Bill Bratton

New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton is on the hot seat for calling rappers thugs after a rapper shot up a T.I. concert, killing 1 man and wounding 2 others on Wednesday.

Rapper Troy Ave, of Brownsville, was arrested early Thursday at NYU Hospital, where he was being treated for a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his leg.

Troy Ave was set to perform at Irving Plaza in Union Square, along with headliner T.I. and rappers Maino and Uncle Murda. Police say the rapper was gunning for someone in Maino's crew when he fired the fatal shots.

The 30-year-old rapper, whose real name is Roland Collins, was charged with attempted murder and weapon possession. His charges will be upgraded to murder if ballistic tests prove he fired the shot that killed his close friend Ronald McPhatter, 33.

In a radio interview on Thursday, Bratton said rappers in general were thugs disguised as artists.

“The background of a lot of these young people, they are significant artists in that world ... but unfortunately the lifestyles that they lived ... oftentime follows them into the entertainment world and the success they have in it,” Bratton said on “The Len Berman and Todd Schnitt Show” on 710 WOR radio.

“The music celebrates violence, celebrates the degradation of women, it celebrates the drug culture,” Bratton added.

But rap legend Darryl (DMC) McDaniels of Run DMC said Bratton misspoke when he categorized all rappers as thugs.

“He should have known better,” McDaniels told the NY Daily News.

“He should have kept it specific to what happened. All rappers ain’t gangsters. I went to St. John’s University, so I took it personally.”

McDaniels blamed cable TV networks for only showing the seedy side of hip hop.

“When you turn on Hot97 or MTV,” he said, “you only see the dark, stupid ignorant side of us.”

  • Mystery User

    Thug is the new 'N-word'.
    Some black people act like thugs. SOME rappers act like thugs
    White people should not call ANY black people thugs.

  • Let Your Soul Glow

    "I went to St. John’s University, so I took it personally.”
    ---------------
    And you should have! The Roses were schooling us yesterday on all these educated rappers. And even those who are not, it does not make them thugs. Do better, Bratton.

  • Miany

    Fugg u Bratton..this is what's wrong with the bastardation of hip hop music...it allows all the Lil pundits and politicians to sit high and talk low...if you as a PoLIEtician care so much...how bout yo Fugg azz go do something about real women who are being degraded and real people who are victims of violence? "That world" Please krakkka azz krakkka...

  • iWasteTime

    Get his ass together!
    Blanket statements in this day and age ... smh.

  • Mystery User

    WE should really demand better images of ourselves on TV AT ALL TIMES.
    Remember how we had advertising modified when the Sorority show was on? And how some girls got kicked out and the show didn't re-air or even post On Demand?
    Yeah, all the time - we should do that.

  • Jean Paul Le’vonne

    troublemakers with guns are thugs!

  • Rio

    Tupac told us that we are thugs and N**** to the white world regardless if we doctors, lawyers, judges etc.....I hope no one thought this changed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2v4rWyCEeE

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    blah. some are and some are not. some thugs wear jeans, some wear suits. some rap and some step on wall street. some are rich and some are poor. some live in the ghetto and some live in the suburbs (or in the backwoods of timbuckhell, usa). some are christian and some are atheist. some are muslim and some are baptist. some are cute and some are ugly. some are girls and some are boys. on and on and on and on and on.

  • nucynu25

    I told y'all yesterday that he wanted to say niggers so bad... He proberally was shouting out niggers in his sleep last night ...when blk ppl shoot ppl they're thugs ..why troy punk ass can't be mentally ill like the sprites who shoot up movie theaters or churches ...??

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    The realist nig

  • 88

    That would mean a vast majority of cops, army and military officers should be appropriately labeled as thugs.

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    The biggest thugs are his employees.

  • Jean Paul Le’vonne

    I agree:)

  • sunni_daze

    So exactly what is the NYPD if rappers are thugs? Savages, they are murdering savages.

  • product of 79

    ? he ain't never told No lies..R.I.HSHAKURS

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Trouble makers with pens are...what? I have never heard of a thug being on Wall Street, in Congress, the military, the banking industry, the police department, the MAC counter, the oil industry...just never.

  • Smartypants

    Just a read a story on gentrification and I'm wondering how much of the pushback is practical. Like yes there's history and people that are literally being uprooted in these urban places. But, like, are the buildings up to code? So much of what we hate about the urban landscape is due to crumbling buildings which are hazardous and plain not safe. So we should hold on to crumbling buildings cuz of "history." What say y'all?

    Sorry I'm at work with nothing to do and didn't want to tweet my thoughts. Lol

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    But rap legend Darryl (DMC) McDaniels of Run DMC said Bratton misspoke when he categorized all rappers as thugs.

    “He should have known better,” McDaniels told the NY Daily News.

    “He should have kept it specific to what happened. All rappers ain’t
    gangsters. I went to St. John’s University, so I took it personally.”

    McDaniels blamed cable TV networks for only showing the seedy side of hip hop.

    “When you turn on Hot97 or MTV,” he said, “you only see the dark, stupid ignorant side of us.”

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Show the entire hell up founding father of hip hop. This is EXACTLY why the entire hell I went in on the poster yesterday. Over this same ignant ass shit.

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    All rappers are not thugs, just like all are not rappers eivah....

  • Smartypants

    But... Did he lie? Separate how you feel from what is logical and has evidence.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    Don't save em'

  • 88

    Right we have them on camera murdering Eric Garner and countless others.

  • Finding Forever…

    You gave hella of a lecture...was just glad to see it back & watch it unfold, LOL. Was a cop instead of the Puppet Mistress...READ ALLLLL kinds of right ;)

  • felinelurker

    But maybe if they can make the housing affordable to the previous residents bc they want to remain in the area? ion know, just throwing ideas out there

  • side_i

    Troy Ave is a thug though...and we should all know that when one black person does something for whatever reason it reflects on all of us. Same w/ the middle easterners they getting it too.

  • Mystery User

    Troy Ave is a thug...

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Just said this. Bank manager helps herself to 5 MIL. 5! The way she did it and the length of time would have anyone else escorted out with the 1st transaction. Thug.

    I am too mad! Got me over here banging on keyboards and I cracked my gel nail. I got those bulky things fixed, but still. ?

  • sunni_daze

    Daily

  • MissHarlem

    He did lie because ALL rappers aren't thugs. Talib, Common, David banner etc. That's akin to saying all black people are lazy etc. Stereotyping in that position of his is ridiculous.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Right?! Shoot. Why ask why? I'm sick of this mess.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    And we get it from them enough. We dont need this shit from our own.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    They dont want to be saved.

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    Yesterday was one of our own people too.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    I defended and gave knowledge on rap yesterday. I'm TIED. Look up Boy George criminal record. Look up Chuck Berry. Look up Phil Spector. Look up Jim Gordon. All WHITE.

  • 88

    Racism White Supremacy.

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    go on...........im listening. lol

  • MissHarlem

    My neighborhood in Harlem wasn't rotting. Strivers row for crying out loud. Got uprooted due to the opportunity that was seen. Was told by a few that they want us out to gain money and value. Not always the case but I see what you're saying.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    Which was sad. So sad.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Yes, he did, and grossly, might I add.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    I just said that too. Which is why it really pissed me off.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    This is yesterday's knowledge. I don't know why they can't receive it.

  • MissHarlem

    Facepalm times a 100 smfh

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    Yes. Separate you believing the white man's lie from what is logical and has evidence.

  • Traci404

    But he killed one and shot 3 people. Where is the OUTRAGE?
    We have become too complacent and accepting if a Black Man is murdered by another Black Man.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    He proberally was shouting out niggers in his sleep last night
    ********
    DeadT ?

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    Listen. The white millennials are buying up these buildings, adding some SS appliances, flip it when they have children and leave the poor people with no where to stay.

  • MissHarlem

    This time you sir are CORRECT ?

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    If I don't pray this prayer over the children.

    I pray you are open and available to receive the teaching before you. Amen.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    "I'm D.M.C. in da place to be......I go to St. John's University....And since kindergarten I acquired the knowledge....And after 12th grade I went straight to college"

    One of the most important songs in hip hop. The fukk is wrong with folks. Separate THAT. From what you possibly feel.

    http://www.retroist.com/2014/02/04/retro-rap-run-dmc-sucker-mcs/

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6296910/how-run-dmc-changed-rap-game-in-1984

    Im going to pure go eat me some red meat at lunch. The level of ignorance has given me the damn SADS.

  • Traci404

    All Rappers arent Thugs, but there are more folks Rapping about Killing people than those that are telling people to "keep hope alive".

    Sick of hearing music where every other word in N*gga

  • PettyEyezPrime

    You can't group ALL rappers together. That's just dumb. This is what's wrong in the world. False knowledge being told as fact.

  • mainey

    Shame.On.You. Thug defines criminals. Not black people.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    Imma upvote you and not eat bacon bc for once I agree.

  • MissHarlem

    It depends on what you're listening too as well

  • MissHarlem

    Come through

  • nucynu25

    For them its the same?

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    No one is making you listen.

  • MissHarlem

    Some people so busy being a house ngga that they can't see when WE are being attacked. ? here ? wake up

  • Finding Forever…

    (Seeing THIS & off topic) WHY thee other day my sister & I are talking (about being shady & sneaky), so I kick "fool me one time shame you...fu#k the peace signs...)my Mom @ 56 kick...don't save her AND she's shalloooow. YOU TALKING BOUT HEAD TURN, WE ALLLL BUST OUT LAUGHING. I told her a$$, LET ME FIND OUT?

  • MisTaken

    You did it for me so i wouldn't have to. You my comment Jesus on this. Died for my comment sins..Cause BAYBEE...

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    It's some posters here that truly hate their own people. I'm so sad. Probably same folks that believe Trayvon should of told Chaz where he was going.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    This crap pure was reported on GMA this morning

  • MissHarlem

    ? hey hun. People just....sigh

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    yes, i mostly hear about making money to buy big things (to be fair that they probably can't afford...lol) if you buy an album instead of listening to mainstream media/radio, you hear more of REAL rap and not just the garbage.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    I understand what you are saying. That is what the media is pushing. It's the same with all music, particularly R and B. The talent is out there, it's what you choose to put in your earplugs. There are a LOT of concious rappers out here to challenge anyone's conscience.

  • Traci404

    There are a lot of Rappers who are THUGS, not all .
    But what do we see, monthly
    Arrested for Gun Possession by a felon
    Arrested for Drug possession
    Arrested for Felony possession of fire arms
    Conspiracy to commit ________(fill in the blank)

    Going to prison now gives them street cred, heck, the record companies are using "beef" and being shot as a marketing tool. #ridiculous

  • yallcrazy

    OK so what does SOME Rock music do? It be laced with drugs and sex. It can even get santanic. And yes you have SOME white youth who idolize that stuff and do violence. So sick of them turning a blind eye to the sht that they people do. All the time all eyes on us.

