protests in London

There has been a significant shift in the way the news media covers the transgender movement. Ever since President Obama left office, the news media has loosened its grip on coverage of opposition to the transgender movement.

Over in London, the British Medical Association has come under fire for ordering its member doctors to stop calling expectant women "mothers" because the word might offend confused women who believe they are men.

British women protested outside the Medical Association's offices this week.

When Obama was still in office, such protests would be ignored by the media which pushed the narrative that the entire world was in favor of erasing women to appease transgenders.

From the protesters:

We demonstrate to express our opposition to that move in the strongest terms.
We see that move as a way to deny women the right to talk about their experience of birth and motherhood.

The word for adult human female is “woman”.
The word for adult human female who is pregnant is “mother”.
THESE ARE NOT DIRTY WORDS!

Only the female of the species can get pregnant and we will not pretend otherwise.
“People” do not get pregnant.
“Men” do not get pregnant.
Noticing and naming biological differences between the sexes is called science, these are biological facts.

Naming biological facts is not “exclusive”
Naming biological facts is not hate speech.
Naming biological facts is not bigotry.
Naming biological facts is not transphobia.
Yet we are all supposed to behave as if knowing and saying how babies are made is hate speech!

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  • Missy

    Where is 'star trek guy w/head in his hand'

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Why is Obama in a write up about Britts .... Chile ??? The man is gone find someone else to blame ... The shyt is looking pathetic yet telling at this point ... Come on now

  • lilred1

    Exactly. Biological FACTS.

  • peribabes

    "When Obama was still in office, such protests would be ignored by the media which pushed the narrative that the entire world was in favor of erasing women to appease transgenders."

    Really Sandra -_-

  • missk85

    What does President Obama have to do with what a whole nother country is doing?

  • hottlanta

    My grandson who is 4 says he is a "boy" and I will not cut off his tongue for saying that.

  • missk85

    I'm confused. They don't want to call mothers "mothers" because a man, who identifies as a woman, will be offended? Did I understand that right?

  • puppylove

    Obama don't even care right now.

  • digital_femme

    Will be 80 years old sitting on a porch with a chamber pot still trying to bitch about Obama. ? By then we'll probably be under Russian rule anyway, so oh well.

  • puppylove

    Yup

  • SWbeauty76

    yep

  • Elevated Soul

    This is the legacy of everyone who has supported the gay agenda because you support the delusions of gays....Now you have these confused men trying to erase the existence of humans BORN FEMALE...

  • Truth

    Sorry, but you tranny's got a mental issue. It's just not normal

  • Ms.Caramel

    Pretty soon we'll all be just a number. The way the devil wants it. He has an agenda and it's working slowly but surely.

  • missk85

    *face palm* I am so over human beings *eye roll* I really thought I wasn't comprehending lol

  • SWbeauty76

    I'm not only confused, but I am confused as hell because I could have sworn that gays, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgenders said that they did not want any special treatment.
    Then why the hell they always starting shit, in order to be treated "special"

  • Jacquelyn Eff

    Because a "woman" who identifies as a man will be offended for being called "mother"

  • lilred1

    Mmm hmm.

  • Carolina Blue
  • Elevated Soul

    Duh....Because he took his support for the homosexual agenda international!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Yeah... I don't disagree with anything they said. #SorryNotSorry

  • puppylove

    But Sandra gay and you on her site.

  • puppylove

    You forgot to italicize

  • Truth

    This tranny and gay agenda is going too far, getting too ridiculous. They are sick.

  • missk85

    but if you identify as a man why would you be with child?

  • Ms.Caramel

    Preach!

  • Carolina Blue

    HA!

  • Elevated Soul

    Sandra is gay but she DOES NOT promote homosexuality....

    The fact that she doesn't infuriate many of you here who are gay...

  • Ms.Caramel

    Truth be told..

  • Truth

    Cutting off genitalia? Or putting a new one on? That's mental.

