Electoral College

A petition signed by over 4 million disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters gives them false hope that the Electoral College will elect Clinton president on Dec. 19.

Below is a post on Instagram.com that suggests your vote doesn't matter because unknown "political figures" in the Electoral College gave their electoral votes to President-elect Donald Trump.

Electoral College

The electors are not nameless individuals conspiring to elect whomever they want. They are chosen based on your state senators and representatives in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives in Congress (pictured above).

Unlike in local elections, Americans do not directly elect the president or vice president. Instead, a 2-step process is necessary to prevent voter fraud on a massive scale.

The Electoral College is simply the 2nd step of the 2-step process to elect a president and vice president after the people have spoken.

Every state is represented by 2 senators and a number of representatives (congressmen or congresswomen) based on your state's population.

Each state gets to choose electors equal to the number of senators and representatives who reside in that state.

Under most states's winner-take-all system the candidate who wins the state gets all the electoral votes for that state.

For example, New York state has 27 representatives and 2 senators for a total of 29 electoral votes. Clinton won NY so she won all 29 electoral votes.

There are 100 members of the Senate (2 senators for every state) and 435 members of the House of Representatives. That's 535 electoral votes for the states (plus 3 electoral votes for Washington D.C.) for a total of 538.

270 electoral votes are required for a presidential candidate to win the election. 269 X 2 = 538. (270 breaks the tie).

Electors in every state pledge to honor their state's choice for president as decided by the people.

After a president is elected by the people, Republicans and Democrats sit down at a later date (Dec. 19) to give their electoral votes to the candidate who won their state.

"Faithless electors" are simply electors who go against their state by voting for the candidate who did not win their state.

For example, Donald Trump won the Republican stronghold of Georgia, which has 14 representatives and 2 senators. When Congress convenes on Dec. 19, Georgia's electors will vote to give Georgia's 16 electoral votes to Trump (since he won Georgia).

Every red state will do the same and President-elect Trump will be confirmed as president.

If some of the 16 electors in Georgia decided to give their state's electoral votes to Hillary Clinton, that would cause a revolt within their state.

Trump won more states than Clinton, so he won more electoral votes (290 to her 228). But remember that Trump only needs 270 electoral votes to be elected president on Dec. 19.

Electoral College

The map shows the Democratic states in blue, and the Republican states in red. Clinton won the blue states, Trump won the red states.

In order for Clinton to be elected president on Dec. 19, at least 21 electors in one or more of the red states (won by Trump) would have to defy their state by giving their electoral votes to Clinton.

Theoretically, that would leave Trump with less than the 270 electoral votes necessary to be elected president.

The vote would then go to the House of Representatives who would reconvene in January 2017 to elect either Trump or Clinton as president.

The chances of that happening are zero to none.

It should be noted that federal law does not require an elector to honor their pledge to vote with their state. Still, it is a rare occurrence for an elector to dishonor their pledge by voting for the other candidate.

If Congress threw out the Electoral College and relied solely on the popular vote to elect the president, the heavily populated states of New York, California and Florida would decide the presidential election every 4 years.

A Republican would never be elected president again.

The Electoral College is a system that works and it's here to stay.

  • Jussie-JustLooking4Peace
  • Sonny Johnson

    So basically the system (electoral college) chose Trump why the majority of the American populist (popular vote) chose Clinton.

  • missmiami305

    Omg we get it. Trump is the President. Can we move on already! Folks are wasting precious time and energy. The system was put into place for a reason and so was Trump. He was confirmed as President way before the actual election. Jokes on us ?. Obviously, this country wants to go down this road. Let them ?

  • missmiami305

    This meme never gets old ?

  • Sonny Johnson

    Move on to what exactly he isn't president for a day, we are stuck with him for the next four years and the majority of people did not choose this man

  • missmiami305

    Sn, does the person on IG know u can look up the members in the electoral college online....

  • MScommunication

    I know how all this works. He still didn't win the popula vote but neither did Bush against AL Gore. It is what it is. The "people" have spoken and we have to eat it.

  • B.Sweet has e-white privilege

    When trying to school people goes incredibly wrong.

    Morning btw.

  • missmiami305

    Well, lets see how this goes. We similar things when Bush took the election from Gore and we see how that turned out. The US doesn't negotiate with terrorists who capture serviceman and they darn sure aren't going to negotiate with US citizens about the Presidency. The energy protesting is wasteful and can be put to good use in our communities.

  • Phillybruh

    I don't think anyone believes the protest will change the outcome, but what it is doing is causing states to reevaluate the use of it.

  • missmiami305

    My point exactly!!!!! U nailed it. Been there and done that.

  • B.Sweet has e-white privilege

    This isn't petty. We're Many people here are petty, this is filled with inaccuracies so you can call it many things but it's not petty.

  • missmiami305

    We have this electoral argument every presidential election. Sadly, I dont believe the system is going anywhere.

  • B.Sweet has e-white privilege

    If you don't know how the Electoral college works, go to Wikipedia instead.

  • Phillybruh

    States have already begun to look at it, MD and California have already taken steps to award the electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote. I'm sure Trumps people want these protest stopped because they will only get bigger and when those jobs to don't appear in the next 24 months those white men are going to want his head on platter.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Instagram is for people who don't like to read. They just like to look at pictures all day. You can tell Instagram users because they always substitute "rather" for the word "whether".

  • Buttercup

    They are your state senators and representatives in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives in Congress (pictured above).
    ===============
    *holds up pointer finger like Lil Butter* Actually, a Senator, Representative, or anyone holding office under the United States can serve as an elector.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Point out the inaccuracies.

  • missmiami305

    I do agree about yt folks being upset when they see Trump back peddling. I say take this loss and let the folks who put him in office have at it. A hard head makes a soft a$$. They will find out one way or another that he is a shrewd businessman and said anything to get into office. They drank the Kool-Aid.

  • iWasteTime

    Good Morning Roses.
    I cannot! I see others are making the necessary corrections to this write!
    Thanks for the facts

  • Buttercup

    Instead, a 2-step process is necessary to prevent voter fraud on a massive scale.
    ===========
    Actually, it was put in place to prevent a direct democracy. The United States was founded as a republic.

  • Phillybruh

    I totally agree, I have my popcorn and ready to watch rome burn, but I can't get too happy I live and work in rome...lol

  • missmiami305

    ?Ur right. There was a meme going around prior to the election about Trump getting rid of child support if elected. Safe to say black and latino men voted solely based on that inaccurate meme ?.

  • missmiami305

    Bingo!

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    ???

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    That's exactly what states already do. The winner of the popular vote in that state gets all the electoral votes. It would take a Constitutional amendment to do it differently.

  • Yoni

    ".......and to the REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS."

  • Buttercup

    Aaaaaall the way wrong.

  • Phillybruh

    It would take the states to collectively agree to do away with it.

  • FOR REAL DEMOCRACY

    Reading this twice, the whole thing is, to me, jumbled & misleading. THE ELECTORS ARE NOT YOUR SENATORS OR CONGRESS REPRESENTATIVES. At least they're elected! ELECTORS are selected by the two-party machines. THEY are the real 'deciders' and ultimately the Electors they select. WHAT A SYSTEM! ... YOU ARE CORRECT HOWEVER THAT ELECTORS ARE NOT BOUND TO ANY RULES ABOUT THEIR VOTE. They CAN vote for anyone, EVEN THE POPULARLY ELECTED MAN OR WOMAN! Even Mr. Trump said he thinks its a bad system. You could have also more correctly explained TEN STATES (CA, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, VT and WA) have ALREADY AGREED TO ABIDE BY THE POPULAR VOTE...WHICH is defined as the 'aggregate of all votes in all states'...(not 'the Electors State)...MEANING WE COULD SEE HRC BECOME THE REAL PRESIDENT if their 165 votes went for the POPULAR VOTE... FOUR TIMES THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE declared people VOTED IN THE MAJORITY FOR Jackson,Tilden, Cleveland and GORE were losers! HRC would make it FIVE. Get to work! Call your 'Party People' & try to get 'your Electors' to VOTE WITH THE POPULAR VOTEW@

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    That doesn't change the fact that "a 2-step process is necessary to prevent voter fraud".

  • iWasteTime

    I have a question.
    Where is Donald getting the 20 plus Billion dollars to deport those specific people? We barely have the 4 Billion we've used in the last 5 years to deport ...

  • Karma WhO

    I love this write up because the comments will expose whats truth and whats inaccurate here..I've had soo many questions about how the electoral college works ..one of his newly elected officials says that only 12 states in the US is all that really matters in the election..

  • MissyJ

    An electoral college system was put in place to protect slave states. In a direct democracy slaves states would've lost every time. An electoral college allowed slaves to be counted in the population which gave the state more electoral college votes.

  • MissyJ

    No you ma'am are wrong. Which you know, but I'll tell you anyway

    Why not prevent voter fraud in any other elections? Like governor, senate.......

  • missmiami305

    I feel ya! We gonna be aight no matter what. We are built for this. We've lived through worse. Hell, in some cases the only folk who lived to tell the story ?. Keep a stash of food, money, medical supplies, gas and etc to ride it out all just in case.

  • Buttercup

    Egg-zack-tly!

  • Buttercup

    Taxes that he isn't even putting in on :wail:

  • MissyJ

    Literally everything is rooted in slavery, racism, and bigotry.. But white folks love to tell black people to "just get over it" gahhhhh

  • Phillybruh

    I secretly wished this was the outcome, because I wanted too see white folks reaction when they realize the con, but figured common sense would prevail in the end. But white folks are a vindictive bunch. I'm sure they were giddy inside knowing that Obama would have to hand over power to the man who questioned his validity.

  • Buttercup

    While the electors can vote for whomever they wish, Saundra is right. They are classified as faithless electors and are subject to fines and even misdemeanors.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Did you mean can't serve as an Elector?

  • Buttercup

    F5

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Because the founding fathers didn't care about voter fraud on a local level.

  • MyNameIs

    Girl. Let go and let God! My eyes are starting to immediately roll when I see a headline! ???

  • Buttercup

    But they never owned slaves and just wants everyone to sing Kumbaya aside the camp fire even though they have and continue to benefit from the privilege their complexion brings /sarcasm.

  • B.Sweet has e-white privilege

    Don't

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    What your saying does not contradict the fact that it was put in place to prevent voter fraud.

  • MissyJ

    Yes it does. It has absolutely positively 100% nothing to do with voter fraud.

    Oh and You're*

  • hottlanta

    Trump complained about the electoral college said they were unfair Now it is in his favor it is not unfair. They gave it to him because he would have complained about a RIGGED election and held things up. . I am upset because we have a sexual predator as President. Not my President. How does one get a job one day and goes to court for FRAUD the next day. Shouldn't he be locked for having a university that wasn't certified and took folks money. Talking about his penis size during a professional debate. If Barak had done a 5th of what he did he would not have made it that far. Still haven't produced the necessary paperwork to complete it HR package such as showing us his taxes. How am I gonna elect someone who doesn't pay taxes and I do. Yep the system is rigged. He campaigned that he wasn't a Washington insider and wasn't complained about Wall Street. Well he got Washington insiders and Wall Street on his committees. How is he gonna complain about Hillary being a longtime politician when he has Newt who was IMPEACHED and for years did nothing but collect a check. Now they are talking about PRIVITAZING social security. That is what folks get.

  • B.Sweet has e-white privilege

    The electors are not nameless individuals conspiring to elect whomever
    they want. They are your state senators and representatives in the U.S.
    Senate and the House of Representatives in Congress (pictured above).
    ----------
    This is one the very first one. This process is not in place for voter fraud. You knew that already.

  • SoulPowerEnergy

    I said the same thing.

    She's absolutely unnecessarily bringing up dead topics who cares anymore it's done he's in and Hilary isn't.
    But this jobless pseudo journalist likes to mentally abuse her readers that are already stricken with severe PSTD and see afraid of losing basic human rights in this country because of their skin color.

    She's a evil spirit.

  • missmiami305

    U know they were all warm and fuzzy. It's business as usual for me. Election is over so let's keep it moving ?. Yt folks love to hear our opinion knowing we are upset. They just want to pour salt into our wounds. But i shit them up real quick and tell them to take this loss on their own ?. I'm still young but if I can live through Bush and his two terms, I can live through anything. Purchased my first home while he was in office and the economy was in shambles. Black folk gonna make it period. We simply need to do it together and look out for each other.

  • hottlanta

    Their protesting energy is not wasteful. Don't get besides yourself because you enjoy luxuries as having a job, shopping, eating, buying a home and car. Had someone not protested you would not enjoy those luxuries.

  • missmiami305

    We can agree to disagree.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    That's simple math. The winner of the states with the most electoral votes wins the election.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    You're correct. I edited that paragraph to reflect that electors are based on the number of Senators and Representatives in every state. Other than that, the 2-step process ensures the president is elected fairly, and not by dead people or fake ballots.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    I understand this is an Open Post, and you can say whatever you want, but if I'm aggravating your PTSD, why are you here?

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    Gd mawning!! How was everyone weekend???