  • MissHarlem

    I don't listen to what's hot. Only ones that's hot that I listen to is J Cole and Kendrick. Same with R&B it's a lot of good artist out there. It's up to you as the fan to look for it. I don't know the latest dumb music but I can tell you the latest J Cole, ledisi, Anthony Hamilton etc

  • Milani

    Sadly, this is partially true, and according to a website that I frequent called "military corruption", the people, regardless of their race, gender, etc, that commit crimes are labeled as thugs. Crime is everywhere.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    I just said this. ?

  • MissHarlem

    Just stated that below. Basically you as the consumer hold the power so consume substance.

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    and does this mf-er listen to rock music... or heavy metal???

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    all hell, you said it all before i hit the post button. the end.

  • MissHarlem

    Sure was. I was super annoyed.

  • MisTaken

    SO *places hand under my chin to indicate I am thinking hard* Folks are saying Troy Ave is a thug, where is the outrage that he killed someone .. and folks are wrong for commenting on the blanket statement of ALL RAPPERS being thugs....and ignore that by default the term THUGS is being deflected onto the black PEOPLE. Hmmmm let me think about that. I'm done. COLE YOU STUPID. I can do multiple things at once. Note and condemn the deviant behavior of said individual and at the same time check someone for attempting to make me animalistic for simply being the same hue as someone who committed a crime. I don't see white folks calling the white boy that shot up the church a thug. And he killed people PRAYING for him.I don't see folks calling for all of Charlie Sheen's syndicated shows to be pulled because of his behaviors. And yes many women have come forward and some sued...some he settled with. So let's be clear ..wrong is wrong. And things should be addressed. But don't give the same folks that want to oppress you the ammunition to do so.

  • Traci404

    What other genre of music is calling women bitches and hoes on records?

  • side_i

    I'm not accepting or complacent, I'm just agreeing that he is a thug, along w/ Bobby Schmurda, Maino, Jim Jones, Camron & etc. I would never go to a concert to see any of them even if it's free cause thug rappers have thug fans & thug friends.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    Girl all of this. Wish I could up vote you 500 times. I went thee fukk awf yesterday about I listen to jazz and it made me smarter.

    What? How Sway?

    Oppression, self education etc, are a state of mind. Not a musical damn genre.

  • Milani

    So let's be clear ..wrong is wrong. And things should be addressed. But don't give the same folks that want to oppress you the ammunition to do so.
    ===========================================
    Thank you!!

  • Low E. TUH!

    WRONG IS MF WRONG...END. OF. DISCUSSION.

  • RespectSelf

    But don't a lot of rapper want to be called that anyway? Ain't they about that life.

  • https://www.etsy.com/shop/AMarieNaturals Lovezoe

    New post ?

  • MissHarlem

    Oh and for education's sake a Kenny Chesney concert always have fights and stabbing. Cops detailing the Summer Jam concerts would take a billion of our concerts than Kennys. Oh and those death metal concerts that always have stabbings yea. Stop believing everything reported by media about us you fcking sheep.

  • yallcrazy

    I'm sorry! Ctfu! Great minds think alike then

  • Traci404

    your sick of it. I am sick of these fools calling them selves "Rappers"
    Who have no talent, but a rap sheet longer than a the production notes on in a album sleeve.

    I am sick of the people who launder their drug money through a "record label" , pushing the "gangsta life"

    And more than anything else. I am sick of folks being mad cause a white man calls Rappers thugs,
    BUt are not OUTRAGED that this FOOL, killed a BlackMan and shot 3 other people.

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real

    uuummmm, if you have EVER listened to some rock and heavy metal songs, they are saying ALOT WORSE. Radio and mainstream media like to pay and play the thug rap songs. I don't see a satellite radio station for heavy metal because they want to keep that underground so THEY don't look bad. however, it exists, their kids listen to it and THEY do just as much damage in society as any other race. the spotlight is just always on US. i'm no 88 everything is racial but, daddy didn't raise a blind dummy.

  • Finding Forever…

    Bratton just came down HARD on Mosby (state's attorney on charges in Freddie Gray case)...PISSED FOLKS OFF. One we can see that she's a rookie (BEING BLACK & FEMALE JUST DON'T SIT WELL WITH SOME FOLKS--AND YES I VOTED FOR HER) & thus could have very well overcharged in some cases, but am I not mistaken that the MAIN cop in the death of Eric Garner WAS NEVER indicted & placed on desk duty? MUTHAFIN DESK DUTY. NO ONE HAS BEEN CRIMINALLY CHARGED WHO ACTUALLY TOUCHED HIM? Sgt. Adonis has, WHO by the way is BLACK. Never touched Eric Garner but left her post (after hearing on the radio) & went on the scene (later charged with failure to supervise); but dude out here putting men in headlocks, nelson holds, cutting off air supply...thinking he's the next coming of Jon Jones on some MMA ISH gets NADA? GET THEE ENTIRE FU#K OUTTA HERE! YOU GUYS STICK TOGETHER--GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT...SO MCDANIELS & ANY OTHER "NON THUG" AS EVERY RIGHT TO CLAPBACK. #CleanYourOwnHouseBeforeWorryingBoutTheNextMan

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    There are other genres of music that have misogynistic views. There are others that have racist views and worship the occult. There are others that speak on drinking and busting up a dude with a hammer and sleeping with dogs. What's your point?

  • Smartypants

    Read that GQ article on Bobby Shmurda then get back to me. Read it yesterday and it changed my whole outlook on rappers and their lives on and off stage. Tuh.

  • MisTaken

    I tried so hard to refresh 3 times and do not press send but my spirit would not let me. It might not matter or make a difference but I had to say it. Listening to Jazz made me smarter ..

  • MisTaken

    Come through with the facts..

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    @Cricket404?

  • ReadingIsFundamental4Real
  • MisTaken

    Lemme go ask JCole, Kendrick Lamar, Drake..... A few of the premier rappers right now... See what they say and get back to you. Ain't nobody worried about little Ray Ray from 3rd ward calling himself a rapper trying to make it big....he's hideous. Along with Troy Ave

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Chaz Zim...you know what?

  • yallcrazy

    Girl listen. No doubt I agree with you. That right there is an issue within itself with black men killing each other...rapper or not. And heck yeah im mad too...I got nieces and nephews that want to go out and have a good time. But right now I'm talking about the topic Sandra put up and its about the white man shtting on the entire black race. And its not flying with me. He not gone sit up here and defame every rapper. Its not right. They don't do all that after those school shootings...and those lil white boys sho be listening to some crazy satanic mess

  • MissHarlem

    ? girl

  • Traci404

    I can list 200 songs that are calling women Bitches and Hoes.
    By UNTALENTED LYRICALLY CHALLENGED so called "Rappers"
    I can do it without even trying hard.
    Cause it's almost every d*mn song these idiots put out these days.
    With exception of very few.

    Name the rock and roll, classical, opera, and blues
    Songs that have all the characteristics you are speaking of.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    ~Throws my jowl bacon in the trash~

    Tuh! (Thanks @Low ??)

  • Smartypants

    Read that GQ article on Bobby Shmurda.

  • MisTaken

    Makes no sense. So just because someone black did something wrong I am supposed to march with KKK and say burn all you N words cause you can't get right? NO. I say a man committed a heinous crime. A man. He should be punished. A WHITE MAN came up in a theater shooting up stuff. More than one. Shall we call all emo white kids psychopaths? I'm game if you are.

  • MisTaken

    Lemme go walk. Y'all enjoy your weekend. 2 days in a row of straight foolishness. BBOBlog

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    ??? Chuck Berry is WHITE?! Aww lawd. I've been hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray.

    ~falls to my knees~

    WHYYYYYYYYYY?

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    That's HIM. Would you want someone to lump you in a group? Honestly.

  • Cricket404

    A person can say a whole lot of true facts and one things throws it off into another conversation. Let's try to stick to the fact that black men are killing each other more than disease, drugs and the police.

  • Sircaput

    I do not see anything wrong with what he said, most rappers today are "Thugs" that carry their lifestyle into entertainment rather than walking away and leaving the thuggery behind..but yet we get mad when the white man call us out on it and chop it down as a race issue. We as a culture and a race of people are so sensitive as will not be able to get anywhere as a people because of our generational curse and the way we treat each other. We criticize the ones that do not have we take from and talk about the ones that do. We mad at the white man because of slavery though it was our own people that sold us, blame the white man because we jobless, we need to start taking responsibility for ourselves and stay out of everyone else's business. If we concentrate on ourselves we could advance further in life. Stop saggiN and you won't be treated like Niggas!

  • LibraGirlonly

    They are blind to the sheit they do and by the way you white supremacist set the stage for this thug behavior and most of your cops are thugs. The media only show us in a negative way meanwhile their young white kids get away with murder. FOH Bratton I see you with your hood off.

  • Branch Davidian

    He should get heat for calling rappers "Thugs"...he should be calling them "fake ass toy thugs"!!!

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    You're kidding, right? Do you even LISTEN to other genres of music besides your gansta rap? Why are you saturating yourself in something you loathe? If it's for awareness then surely, you are aware of the others.

    Traci, step out of the box. There is another whole big world out there to hear and see.

  • Traci404

    My issue is, just what you just did.
    NO OUTRAGE Over what we do. But out rage cause this old whiteman called Rappers Thugs.
    Not all of them are, but 90% of them are.

    GucciMane got out of prison ystrdy, folks dont even know the crazy ass ish he was doing to get arrested. But it was some Thuggery and Baffoonery in Atlanta.
    C-Murder is in prison for what? Murder.
    Criminal activity goes hand in hand with this "Thug Lifestyle".
    Used to be "hands off" by the record labels for artist who had a sketchy past.
    But not today, the labels create the drama and want the artist to be "gangsta" and "hard"
    It helps sell records.
    Who is the largest consumer of Rap Records? - Whiite Kids.

  • Cinnamon Brown

    Bratton is a true idiot... his history here in NYC is a mess.. I wish he would just go already.... This is why police and community relations here in NYC is a mess... They dont take time to assess anything they broadstroke everything and expect for you to just go along...

  • Da Puppet Mistress
  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    The real question is smarter than what? I mean...whet?

  • LibraGirlonly

    What about the white boy that out the hanger in the black boys arse?

  • stav

    And many in law enforcement , and politics are thugs disguised as productive, law abiding citizens.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    @Traci404?

  • LibraGirlonly

    Walking around here sleep. Look out for codes everywhere. They don't want us here!!

  • Traci404

    Then you lLittle Bobby Shmurna, rapping about what...murders that he and his crew actually did.

    Then we have people saying why can't he get out on bail?
    No leave his little THUG ASS, right where he is.

  • LibraGirlonly

    We can be outraged about all of it can't we?

  • LibraGirlonly

    They are the Original thugs.

  • MisTaken

    A retarded fruit fly

  • MisTaken

    Based on the comments I guess he I see its misunderstood and probably our next president ... By the black boy with the ripped booty hole... He a thug... Cause he might like rap.

  • Traci404

    Yes these mufu too.
    The Cop that raped all those poor white and poor blackwomen
    Is a Thug.
    There are THUGS that are Cops, that need to be outted and kicked of the force.
    Most of them have MULTIPLE "use of excessive force" complaints in their files.

  • yallcrazy

    Ok I hear you. And you have made great points. Tell me what you are doing in your community to help. Us ranting on a blog does nothing. And like I said I'm speaking of this topic Sandra put up. You don't know how I feel when I see the stories of 3 black people shot up. I'm just as upset as you are. I used to rant on my FB page a long time ago about black violence but I stopped once I realized I wasn't physically doing anything...just saying over and over how that's a shame and that's sad

  • stav

    You've got that right!

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    See ?. ~blows on this Colombian~

  • Smartypants

    The vast majority of them reference guns and violence in their music; an abortion of what hip hop was intended for. Stop lying to yourself and saying it's positive. The vast majority of it isn't and hasn't been for decades.

  • Cinnamon Brown

    #facts ! I dont know any true thug that shoots himself in the leg... not one!

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    We can talk about the Hip-hop Dalmatians all day. It what YOU CHOOSE to listen to. A lot of the music today TO ME isn't worth a pile of beans. I listen to what FEEDS me. There is a plethora of rap to listen to besides those that makes you wretch.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    Probably the same. IDK though. Cricket been here a long time.

  • RespectSelf

    There's a difference from " a lot' and "every" right? So again, don't a lot of rappers want to be a bout that life anyway? I'm not talking about a chance the rapper, or a kanye when I think of a lot. I'm referring to a lot of the others who do rap about doing things in these streets. Or the one who got people a around them in the streets. The point of my question is it's 2016. Why we mad at a old white man that that thinks rappers are thugs lol. Come on!!!

  • MisTaken

    No, a lot of rapper don't want to be. That's my answer. If that helps lol. Also, I don't care how old someone is if they are publicly spewing ignorance. And people are regurgitating it as fact. I think both of us want the best but have different perspectives and that's fine.

  • Marie

    Bratton is bad news for NYC Sandra you should of saw what he did to those illegal dirt bikes that he confiscated and he had a big grin on his face watching them demolished those dirt bikes. I felt he could of donated the parts or did something else.

  • Baron

    Not all rappers are thugs. However, there are many who self-identify as such. He should have qualified his statement.

  • Mystery User

    How long you been waiting to post that? #scripted

  • Traci404

    I am in talent acquisition.

    I coach and counsel blackmen on how to get a job, how start your own business
    I have heart to heart conversations - about Corporate Games & Office Politics.
    I hire people of color and assure that for every position that comes open that these folks are being seen by hiring managers and have a fair and equal chance of being hired, not just lgiven lip service.

    I network In the technology arena supplying diverse candidates,
    I rework resumes so that candidates are presented favorably.
    I coach and counsel about "how to do well" in a job interview.

    Primary focus is BlackMen because a BlackMan working Has a direct and immediate positive impact on the Black family.

  • Mystery User

    lol stabbings....
    don't forget the redneck college football ravalries - OU and TX someone almost lots a pair of nuts, for real for real

  • Mystery User

    Ask Lecrae too, while you asking around

  • Sircaput

    Well what should they call them? "Uncivilized individuals that has been misguided through life" but we would brand that to so no one can use it!
    #scripted

  • Mystery User

    thanks for that commercial break @lovzoe05:disqus

  • goat

    You think he care?

  • Sircaput

    About an hour, went walking during lunch if that answers your question.

  • Mystery User

    @disqus_u2cDTETVQH:disqus @MissHarlem if you watch the news - the 1st 90 secons is usul y the most impactful. It draws you in right before you leave so you can have water cooler talk at work. My husband and I like to call it the boogey man segment. It's always all bad and mostly shows a lot of pictures of black people - either dying or killing.

  • Da Puppet Mistress

    I just hollered. Jesus.

  • Mystery User

    Correction - that cop raped ONLY black women. And he still denies it while he serves his 200 plus years in jail.
    Rest assured no level of law enforcement was going to let him walk, ONLY Because there was too much evidence, and it would have made all cops look bad.

  • Taylordanes

    it would be nice if the conscious rappers would join forces and create a new movement. We know the media chooses to show the bad side, so we have to find ways to promote the good. look at all these socail media blogs. All they do is promote ratchet lifestyle, instathots, reality TV. No talent. Its sad. But WE have to change the way WE are viewed.

  • Taylordanes

    YES REALEST!!!!!!!

  • Cricket404

    No m'am

  • Cricket404

    I'm 45. I've been woke a long time. Thanks though.

  • Taylordanes

    Agreed many of the buildings in Harlem are fine. Its just that the rent and leases are going up so high that mom and pop stores can no longer afford it and they are being pushed out. Harlem aint even Harlem anymore.

  • Cricket404

    I wonder if black men will come to the defense of black women when we are called whores, gold diggers and the like- NOPE!!!

  • Celestewriter

    Honestly, there are too many mediums showing black people as dark, dense and dumb.

    Gucci Mane just got out and has a song out already.

    T.I. was a rubber band man before hitting it big with music, and he's a 7 time felon.

    Lil Wayne went to Rikers. Still famous.

    Bobby Shmurda is in for what? Murder.

    Somebody died this week. Another rapper shot by a rapper.

    Drill Music keeps Chicago people living like those in Iraq.

    Trap music keeps the boys and girls in the streets...about that life.