  • KDub

    Drops this off.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/world/europe/britain-uk-speaker-john-bercow.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    By STEPHEN CASTLE FEB. 6, 2017

    LONDON — Invited just days after his inauguration to make a state visit to Britain, President Trump is expected to travel to London this year to meet Queen Elizabeth II amid all the pomp and ceremony the British can muster.

    But on Monday it seemed that Mr. Trump may have to do without one of the frequent trappings of such a visit — an invitation to address Parliament — after the speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, publicly opposed such an appearance, citing his “opposition to racism and sexism.”

    The comments will embarrass both the British and American governments and add to the controversy over a planned state visit that has attracted opposition in Britain, where more than 1.8 million people have signed a petition urging the government to cancel Mr. Trump’s trip.

  • puppylove

    But, but, but, she insinuates that every woman who isn't public with her relationship is gay.

  • Truth

    The English are out of touch with reality, like most of America it seems.

  • Elevated Soul

    This is why I encourage people to think for self....When you support wrong,it usually goes to the next level.

  • puppylove

    Cheaper than a surrogate.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Chile ????

  • Ms.Caramel

    Because it's of the Devil

  • Elevated Soul

    No she does not...

  • puppylove

    Yes, she does.

  • Ms.Caramel

    Exactly.

  • KDub

    You are a lie.

  • puppylove

    So is getting drunk and according to the black Israelites laying with edomites.

  • Elevated Soul

    The fact that I write in italics really bothers you as well as other simple minded people here,huh?

    Move on loser....

  • Lenina Just Lenina
  • puppylove

    No it does not. I just know that you love it. Was giving you a heads up.

  • KDub

    Move to Canada then

  • Elevated Soul

    Indeed.....

  • Carolina Blue
  • Lenina Just Lenina

    THIS RIGHT HERE YO....

  • Truth

    Why? The people crying about Trump should go.

  • Carolina Blue

    She eats pussy, how is that not promotion?

  • lilred1

    Wonder how many more countries are gonna tell him:"thanks but no thanks." Smh..

  • MsSincerity

    British problems. *exits post*

  • lilred1

    most of America did not vote for him..js

  • KDub

    They are more in touch with reality perhaps. YOUR words. Try somewhere OTHER than HERE or ENGLAND if you do not like it was my suggestion.

  • KDub

    Where is your mother? Where ya daddy? Were you hugged back in 1995 when you were 4?

  • Truth

    That's why have electoral college, so LA and New York don't decide every election.

  • missk85

    see nah. you cant pick and choose when you wanna identify with what you really are. that's taking it too far. too damn.

  • Truth

    This is anti Trump people:

    "We attack people we disagree with to show attacking people you disagree with is wrong".

    Yeah, they ain't stable mentally.

  • puppylove

    Does obsolete mean you blocked me?

  • puppylove

    It is a financial decision. Or maybe the fem cannot carry. Idk cause these ain't my problems.

  • Vonn

    Let me go find my pearls so I can clutch them. This has me crying laughing.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    You're saying that in this post? Where the British are saying that the word "mother" is not a cuss? Really.

  • Truth

    Yeah of course they aren't in touch with reality. This mother thing is ridiculous, now with Trump their being even dumber

  • lilred1

    U mean the same outdated old electoral college that was created by old outdated white men to serve their purpose when need be?

  • puppylove

    Louisana doesn't have that many votes though.

  • Truth

    However you choose to look at it. The extreme liberals that overly populate those cities don't deserve to decide America for everybody.

  • Truth

    Los Angeles

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Please explain. And...no shade, honestly, truly...please don't call ppl dumb and out of touch when you misspell they're. ??

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    ?????

  • Truth

    Sorry for my misspelling teacher. Anyway, the British parliament is like our House of Representatives, they think it's so bad to allow Trump to speak their? They have had radical Muslim leaders speak there, it's ridiculous.

  • puppylove

    But the city of Los Angeles is mixed. And if you look at the county it is even more so. That one area is not swaying the vote. The states of California and New York, yes, but not just those cities.

  • lilred1

    ??

