Two independent experts hired by Cuyahoga County prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty have reached the same conclusion in the tragic police shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice.

The experts conclude that the officer who shot and killed the boy in a Cleveland park "acted reasonably" when he opened fire on 2 seconds after getting out of his police cruiser.

The so-called "experts" will present their conclusions to a grand jury to determine whether to press charges against Officer Tim Loehmann.

According to the experts, Loehmann was not aware of Tamir's age nor the fact that he was playing with a toy pistol when Loehmann responded to a call about a man with a gun.

“Even if Officer Loehmann was aware of Rice’s age, it would not have made his use of force unreasonable,” wrote retired FBI special agent Kimberly A. Crawford in her report. “A twelve-year-old with a gun, unquestionably old enough to pull a trigger, poses a threat equal to that of a full-grown adult in a similar situation.”

Thanks to loyal reader Marcella B. for the tip.

More from Sandrarose.com:

  • Video: Cop Shot Tamir Rice Immediately
  • If Your Son Died, Which Picture Would the News Media Use?
  • Cop Arrested After Shooting Driver For Not Wearing His Seat Belt (Video)
  • 19-year-old’s death may be Stand Your Ground Case
    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      SMH .... America smh

    • Just Keya

      Call me when yall get off topic. I can't with his handsome little face. :(

    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      Chile it's getting bad out here for real

    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      That beautiful baby chile ... Jesus ....

    • SpillyNillie

      It's amazing how this child resembles Emmett Till...history repeating itself...*walks off with head down*

    • MyThoughts

      If I'm not mistaken the citizen that called it in told the 911 operator it may be a fake gun but wasn't certain. This pertinent information was not relayed to the responding officer. Not making excuses for the officer, because I do feel he acted prematurely, without properly accessing the situation. I still wonder if he knew this little tidbit of information prior to responding, I wonder if he would've responded differently.....

    • SummerBaby

      So to shoot someone within 2 seconds is responsible

    • Blaque Mahogany

      So to shoot a black man/child within 2 seconds is responsible

      Fixed that for you....

    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      Chile when judgement day come ... chile ... all I know is ... I don't want to be the person he says to .... part from me I never knew ya .... my lord .... IJS ... I got nothing else for this at all

    • harley_quinn2.0

      He sure does look like Emmett. Damn

    • L.T.L. Since 2007

      Two independent experts hired by Cuyahoga County prosecutor Timothy J. McGinty have reached the same conclusion in the tragic police shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice.

      _______________________________
      And I'm sure where the prosecution found these 2, there are 100 more that will say what everybody else (at least the ones I talk to) thinks, this was a trigger happy cop that thought he was auditioning for a revival of Beretta.

    • SpillyNillie

      Yep

    • Readytochokemothernatureonout

      I was in two interviews and didn't see this til now. And I call bullshiggetry. This child didn't know any better nor had the chance to form a thought if he could. I'm ashamed of my city

    • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

      If someone points a gun at me and I also have a gun it's about to be the O.K. Corral out that piece. I don't care how young the little gun slinger is. Ain't nobody got time to figure out fake from real looking down that barrel. Little man made a terrible decision that cost him his life.

    • MookieFly

      This shyt right here don't make any sense. Shot the poor child like he had the whole park on lock down, pistol whipping bishes. Soon it's going to be okay to open fire if you sneeze or cough.

    • Junkanoo

      They seem to find amazing reserve when the suspect is white in most instances.

    • Jen_n_juice

      “A twelve-year-old with a gun, unquestionably old enough to pull a trigger, poses a threat equal to that of a full-grown adult in a similar situation.”
      -----------
      Soooooo "shoot to kill" is the only option that would stop him?

    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      Wish that applied to other races as well smh

    • MissyJ

      Even in the O.K corral you got a warning. Walk 3 paces turn and shoot.....

    • Tammie Reed

      HORRIBLE!

    • Chitsngiggles

      I'm gonna need my blood pressure pills for this one....

    • imright

      ok!!!

    • Chitsngiggles

      Come back! This the stuff we need to discuss girl!