    #imdisillusioned

  • hottlanta

    Yes we can. The only difference is when they marching they are not getting beat down with billy clubs, going to jail,having water hoses on them and getting bit by vicious attack dogs on purpose because they are exercising their constitutional right to protest. Just being born here didn't automatically afford you the right to enjoy such luxuries. Yet folks still want us to not be afraid/trust the police when these folks wasn't violent.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Did you read the post? "They" don't meet until Dec. 19. So how did "they" give Trump anything? The people spoke on Nov. 8. Trump won the popular vote in every state. Clinton won the overall popular vote thanks to voter fraud.

    Did you know Clinton stole 5 states and she still lost the election? That's why she didn't bother to ask for a recount like Al Gore did. A recount would expose the voter fraud.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Did you know Clinton stole 5 states and she still lost the election? That's why she didn't bother to ask for a recount like Al Gore did. A recount would expose the voter fraud (all the fake ballots and dead people still on the voter rolls).

  • Phillybruh

    I will indulge which 5 states did she steal?

  • MissyJ

    Al Gore did not "ask for a recount". The state of FL election code required a recount of votes because of the margin of defeat. Al Gore did ask for a hand recount of four counties simply because the ballot was confusing and other candidates agreed there was an issue.

    C'mon Cletus.. Keep trying it.... Walk over and limp back as many times as you please before your roller set is dry

  • SoulPowerEnergy

    Why am I here is a passive aggressive way to tell me to leave.
    You are so passive aggressive , SR. You can't stand knowledgeable commentors that can eloquently call you out on your abuse. I bet you wouldn't mind me being here if I called you the B word after every sentence.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose
  • Renee26

    ???

  • Renee26

    Great! So much so I'm working from home to recoup

  • hottlanta

    I am glad he won I also predicted he could win the election could go either way. I stand by what I said we have a sexual predator as President and for folks to try to normalize him is laughable. I will not celebrate that. Just like people calling Hillary "Crooked Hillary" each time her name is mentioned. I will call him Donald "Sexual Predator" Donald each time his name is mentioned. It is embarrassing to have a President going to jail for fraud. What person you know especially a black person could get a job with a FRAUD case pending. My lifestyle is not determined by whoever is in office I could care less. Omarosa ain't got a job yet. I didn't see her face in the job lineup since he was gonna be good to black folks and she was with him from beginning to end. I saw Ben I was like we are messed up.

  • INDUSTRY GURU

    Its the hidden process, behind American Elections, the part this countries citizens know nothing of and are always kept in the dark about that is very concerning.

    For example who chooses the "Electors", of the "Electoral College" what is the process behind how these people are put in place and in power. Do Americans have a say in this process, what if we disagree with who the Elector is, what keeps this process fair and above board....

    What about the State Election Officer...also known as Secretary of State. Katherin Harris ...of Florida remember her? She had the power to toss thousands of votes out....during the Bush ..Gore Debacle.......not a single soul even knew what a State Election Officer was, or how much power they actually had......untill the Bush ..Gore mess. Let alone the behind the scenes politics in putting one in place in a state.....by what authority do they have the power to toss your vote out.Who put you in power...over my vote.

    And Finally the Office of the President....(not the President).....the "Office of the President" ....as an Agency.....and what is told to every President.....on day one by that Office.....That Americans will never ever ever in life know.......about how this country is ran and what his job truly is.

    Truth is we are kept in the dark as a Matter of National Security, as a matter of Policy...

    I just touched the surfice of what we dont know about ...

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Al Gore did ask for a recount. I was living in Florida at the time. Many of us thought Gore won the election when we went to bed that night, only to wake up shocked the next morning.

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    That's wonderful! I'm glad u did

  • S. Williams

    Look... He's in. One of the biggest things I'm hoping for is that he did everything for show and does not actually follow through with his radical bs. So far, he seems to be retracting a lot and being a lot more realistic about what he can and can't do and how much power he actually has as a president. At this point, for minorities (speaking for us), we just need to get actively involved in our own continuous come up. we've come a long way but we not finished yet. Buy black, support black businesses, start our own, and mainly just grow economically as minorities in this country. (optimistic person here lol)

  • Well$$Well$$?

    The electoral college is outdated and unnecessary. It's not impossible for Republicants to win Cali. Regan did.

  • Jussie-JustLooking4Peace

    It was joke see post below.

    See you being Petty. Greetings

  • Blue

    This blog makes me so...

  • MissyJ

    Saying things that aren't facts do not make them facts. I was a senior in high school taking government to graduate. Studying this election became 75% of my grade and meant whether or not I'd matriculate. I did graduate on time. Personal anecdotes don't mean shit.... try harder.

  • Keesh5000

    Good Morning, Auntie stop with all the constant Political BS.... we want entertainment. A little Politics is ok, but get back to the tea. Never seen someone with a Green Card so interested in our Political system. Ive been voting since I was 18 and nothing and the Presidential Election has never directly affected me. Now my local elections is where I have my fun and can help get things done. GIVE ME TEAAAAAAAAA. Lets stay in the dark, especially if we make 250,000 or more. Hillary should not have been elected nor should Trump...but we had to choose, right? I dont feel comfortable with Men and Women using the same restroom or showering together. Hell make a LGBT bathroom. I felt like Obama had a great Presidency that will go down in History because if nothing he taught us about how important family is and to love each other not matter what Race, Gender or Sexual partners you choose. He had no scandals (in the public eyes who are not in to all that Political BS) George Bush Jr was a disaster and we are still picking up the pieces. Do you know how many Americans said that Obama was not their President when he won, A LOOOTTTTT of people and it was basically because he was Black. He won fair and square just like Trump did, so why is it not fair for people to say Trump is not my President. We should embrace our President Elect no matter who they are because we are Americans and we the people Vote our leaders in to office which is a system like non other. I hope Trump is able to push forward the promises he made to the People because Obama was held back on making his promises and we all know why so don't play dumb. Everything happens for a reason and America is not ready for a Female President. I hope Michele Obama runs in 2020 or 2024 because she just might be the first Female President. Trump has a plan in motion to deport illegal Immigrants and he is ready to move forward on it, hopefully it goes well. He has a plan to get rid of Obama Care and put something more affordable in place because we need Health Care Reform, hopefully it goes well. He just might change some things on people with Green Cards so watch out, he is like day and night. He changes his mind a lot as we can all see, so anyone that is not a Citizen....I would be very worried these next 4 years. I am a hard worker, pay taxes and abide by the Laws of this Country to which I am a Citizen of. I hope that Trump has a plan to reach my family and make us live a little better..maybe he does. He is the President and that is the end of the story for the next 4 years. Please keep in mind that just because Trump is President this does not mean he is able to do what he wants and when he wants... We have people in place to make sure he is in line..Congress, Government, etc... He can only make calls within his means. He will finally see how it feels for someone to tell him "no, you cant do that," which I'm sure he has not had a lot of people to tell him that in a long time. It is time for him to play Puppet like all of the other Presidents. Good luck President, I pray that you keep our Country safety and freedoms in your best interest.. Now can we get back to the real world https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b26a05ea94ce44e6bffe078a6cc8f2ac9abccc26f0b11c87c4af366ed82b1f85.gif

  • Sonny Johnson

    Provide links to articles that prove your claims, I've learned through this election that liberals and conservatives will stretch the truth or flat out lie if its their agenda

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    *clapping*
    Thanks. This is excellent! @realsandrarose:disqus

  • Keesh5000

    I don't think we will lose basic human rights in this Country because of our skin color. I just think people are upset and in some places its going over board. Although I dont feel Trump is a Racist, I must say his words have brought out the most hatred in a lot of people that think that taking the Country back, may mean they should commit hatred acts against people of Color, different Religious beliefs and people of the LGBT community. Trump should prepare a very nice speech to the American people letting them know that this behavior is not tolerable and we should come together as a Nation.

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    That is the NATIONAL popular vote that chose Clinton.
    The Electoral college IS THE REASON we ARE TO ALL VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION.
    LOCAL, CITY, COUNTY, STATE.

  • Keesh5000

    I feel they should get rid of the electoral college, just like Congress should not be able to serve until they die. They should have a 4 to 8 year term as well. Trump said he wants to change the system, well I'm here for it.... Change that shat Trump!!!

  • Tynamight

    Thanks, Auntie. I'm starting to think Liberals are idiots and I really don't wanna give up on Millennials, but...

  • Fendi aka Erin Blockabitch

    And per a news report I read last night, he won't be "putting in on" those taxes as POTUS.

    His salary will be $1/year. I commented about it on a post from yesterday. He has been doing this for over 20 years, so I'm by no means surprised.

  • hottlanta

    I got my claims by watching the news. What is it in my post you have a problem with. I am sure you heard the "grab them by the pu$$y" tape around the world where he labeled himself as a sexual predator. Did you not see his lawyers in court to trying to delay his trial for fraud last week for a university that was not certified and took people money. He labeled himself as a fraudster by doing that. Did you also not know that he wrote a check on purpose to Bondi and put Kansas on it instead of Florida so now the people in the state of Florida can't join the class action lawsuit. He paid a fine and said he was sorry for that. Shouldn't he be jail. You try that and see what happens to you. Sorry won't cut it my dear. I am not a liberal/conservation I am a U.S. taxpayer citizen that saw it on the news. It is funny how a white privileged man who has always gone to the very government that has always worked for him wanna complain and change it. You are not upset about him not paying taxes. Try not to pay yours and see how thee IRS will rag you to the end. Yes the system is rigged to benefit people such as he. Guess what he is gonna change it to make it work for him even more. Just ask his pals at Goldman Sachs who gave him money for his campaign and now he is giving jobs to look out for their interest. Time for Donald to pay up. For a man who hate big industry he got the biggest industry in his cabinet. Not to mention his lobbyist who he got rid of to run for President and hired them again in his cabinet. Yall got played. He didn't hire a person from the ghetto or trailer park who supported him. All of his cabinet members are white and wealthy like him. Looks like a fraternity house on campus.

  • Fendi aka Erin Blockabitch

    ...filled with glee!

    When you know better, none of this affects you. I know if anyone knows better, it's you. Happy Monday!

  • Sonny Johnson

    I was replying to Sandra Rose but thanks anyway

  • Sonny Johnson

    Yes as in Direct Democracy as in one person one vote chose Clinton and a representative republic vote in accordance to that state's allegiance/party affiliation chose Trump. Why vote if your party affiliation is not in line with your state

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    You are right this is wasted energy

  • Tony Shrewkly

    Like you know everything, foolish Trump supporter, he'll be out in less than a year.

  • Howard Alum ?

    Hey Sandra, here's a little tad bit of history about this wonderful electoral college system that elected your man Trump........
    Why does the electoral college exisit?
    Well, it exist because of slavery...in a direct election system, the South would have lost every time because a huge percentage of its population were slaves, and slaves couldn't vote. But an electoral college allowed states to count slaves, albeit at a discount (the three-fourths compromise), which gave the south the inside track to win presidential elections.......it's a bias system to say the least. It shows that we don't really live in a democracy.....these electors are nameless nobody's that meet on day to cast a vote. These people can be anybody, your next door neighbor, ect. You're right though, the chance of Hillary getting picked on Dec 19th is VERY unlikely....but if something happens before Dec 19th, such as a new scandal, ect...well like Trump changing his mind on policies he promised to change immediately upon being elected....these electors could change their mind.
    That's all....love ya lots ?

  • JerseyMom

    Very good explanation of the electoral college. It makes a lot of sense.

  • <—Doesn'tTalkToStrangers

    Go read a book.

    This wasn't established to "prevent voter fraud".

    Hombre you can't change up what the Constitution writers wrote or intended :nono:

  • <—Doesn'tTalkToStrangers

    Go read up on times in the past when Electoral Votes were held and not given to any candidate. ??????

  • <—Doesn'tTalkToStrangers

    Go read up on "why Electors were established".

    This is embarrassing yo :facepalm:

  • hottlanta

    Sorry about that . I apologize. I am sick of these Trump supporters that can talk about Hillary emails 24/7 but as soon as you say sexual predator and fraud Donald Trump they get mad. Hillary was never proven of wrong doing. Donald was on tape admitting to his wrong doing and he was proven to have took those people money for a university that didn't have a license. He just appointed a racist Chief of Staff. Black Republicans been drinking the Kool-Aid and got played. In your face and he doesn't even care. They thought they was appointing a non-politician when he just became a Republican for the duration of the election.

  • Op2

    If he is not out in even less than 3 or 4yrs, guess who the foolish one is? -I bet you were among the ones who also believed he would not be elected. lol

    Notice: He took the election win by storm. ;)

  • Op2

    If he is not out in even less than 3 or 4yrs, guess who the foolish one is? -I bet you were among the ones who also believed he would not be elected. lol

    Notice: He took the election win by storm. ;)

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    People keep saying this BUT no one has yet to push the issue.
    So, it will change when WE say it changes.

  • Blue

    Thanks Fendi!!! Happy Monday!

  • Karma WhO

    this was excellent!

  • missmiami305

    U feel me

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    again misinforming your readers as the electoral votes have not happened and will not be official until December 19th. We only need about 27 electoral votes from the republican party who has in fact stated if Trump were to win they would vote for Hilary. These are facts not information given to you by Instagram Sandra.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    they haven't even met yet.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    and now you're saying 4 million from when i corrected your 200,000 signature post from yesterday. Change.org only needs 100,000 signatures and it mandates Congress to respond. Please stop reporting on this shit Sandra.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    check your facts again sandra, you will lose to politics if you keep reporting on this.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    not enough research on your part and crediting instagram posts and c+pasting from other forums does not make you credited or knowledgable. LEARN YOUR HISTORY ALL OF YOU. "Arm yourself with knowledge as it is the only weapon they can't take away from you" - Malcom X

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    not true your talking what the republicans got away with when G W stole Florida. Inaccuracy and please cite where you got your information

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    i agree with you

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    yes its good to know that we as a nation have a voice it is our constitutional right and I am glad people are demonstrating and protesting. Just like black lives matter, we can either sit and deal with the crap that has been going on or attempt to make a difference even if our efforts aren't heard we go harder.

  • Inherent chaos

    This wouldn't even be a discussion if Hillary would have won. Liberals still don't realize it's these kinds of things as to why they lost EVERYTHING.

  • Inherent chaos

    This wouldn't even be a discussion if Hillary would have won. Liberals still don't realize it's these kinds of things as to why they lost EVERYTHING.

  • Inherent chaos

    Poor Baby. There's always a loser. This time it was YOUR party. Get over it. Put on your big girl panties and deal w/ it.

  • Inherent chaos

    Poor Baby. There's always a loser. This time it was YOUR party. Get over it. Put on your big girl panties and deal w/ it.

  • hottlanta

    For example. Black people would be protesting about a bank. Other black folks know they are correct but they are complaining about black folks protesting more than they are complaining about the problems with the bank. As soon as the protest and the problem with the bank is over, them same black folks sitting down and complaining about the black folks standing and marching against the banks will be the first one in line to enjoy the fruit of their hard labor. Never fails.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    yes and what most people like sandra fails to inform is that when you are a registered republican you do not support the nation and the people; you support the corporations that run this country.

    What i have learned being able to travel this world is that most people were either raised republicans and it just stuck to them and their beliefs. Just like when we are born into a certain religion we fight hard for what are upbringing teaches us. I don't blame these die hard republicans or these side-switchers. If they understood the propositions before them and what republicans actually stand for its not the poor class, middle class, and hard to believe not even for the millionaires club they favor but for the elite... Im talking the billions.

  • Howard Alum ?

    Funny thing, I'm apart of no party. I'm an independent! But, nice try. ?

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    This is why they system is designed to fail the middle class. Let's say you lose your job get fired or leave because a terminal illness. You pay into your taxes in some states its a 1/3 of your pay, you paying disability and your hard earn income you feel will come at a time when you need.

    Reality Check: It will come only temporary disability will support you for 1 year and unemployment. Then you have to pay into the "Cobra System" in order to maintain your benefits which use to cost you $30-$60 a month when you had a job. The cobra system then asks for monthly payments of $700 which is half of your EDD checks and not enough to pay rent. You then seek medi-cal for assistance and guess what you are told? You don't qualify because you earned enough income th year prior regardless of your health state now.

    Ill be damn for anyone who thinks making $70k and over is sufficient and deems you white collar. Not everyone uses the systems but when we pay into our taxes and need the systems to work for us, we don't qualify. But the homies who have 8 children and giving on welfare qualify by default and get assistance living.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    If anyone is immune to potentially face these crisis in anytime during their life, stand up and tell me your a republican or you favor them. Because please remember when the system fails you it was because f the corporations you voted for.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    amen to that

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    they have done the electoral college for the past 70+ years

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    wikipedia is not a credited site as it gives anyone the ability to correct and edit the information

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    voter fraud has nothing to d with the electoral college

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    OMG you just lost all credibility when you credited Alex Jones, AKA CIA informant . GIRL BYE.

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    EXACTLY THEY ARE JUST NORMAL PEOPLEEEEE like teachers nurses and such

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    it only needs 27/306 electoral votes, sorry sandra but your wrong

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    amen Soul because I wrote her a long letter and this morning I checked and she corrected a lot of her verbiage I dropped the hammer with knowledge and today I see all her back pedaling

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    none of my comments were approved except the ones that barely contain facts and just my opinions but she cited a lot of my knowledge

  • Unity Love Peace

    Right on

  • just being me

    No Republican should be elected now so if they never get elected again that would be great !!!!

  • toto

    New York and California together cast 15.7% of the national popular vote in 2012.
    About 62% Democratic in CA, and 64% in NY.
    New York and California have 15.6% of Electoral College votes.

  • toto

    Because of state-by-state winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution. . .

    In the 2012 presidential election, 1.3 million votes decided the winner in the ten states with the closest margins of victory.

    Candidates had no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they were safely ahead or hopelessly behind.

    With the end of the primaries, without the National Popular Vote bill in effect, the political relevance of 70% of all Americans was finished for the presidential election.

    In the 2016 general election campaign

    Over half (57%) of the campaign events were held in just 4 states (Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Ohio).

    Virtually all (94%) of the campaign events were in just 12 states (containing only 30% of the country's population).

    In the 2012 general election campaign

    38 states (including 24 of the 27 smallest states) had no campaign events, and minuscule or no spending for TV ads.

    More than 99% of presidential campaign attention (ad spending and visits) was invested on voters in just the only ten competitive states..

    Two-thirds (176 of 253) of the general-election campaign events, and a similar fraction of campaign expenditures, were in just four states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa).

    Issues of importance to non-battleground states are of so little interest to presidential candidates that they don’t even bother to poll them individually.

    Charlie Cook reported in 2004:
    “Senior Bush campaign strategist Matthew Dowd pointed out yesterday that the Bush campaign hadn’t taken a national poll in almost two years; instead, it has been polling [the then] 18 battleground states.”

    Bush White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer acknowledging the reality that [then] more than 2/3rds of Americans were ignored in the 2008 presidential campaign, said in the Washington Post on June 21, 2009:
    “If people don’t like it, they can move from a safe state to a swing state.”

    Over 87% of both Romney and Obama campaign offices were in just the then 12 swing states. The few campaign offices in the 38 remaining states were for fund-raising, volunteer phone calls, and arranging travel to battleground states.

  • toto

    Because of state-by-state winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution. . .

    Since World War II, a shift of a few thousand votes in one, two, or three states would have elected the second-place candidate in 4 of the 16 presidential elections

    Policies important to the citizens of non-battleground states are not as highly prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing.

    “Battleground” states receive 7% more presidentially controlled grants than “spectator” states, twice as many presidential disaster declarations, more Superfund enforcement exemptions, and more No Child Left Behind law exemptions.

    Compare the response to hurricane Katrina (in Louisiana, a "safe" state) to the federal response to hurricanes in Florida (a "swing" state) under Presidents of both parties. President Obama took more interest in the BP oil spill, once it reached Florida's shores, after it had first reached Louisiana. Some pandering policy examples include ethanol subsidies, steel tariffs, and Medicare Part D. Policies not given priority, include those most important to non-battleground states - like water issues in the west.

    The interests of battleground states shape innumerable government policies, including, for example, steel quotas imposed by the free-trade president, George W. Bush, from the free-trade party.

    Parochial local considerations of battleground states preoccupy presidential candidates as well as sitting Presidents (contemplating their own reelection or the ascension of their preferred successor).

    Even travel by sitting Presidents and Cabinet members in non-election years is skewed to battleground states

  • toto

    The National Popular Vote bill is 61% of the way to guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency in 2020 to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country, by changing state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), without changing anything in the Constitution, using the built-in method that the Constitution provides for states to make changes.

    All voters would be valued equally in presidential elections, no matter where they live.

    Every vote, everywhere, for every candidate, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election.
    No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps of predictable outcomes.
    No more handful of 'battleground' states (where the two major political parties happen to have similar levels of support among voters) where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in 38+ predictable states that have just been 'spectators' and ignored after the conventions.

    The bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538.
    All of the presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC)—thereby guaranteeing that candidate with an Electoral College majority.

    The bill was approved this year by a unanimous bipartisan House committee vote in both Georgia (16 electoral votes) and Missouri (10).
    The bill has passed 34 state legislative chambers in 23 rural, small, medium, large, red, blue, and purple states with 261 electoral votes.
    The bill has been enacted by 11 small, medium, and large jurisdictions with 165 electoral votes – 61% of the way to guaranteeing the presidency to the candidate with the most popular votes in the country

    NationalPopularVote

  • IamWhateverUsayIam

    damn right it would be who wants her or trump anywhere near our nuclear codes. Both were bad and i would bitch about both.

  • Yardgirl

    I know I am WAY late in replying (stumbled on this by accident!) but I have to say that THIS was my feeling too, I secretly wanted him to win!! Let them mo-fos have at it and make American great again, it's their fight not ours. I will sit back and sip my tea and eat my popcorn. They gon learn!!

  • Inherent chaos

    You go ahead. I will trust the negotiator instead of the deceit maker