    Why do the rappers have to be felons?

    WHy do we keep lying about #BlackLivesMatter, when we feed our children this bullshit...and love it?

  • Taylordanes

    The vast majority of any music speaks of sex and violence. Have you listened to some Rock artists that speak of devil worship and hate? The history of rap and gangsta rap in particular is cultural and if you cant understand that maybe you should keep reading GQ or maybe a book called "From Slavery to Freedom" written by James B Duke.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    I didn't mean him lol. I just didn't fix because I'm on mobile. Sorry??

  • CookieMobster

    All rappers aren't thugs but 99.99999% of them want you to believe they "bout that life"

  • Taylordanes

    I also see such and such rapper ....Hosted a Charity Event, Visited a Childrens' Charity, Donated Water to Flint...its not publicized as much but there ARE rappers helping the community

  • Taylordanes

    There are MANY rappers who give back...Donate Water to Flint, Visit Children in Hospitals, Host Holiday Events giving back. THE MEDIA DOES NOT PUBLICIZE THIS! Only the bad. Stop listening to what the radio feeds you and the media. All rappers are NOT thugs just like all police and politicians are NOT for the people!

  • Taylordanes

    And rappers are NOT the only ones glamorizing that lifestyle. Even the Reality Show Rich Kids of Beverly Hills glamorizes wealth, all these reality shows glamorize wealth. This society glamorizes wealth. Not just rappers! Even cultures glamorize material things. Have you gone to Dubai??? Geez! Stop acting like black folks are the only people who glamorize violence and wealth!

  • Taylordanes

    You mean the vast majority that is played on the airwaves and promoted by those in Power or the actual music being made by artists?????

  • Lovelove

    I'm not mad at him. I mean he could have said "some" are fuggin' thugs. But yeah, these lowlife-ass rappers, a good number of them do just what he said. Sorry. Don't like it? Then DO BETTER, Rappers!! All Races... Not just the black keys!!!

  • Taylordanes

    But they dont call themselves thugs they call themselves mentally ill.....

  • Taylordanes

    they dont call them thugs either just mental!

  • Taylordanes

    they dont call them thugs either just mental!

  • Taylordanes

    Thank you

  • Taylordanes

    Thank you

  • Cricket404

    Hey hey hey, was that a diss? Yes, jazz is good to me. I can't stand the lyrics of these hot boys, the beats yes, but not what comes out if their mouths. I have no allegiance to them as they don't to me. How many BM come to BW defense when we are called whores and whatnot?

  • Taylordanes

    I dont belive there is NO OUTRAGE! And yes there is outrage because of the name calling. This outrage stems from an unjust system. A police officer kills a black man and gets away with it. he isnt labeled a murderer or a thug. A politician has files of children in his computer. He isnt a thug just mentally ill. We also have to keep in mind the owners of MANY of these labels are not black. So they could care less what gets promoted as long as it is accepted and makes money. You just said it the labels create the drama, so call these labels the thugs. Call the people who have the real power thugs. The stations that play the music. its like arresting the little drug dealers and not the big guy distributing it. You cant attack those that are not in control. And you also have to understand the mentality of these men growing up poor and in violence and their way out is to sign deals with these devils.. Lets not just attack the rappers although I refuse to listen to many who I cant understand or promote a lifestyle I dont agree with.

  • Taylordanes
  • Taylordanes
  • Taylordanes

    Back in Business’

    From: ‘Fly on the Wall’ (1985)

    On the ‘Fly on the Wall’ album cut, ‘Back in Business,’ singer Brian Johnson adopts the character of a brutal underworld hit man. Remorseless and unrepentant, he proudly boasts about returning to the streets (and to his old, murderous ways) after having broken out of prison.

    ....................

    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap’

    From: ‘Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap’ (1976)

    A perfect analogy for the allegations that were shockingly leveled (and just as quickly retracted) against AC/DC timekeeper Phil Rudd, ‘Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap’ addresses all kinds of sordid behavior before its protagonist comes right out and offers to “handle the situation by any means necessary.”

    .............

    This Means War’

    From: ‘Blow Up Your Video’ (1988)

    The final track from 1988’s underrated ‘Blow Up Your Video’ is one of the flat-out fastest and most intense in the entire AC/DC canon. It’s also a worthy entry in our list of AC/DC’s Most Violent Songs, thanks to the bellicose language about guns, grenades, bombers and blitzes. The song paints a military picture in keeping with the backing music’s inexorable attack through to its explosive conclusion.

    Here's a few...there are loads more :)

  • Taylordanes

    preachhhhh

  • Cricket404

    I don't see where Braxton said 'thugs', did he say it or not.

  • Taylordanes

    A LOT of people want to be about that life rappers or not. You have many races and genres of people glorifying sex, drugs and violence, not just RAP music!

  • Taylordanes

    No we get mad when the white man calls us out as thugs yet labels themselves another way. Its called perception.. And the media and powers that be have always wanted people to FEAR the black man. Always. So this is another way of labeling black men. But ALL people who are thugs should be labeled as such. White rock stars, actors, and politicians who act as thugs should be labeled as that and NOT mentally ill. There ARE many issues that our community has to address. Black on Black murder is one, however this post is discussing how WE as a people are being labeled. So lets stick to that topic. Bringing up other topics does not negate the fact that this man was wrong for saying that.

  • Taylordanes

    The thugs ARE in office!

