U.S. president Barack Obama has approved $6 million in taxpayer dollars to be used to spruce up Islamic sites and mosques all over the world. That's nice of him isn't it?

According to the Washington Post:

The goodwill tour of the Middle East by the Imam behind the proposed mosque near ground zero is just part of the U.S. government’s efforts to reach out to the Muslim world.

This year, the Obama administration will spend nearly $6 million to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including mosques and minarets, in 55 nations, according to State Department documents.

Under a program established by Congress in 2001, the department will fund at least five projects in as many countries at a cost of more than $271,000.

The contributions include $76,135 for the 16th century Grand Mosque in Tongxin, China, and $67,500 for the 18th century Golden Mosque in Lahore, Pakistan. An additional $62,169 will be spent on restoring a 19th century minaret in Mauritania’s ancient city of Tichitt; $50,437 for the Sundarwala Burj, a 16th century Islamic Monument in New Delhi, and $15,450 to restore the 18th century Gobarau Minaret in Katsina, Nigeria.

I'm sure there are churches in the black community right here in the United States that need a little fixing up. Good luck getting the funds out of Obama if you're church isn't a mosque.

  • MOUTH

    Sandy you missed me today that's why u messing wit my President again. :hater:

  • OutsidetheBox

    :hater:

  • MOUTH

    If the government has set up funds special grants to assist Koreans and Chinese to open up businesses why is this story even relevant? Muslims are not the enemy Al Qaeda is.

  • FloridaChick813

    Im saying though... Why spend 6 million restoring historic and cultural sites around the world, while we americans are in a recession?? H3ll, I know a few neighborhoods that could use restoration :shrug:

  • OutsidetheBox

    Too bad the link doesnt lead to the WP.

    Damn redirecting browser. :coffee:

  • SangriaSugar

    DOn't forget to include the since 2001 the U.S. government has spent about $26 million on the program and have funded 640 cultural preservation projects in more than 100 countries.
    :coffee:

  • MOUTH

    We will all find something we think is more relevant for the government to spend on it’s not gone happen Biasness is in everything why nobody complains when millions are spent to rebuild and feed Africans, or what about the millions being spent to restore Haiti.. Don’t worry I’ll wait :waiting:

  • Redeemed777

    And here we have another major HEATHEN leading God's chosen people astray to suffer the fate of the Edomites.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ButtaFlyyTulsa ButtaFlyyTulsa

    Can we restore some of our own historical sites and buildings that ARE NOT on the East Coast?

    And I'm out :kona:

  • Mamacita

    Welp, here we go again... :yawn:

  • Mamacita

    MOUTH says:

    We will all find something we think is more relevant for the government to spend on it’s not gone happen Biasness is in everything why nobody complains when millions are spent to rebuild and feed Africans, or what about the millions being spent to restore Haiti.. Don’t worry I’ll wait :waiting:

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    :cosign:

  • T.Y’z Cha Cha

    Gravi Check

  • T.Y’z Cha Cha

    :rofl:

    OTB you aint slick.... you gon wear that Hater out... I LOVE IT withcho slick azz :rofl: :rofl:

  • OutsidetheBox

    :rofl:

    :rofl:

    I got gravis, signs...they dont want it ChaCha!!!! :rofl:

  • OutsidetheBox

    T.Y'z Cha Cha says:

    Gravi Check

    :thumbsup:

  • crzasallgetout

    @ TY @ OTB
    She ain't slick. I see that heifer is being funny. :nana: Messy self

  • PAHairston

    Hello All. I declare, I wonder whom Auntie dislikes(hates) more, Obama or Bey. Perhaps they can share a beer at the WhiteHouse and discuss their differences? Now Sandra, that would be a feat, an invite to the Black House. LOL

  • T.Y’z Cha Cha

    PAHairston says:

    Hello All. I declare, I wonder whom Auntie dislikes(hates) more, Obama or Bey. Perhaps they can share a beer at the WhiteHouse and discuss their differences? Now Sandra, that would be a feat, an invite to the Black House. LOL

    :no: surprisingly I think she hates a few people even more than them!

