to try and save their job? Do you/have you quit? I’m trying to understand how that business decision was Bey’s fault. Yes he is her daddy but since the Writings on the wall CD it was obvious that Bey was the better artist so that’s likely why more focus was put on her.

    Kelly is no longer under Matthew and she is a star overseas but still not in America. When is the blame going to go from Bey to Kelly. Maybe she just doesn’t have the “it” factor to be a solo artist
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    You just repeated what I said in the same post that I wrote in #22. As in regards to co-workers. When are hired SEPERATELY not TOGETHER like a singing group so the dynamics are different.

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @Free
    Honestly I think some folks care about what others think to much I don't and never have I've dealt with hate all my life from being victimized at the age of 5 to being picked on in jr high school - the problem wasn't me it was them I don't give two peas in a bucket about what ppl think of me to many ppl focus on others when they should be focused on themselves just sayn

  • CivilEngineer

    @Mama...my idea of religion is actively learning the teachings of the Bible. The Bible is no simple read which is why I think it's difficult for kids to grasp (ages 0-10 atleast) But yea I did mean faith in God and what's right and wrong.

  • Nika405

    I was always taught you knew a christian by their actions not their word. If I quoted my Pastor's sermon word for word that's not showing I'm a true believer, but if in your every day interactions with other they get a sense of you being a christian that's who you are. So if everything I put out is about lying, cheating, stealing would others look to me as a chrsitian or as a hypocrite?

  • Mamacita

    it is easier for a person who doesn’t know about God to get into heaven than those who know him…

    :blink: Really??? If you don't know God how will you get into heaven?

    It's like going to someone's house that you don't know, knocking on the door, and expecting them to let you in. If you don't know them why would they let you in?

  • OutsidetheBox

    "I think teaching a child morals and faith has more of an impact on them as they grow than religion."

    :cosign:

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Choco says:

    @Free
    Honestly I think some folks care about what others think to much I don’t and never have I’ve dealt with hate all my life from being victimized at the age of 5 to being picked on in jr high school – the problem wasn’t me it was them I don’t give two peas in a bucket about what ppl think of me to many ppl focus on others when they should be focused on themselves just sayn

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    I feel you. Blogging can be a two edged sword. You are assuming someone's mood by their words. There is no face. People constantly take your words, twist it just to make themselves feel inferior. It's shameful. I agree with whoever said you don't have to tell people you are a Christian HOWEVER when you are on a blog everything is written, that's how your character is developed. I can say that I've NEVER quoted scriptures to get my point across but if I am in a debate and SOMEONE is wondering HOW I come to my point of view and my religion has some merit, I will mention it. Heck, you asked!!! I don't judge or point fingers as other folk. #dontask

  • speakinmymind

    @ OTB
    :offtopic: what the heck is that you're touching in your gravi?

  • OutsidetheBox

    "I’m close with GOD becuz I’m a spiritual person not because I follow any one religion"

    :cosign: I'm lazy today. Sorry for stealing words.

  • Mamacita

    @civil i know what you meant and as a child they won't understand what the bible is saying that's why it's on the PARENTS to teach them what's in the bible. That's the reason I gave the scripture which says the resposibility is for the parent to teach the child what's right and worng based on their knowledge of the word.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    OutsidetheBox says:

    “I think teaching a child morals and faith has more of an impact on them as they grow than religion.”

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    Just a thought and I am not fighting with you today :hug: But where do you think faith and morals derive from? I am JUST asking put the claws on ice :lol:

  • OutsidetheBox

    A wee.d grinder @Speak. :lolol:

    Dont worry, *Smokey voice* "Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage..."

    :rofl:

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    @Mama-Yes it is So you think the people in the world who know nada about God is going to hell.... :eek: God is the judge and all knowing so no one can determine who is going to heaven or hell but him..I will leave it at that......

  • OutsidetheBox

    "put the claws on ice " @Free

    :rofl: Girl, you are crazy! I knew me and you would get on so well *rubs hands together delightfully*

    Hmmm...Do you think the concept of Faith is limited to religion? Without God, there is no morality?

  • speakinmymind

    OutsidetheBox says:
    A wee.d grinder @Speak.
    Dont worry, *Smokey voice* “Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage…”
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    why must you make me :rofl: at work?!? i hate chew!!

  • OutsidetheBox

    For you to @Mama #54. I do not believe that faith and morals are intrinsically tied to religion only.