  • Carolina Blue

    Sorry hon

  • Carolina Blue

    Nut

  • KDub

    President Bush wasnt allowed to speak either. do your homework.

  • KDub

    “An address by a foreign leader to both houses of Parliament is not an automatic right; it is an earned honor,” he added, noting “there are many precedents for state visits to take place in our country that do not include an address to both houses of Parliament.”

    Those include President George W. Bush, who visited in 2003 and did not address Parliament."

    Class dismissed.

    And you misspelled their/there/they'are after you were already corrected once. So you might need to report back tomorrow.

  • Indies beauty

    I don't disagree. I am a natural born female with the potential to become a mother. I find power in those words.... being a women is much more than hormones and surgerys.

  • lilred1

    Whether anyone believes they deserve to or not the majority of americans did. The electoral college decided for us.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Halleloo.

  • KDub

    I am sick of these damn folks now. I have TRIED to be nice.

  • Truth

    They always decide for us, that is our constitutionally decided way of government. End of story

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    You know I know. They be poppin up like a period on date night.

  • CCW47

    Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!! Sooooo tired of getting slammed by hormone injected men with tons of make up on and think that they are a female and their supporters.

  • KDub

    Girl. Like kids when you and your man JUST start getting it poppin. Wtf.

  • Truth

    Allowed to speak there
    Allowed to speak there
    Allowed to speak there.

    There you go, you want me to write lines?!

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Like hey!!! What you guys doing??? Having fun??? ? Here. I'm. Is!!!!

  • KDub

    Why did you think he was the only world leader who has not been allowed to speak "there" is the real question? All of you all Trump damn dack riders think he is being given the cold shoulder unfairly. He is not quite THAT special. Im sorry if yall continue to think that. HE JUST AINT.

  • lilred1

    Like the EC just up and picking who gon be our president...

  • Truth

    Azad Ali was apparently special enough to speak at parliament. He is a Muslim that professed his love for Al Qaeda. So the parliament is seriously stupid

  • KDub

    Promise every damn Friday night me and dude clean up and put them in the room, go to ours. Put our music on, be sipping and what not and be having us a merry ole good ass TIME and it never fails. Someone is knocking at the door. Dub12 dad got her a phone for Christmas so now they be TEXTING one of us from her phone AND knocking at the door. What these folks remind me of. Friday night at 11:30 EST at my damn house.

  • KDub

    Keep your enemies CLOSE. I am glad they let him speak. See if he slipped up and said something crazy. Why they need to hear President Trump? What is he going to say that is of ANY use to them?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Rolling!!!!!!!! ???? real tears. Like "here I come!!! [boom boom boom at the doe] Trump a good president!!!! Listen why I got a million reasons. Listen while I read em out."

  • lilred1

    Then u tell them to go SAT down somewhere.. and carry on ?

  • KDub

    One night the knocking started and babe an ass...he turned the damn light off and the music too. What someone need to do to Trump.

  • Truth

    You are glad? That's crazy, all he has is radical propaganda. He's a terrorist. British have been killed on their own soil by crazy Muslims.

    Trump is Americas president, they saying a terrorist is better than him.

  • KDub

    He be yelling through the door. "I DONE TOLD YALL dont START that mess." It be straight hilarity.

  • KDub

    Americans have been killed on our own soil by crazy Muslims. The Irish have been killed on their own soil by crazy Christians. And people in Middle East have been killed on their own soil by both. Your point?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Why do y'all trump fanatics only care about muslims. Real question. I'm gonna use words y'all use for us liberals like "fanatic," "libtard," "snowflake," "deplorable," chit like that so you'll answer this one. White ppl bomb chit in they own country and you guys don't come on this blog saying a dayum word. But you got allllll the facts in the world about Isis n al qaeda. Didn't care when they banned countries that weren't threats, or pinned 9/11 on a country that didn't have nothing to do w it. But don't say nothing bad about the white man!!!

  • lilred1

    ?Yup then be asking each other *whispers* "are they gone?" ?

  • KDub

    Total help me sing

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Wait w me nah. ???

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Oh and to barbeez, truth, elevated soul...I know y'all be getting ghost then coming back when they ain't got no hate rhetoric to spew. I knows it. Turn the music off, turn the lights off, act sleep...?????

  • lilred1

    What we gon do do do do...?

  • Truth

    Muslims and illegals. It's a problem. We have laws, we have had attacks, like 9/11.

  • Truth

    My point is why is it a good idea to invite a supporter of your enemy to speak to your parliament? Are you kidding me?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Yes we have. And with trump, we just might have a civil war or a genocide. You cool with that?

  • dontgetblocked

    Ask Brucette how America feels about transgender or transvestites. The media paints a lie.

  • Truth

    Genocide? On who? By who? Civil war by people who want extreme left wing polices?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    How come you feel this way but you said up top that you don't agree with the British protest about the word "mothers?"

  • dontgetblocked

    There are nearly 70 million people in the United Kingdom and 9 million in the city of London. I don't think anyone is worried about this little petition. America and the UK are allies. They will always support us and as we proved in World War II, we always have their back. Don't let the liberal press fool you.

  • Truth

    What do you mean? Aren't the trannys protesting the word?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Help me out here. Did you read the post? Women and expectant mothers are protesting. Not "trannies."

  • dontgetblocked

    He's the most powerful man on earth. He's your president and as an American, you should not support anyone who disrespects him because they disrespect our country. If you love the UK so much...go live there and good luck getting back into the US.

  • http://www.gogirlastrology.com ThaGuru

    Yup. Glad to read something positive for a change!

  • Truth

    Right, but to begin with, it was representatives of trannies that wanted to ban the word mother because it might offend them. These women are right to protest that.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Per alt-right extremist Richard Spencer (and oh, please do tell, what exactly are extreme left-wing policies? Gay marriage and LGBT rights? Obamacare? Do tell)... https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a343b9e7feb4eb49adf0db2a777a0d4cd50df092b8697bd022dc00836012ad3d.jpg and also, he pointed out that you guys who support trump and don't like this idea are soft in his other tweets. Trump and his trolls love to tweet, huh.

  • Truth

    Left wing polices, allow illegal immigrants to have sanctuary here, allow radical Muslims to come here unvetted.

    This is traditional anti trump behavior: "We are going to attack people who disagree with us because we believe attacking people you disagree with is wrong".

    Complete insanity.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    But didn't you just agree with my post below?

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    People get so tight and condescending when you correct their grammar. Like shat, I'm just trying to help you make your point land effectively... Say Thank You muhfukka!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    It's like there are two different people typing under the same font/username.

    In other news, I look forward to RHOA and Kandi's fake tears about having a sex dungeon is so detrimental to her reputation. Smh.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Sis....???

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    Ya'll have got to stop classifying these people as "crazy Muslims" and rather as crazy religious fanatics... These terroristic actions are not a reflection of specifically being Muslim.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    ??????????????????

  • Blaque Mahogany
  • Truth

    I am against them banning the word mother. I support the women protesting

  • Truth

    Girl please, let's not pretend we are so innocent.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    How is it a problem to freely allow Earthlings to fully roam their home which is Earth? What the fawk is an "illegal"?! I wanna see the formal deed and ownership papers for these countries.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    What in ALL the phucks.....

  • Truth

    Yes it is specific to Muslim

  • Truth

    Haha, oh right, let's just ignore our laws and our constitution let anything go, right? Let more crime and drugs poor in, ignore immigration law. Please

  • Blaque Mahogany

    I read an excerpt of her story. They were both drunk and they went to his home. He took her clothes off and had sex. She wasn't lucid enough to say no, but she was lucid enough to count the seconds in 2 hrs. All 7,200.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    How do you feel about Japanese people

  • Truth

    No problem. WW2 was over 70 years ago.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    You need to spend more time questioning the actual purpose and point of even having a cesspool system that has been proven to only produce ineffective results. Do you feel that insecure thinking for yourself? Do you not find it to be an insult in having someone less educated than yourself and with less expectation of a critical thinking standard to enforce these laws that you speak of? How do you feel comfortable in a modern society blindly following a document (the Constitution) that was constructed on the principal of dishonesty and oppression? Have you forgotten that these men were the original theives of this country and only drafted documents to weild their unearned, blood spilled power? Like, I am so serious when I ask what is wrong with you?

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    Domestic terrorism? Nothing on crazy Americans tho?

  • Truth

    Absolutely. Currently our biggest terrorism threat is Muslims that are already born here or are citizens, like on Orlando, San Bernardino.

  • Truth

    I am all ears as to your current solution to our problems. What? Rip up all our laws? Anarchy?

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    Clearly you have never read the Koran... So, much like the liberals that you dislike, you as well are fearful and lashing out to that which you don't understand. You have so much work to do on both your intellectual quotient (IQ) as well as your emotional quotient (EQ).

  • Truth
  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    You could never handle my level of realness. Don't ask for something that you're so clearly unable to understand.
    One day, in not the too distant future, our society will destroy itself and we will return to the survival of the fittest. I will be leading the fit group. Your type will not be missed.

  • Joi Calloway

    This is 1 of the only time Sandra Rose you hit it on the nose! Amen to their protest!

  • Truth

    Oh please, I'd love to hear your solution.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    You are so lost without direction, organization, and rules. It is sad that you have no reference or high level thinking abilities how to self decifer translations of old language. Based on the verbatim semantics of the Bible I am not supposed to sleep in the bed nor sit on any chairs when I am menstruating... Let me assure you (as your parents clearly failed to do) it REALLY is okay to think for yourself and allow information to penetrate you with subjective/individual meaning.

  • Truth

    Their actions speak for themselves. Throughout history, the beheadings, the attacks.

  • Truth

    Their actions speak for themselves. Throughout history, the beheadings, the attacks.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    You have zero confidence in your own survival without rules and a handbook. We are not the same. I can't waste jewels on your type.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    You have zero confidence in your own survival without rules and a handbook. We are not the same. I can't waste jewels on your type.

  • Truth

    Please, I would seriously consider what you think.

  • Truth

    Please, I would seriously consider what you think.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    What channel do you tune into to witness the actions of ALL Muslims, I'd be interested in watching that channel... Based on your infantile reasoning White people are incestrious, lying, rapists, theives with sadistic values and weak skin that can only become a dominant force through oppression; genocide; and cooking the books that they make themselves. Their actions speak for themselves.

  • Truth

    What is it you'd like to hear from me? This is tiring

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Glenn Jones needs his own unsung..

  • chococherry

    Damn lol.

  • Anunnaki

    For the Christians their bible do say woe to them who call evil good and good, evil. But I don't think church preach this.....oh well..

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Chauncey all petty and never went as far as Dave.

  • Carolina Blue

    Who

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    He's a singer from the 80's

  • nick c

    It pouring down where you are at lol?

  • Carolina Blue

    Idk...im at work. It looked like it had rained earlier.

  • Carolina Blue

    Ok let me google. I couldve just did that from the start lol...

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Lol that's OK

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    ?? uhhruh

  • KDub

    You are so clueless. You been schooled by me once on clueless too little girl. What part of this don't you get?

    "an invitation to address Parliament — after the speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, publicly opposed such an appearance, citing his “opposition to racism and sexism.”

    The head person in charge in addition to the millions of folks said HELL naw. This is a no you can't come to ME.

  • KDub

    Nope. I'm here. Been here since they lazy asses captured my folks in Africa and dropped us off in Mobile. Then some more greedy lazy ass white FUKS came there...and took us to a plantation and worked us to build stuff for Gov George Wallace folk. his EVIL white ass is one of world's most famous racists. He ranks with damn Hilter. So excuse ME if I'm too tired to take a trip ANY WHERE. This my damn country. Get YOUR ass out.

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Omg I take a break then come back to more trumpettes lol. I can't block some of them fast enough

  • KDub

    I'm pist!

  • Wolfperm

    WTF does this have to do with Obama. Still ignorant.

  • Seek Truth Speak Truth

    Why? Because they equate being Muslim with being black.

  • Seek Truth Speak Truth

    Replace this racist constitution that upholds white supremacy with the doctrine of justice for all to all BY all.

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    ????????????????????

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    ????????????????????

  • Lenina Just Lenina

    ????????????????????

  • morenYAHdelsur

    I can't believe this is even an issue! What in THE entire fcuk?!

  • Michelle

    F@@k them!

  • morenYAHdelsur

    Haaa!!! LOL tell it!!!

  • doubledee

    who? The protesters or the trans who don't want doctors using biological words to describe natural born women?

  • Missy

    Thanks!!

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    STANDING OVATION.

  • ?Patty Kakes?

    This is the kind of stuff that makes people not like nor try to understand transgender people. Thay are always asking for too much. This is the way I feel shut ya fukkc'n mouth. If they don't change the Constitution what make you think that they are gonna change the world for you. I'm sick of them complaining they have much more pressing issues than what to call a a pregnant woman that wants to be man. That within itself is enough to make you disgusted. The gays never try and think about others. Always talking about what THEY want.???

  • KIR12

    Keep bringing the fire!!!

  • KIR12

    First go fight for the countries where these immigrants come from to open their borders to everyone. Once those countries start letting in poorer immigrants from other countries, then and only then can you demand that this country opened its borders to all. Ni66as go take these victimization classes and graduate with these worthless SJW degrees and then start putting ideology and theory ahead of FEEDING their family and their own SELF PRESERVATION.

    Pimping doesn't only take place on street corners and bars. It also takes place in classes, lecture halls, pulpits, books and pamphlets.

  • peribabes

    right! lol she really needs to let him LIVE! Obama ain't thinking abt Sandy or any of the problems we are going through at this point

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Glad you're back though. I missy'd my sissy.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    It is so weird that you humans believe in the notion of "land borders". Like, come on... The shiit makes no fukking sense at all. Travel regulations? "Illegals"? What the fukk are ya'll really talking about? I was born to Earth. Earth is my home. I should be able to freely roam my home unrestricted. What is the real harm in that? All humans are inately destructive and fight through our hedonistic "Id" to do the socially expected "right thing", land borders will never change nor control that. This whole conversation is redundant and reductive, not to mention disappointing.

  • Queen of EVERYTHING

    My Bachelor's in biology; Master's in microbiology and virology as well as my PhD in pathology are not classified as SJW degrees nor am I classified as a ni66a. Please don't displace your personal feelings about self onto others.

  • Tequila Mockingbird

    So it's offensive to call them mothers when they think they're men but it's not offensive to actual women who are mothers by saying mother is a dirty word? Disgusting!

  • Tequila Mockingbird

    This is one protest I could get behind!

  • Tequila Mockingbird

    And makeup and dresses

  • Tequila Mockingbird

    It's even sillier when they still have their peen and want to be called a woman.

  • CCW47

    Right. Crazy

  • da troof

    because he pushed all this to the forefront. its to the point where us taxpayers had to pay for the convicted spy, Manning's, female hormones while he was in jail. his whole presidency was spent on gay rights. it will be his lasting legacy. the only one.

  • Wolfperm

    Your mind is just as defective as Drumpfs if you actually believe all of that irrelevant b s justifies anything that fraudulent/illegitimate maniac pretending to be president and his puppet master has done in the past three weeks.

  • da troof

    thats great but i voted for barry twice

  • Wolfperm

    Barry wasn't a candidate in this past election. Stay focused and stop deflecting.

  • da troof

    i dont have to deflect, homie, you aren't much of a challenge. dont flatter yourself

  • Wolfperm

    We all have options. You can always bypass my reply link and post your own ish.

  • Emily post

    This is what we have to look forward to in America... They are already socializing and normalizing all kinds of tragic..