  • OutsidetheBox

    I think Sandra loves Bey AND Obama.

    #mindcontrolchitandstuff :lol:

  • http://youtube.com/hushvisionfilms BK2ATLMAN

    so what has this got to do with Obama? its been going on since 2001? :rofl: I guess everything past and present is Obama fault

  • natrlbeauty08

    So let me get this right...It started back in 2001 but we're only gonna focus on this year and blame Obama... :hater:

  • http://youtube.com/hushvisionfilms BK2ATLMAN

    :rofl: thats how it goes in 2010... and if you dont like what they say then your either a hater or a kool aid drinker... :rofl:

  • http://random-rhiannon.blogspot.com rhiannon

    This will not stop a radical Muslim for attacking us again. In fact I would not be surprised if our money went to waste once it's discovered that we helped to fund said Mosques. Our own churches and temples have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to receive any kind of government assistance. That's if they receive any at all.

  • LuvMySailor

    I don't think Sandra understands that you need Muslim support around the world to stop Al Qaeda from growing.

    If Americans keep burning Korans and their hatred of Muslims in this country you just give people excuses to join Al Qaeda to preserve their way of life.

  • OutsidetheBox

    "I don’t think Sandra understands that you need Muslim support around the world to stop Al Qaeda from growing."

    Not just Sandra though. :no:

    Christians are not filling the ranks of Al Qaeda.

  • http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

    Where the hell is Congress??? Blank stare.

  • kcicero

    So this program started in 2001 under BUSH but you're blaming Obama?

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SANDY, you along with your FOX and Friends cohorts and all the other Islamaphobes are really working everyone into a frenzy. Hopefully, from all of this hatred being put out against Muslims, we'll have a repeat incident like the one in New York last night where a cab driver was asked by a young WHITE SUBURBANITE IF HE WAS MUSLIM and with an answer of yes was rewarded with a slit to the throat :clap:

    Our society is quickly becoming morally and ethically bankrupt :cheers:

  • http://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    rhiannon says:

    Our own churches and temples have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to receive any kind of government assistance. That’s if they receive any at all.
    _____________________

    :cosign:

  • OutsidetheBox

    kcicero That story has me livid.

    Dude survived too!

  • OutsidetheBox

    At one point, Enright said, "Al salaam aalaykum" -- the Arabic greeting meaning, "Peace upon you."

    [Driver Sharif] Ahmed replied, "Wa alaikum salaam" -- meaning, "And on you be peace!"

    As the cab neared east 41st Street, about a block away from Enright's destination at 42nd Street and Third Avenue, he barked, "This is the checkpoint motherf---er. I have to f--- you up this time."

    Sorry Sandra but you need to stop!

  • kcicero

    :nono:

    Not trying to be rude but someone is not being truthful. Here in Philly the Church's and Chinese Stores are competing for corners. There are multiple blocks with three to four church's on them. SO no church's aren't hurting...

    With that being said I struggle to understand why the money is being spent on that, and this is a criticism of Bush, who the heck in his government allocated money to this? :waiting:

  • OutsidetheBox

    And the church has been so helpful to Blacks... :/

  • kcicero

    OutsidetheBox says:

    kcicero That story has me livid.
    Dude survived too!

    ______

    Me too! Do you mind posting a link to that version, I've been trying to find more details and I haven't read that yet....

    I know one thing, I believe in non-violence but I'll be darned if anyone thinks their going to run up on me and mines because I'm Muslimah :shotsfired:

  • OutsidetheBox

    KC google meet the new york cabbie stabber. Its on S a l o n.

  • kcicero

    Thanks hun :)

  • crzasallgetout

    :sad:@ the cab story

  • b-boy817

    rhiannon says:

    Our own churches and temples have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to receive any kind of government assistance. That’s if they receive any at all.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Its too many of your own churches... Really just think about it...Last week I was in the old neighborhood, and i counted 16, yes 16 churches in a one mile radius...and its prolly more. I know yall gonna jump on me, but I wouldnt be so quick to offer government assistance to churches that dont give back to their own community. MOST black churches still preach that JIM CROW Jesus that holds blacks back more that its moving them foward, which is a whole other topic itself. But my main concern is why so many churches so close together. If you about the same thing, why not just one church, instead of 16 little run-down ones all on the same block??? I dont get it

  • MOUTH

    @ B-BOY817

    If you about the same thing, why not just one church, instead of 16 little run-down ones all on the same block???
    _______________________

    Because, all the pastors can't ride in on Benz they all need their own from the money they been hustling out their congregation. While their parishioners are losing their homes, and jobs they still preaching you must pay your tithes, so they can keep up with their bills.