  • speakinmymind

    @ missy
    u know i'm reading all your comments in the voice in my head that i think your gravi sounds like?!? :lol:
    ...like Huggy Bear from Starsky & Hutch!! :lol:

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @Free
    I know what you are saying and yes if you need to back up it up then you should but I've noticed a lot of posers on here and I do have a third eye so I know a lot of what some ppl comment is not how they are really living life becuz if you are confident in who you are there is no need to judge (not referring to you)

  • http://lovingme782.wordpress.com Ms. Everything

    completely :cosign: with Mamacita on this one and Civil, except I was in church reading the bible for myself at like 6 and comprehending fine but I was also a lil gifted so

  • OutsidetheBox

    :rofl: @Speak. but at least you get to voice your hate here. Waiting on registration, some of us just been :rofl: at our desks for 2 years!

  • Mamacita

    OutsidetheBox says:

    For you to @Mama #54. I do not believe that faith and morals are intrinsically tied to religion only.

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    If not then where do they come from? They didn't just fall from the sky so they had to originate from somewhere?

  • Daisy

    Well I am open and respectful to all religions/beliefs although I am a christian who loves Jesus. I feel ppl can be nice and do good deeds but it doesn't mean they know or care to know God/Jesus which is their right. Good conversation thus far no name calling :clap:

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    OutsidetheBox says:

    “put the claws on ice ” @Free

    Girl, you are crazy! I knew me and you would get on so well *rubs hands together delightfully*

    Hmmm…Do you think the concept of Faith is limited to religion? Without God, there is no morality?

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    IMO *side eying your claws* yes. I think it's derived from the teachings within the bible on how to live. Yes I believe that's where faith and morality comes from. The bible is used amongst different denominations BUT every denomination has a different way of worship.

  • OutsidetheBox

    *waves* @Ms. I knew you would!

    "..but I was also a lil gifted so.." :lolol:

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Choco says:

    @Free
    I know what you are saying and yes if you need to back up it up then you should but I’ve noticed a lot of posers on here and I do have a third eye so I know a lot of what some ppl comment is not how they are really living life becuz if you are confident in who you are there is no need to judge (not referring to you)

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    We are >>here<<. It's like once someone hears that you are on that path, they are just waiting for you to mess up. No one is perfect. Some people get satisfaction out of that.

  • http://andjesuswept.tumblr.com/ Jusathought

    #illuminati

    *drops the mic and backs away slowly* :pray:

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    speakinmymind says:

    @ missy
    u know i’m reading all your comments in the voice in my head that i think your gravi sounds like?!? :lol:
    …like Huggy Bear from Starsky & Hutch!! :lol:
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    that is probably how he speaks.... :rofl:

    Any way..I find it funny how we all can read the bible and not even come remotely close to the same conclusion...It is really astonishing..I believe in interpreting stuff in your own way but the words have deeper meanings than the surface.. again to each its own...at the end of the day God judges us....for what we did on earth that determines where we go after death.....

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @Free
    Those who get satisfaction out of that are the very ones who are living foul TRUST girl don't no one who is happy judge and take everything negatively -

  • speakinmymind

    FreeToSpeakUp says:
    ...It's like once someone hears that you are on that path, they are just waiting for you to mess up. No one is perfect. Some people get satisfaction out of that.
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    :cosign: i tell people all the time, it's a JOURNEY. i'm not going to get it right all the dang time but i'm putting forth my very best effort, and learning invaluable lessons as i go along. i know that i'm growing spiritually and getting closer to the purpose He has for me in this life. For me, it's pure joy knowing you've come THROUGH something with His grace and mercy on your side. anytime trials come my way, i always seek what it is that i'm supposed to learn about myself to help me on my journey and try not to dwell too long on the situation itself.

  • OutsidetheBox

    *Tip toes in deeper*

    @mama I should say that I have my own issues with Christianity… Mostly my problems stem from the gross ambiguity of the religion itself. I was raised a Southern Baptist and spent plenty of time with ‘em. As I got further in my education, the teachings could not sustain me.

    I fully believe in God. I do not fully believe in The Bible and its inconsistencies.

  • speakinmymind

    OutsidetheBox says:
    *Tip toes in deeper*
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    ...and that's how the fight started! :lol:

  • Nika405

    @Choco Can you ask your third eye what numbers I need to play to win Saturdays Powerball?

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    Nika405 says:

    @Choco Can you ask your third eye what numbers I need to play to win Saturdays Powerball?
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    :rofl: Me too I could use the cash...

  • speakinmymind

    Nika405 says:
    @Choco Can you ask your third eye what numbers I need to play to win Saturdays Powerball?
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    :rofl: u's a fewl!!

  • speakinmymind

    @ nika
    i was gonna ask what color it is? :lol:

  • OutsidetheBox

    *waits on them numbers*

    Mama got bills!