    • jeniefrumdabloc™

      I love me some sister act both movies

    • Blaque Mahogany

      1. You're not a cop.

      2. Playing with a toy gun is a terrible decision?

    • SpillyNillie

      If they only held the same attitude for pinks...

    • Noirluv45

      Yes, in most cases, except this one, that would be fair game, but in THIS case, it is not. The police rolled up on this child and shot him within seconds. What mistake did he make, Bird? Did you even follow the case?

    • Chitsngiggles

      That car hadn't even come to a complete shot before that punk ass prick started shooting that baby.

    • Readytochokemothernatureonout

      All kids don't develop the same either. He really had no clue nor chance.

    • Noirluv45

      Exactly, so I cannot believe someone would state that the child was guilty of something. I've read some comments on here that made me SMH, but this one...

    • Chitsngiggles

      The boy wasn't even pointing the gun though. And how does the cop hop out a moving car and start shooting without even investigating/accessing the scene? He saw a nigga and shot. Period.

    • L.T.L. Since 2007

      I, of course don't know officer Loehmann personally, but I find it so convenient that THIS kid was an imminent threat to him, when I've seen soooo many other arrests of other races caught on tape that ended so much more peacefully. 2 come to mind right off. The one where the white dude was rushing at the cops with a machete and the one where the driver gets out of the car holding an AR. A fukking assault rifle. Yet they both were able to get apprehended with no problem. Both probably out doing ignant shyt again.

    • Readytochokemothernatureonout

      I live here and know his story. He didn't have nor get a chance. He shouldn't be blamed for this.

    • Noirluv45

      I'm sure those two opinions came from police sympathizers, so they don't count. A police officer can do what he/she wants without provocation and it's all good simply because he/she wears a uniform, a badge, and a gun. They are licensed assassins.

    • Chitsngiggles

      I seen a video where it was an entire family fighting the police. They was swinging and connecting too. Not one shot fired. Not one.

    • SpillyNillie

      Police are trained (supposedly) to handle hostile/violent encounters. Had they followed the book and took a moment to assess the situation, I'm sure it would have ended differently.

    • JerseyMom

      I only care about how the evidence is presented to the grand jury and their determination on whether to indict the police officer that executed this baby. This report does not mean ish. Next.

    • MookieFly

      The only time I feel you should shoot first and ask questions later is if you see the shooter actually kill someone

    • Noirluv45

      Recently a White woman attacked a police officer with a machete. She had tons of sharp instruments at her disposal, but she's still alive. The complexion for protection is a thing.

    • L.T.L. Since 2007

      *-*-*

    • http://yeuphonic.com @yeuphonic

      The experts are on retainer from the police union. This officer will get to address the grand jury ( which is selected from regular jurors) to sway them from indicting him and actually pursuing charges. I hate teachers union for the same reason I hate police unions. It enables the worse of the worse to stay employed on the tax payers dime.

    • Chitsngiggles

      Moral of the Story:
      Fuk da Police

    • Just Keya

      New Post

    • Jen_n_juice

      New post

    • SpillyNillie

      That's why I said in a post a while back...it's sad but black people have to change their approach...and Sandra Bland was a great example of this. We're back to "yea sa" "no sa." They're trigger happy and black people are the target. PERIOD

    • Noirluv45

      Got. That. Right. They broke protocol because why would they roll right up on someone when that person is suspected of having a gun? They are to be a distance away, take cover and assess the situation. They had even been told the gun was probably a toy.

    • MookieFly

      Just utter bull****. Cops will let anyone lighter than almond milk spit on them, slap them, even bleed 'em before doing something. Now if it was some black woman with some ghetto name like iono...Raven, her ass woulda got throw into every hard surface imaginable and woulda had some of her tracks ripped out during the scuffle. Probably some bright red Kool aid color too

    • Noirluv45

      Joseph, no one in their right mind would even think of blaming Tamir. My heart breaks for this child and his family. How are the residents there taking this newest development?

    • Noirluv45

      Complexion for the protection.