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    I wish I had read this yesterday so I'm late but I'm sorry, the comments went from standing up to Sandra about the right wing nonsensical all Muslim hate to downing churches in the community. @Mouth all churches nor all pastors are guilty of cheating their congregation and filling their own pockets. I get anger at the article or even anger towards corrupt preachers but to accuse most or all is just as wrong as people assuming the wrong thing about Muslims... same thing different cover. There are lots and lots of churches in the black community, true, but you have to account for the different denominations (Baptist, Apostolic, AME, Episcopal, COGIC, Catholic, Pentecostal, etc) and the fact that most ministers aren't willing to serve their entire career under another (nor should they) so they learn and branch out. Yes, many are crooked but more are not and the good shouldn't be ignored because of the bad. And black churches, even the small storefront ones, are valuable in the community. They offer food banks, free meals for kids and poor, clothes drives, safe activities that are positive and off the streets, how many musicians and singers started in black churches? Clothes drives, school supplies, housing assistance, vacation bible schools, child care I could go on but hopefully you can see my point. Often people don't realize the resources their local churches have even the small ones. I was raised in one of those storefront churches in the hood with 50/11 other churches and know what they can provide and do. I don't live in the hood (anymore) but I would take a church over another liquor store, check cashing place or cell phone shop anyday and I think most would agree. To avoid corrupt pastors people should know the bible for themselves and be invovled with the business of their church. Not saying they are right but protect your self and your soul imo. I hate the way Muslims have been villified in this country and speak against it but I can't sit back and watch my own beliefs be stomped on either

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    And I said the above to say just like its wrong and unfair to paint all Muslims as Al Quaida members and terrorists, its unfair and wrong to paint all Christians as hypocritical, hateful idiots and bigots and its unfair to view black churches and ministers as greedy, thieveing (sp? its too early in CA), cadillac driving greasy crooks getting rich off their poor parishioners and that was the tone of the comments as this thread progressed. Fairness, openmindedness and respect go both ways

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    @Mouth upon reading the comments again I realized I should have addressed my comments to bboy as well and also Rhiannon is correct. As different groups are fighting for their rights they are trouncing upon the rights of Christian churches and believers, some without realizing it and others purposelly. Every year churches are fighting harder to receive things such as tax free status and funding and case after case is being brought into court against basic rights such as the freedom to be able to pray in school and at public functions, to wear christian based clothing and things of that nature. Those who are filing those cases say its to preserve and establish the rights of believers of other faiths, atheists and so on but in doing so they are stifling our rights in the process and churches are in fact feeling the heat. There was a christian church in my city a couple years ago that actually temporarily lost its tax exempt status because the minister endorsed a political candidate and the other candidate filed suit saying the church violated seperation of church and state. When Prop 8 was being voted upon, gay rights activists were picketing and holding rallies outside churches which is so disrespectful and hypocritical. How can you demand equal treatment, fairness and the right to live how you see fit while denying another group the same treatment? Real christians believe that God gave everyone freedom of choice so I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone and there is enough room for us all to live and exist peacefully unfortunately as others are fighting for their rights they are intentionally or not removing our rights to believe, practice,worship and exist peacefully also which just is not right. I admit that there is a group of Christians who attack, judge, lie and viciously hurt those who do not live as they think they should but we are not all like that and those of us who aren't shouldn't be treated with the same disdain, hatefulness, disrespect and bias that others are fighting against. This article isn't about gay rights but because that is such a hot topic where I live I'm using it as an example. Right now one of the biggest reasons churches in CA are fighting against the repeal of Prop 8 is because when it is finally overturned for good, churches and ministers are going to be subject to lawsuits for refusing to perform gay marriages or accommodate the ceremonies on church grounds even though they are against our beliefs. How is that right? They fight to have the right to live as they see fit and believe yet they are going to sue, picket and fight another group for holding fast to their own beliefs??? Sorry for the long posts but this really bothers me because my right to worship and believe in the God I know and live according to my beliefs is constantly being attacked, demeaned, treated as a joke and worse by others who are upset about the same thing happening to them :shrugs: There has to be a common ground somewhere and I pray its found sooner than later but seeing churches discussed as if they are no better than liquor stores or chicken shacks really pissed me off in the same way that reading this and other articles posted here pissed you guys off.