  • Taylordanes

    but your naming all the negative. Can you also respond with a list of positives. you HAVE to research those actually because the media only wants you to know the bad like what you just posted!!!! Sad

  • Miany

    He may be a thug but WHYYYYY are people so quick to accept the statement that all rappers are thugs? Most rappers are regula azz black boys try a follow a passion or make a quick, legal profit....when did theyou ALL become thugs?

  • Miany

    Hugs and kisses....I did not want to call these folk house ninjas but u are too right!

  • Cricket404

    Ha! I have to agree with this @Traci404. Besides I don't see where he said "thugs", share the quote with thug in his statement

  • MissHarlem

    Fck that I call a spade a spade lol

  • MissHarlem

    Never did

  • abby-o

    Well to be a good rapper don't u have to have an extended rap sheet??? They need something to rap and boast about... So they r thugs, no?

  • side_i

    Exactly!

  • LibraGirlonly

    Barking like a dog for the white man huh?

  • Celestewriter

    Black America has gotten so used to protecting their criminals, haven't they?

  • Celestewriter

    Your statement proves that black men and women love to be street soldiers and fear real service and protection. It's all you guys fault that y'all can't get right.

  • Celestewriter

    Your statement proves that black men and women love to be street soldiers and fear real service and protection. It's all you guys fault that y'all can't get right.

  • Celestewriter

    Who taught you to fear police besides rap music and criminals?

  • Celestewriter

    Who taught you to fear police besides rap music and criminals?

  • Celestewriter

    Daily shootings in Chicago, as well... But it's all good because the music that comes from it is hot!

  • MisTaken

    *puts my lighter in the air* yes yes one love. I like all types of music. Even the ones that call folks hoes. I can dance to it cause they ain't talking to me ?????? #chrisrock

  • RespectSelf

    A thug is define as a violent person, or criminal person. And A lot of rappers talk about violence. Do all rappers talk about violence. No! Not at all. Do A lot of rappers, yes! But what rapper ain't talking about illegal activity. seriously? I watch battle rap... there are a lot of battle "RAPPERS" all of it basically violent. Both female and males battle 'Rappers' talk about violence. Gucci mane, young thug, future, Kevin Gates, Designer... Even Chance the rapper got a new song with lil wayne and 2 chains that is talking about violence. So a white man calling rappers thugs based on their definition of one--- makes sense to me. Either they are rapping about being in the streets, beating someone up who mess with them, sending their goons, or doing illegal drugs-- That's in "A lot" of rappers material. Drake, J Cole, Kendrick included. so if they dont want to be called thugs then "a lot" of rappers should rap about thug shit.

  • Jahnée Gill Mr.Eddie Murphy

    Am I the only one here that over stands that he's referring to BLACK people as THUGS, not just rappers? He was waiting for his time to shine, now the pig got it. I hope a one of HIS OWN THUGS shoots his ass.

  • RespectSelf

    You are right. He just happen to talk about "rappers". So while there are many people who don't rap trying to be about that life--- a lot of rappers are included

  • Taylordanes

    No actually WHITE AMERICA has ALWAYS protected THEIR criminals. The police, the politicians, the wealthy and their tax breaks. black people have not had enough resources to PROTECT our criminals. Maybe research the War on Drugs in the 80s when the FBI brought drugs into the community only to declare a war on drugs and give black criminals higher sentences. your missing the point no one is protecting criminals we are just asking that ALL people whether criminals or not are treated and addressed in the same manner. The same way blacks cant be racist! We dont have the means!!!!!!!!!!

  • Setsu Oh

    degradation of wmen??
    degradation of the IMAGE women have had for DECADES
    time for a change. time for the truth.
    they are not princesses, not goddesses.
    they sheat & love ridchards and clitopatra.

  • Taylordanes

    yes they are included but you cant label those who do as the majority. A lot of my Arab friends LOVE flashy things. It would be wrong to say they all do. many artists..rappers, rock, pop glamorize the lifestyle, yet their music isnt categorized that way. He is talking about rappers now but who knows who he will lump as thugs in the future

  • LibraGirlonly

    Don't sound like you woke!!

  • RespectSelf

    He said "the crazy world of these so-called rap artists who are basically thugs that basically celebrate violence they did all their lives"

    Generalizing rappers as a whole does not mean each individual rapper is a thug.

    In the early testaments when God would punish Tommy--- he didn't just take tommy. He would take Tommy's whole block down with him.

    So why we expect man to do "better" (if it really even is) God generalizes, mother nature generalizes (meaning its not just cold for billy, its cold for everybody who lives where billy does). So one white man said rappers are thugs. He's not bout to say "oh except you over there, and oh yea you in the cut over there too" lol

  • Afiya

    So Bratton, how did YOU get to your top? How much glass you working with?

  • Afiya

    And himself.

  • Afiya

    Change the station.

  • Afiya

    Aint their choice, we belong here just like they do.

  • Afiya

    Aint their choice, we belong here just like they do.

  • Afiya

    But didnt they arrest the culprit?

  • Taylordanes

    Religion is definitely something that will not defend your statement. There are many and yours does not represent the absolute. Generalizing people is stereotyping and if you feel stereotyping a group of people is ok then that's simple and you have a right to feel as you please

  • MS.BEE

    HE'S RIGHT, BUT ALL OF THEM AREN'T THUGS.

  • MS.BEE

    TRUE && WE STILL KILLING EACH OTHER MORE & MORE. SO THE NAME CALLING ISN'T NOTHING!

  • Celestewriter

    I don't understand why or how black people in the hood don't have the means or resources to protect themselves, seeing that they run the streets and the money and the drugs that were put in the neighborhood allegedly by the FBI.

    Instead of having the mindset to take the drugs out of their neighborhoods, they decided to make a career out of the drug trade and encourage young youth to do that as a summer gig. We created thugs and criminals...for fast street money, which is still glorified today.

    If black people were stupid enough to destroy their own communities and families with drugs and illegal weapons, then of course it was right for the FBI to give black men and women harsher sentences.

    That's a way of showing that they care.

  • Jusstlookn

    “The crazy world of these so-called rap artists who are basically thugs, that

    basically celebrate violence they did all their lives, and unfortunately that violence oftentimes manifests itself during their performances and that’s exactly what happened last evening,” Bratton said on “The Len Berman and Todd Schnitt Show” on 710 WOR radio.

  • Cricket404

    Thank you.

  • Somewhat

    I'm sorry he is right about 90% of these rappers. But he should pause with saying it celebrates violence cause if you listen to some of these rock and roll songs and most are responsible for the white kids od on drugs if weak people can't separate a song from real life who Tf do you blame is my question

  • http://disqus.com/ yoliewinecorporation

    Some black people don't know how TO Act IMO

  • Tea??

    The way a lot of these rap "artists" portray themselves I'm not surprised old white men have this assumption. I love rap but when the majority of the music is either talking about killing another black man or hating us black women what do you expect people to think?

  • Jean Paul Le’vonne

    I see thugs!

  • Traci404

    People are quick to accept it, because the majority of the Rappers who are in the mainstream have a criminal record.
    The people who make the news and are constantly paraded on the news are felons.
    The record companies have bamboozled 90% of these folks, making going to prison a badge of honor. and it is NOT.
    once you see your heroes being locked up, over time your children start to think this is acceptable behavior.

  • Traci404

    you named 3. I can name 200 songs.
    with the word B*tch and Hoe.
    and Don't let me get started on the word N*gga
    ( not used a term of endearment)
    there are crazy songs across the industry. nothing like the misogynistic music put out by Rappers.

  • Traci404

    I agree that the criminality has a variety of outcomes. HOWEVER, before we challenge the system about others. We MUST clean up our own house.
    I am sick, and I really mean SICK of seeing BlackMEN murdered everyday, by the hands of another blackman.
    don't complain about the cops, when we cant police ourselves. Don't tell me #blacklivesmatter. Only to look away, at the illness in our own communities. it's hypocritical.

  • Traci404

    it doesn't matter what colloquium we use. Once again A BlackMan is murdered by another Blackman.
    I am starting to believe that THIS IS a MENTAL ILLNESS TOO.

  • Traci404

    let me not forget... the shooter just walked in shooting, with no regard to who he hit. WOMEN, innocent bystanders.
    WTH?

  • Traci404

    it's not publicized... yet we are on TWITTER, FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, and SNAPCHAT 24/7/
    the stuff that get's publicized is the ratchet, gutter behavior. and "WE" allow it.

    here is a challenge: TRIPLE DARE US to make a positive story about a RAPPER go VIRAL.

  • Traci404

    Chalk up one for black folks. FINALLY.
    I hope he enjoys his 200 year vacation. and then he BURNS IN HELL.

  • Traci404

    Yes I do listen to other music. As a matter of fact. RAP is my least favorite because of the lyrics. Unless the artist is a LYRICIST and has a good command of the english language. I dont even bother.
    I am a fan of music when it was REAL and not this manufactured, throw it against the wall and see what sticks B.S. that the record companies has flushed out.
    I wont even get started on the number of these artist who can actually READ MUSIC or PLAY an INSTRUMENT.
    that's another post for another time.

    they lyrics in 80% of Rap music are crap. The Beats are stolen (sampled) from some other musical artist and RAP is on it's way out... because people gangsta's and thugs hijacked the industry.

  • Traci404

    dont get mad when they call you a Thug.

  • Traci404

    don't get mad if they call you a Thug. You sing about thuggery, you act like a thug. then.... well...

  • Traci404

    You are one of the very few who have made sense.
    You sing about the Gangsta Life, you attract people who are in sync with that lifestyle.
    Folks are mad cause the old geezer told the truth.
    only thing he didnt say is...ALL rappers are not thugs.. but if left to the Record companies .. very few Rappers are signing about having a good time out with friends, like back in the day.

  • Traci404

    The conscious rappers are basically underground.
    Rap is not my favorite genre, there are a few that I do listen to.
    Immortal Technique is who I try to catch on youtube.
    he spits truth.

  • Traci404

    I try not to listen, but it has a detrimental effect in my community. So rather than turn my back and act like it doesn't exist.
    I address it.
    if the "music" you spit creates a vibration in the community that is negative and dysfunctional. I speak up.

    YOU can bury your head in the sand, and THAT is the problem.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    I won't and don't. I know who I am. ?

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    INSOMNIA

  • LeBrick James

    Truth. Too bad so many of our people are in denial about something that's pretty obvious by now.

  • LeBrick James

    I dont think he said anything wrong.
    Politically incorrect maybe, but not wrong. He has nothing to apologize for . Truth is truth, even if some people can't handle it. .

  • Doink_Ahanahue

    So you can't "call a spade a spade" because the spade might get offended? People NEED to be called out! That's how we used to learn to do better. That group of people (Trov Ave and those with him) regardless of status or job title, acted like THUGS. Regardless of the "beef" they may have had there is no reason a weapon should have been pulled/used in that situation. It was supposedly a rap beef. KEEP IT IN THE MUSIC. So many rap beefs have made nothing but good music. These THUGS chose to make it something else

    You want to be called better, act better.