    • MyThoughts

      Unfortunately officers are trained to eliminate the threat, meaning yes shoot to kill. I say that's unfortunate because officers would handle a mentally ill patient in an aggressive manner if he or she had a weapon. Everyones game, if there's a weapon involved...

    • Readytochokemothernatureonout

      I just got in came here first and saw I haven't even seen the anguish I know they feel.

    • Noirluv45

      SMH. I can't imagine how they feel.

    • Readytochokemothernatureonout

      I can't fathom it either.

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      You mean like Mike Brown's case was presented or....

    • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

      Yes. I saw the video. My memory might be sketchy but I could have sworn the boy was pointing the gun.

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      ?Yeah you probably will.

    • MyThoughts

      I agree, changing the approach is necessary. I say whenever an officer pull you over and you don't feel like you can trust the officer or uncomfortable, simply call the non-emergency number or 911 (if you don't know the area) and request a Sgt. to the scene.

      The reason I say this is because those lines are recorded and if anything happen, it will have your voice on a recorded line requesting another officer for "said" reason.

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      Even his partner looked at him like "what the hayle did you just do?".

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      Well...

    • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

      Yes! One should not possess a fake gun that looks like a real gun. One definitely should not go to the park and point said real looking gun at strangers for fun. I know someone in real life who did hard time in prison for pointing a water gun that looked like a real gun at a convenience store clerk as a drunken prank. The clerk ran for their life because they were scared to death. I don't even know why fake guns that look real are even made and sold.

    • ZRoJoTheLezBeyond

      Shoots, on COPS (one of the first reality TV shows, lol) they used to show ish like that ALL the time. No one was shot either. They may have scuffled with the cops and/or tasered but they weren't killed. Always drunk, high, belligerent yt folks too. They have chances to live and hit the streets to do the same ish over and over again!

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      Johnathan Crawford

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      MmmmmNO!

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      You're right. The car had not completely stopped. He was hopping out on a California stop...still moving.

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      Been bad girl.

    • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

      Ohio is an open carry. You can walk down the street with an assault.

    • MzFutureLCSW

      I am sick to my stomach.

    • ATL White Guy

      Bullsh*t! That's all i gotta say. I remember the first time i saw the video i was like why this officer come flying in gun ablazin like he jr. Rambo livin out his dream.

    • ATL White Guy

      These investigators DAs always use for most part do come from a police background...that's how they got to be investigators. They are retired cops on their 2nd job so they can get another pension. Of course they will side with the cops, cause they probably worked with them or their supervisors or something. It's just like it's hard to get a doctor to testify against another doctor in a malpractice suit. They never want to talk against their own.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      People can say something is fake, but it may still be real. I treat any weapon as real unless I know different for a fact.

    • SameoleJ

      But nobody in the park ran for their life. The person who called it in was actually very calm and stated that it was more than likely a toy gun. There was only one complaint and it was more of him being a nuisance and not a threat. The scenario you listed above resulted in incarceration, not death.

    • SameoleJ

      So a kid being a kid, in broad daylight is reason for killing him. Sad times we are in. He was not a threat.....being a nuisance, yes, but a threat....NO EVEN HARDLY!!

    • SameoleJ

      So do you kill the child, before you know if the weapon is real or not? How do you know for a fact, before or after the shot? I am not being smart, but I have seen this response before and the person couldn't answer these questions.

    • MyThoughts

      I understand what you're saying, however, there's still that "possibility" there. The officers should've approached at a safe distance and accessed the situation.
      There were no citizens in harms way, they pulled up and the officer immediately jumped out of his vehicle and started shooting. The child was not pointing the gun at them when they pulled up, at least from what I viewed it didn't appear like he (the lil guy) was pointing the gun.

    • SameoleJ

      Or if there is a report that they shot up a church and killed 9 people.........

    • Noirluv45

      Very true statements, ATL. Because of what you outlined, they cannot be trusted to be unbiased. Therefore, they need outside people to make such determinations.

    • Noirluv45

      No ma'am. He was playing with the gun, but he definitely wasn't pointing it at anyone, especially the police.

    • SameoleJ

      He was actually walking in the opposite direction, if memory serves me correct.

    • MyThoughts

      The officer should've been at a safe distance and asked the child to put the weapon down and step away from it with his hands raised. If the child did not comply, the officer would have to assume it's real......

    • SameoleJ

      And risk being shot for reaching for my phone aka weapon? Sandra Bland was recording her encounter and was ordered to put her phone done. I had a family member call for the supervisor and the officer she was reporting wrote a false report and had her in jail for a week on 3 felony charges. It took her a year and many days off to get her case dropped.

    • SameoleJ

      But in this case, it was not in his hands, it was on the waistband of his pants and he was shot before he even had time to comply. So is it safe to say that the officer did not properly assess the situation? And now that the child is dead and it was not a real weapon.......what happens next? This is a 12 year old child, who is now gone for being a nuisance in the park.

    • Monday

      I remember a show when I was a kid in the '80's, they use to kill black children and found them in the river around Atlanta. That show was translated in french "Les Enfants d'Atlanta". Maybe it was a warning to what would happen 20 years later.... Real Sad

    • Monday

      Atlanta Child Murders. I was afraid to walk back from school after this

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      It honestly depends, but personally if I feel threatened I'd have to find out after I ensure my safety. I'm not waiting to see if a weapon is real because I could end up on a slab on stead of the other person. A gun in a 12 year olds hands is just as dangerous as if it was in an adults hands.

    • MyThoughts

      My point is they didn't do any of these things.

    • MyThoughts

      Hmmm, I thought someone else was recording her encounter. I didn't know she was recording it as well.

      If you don't feel safe with pulling your phone out ask the officer to radio his road supervisor to the scene. They can not refuse this....

    • scentsychick30

      ?the sad part about this I hear folks justifying this and blaming this baby.

    • 1/8

      "... a pair of outside reports released Saturday concluded that he was “reasonable” in deciding to shoot Tamir, who was carrying a replica gun that looked much like the real thing."

      - The New York Times
      _______________________________
      Rice's family needs to be more concerned with the idiot(s) who gave him the "gun." That person or persons should be charged with murder.

    • http://totallifechanges.com/PurTEA VanillaCaramel2shotsExpresso

      It takes longer than two seconds to say put down your weapon !!! Wouldn't that be reasonable before gunning this young man down?

    • Bonny

      Note to black parents: do not buy your son a toy gun. They are the same as or adjacent to a real gun in these crakkas eyes.#areasontokill #smh #prayingformine.

    • http://totallifechanges.com/PurTEA VanillaCaramel2shotsExpresso

      EXACTLY!!!

    • SameoleJ

      So if you are not 100% certain it is real, do you shoot to kill? Are you determining the outcome and chancing a child's life based on an assumption?

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      I agree with approaching from a safe distance. I don't understand why the driver of the unit pulled up that close. The officer in the passenger seat probably reacted out of fear, but that could've been avoided by not approaching the situation all cowboy style.

    • SameoleJ

      I believe another child gave it to him, after they removed the orange tip. Something stupid a child would do. I can excuse children's behavior, but the officer who is an adult and supposedly trained gets no pass for his reactionary behavior.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. I'm not shooting to kill anybody, I'm shooting to stop the threat. Your placing emphasis on a child but once your armed with what appears to be a weapon, I don't give a shit if your 8 or 85. I'm making it my business to give myself the best odds at going home to my family. Would I want to intentionally hurt somebody, hell no. Would I hurt somebody if I fear for my safety, hell yes.

    • SameoleJ

      "I'm not shooting to kill anybody, I'm shooting to stop the threat." This makes a huge difference. And the emphasis on a child is because, it was reported by the person calling 911 that it was a child and it was believed to be a toy gun, which should have made a difference to how the situation was approached. You would hurt someone who threatened your safety, not right out kill them.......again, this speaks volumes to how this was handled inappropriately.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      Question, if the officer approached the situation thinking the gun was a toy and he end up being shot by the "toy," who's fault is that? His ass for playing around because 911 said it might be a toy. However, I really don't believe he tried to kill the young man. I believe that his partner drove way to close and that proximity caused him to react quicker. His partner should never have drove that close and put his partner in harms way.