  • kcicero

    MS.Everything says:

    And black churches, even the small storefront ones, are valuable in the community. They offer food banks, free meals for kids and poor, clothes drives, safe activities that are positive and off the streets, how many musicians and singers started in black churches? Clothes drives, school supplies, housing assistance, vacation bible schools, child care I could go on but hopefully you can see my point.

    :yes: I grew up in a small church as well we didn't have tithe's just people giving what they can and really being a family unit. Even though I'm muslim now I still take my kids to visit my family at the church of Christ. My Dad heart swells with proud when my husband and I come through the door with all his grandbabies and they don't treat us any different. (Although a few of them say they are praying for us...and of course I know what they're praying for) lol. So I would agree that Church's do a lot for our community as they should, but I just don't like for people to start this how are you doing this when Chruch's XYZ because like I said there are many church's here, one on every corner so please don't act like the majority of Church's are struggling to receive assistance, that is simply not true...

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    @KC I get where you're coming from and you're right that many don't give back but so many more do. Not to mention how many churches give back around the world. Like with Haiti, they're saying the only money/supplies that's actually gotten there most is from church organizations. My grandmother's church has maybe 20 members but feeds almost the entire neighborhood with their weekly food bank plus Sunday dinners which are free. They don't even care that the people eating aren't coming to the church. I understand your point and didn't take issue with your comments, it was others. Imo, you can't have too many churches, mosques, kingdom halls or places like that in the community. Often times, religious organizations are the ones feeding our poor, feeding and housing the homeless, clothing needy children and providing for our communities when no one else will. They are the main ones reaching out to people in need worldwide, building schools, providing clean water and food, sending clothes and supplies and they may get off on taxes but its usually not government assistance but the tithes and offerings from its members. Our people need more positive places to go to and see. How many black kids are in college or have completed college from church scholarships and grants when they couldn't get assistance elsewhere? The comments I was referring to were highly biased and unfair, but I definitely understand your points.

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    Plus most churches don't receive government funding in the form of checks and actual money, they generally receive their standard tax exemption and different cuts/discounts here and there on things such as utilities or possible city funding if its a historical location but they run and are able to give back because of tithes and offerings. Larger churches obviously do better than smaller ones but the tithes and offerings are what pay the clergy and staff salary (many pay to house the pastor and give a salary), expenses of the church, local outreach and then to fund missionary work. There are pastors and churches that improperly misappropriate funds towards themselves and those you can usually tell right off the bat. That I know because my grandmother's church is actually her church (she's the founding pastor) and I was heavily involved in my church and prior to my disability was in charge of the youth ministry's missions work

  • kcicero

    Ms.E I agree. Sometimes I question whether our religious institutions and hell even welfare make our community too dependent on the social services they provide and then I have to remember that some people do use these services to get through rough spots in their life and shouldn't be punished because others abuse it and are lazy. At the end of the day we live in a capitalistic society so there will always be poor people so the religious institutions doing social work is a necessity. You're right you can never have too many places of worship/community centers that's why I also think Park 51 will be a great thing because it's going to provide those services as well as promote interfaith dialogue which I think is greatly needed :)

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    Its really unfair that people abuse the system and make it hard for those who need assistance. My church saved me from getting evicted several years ago so yes we do need those services. I'm going to google Park 51 I haven't heard of that but if it will do what you just described yes its desperately needed especially now with all the people out of work and all the cuts to social services. Here in CA adults on MediCal no longer have dental care and every month it seems like there is another cut being made just to keep from raising taxes smh