  • Jerrie

    Majority???? No ma’am! I agree that SOME do but majority is a stretch don’t you think? I’ve been in church all my life and my parents are preachers but i am not morally and ethically corrupt. I wish people would stop saying that! Everytime i tell someone my parents are preachers they say “oh ya’ll the worst ones” and I wanna slap them everytime. We’re the same as anyone else. It’s like people expect you to be perferct and that’s impossible. Everyone makes mistakes so it has nothing to do with strict religious housholds and everything to do with being HUMAN.
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    :cosign: I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather is a pastor. Mind you everybody knew him, my grandma and my mom, so if we did something wrong. We might as well go to hell because we're the pastors kids and pastors kids ain't suppose to do this and do that. What people don't understand is that we're human and we are going to make mistake. I don't go around saying you're going to hell because you're not living right and this and that. Every Christian isn't like that.

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @Speak
    Don't even girl I can't get that info but I can cast spells to win!

  • Mamacita

    I understand and i know a lot of people feel that way but what that stems from is not haveing knowledge of the entire book. You can't get a book, only read certain parts of it, a book and expect to know it in it's entirety. You will never have good comprehesion of it. What inconsistencies are in the Bible? Give me an example...

  • http://chokolatemilk.blogspot.com Choco

    @OTB
    Fine line girl gotta be careful I've been culminating this spell for the past 6 months and I'm still not ready timing is everything so IDK can't help you with the bills boo sorry

  • Val

    Beyonce was and is the best looking and talented of the whole destiny dynasty clan

    TEAM BEY ALL DAY!!! :cheer1:

    HI :hater:

  • Mamacita

    that last msg was at OTB by the way...

  • OutsidetheBox

    Come on now @mama, I mentioned that Southenrn Baptist...you know, I have read and have had read to me the Bible in its entirety.

    "Give me an example…" On the first day God created light, then the sun wasnt created until the 4th day...?

    That was a question I asked when I was 8 and I got in trouble; had to face the wall and all. :/

  • https://www.createspace.com/3393054 iscream

    @ Free

    So because they were in a group together Bey was suppose to give up her career to try and save Kelly's? And if memory serves me correct that group went through many members before they even made it. So I don't know if they started together. Besides let's say we go back to when they all became famous together. I don't remember Kelly jumping ship when Latoya and Latavia was removed/left.

    As far as the other topic. Whitney started as a church singer lost her way and came back. I'm more of a spiritual person than religious because I believe in evolution.

  • http://twitter.com/Ms_Missy2791 missy

    Lets face it the bible is obviously missing stuff seeing as how it was translated over the years things were bound to be left out...they even dropped books from the bible...They bible is suppose to have way more books..I mean there are a lot of versions to the bible and some have more books than others...

  • speakinmymind

    iscream Says:
    I’m more of a spiritual person than religious because I believe in evolution.
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    u betta tell it!!

  • Daisy

    @Val Lativa is prettier to me

    @OTB I agree w/you abt the bible as well I believe n God and his word but somethings don't always add up to me either I just pray and keep it moving

  • speakinmymind

    @ iscream
    i read your comment and thought you were referring to 'evolution' like evolving spiritually as you go through life, not scientific evolution. not that i don't understand the scientific explanation for how we got here, i believe that God created the heavens and the Earth...and everything else for that matter.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    iscream says:

    @ Free

    So because they were in a group together Bey was suppose to give up her career to try and save Kelly’s? And if memory serves me correct that group went through many members before they even made it. So I don’t know if they started together. Besides let’s say we go back to when they all became famous together. I don’t remember Kelly jumping ship when Latoya and Latavia was removed/left.

    As far as the other topic. Whitney started as a church singer lost her way and came back. I’m more of a spiritual person than religious because I believe in evolution.

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    I am not looking for a fight, I don't have that type(negative) of energy today. But I am responding genuinely, those 4 girls started at youth together (Kel, Bey, Toya and Tavia), Kelly didn't leave because SHE was too loyal and wasted too much time late in her career. The other girls living is a obvious sign that the management of the GROUP was unfair. We hardly knew anyone else's voice on their records and Toya can sing. Had he put as much energy into her she could've been another solo artist. Look at Solange's career. It's like he disowned her too once she had that baby @ 17.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    @ Iscream
    As far as the other topic. Whitney started as a church singer lost her way and came back. I’m more of a spiritual person than religious because I believe in evolution.
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    Oh and BTW evolution does not have a spirit, so how can you believe in evolution and be spiritual at the same time? Please explain

  • Mamacita

    OTB you should read it again (Genesis) because they say 2 different things. Day 4 was a differnt light form the first day. And you're not 8 anymore so if you feel like you need further explanation you should ask someone. #noshade i said that in the nicest way possible so you won't think i'm getting snappy with you :lol:

  • Mamacita

    Honestly at the end of day i'll believe what i believe and you'll believe what you believe. We are all entitled to that. I'm not judgin anyone because of the way they live or what they believe because it's not my place to do so. My besfriend is gay and me and him are closer than close and will do anything for eachother. I don't judge or hate him because of his lifestyle, imay not agree with it, but that doesn't stop our friendship. He is a great friend and I love him for that. I just want to say that some people shouldn't bottle all Christains up in one group saying that all we do is hit people with the bible and holy water then turn our noses up at those who don't do as we say and believe! I am not, have not, and will not be like that.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    Mamacita says:

    Honestly at the end of day i’ll believe what i believe and you’ll believe what you believe. We are all entitled to that. I’m not judgin anyone because of the way they live or what they believe because it’s not my place to do so. My besfriend is gay and me and him are closer than close and will do anything for eachother. I don’t judge or hate him because of his lifestyle, imay not agree with it, but that doesn’t stop our friendship. He is a great friend and I love him for that. I just want to say that some people shouldn’t bottle all Christains up in one group saying that all we do is hit people with the bible and holy water then turn our noses up at those who don’t do as we say and believe! I am not, have not, and will not be like that
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    :cosign:

  • Daisy

    Oh Lord we were doing so well w/o an e fights :pray: it stays that way

    @mama My pastor is female a lot of ppl (has gotten better over the yrs) don't believe a women shld be Pastors n they always take it back to the bible and quote the women shld remain silent or what have u n church. Just an ex tryin to think of more I usally have so many but I still read n believe n the word.

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    FreeToSpeakUp says:
    I am not looking for a fight, I don’t have that type(negative) of energy today. But I am responding genuinely, those 4 girls started at youth together (Kel, Bey, Toya and Tavia), Kelly didn’t leave because SHE was too loyal and wasted too much time late in her career. The other girls living is a obvious sign that the management of the GROUP was unfair. We hardly knew anyone else’s voice on their records and Toya can sing. Had he put as much energy into her she could’ve been another solo artist. Look at Solange’s career. It’s like he disowned her too once she had that baby @ 17.
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    THOSE 4 GIRLS DIDN'T ALL START TOGETHER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO YOU WILL SEE IT WAS MORE TO BEGIN WITH, MINUS LETOYA LUCKETT. AFTER THEIR RECORD DEAL FELL THROUGH MATHEW DOWN SIZED TO THE 4. THEY ALL PRACTICED TOGETHER, SANG TOGETHER AND WENT THROUGH TRAINING TOGETHER, SO HOW IS IT BEYONCE GOT MORE THAN THEM? BEYONCE WAS THE LEAD SINGER, SHE WROTE THE MAJORITY OF THE SONGS ON THEIR ALBUMS. I HAVE YET TO THIS DAY HEAR ANY OF THEM COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW THEY WERE CHEATED OUT OF THEIR MONEY AND CREDIT FOR SONGS AND WORK THEY PUT IN ON THEIR OWN TIME, EXCEPT FOR BEYONCE. MATHEW MADE SURE AFTER THAT SHE DID GET HER CREDIT THOUGH. KELLY SOLO CAREER STARTED BEFORE BEYONCE'S......DID IT GO PLATINIUM?

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    OH YEAH, IF YOU WATCH ANY OF BEYONCE'S CONCERTS, YOU WILL SEE THAT SHE GIVE GOD THE GLORY FOR WHAT SHE DO AND HAVE. SHE SAYS SHE KNOWS WITHOUT HIM NONE OF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. SANDRA YOU AND OTHERS NEED TO REALISE KELLY WILL NEVER SHINE IF EVERY TIME YOU MENTION KELLY'S NAME IT IS FOLLOWED BY BEYONCE'S NAME. EVEN THOUGH I FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT ARTISTS SHINING. DO YOU LOOK AT THE SKY FILLED WITH STARS AND SAY. "I CAN'T SEE THAT STAR ON THE LEFT BECAUSE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS SHINING TO BRIGHT?"

  • OutsidetheBox

    Ive had enough with Genesis @mama :lolol: It also says that Man and woman were created at the same time...then man was created first, women later. :confused:

    "I just pray and keep it moving" I try to keep it moving it gets hard though, cause I want to understand!

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    @ MunchosGirl

    Look sweetie, as Daisy said, I was hoping for no e-fights. And I won't engage in any. First off, the picture above has Tavia, Letoya, Kelly and Beyonce in it. Secondly, I watched the special on them where ALL of them spoke and confirmed who they were and that same picture above was featured as well as home videos. Thirdly, you obviously didn't read all my posts so with that, you need to find someone else to start with because I am finished with our conversation.

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    WHICH ONE IS LETOYA FREE?

  • Mamacita

    @Daisy that's because people don't understand that things change that's why there is a new testiment and an old testiment. If we were still living in old testiment days we'd all be dead! :lol: Things change so there is nothing wrong with a female Pastor...my mom is one.

    @OTB You're right Just pray and keep it moving...

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTED WHO YOU WERE LOOKING AT, THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL MEMEBERS OF GIRL'S TYME, BEYONCE, KELLY, TAMAR, NINA AND NIKKI. THIS IS FACTS NOT AN E-ARGUMENT.

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    ^SORRY FORGOT ABOUT LATAVIA

  • OutsidetheBox

    #Welldamn.

    "Oh Lord we were doing so well w/o an e fights...it stays that way..."

    Daisy did you not fast? Why your prayer didnt work? :waiting:

    JUST KIDDING! :hug: @Daisy.

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    @ OTB

    You in lurk mode? There are e-fights all over the place :lol:

  • OutsidetheBox

    You in lurk mode?

    :rofl:

    Yes, and I'm posting from my phone. Super slowwwwww!

  • FreeToSpeakUp

    I sure am :rofl: I don't have time for that!

  • Krysi J

    Kelly just setting the record straight....ain no harm in letting it be known she ain down with that satanic crap! :coffee:

  • Daisy

    @OTB you are a FOOL! :lol:

    @Krysi I :heart: you

  • Val

    LOL- LETOYA MUST HAVE GOTTON PLASTIC SURGERY BECUASE NONE OF THOESE LIL GIRLS LOOK LIKE HER.. I SEE BEYONCE, KELLY, LATAVIA

    TWO OF THEM LOOK LIKE TWINS.. AND I CANT MAKE OUT THE LAST LIL GIRL IS.. BUT :no: LATOYA

  • HotTamale

    Daisy says:

    Well I am open and respectful to all religions/beliefs although I am a christian who loves Jesus. I feel ppl can be nice and do good deeds but it doesn’t mean they know or care to know God/Jesus which is their right. Good conversation thus far no name calling
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    @Daisy, Don't mean to put you on the spot but IMO you truly represent my idea of a Christian. You are such a sweetie.

  • Candi Apple

    I always believed that space was a dark place and when the light was created it was the stars. the forth day was the light from the sun. #justathought. Scientist associate that with the big bang theory.

    Could the gods that people believed in have been the beings from a different world that visited and noted in pictures. They are also noted by the Egyptians, Indians, Myians, etc. All on the pyramids throughout the glob. Its more to it than what meets the eyes. Like someone stated many books have been left out and If the first book was gods word why would people create a new on for changing times. some things get lost in translation.

  • Lady_L

    CivilEngineer says:

    Why throw salt on Bey?

    What makes her so evil? Because she keeps her PRIVATE life…ummmm oh yea PRIVATE!

    co-sign...

  • Val

    TEAM BEY!!! :cheer1: :bow:

  • https://www.createspace.com/3393054 iscream

    @Free

    I believe in the spirit of God and the evolution of man. If you can't understand what I mean by that; then that's your problem. I see when someone doesn't agree with you, you push it off as e-beef. You said it to Munch when she spoke to you, as well as me. When I have a beef with you trust me...... you'll know.

  • MUNCHOSGIRL

    iscream, there was no beef or animosity towards Free, they took it that way, I was only giving facts...Letoya Luckett is no where on that photo up there, she wasn't on Star Search, and she wasn't added until after those girls, the original Girls Tyme(photo Sandra posted) lost on Star Search. That is when Mathew took over People are so quick to try and throw salt until all their info is incorrect. Girls Tyme was Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland,Latavia Roberson, Tamar Davis ,Nikki and Nina Taylor. I pray to God Kelly makes it big, shine or whatever people swear Beyonce and Mathew are keeping her from doing.

  • http://lovingme782.wordpress.com Ms. Everything

    I'm late coming back but :rofl: @OTB yes I was (still am) the gifted granddaughter of a preacher and stayed in church non stop. Even when we were out of church me and my little cousins used to "play church" and one of us would be in the dining room on the organ, somebody be standing on a chair giving the sermon and another would be passed out on the floor lol