    • EasyBreezy

      Wow.....you are correct.....the resemblance is real. Thanks for sharing that.....DEEP!

    • Sleepy One

      Have you seen the video of this child's death? It was irresponsible of that officer to respond the way that he did.

    • Sleepy One

      No he wasn't, when they rolled up on him it caught him by surprise. The officer got out of the car, gun pointed and started shooting.

    • Sleepy One

      Even a gunman that has a hostage get more time to react then this child did. That's sad!

    • Doink_Ahanahue

      He is a beautiful child and sadly, due to a lack of parental training, he is gone. If you've looked at the toys that are out now, you can only tell the difference between the real and the fake when you look very closely or touch it.

      If you remember Police were called by others in the park that thought he had a real gun that he was pointing at people. Also, when the Police arrived he pointed (allegedly) it at them too. Had his parents trained him not to point it at people or maybe not have bought that toy, he might still be here.

      I'm not taking sides, as a life lost is a terrible thing, especially a child, but this really IS a true statement: “A twelve-year-old with a gun, unquestionably old enough to pull a trigger, poses a threat equal to that of a full-grown adult in a similar situation.” Cops fear for their lives and want to make it home at the end of the day too.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Let the church say--AMEN!!

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Tamir was swatted just like James Crawford.

      You can see the cracker get up from the bench and leave immediately after he finished the 911 call.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      If they thought the gun were real then they really put themselves in danger by driving up to someone that close not giving themselves any time to assess the situation.

      This is just like the Trayvon Martin case. George Zimmemran created the situation. He stalked Trayvon provoked him then murdered him but since he is the only one alive only George gets to tell his side of the story.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      VI_SO: However, I really don't believe he tried to kill the young man.

      But the cop who murdered Tamir Tim Loehmann had been fired from his previous job for incompetence and the fool actually had an emotional breakdown (cried like a baby) on the gun range because his gf broke up with him.

      You should google the letter that his boss from the Independence police department wrote. It was devastating.

      But Loehmann wanted to be a cop like his dad knowing he was not fit and now Tamir had to die for his ambition.

      His father helped him get the job. Even the Cleveland PD admitted right after the shooting that they didn't do a background check on Loehmann.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      I won't go as far as comparing it to Trayvon cause old Georgie boy was definitely on the hunt. I do agree that they sure did aid in the problem because they didn't give themselves room to work. Whoever the driver was needs to be slapped. If i was in the passenger seat I would've been cursing his ass out till now.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      With all that being said it still doesn't prove intent. His emotial issues we all have some form of them, but that doesn't necessarily make you incompetent. The totality of the situation was just horrible. Someone with a weapon and his partner driving so damn close created a volatile situation.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      The driver has been involved in a police brutality incident earlier last year.

      Again he should have been on desk duty while the investigation was being complete.

      How could you say that they weren't on the hunt?

      You can't believe that these fools hadn't talked about how they were going to go cowboy before they got there?

      All they needed to hear were three words--black.male.gun.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      You're a liar.

      Only one person called 911 and he didn't point the gun at anybody because he didn't have time.

      Maybe you should blame the cop who shot him because he had been fired from his previous job because he was an emotional mess and was incompetent., but he kept pursuing a career in law enforcement because his father had been a cop.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Maybe we should be more concerned about people like Tim Loehmann and his father.

      Loehmann had to resign his former job or be fired because he was incompetent and an emotional mess.

      His father who had been an NYPD cop helped him get the job at the Cleveland PD because Tim 'wanted more action'.

      Now a kid is dead because this nutty fool decided to continue to pursuit a career with which he wasn't compatible, but it's easy to racist punks like you to blame a poor black family.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      The Atlanta child murders were over THIRTY years ago. LOL

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      The prosecutor released these two 'independent' reports to the public to further bias the grand jury toward the police officers even if he doesn't present them to the grand jury.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      VI_SO: I treat any weapon as real unless I know different for a fact.

      And that makes the fact that they drove up so close to someone they thought was an armed adult even more stupid.

      Just face the fact any way you try to excuse what they did keeps pointing back at the cops' incompetence.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      Maybe, but I still don't believe they intentionally murdered him.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      VI_SO: His emotial issues we all have some form of them, but that doesn't necessarily make you incompetent.

      LOL.

      He was fired for incompetence on top of his emotional issues.

      But keep making excuses for someone who knew he wasn't qualified to be a cop but continued anyway to satisfy his own ego and now a kid is dead thanks to him.

      A Nov. 29, 2012 letter contained in Tim Loehmann's personnel file from the Independence Police Department says that during firearms qualification training he was "distracted" and "weepy."

      "He could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal," according to the letter written by Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence police.

      "I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct the deficiencies," Polak said.

      The letter recommended that the department part ways with Loehmann, who went on to become a police officer with the Cleveland Division of Police.

      http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_officer_who_s.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      You don't believe they did anything wrong.
      That's what's so scary.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Go back and watch the video AGAIN.

      Tamir didn't have time to point anything at anyone.

      The gun was still in his waistband after he was gunned down.

      The police lied at least five times on the police report.
      Does that bother you?

      In one of the previous reports there were three earwitnesses.

      Two said they heard nothing. The third stated that she heard the officer say something--after the second shot.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      So what? Do you think everybody stays in a particular state forever? Maybe he had an issue around that time, who are you or I to judge? Is the chief a medical professional that can truly give an expert opinion regarding someone's mental state? Bring me something that said he was not of sound mind on the day of the incident and maybe then I'll see things differently. Until then, nope, I still don't believe he intentionally murdered that young man.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      If that's what you understood, ok.

    • Doink_Ahanahue

      First off, I'll ask that you show some respect, even "behind the monitor". As I stated, a life lost (especially a child's) is a terrible thing. But as I have and still teach my children (now 20 and 16), if YOU KNOW the Law or Authority figures are doing wrong, you have to take extra steps, especially as children of color, to avoid any perceived just cause. Should the officer have shot immediately, looking at the video and with the info I have: NO.

      But as this blog stated, the "may be a toy" was not related to the officer.

      And you are right, Tamir didn't POINT the gun at the officer, but here is a quote of what he did: "The video showed Tamir reaching into his pocket or waist band as the police cruiser pulled up. It isn’t clear if Tamir was raising his jacket to show the officers that the gun was fake."

      The point: WE have to take responsibility for OUR OWN LIVES. The Black Lives Matter movement is a good thing, but do we still just sit and point every time someone loses their life in this way? I WILL NOT!

      Parents, teach your children how to proactively deal with these situations. For example: You get pulled over, hands on the wheel and be respectful regardless of the cops attitude.

      You can't control another person's actions, but I can control mine and at least teach my children to control theirs.

    • Monday

      And now it's young black boys and men... it's not over

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Loehmann and his parents knew he was incompetent, but I am sure you will make an excuse.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      It's just the same thing on a wider scale but maybe not because we have only recently had cell phone recording these incidents.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      Maybe but I really don't care what his parents think either.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      Who wrote the quote?
      Even if Tamir did 'reach into his waistband' Loehmann didn't have time to see it or react to it so it's a moot point.
      The fact is Loehmann was incompetent and he still live at home with his mommy and daddy.
      So when are Loehmann's parents going to teach him to accept the fact that he isn't cut out to be a police officer?
      Loehmann's father should have taken him aside after Tim was fired from the Independence police department and told that he would never be competent enough to be a police officer?
      Instead Loehmann's father helped Tim get a job with the Cleveland police department. The Cleveland PD admitted that they never performed a background check on Loehmann.
      Tamir was a 12 y/o kid who was swatted by a racist white man and shot by a man who should have given up his ambition to follow in his father's footsteps.
      If you want to compare a 12 y/o to your 16 and 20 y/o be my guest if it makes you feel better.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      So nothing will convince you that the cops did anything wrong,huh?
      You don't think the video of the cop driving up within feet of Tamir and Loehmann firing the gun even before the police car stops proves that there was something wrong with him?
      You know and I know that Loehmann's union has told him to keep quiet since the shooting. Hell neither officer was interviewed for either of these 'reports'.
      Dude after the shooting Loemann's parents were claiming that he wasn't of sound mind--their attempt to help him get off if had faced any charges.
      If Loehmann confessed to being crazy you still wouldn't believe him, but you're making all sorts of assumptions about Tamir and his family.
      You're obviously a cop or cop-lover or an ex-cop.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      His father helped him get the job at the Cleveland PD after he washed out at the Independence PD and he knew about his son's emotional issues.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      I never said that Loehmann intentionally murdered Tamir but Loehmann knew his skills as a police officer were limited to say the least.

      Is asking someone to self-analyze too much to ask?

      Everyone is blaming Tamir's mom and Tamir, but no one is blaming the adult who decided to take the responsibility of being a cop knowing that he had issues.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      All the dispatcher heard was..black.male.gun and that's all she repeated.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      She didn't buy him a gun.
      Tamir traded his cell phone with another kid for the phone.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      'Cops fear for their lives and want to make it home at the end of the day too.'

      So they drive up within a few feet of someone who has a gun they don't know if is real or not and give the suspect a perfect shot?

      You can try but there's no way you try to get out of this illogic pretzel.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      Maybe I'm one of the above or none. What's your point? Your entitled to your own opinion and so am I. I feel there was no intent to kill and that's just what it is.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      There's a charge called involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment.
      It's funny that you are playing coy but whatever you are please don't have children because you lack empathy.
      Have a nice life and let's hope the karma that you've sent into the universe doesn't come back and bite you in the a$$.
      Good night.

    • VI_SoldierOfficer

      Karma? ?? You're hilarious. ?????? Goodnight.

    • Doink_Ahanahue

      The quote was pulled from the Post here on SandraRose.

      It's funny that a person skims what someone posts as their thoughts and runs with an opinion.

      My whole point as I have stated is that regardless of fault in this case we can take responsibility for our and our children's instruction and actions ABOVE AND BEYOND what anyone else does. I didn't COMPARE my children to this young man, but I also didn't start guiding and teaching them how to avoid/deal with situations like this when they were older. It started at a very young age, INCLUDING me limiting certain things they may want for their own good.

      Loehmann's incompetence is undeniable. But there are THOUSANDS of incompetent, bi-polar, mentally unstable, etc. people in positions that have serious impact on others that have not had background checks. It's a fact. So in addition to bringing the fact to light, proactive education is so important and can save just as many lives in addition.

      Buying your child a toy gun that looks real in this day and age of cops looking for reasons to and shooting 1st is a bad and irresponsible idea. in addition, Tamir and his parents are bot responsible for this idiot's actions, but we can learn from the situation. Sometimes we save ourselves and our children by not indulging every desire just because we can. I've never done it for that reason. That is an example of how we can help ourselves. My heart goes out to his parents/family for this terrible loss.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      You're completely ignorant of the basic facts, and please don't depend on Sandra to give you any because she either wrong intentionally to sensationalize a story or she's just wrong.
      Tamir traded his cell phone for the toy gun the day he was shot.

      His mother never knew he had the gun.
      So I guess the next time someone slams into you it's your fault.
      You're so full of sh!t that your eyes are brown.
      Ignorant idiot.

    • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

      You're completely ignorant of the basic facts, and please don't depend on Sandra to give you any because she either wrong intentionally to sensationalize a story or she's just wrong.
      Tamir traded his cell phone for the toy gun the day he was shot.

      His mother never knew he had the gun.
      So I guess the next time someone slams into you it's your fault.
      You're so full of sh!t that your eyes are brown.
      Ignorant idiot.

    • Guess Who

      WTF?
      I hope he (THE COP) burns in hell. RIP, cutie pie!