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    Actually I take that back, I'm so used to reading just the mosque near ground zero that I didn't realize it was called Park 51. And I'm for building that if for nothing else that no one has the right to say who can build any house of worship anywhere. Everyone who died on 9/11 were not Christian and that wasn't simply a christian tragedy. I don't think the main idiots against it realize that if someone were to tell them that a church could not be built near ground zero or anywhere they would be up in arms and ready for war which is what bothers me about this country. No one takes the time to consider how they would feel if someone were to do to them what they do to others. Its sheer craziness and it seems that once Obama won, all the lunatics lost the final screws holding them together and are running wild and unfortunately no one is stopping them, which I just can't understand.

  • kcicero

    Ms. Everything says:

    "No one takes the time to consider how they would feel if someone were to do to them what they do to others."

    This is so true! I am guilty of it sometimes but I try hard not to be this way and to look at things from this perspective.

    Its sheer craziness and it seems that once Obama won, all the lunatics lost the final screws holding them together and are running wild

    :rofl: at lunatics and screws loose but :cosign: It's a shame really what's being going on. I came across a video and letter called what if the tea party was Black and it really makes you go hmmmmm...

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    I'm not gonna lie I'm guilty of it too but I'm trying to change that as well. If the tea party were black they would be labeled radicals and criminals and would've been beaten and in jail before they finished their first rally. But the US is the land of double standards unfortunately

  • b-boy817

    Yea churches do alot for the community, but IMO, they arent hitting the issues that effect our community. Yea your church may give away a few groceries, help with somebody's rent, or clothes some people. Folks can get that from gov't assistance. Deal with the issues thats haunting our community...example, they say AIDs are killing our people in rapid rates...when was the last time your church addressed that? Have you church ever held an HIV testing for the community? What about education? our youth? Vacation Bible School! Really??? Yea, feeding the people is all good, but if its 16 churches on one block, I would think that the things the churches do would be on a much bigger scale. 16 churches on a block and all yall doing is handing out grocery, and want some gov't assistance?? PLEASE. Mabye if all those 16 churches got together and had one church, they could do things on a larger scale. Which leads me to my question again, why so many churches in one spot? I know that all black pastors arent bad(really I do), but its enough for one to make the assumption, so why get mad when folks do?? And whats the deal with all the different denominations black churches have...is it a different GOD the different denominations serve?? Are they serving in a different way?? All those different denominations just sounds like a way to start a new church if you ask me.... Im not trying to be funny..I really dont know..can someone explain the different denominations.. nobody has ever been able to give me a solid answer to this that sounded resonable...Why so many chruches in one spot??

  • http://random-rhiannon.blogspot.com rhiannon

    Wow!! I'm not sure about your community but where I'm from there are plenty of churches that have after school programs that assist kids with their homework and help them with computer skills. Not to mention I'm not familiar with a single church that does not have a youth department that keeps kids busy by giving them other things to do instead of running the streets and jumping in beds. I have witnessed my Aunt helping people in her church. Which was not something that they could have gotten from Gov't assistance. Just because someone does not receive Gov't assistance does not mean they never fall on hard times and need help every now and then, and most of these people make too much money to receive Gov't assistance but not enough money to pay the bills. There are many things I don't agree with when it comes to Christian churches, but that is no different than a Muslim not standing by the beliefs of a radical Muslim. We all have different sects in our religion that we have to give the side eye to often. But that is the beauty of it all. We have the freedom to do what it is we want.

    It is not just black churches that have different denominations. Every religion has different denominations. Every single religion on this earth was man made to help understand who God is better. Because man has different interpretations of what ever holy book he is reading, their beliefs may slightly differ. Hence the different churches. You will find that most of the time where there is a different denomination there is a different belief.

    Have you had a bad experience with a black church?

  • b-boy817

    Naw, never had a bad experience with a black church. Honestly its all I know. Im just not afraid to question things that aren't clear to me. I kinda get what you are saying with the different denominations. I just never knew why the different ones??? Not speaking about you, but I cant stand when folks think you are against the church if you question there doings. And NO, Im not Muslim lol lol. And your church may have all those things. Good. I just feel like its an oxymoron to have all those churches in one spot and the neighborhood still looks the way it does??? Which leads me to the question again. Why so many churches? What are these churches doing outside of helping the people that attend that church? If im a member of a church and fall on hard times, why shouldnt the church help me out? esp if Ive given my 10% faithfully. Honestly I get what you saying about what churches do. I never agured the people of the church getting govt assistance.. I was talking about what was written in the post:

    "I’m sure there are churches in the black community right here in the United States that need a little fixing up. Good luck getting the funds out of Obama if you’re church isn’t a mosque."

    And my respone to that is why should black churches recv govt assistance, when MOST, again MOST arent doing anything thats going to unltimately help a community in some major way. Again, yea feeding people, and covering a bill for them in a time of need is good, and makes you feel like you've done a good dead. I just feel like if thats all you do, then why do you feel like your church should get govt assistance? I think thats the way the govt looks at it. But thats just me. Its kinda like college sports...the school is not gonna pump money into your organization if you arent winning games.

  • MOUTH

    Ms Everything,

    You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, I live in Philly and have been to a number of churches growing up, granted you are right that one bad preacher should not spoil the bunch however, when you have a bag of bad apples what happens you throw them all away assuming they are all rotten. My point is this, out of maybe 10 churches I have visited one church seem to be on the ball meaning supporting the community reaching out to youth, neighbors within the community, going out feeding the homeless, and paying for repairs in elderly parishioners homes. All this being done with the church tithes, not government funding, so lets be clear the government can stop nothing that you truly want to change with their dollar or the next your gonna make it happen period.

    My aunt came home one day talking bout she was going to find a new church cause after all these years that sister Kathy been going to this church somebody done broke in her house and she needed a window in the back, do you know what the pastor said to the elderly woman we gone pray for you come on everybody pray for sister Kathy. Now I was just as bothered as my aunt, this woman was on a fixed income, and although the prayer is all good and every thing how is Sister Kathy gone stay warm it was smack dead winter. Pastor Cherry didn’t care because he had heat in his Benz, and you know his house was heated. This story is just one of many, and you’re right the same way you don’t want to stereotype Muslims, I don’t want to stereotype these pastors but be careful cause the devil lurks in the church too and money is the root to all evil. Please, like I said before a majority of these pastors are in it for the money IMO. Another, thing what is the building and door fund for at church, couldn’t it by Sister Kathy a window? LOL

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    @bboy a lot of the different christian denominations believe in the same fundamental beliefs but differ in other smaller ways and governed by a different association. Every church has a mission statement and a statement of their beliefs that should be printed on either the programs, hymnals or somewhere in the church. A lot of religions are structured this same way and @Mouth as well the different denominations are a huge reason for why so many churches are located with small radiuses. Another reason is that a busy street will have more buildings/space for churches than a side street per se and churches aren't going to want to build or move to a place with no parking, or beside businesses such as bars and liquor stores and things of that nature if they can avoid it and most are going to setup within neigborhoods within the community. And whether you realize it or not generally if there is a specific problem within the community such as an increase in violence, homelessness, things of that nature the churches will join together. Most ministers are members of interdenominational groups of other ministers. While its unfortunate what happened to the woman at your Aunts church, that problem does not reflect all churches and the church could have a legitimate reason for why they couldn't help her such as lack of funds at that time in the mission fund. The church building and door fund is not to repair church members homes its for the purpose of maintaining repairs to the church's building and doors. The idea that churchs are running off government subsidies is false. Churches are non profit tax exempt operations that run solely off the tithes and offerings received from its members and raised by donations. They may be eligible for utility credits and things of that nature but that's about it. The government does not fund churches because that would interfere with the seperation of church and state so they are not receiving government checks. Churches with low membersip or poorer members who can't give generally are limited in what they can give back monetarily. Preachers/ministers are church employees in the same way as a secretary and receive pay accordingly. Are their those who are crooked of course, however, its not hard to determine if you are knowledgeable about your bible and take the time to be active with your church. Church financial records are open to the public, anyone can inquire and request to view. Most churches have business meetings that generally are empty because most members don't care about getting involved but complain when things don't go as they think they should. Ask questions but don't condemn and already have prejudice against the answer you will receive because that's counter productive. @bboy it may seem small for the church to pay someones rent here and there, provide a meal here or there, or help with a bill but to the person receiving that assistance its priceless. I needed my church to assist with my rent because I was disabled and my checks took too long. I would've been evicted with 3 small kids and a newborn that was more than just a small token. And the state could not and would not assist. Especially now that states and the federal govt is cutting back on social services. If it weren't for the religious organizations in the communities you feel are overrun by churches @Mouth do you have any idea how many more kids would be in gangs? How many people would be on the street? How many more people would be lost? What exactly is the problem with 16 churches on a block? That's 16 storefronts not being turned into liquor stores, bail bond shops, chicken shacks, smoke shops, $5 clothing stores and other things that actually further bring down property values. That's 16 places where someone in need of help be it prayer, tutoring, assistance, guidance or just a positive place to go can find what they need. Not to mention the amount of churches that own housing units. I would take that anyday and most other people I know would also but a church can not solve every social ailment in the community it serves, that's impossible but its definitely doing something. Even the most crooked greedy pastor is serving more of a service than a liquor store so what exactly is the problem? Or have you both been so burned that you will find fault regardless?

  • b-boy817

    What exactly is the problem with 16 churches on a block? That’s 16 storefronts not being turned into liquor stores, bail bond shops, chicken shacks, smoke shops, $5 clothing stores and other things that actually further bring down property values.
    ----the problem is the liquor store, bail bond shops, chicken shacks, smoke shops, $5 clothings stores arent putting on a front like they are helping the community.

    Even the most crooked greedy pastor is serving more of a service than a liquor store so what exactly is the problem?
    ----Im sorry you feel that way. But neither of them is doing a service, but again, the liquor store aint frontin

    Churches with low membersip or poorer members who can’t give generally are limited in what they can give back monetarily.
    ----True. So why still have the church?? Why not join one of the other 15 churches on the block and together you may can do something. Its strength in numbers

    a church can not solve every social ailment in the community it serves, that’s impossible but its definitely doing something.
    ---- That takes me back to the main argument...if is 16 churches in a one mile raduis...they prolly couldnt solve every social ailment in said community, but with 16 they should be able to take a huge bite at it. Providing for a memeber of the church in a time of need thats paying their memebership dues is nothing to brag about. Hell in a way you owe that to those people. I just dont think the prostitue thats walking the neighborhood can just walk into one of those 16 churches and get assistance. They prolly will just tear her apart for what she is, and how will that help??? Lets be fair and say mabye 5 would help her out, remember not a churches are corrupt.

    I needed my church to assist with my rent because I was disabled and my checks took too long. I would’ve been evicted with 3 small kids and a newborn that was more than just a small token. And the state could not and would not assist.
    ----I so can go in on that.... but ill decline

    Or have you both been so burned that you will find fault regardless?
    ----Explained to me what you meant by burned? I have nothing against the church, like I said, I have no problem asking questions when things arent clear to me. I think more of us need to be like that, and stop doing things and using the excuse "THATS ALL I KNOW".

  • MOUTH

    Be clear I never said anything pertaining to multiple churches being a problem, it does not make a difference to me I won’t be visiting any of them anyway. Secondly, you seem very uptight about this whole topic, hit home well sweetie get over it. There are grants available to churches check out this Department of Labor link (http://www.dol.gov/cfbnp/grant.htm) , along with discounts from government funded organizations such as non profit organizations authorized by the Postal Service are eligible for additional savings on standard mail rates etc. Your comment “Even the most crooked greedy pastor is serving more of a service than a liquor store so what exactly is the problem?” sounds just plain ignorant, both a crooked greedy pastor as well as a liquor store are damaging to the community, the pastor is robbing them in the name Lord and the liquor store is poisoning them. I have my opinion and you have yours, I’m done with this topic because were getting nowhere fast end of discussion I’m :kona: