PLUS Model Magazine editor and part-owner Maddy Jones was kind enough to reach out to Sandrarose.com yesterday to clarify the ongoing debate about plus-size women, such as Bajan singer Rihanna and model Ashley Graham, pictured at the AOL Build on Wednesday in NYC.

Ms. Jones responded to my posts about Rihanna who, like Ashley, is now a role model for plus-size women.

According to the latest statistics, more than 2 in 3 adults are overweight or obese. The stats includes the blog owner and many of my readers who emailed me expressing their negative views about being overweight.

My hope is that this debate will lead to more positive attitudes and stop body shaming overweight individuals.

Ms. Jones writes:

Hi Sandra,

My name is Maddy Jones, the editor and part owner of PLUS Model Magazine.

One of my contributors alerted me to this article where PLUS Model Magazine is quoted without a link to where we said it. I started the magazine 11 years ago, and while I can't remember everything that we have ever written, our beliefs about sizing in the plus size industry is VERY different than what was quoted.

The plus size industry works with models as small as size 6, but PLUS Model Magazine believes that plus size begins at a size 12/14. This is where most plus size fashion brands begin offering clothing to us.

We have been pushing for size diversity for many years. See below:

Plus-Size Bodies - What is Wrong With Them Anyway?

Size Model Magazine Fights Body Shaming

The plus size modeling industry is certainly changing thanks to the outpouring of support for campaigns who offer size diversity such as the #ThisBody from Lane Bryant, but we still have a long way to go. If you are ever looking to quote PLUS Model Magazine please feel free to reach out to me directly. And if you have the link to where you pulled the quote I would love to see it. Thank you for your time.

Best,

Madeline Figueroa Jones
Editor
PLUS Model Magazine
www.plus-model-mag.com

Photos by H&HJDHIMAGEZ.COM / Splash News, Rick Davis / Splash News

  • Soda
  • Coy little wink
  • JV

    This is Grade-A trolling. So funny.

  • tintin

    "My hope is that this debate will lead to more positive attitudes and stop body shaming overweight individuals"

    But Sandra, you're the one body-shaming. And Rihanna is now way the same size as the girl above.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    But, how do you not research what you put you in your own magazine. " I mean I don't remember saying, but if I did, I have since changed my mind and here is a link to my new ideology."

    That girl up top is what black men would call thick. Idc about any of this though. At all.

  • Coy little wink

    Her husband is black ?

  • VanillaCaramel2shotsExpresso

    Thanks for addressing this issue. Rihanna looks great thicker; however; it will be interesting to see if she retains this for future and current modeling jobs. Right now she is embracing her size amid pregnancy rumors she seemed to stop that by baring a little midriff this week. We should be more upset with the industry for saying the average size woman should go in the plus-size I need the first place! I was appalled that a size 6 was the smallest size the industry worked with!!! Wow!

  • Freeriah

    Rihanna is bad as hell. She's a good thick. Ashley is sloppy and has a wide flat butt! I love her confidence though. I wasn't surprised when I heard she was married to a black man. They like women with a little more meat on their bones.

  • PlayerP

    I like that skirt and those shoes.

  • Greatgrape37

    She looks so good! I love her outfit

  • Soda

    Sloppy?

  • Kim’s Original Face

    Ash looks cute up there...

    IDC if you think RIH overweight and/or plus size...She is not but you keep posting about it *Insert agony emoji* Leave that woman alone..people cant gain a little bit of weight without being called out sheesh!

  • MsPam

    Can we move on about this damn!!!

  • TooMuchTea

    Lol, this has been a running theme for the last few weeks. Enough already!!

  • Vonn

    This white girl is plus size, Ri is not.

  • Mrs.Meenie

    Uh oo...Sandy she called you out! ? I know you ain't gonna take that, post the link and put this to rest ? This been going on for weeks already!

  • Yardgirl

    Can we stop beating this dead horse!! Ashley IS plus size and no matter how you spin it Rihanna is NOT!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Sandra has obsessive compulsive disorder.

  • Renee Bee

    Those shoes are bomb!

  • SingleGalCrazyWorld
  • SingleGalCrazyWorld

    That girl far from sloppy the reach was strong with that one...

  • TheWildChild

    Exactly ??

  • Renee Bee

    Whatever the size of your jelly own and embrace it.

  • Dowoop

    Yes, i'd like to see where she sourced her quote from. I would think she would have included it in the write up.

  • Dowoop

    Nice try!

  • Mojo2

    Yup, RiRi has packed on some extra jelly but I would not call her plus sized.

  • Anunnaki

    "The plus size industry works with models as small as size 6"

    Im obese https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f93a2df8e4fb225bc2bfabdc6838683e6daec8449296d2050538be3325b2cae.jpg

  • TheWildChild

    Based on what this mag stated back in 2012, Rihanna is a candidate for the plus size population. ?.... But what needs to be addressed are all these retailers who are selling phantom sizes, larger fit than average, for profit. ? Ann Taylor, New York and company, Tommy Bahama, etc.

  • Shay

    Thank you!

  • TheWildChild

    Not Sloppy ? ? Maybe Fluffy, Slim-Thick, Buick-built, Chunky-flyy or Extra. But not sloppy.

  • Noirluv45

    THIS!^^^

  • TheWildChild
  • Noirluv45

    What gets me is that a group of people sit around and decide who is what and what is desirable. Then they put a label on it and SOME people base their self-esteem on what someone else (the fashion industry) says.

  • Coy little wink

    Phantom sizes...interesting

  • Elle

    "My hope is that this debate will lead to more positive attitudes and stop body shaming overweight individuals."

    But I thought you started it in the first place by calling her plus size..in the article's TITLE? When "Rihanna" would have been more than sufficient. But what I do take away from this article is that you misquoted PLUS Model Magazine and they called you out on it. Good spin on it all though LOL

  • Bee jaay Cee

    Plus size is a category to market for money...I'm sick of these terms body shaming...victim shaming. Lose some damn weight! Overweight is not healthy!!!!!!! A friend just died a few days ago from being 'plus size'. She leaves kids, and grandchildren who's mother died from domestic violence. Those shoes are cute but we all know she can only walk in them for about 15-20 minutes. All that weight causes bunions, knee problems, arthritis...you name it. Lose some damn weight!

  • NeverSurprised

    That's it in a nutshell.

  • Quitedeliteful

    Based on the calculations of the plus-size industry I'm considered 'circus fat'...

  • Quitedeliteful

    LOLLOLLLOL!!!!!

  • Quitedeliteful

    LOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!!!!

  • Torae

    Plus size to me is someone who belly is hanging over their pants and their bodies are not proportioned. It seems like all the plus size models have the same body type Tall hour glass shape. This is normal but the industry considers it plus size????? They need to show plus size models with diff body shapes, heights and sizes...

  • primadutch

    Get your eye fixed first...ijs

  • starbright9449

    What is there for her to lose, her gut isn't hanging over her skirt, she's not big as a house. Wtf???

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Again, plus-size is not negative. I didn't call her fat or obese.

  • starbright9449

    Mind you my sister's skinny co-worker is a diabetic and at risk for heart disease. The bish is 32 and doesn't even look 110lbs. Y'all kill me. ????

  • Anunnaki

    me tooooo, lol I know Blk women cannot possible go by their standards

  • Freeriah

    Very sloppy and full of cellulite

  • Freeriah

    It wasn't a try it was my opinion

  • Freeriah

    That's s my opinion and I'm sticking to it. All that cellulite makes her sloppy!!!

  • http://ivyleaguelove.tumblr.com/ Applebootay

    I'm overweight at a 12/14 according to the government standards and recently I've had a complete blood work and thyroid, etc...and I'm healthy no illnesses or diseases...and I'm in my 40s...I know people who appear thin or not over weight with a host of problems...TYPE 2 (they wasn't born with diabetes) I never get sick...my girlfiend is a 4 and is always suffering from some kind of cold or something.....I just wish people would stop saying ignorant shat about being overweight...because overweight doesn't...equate to health problems...even an idiot knows that....

    and if you're a phucking shoe size 2 and skinny, wearing high heels ISNT GOOD FOR ANYBODY KNEES OR FEET>..>>>REGARDLESS>...

  • Oh Tommie

    I would prefer to see Candice Kelly instead of Ashley Graham

  • http://ivyleaguelove.tumblr.com/ Applebootay

    Yup...aint nothing wrong with a muffin top....that's where the money at!!! LOL

  • Chaseboogie The Prince

    The whole plus size, thick, etc., is about women who are bigger than average but don't want to be called that. It doesn't matter your size, shape, look, etc, own it, embrace it, love it. It's not about what other people call you, it's what you call yourself.

  • shelly

    When you white is plus size when you are Black it's obese, fat, unhealthy I could go on

  • TeeTee

    Torrid.

  • ?Patty Kakes?

    I have till yet to see a true black womans shape in a magazine. I'm a size 8 but from the waist down I'm a 10 to a 12. Show me more of that

  • Nessa

    She's not light enough for these huge companies to market!!

  • C Mack

    Long story short, Rih ain't plus-sized. Let that vendetta go, Sandy

  • Lisa daniels

    It's all fun and games until someone loss an eye.

  • Lisa daniels

    Exactly

  • Lisa daniels

    She pregnant and hiding now leave her alone.

  • Coco

    I hate how the body positive movement is now a white women thing in the media, while black women have been "body positive" in real life forever.

  • Luvn_it
  • Nessa

    Completely agree

  • Coco

    She is. Have you Ever seen her untouched bikini/ lingerie photos?

  • SDot

    Cutie!

  • Quitedeliteful

    Nope! As long as I can stay healthy and look good in my clothes, I'm good.....

  • Alisa

    WTH does she know about true plus women. It baffles me how not a one has a stomach. Stomach just as flat. That's the only type I see are in the modeling industry. They are over industry requirements which is a size 8, forgot the measurement of waist/ hip/ thighs. But these so called plus women are normal shape for the average woman. Size 8 you are plus size then a modeling agency exploited fat shaming and saw dollar signs and started an agency. Beverly Johnson her daughter was a plus model dont know if she still is.
    But I was a model for years 11th grade and put off college for 2 yrs then I couldn't take seeing the requirements and how new girls were bullied. And they were young and nowhere near fat. Weigh in was on Fridays then it was every day. If you cant see their collarbone your out. Once breast start getting big your out. If they can't feel Rib bone when you inhale pack your stuff. That's why models are young and they started using young boys. It's the agency you hv to keep happy and then you hv to hv the body the designer wants. They did coke, adderall to stay up and Xanax to come down. Young girls exposed to the adult world. I saw they started promoting Ana that's when I knew I had to go.

  • Kayke

    It seems they cater to active plus size women

  • TheOwley

    The women of larger sizes do not want differences noted because with that, a label will follow. The ones in social media and magazines like Ashley who want to be on equal plane to those runway models want words like above average/normal, plus, etc. to be eliminated for clothing sizes and how they are viewed by the world. Anything less is now called fat shaming and code to call out anyone who says/sees any differences. For example we call a size 8 a size 8 but size 16, is not size 16, it is 16 plus. Models like Ashley want the word "models" to be used as it corresponds to her, not plus. Particularly with models, their message is that they are all models showing various sizing in clothes. The Paris people make their stuff in an impossible size 2. The real world identifies with sizes 11 to 16. I said 11 to 16, not a "healthy 11 to 16." See that? I'm not upsetting the over 16 folks.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48fb76e76e118ada506a8c86a0ca93d9fff8516e18ce348accaeae7361235446.jpg

    Do you see any differences here? I think the message is that based on diversity, you are not supposed to. Like everything else, it's slow conditioning of people. It's what I understand from this debate.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Sandra is turning into a 'chubby chaser' excuse me a fan of plus sized women.
    Ha,ha,ha!!!

  • KarmaBackAround

    Whole point is rihanna is a size 10..u were sooo off for saying she is plus sized.. The young lady above is plus sized..glad this is deaded now..

  • SingleGalCrazyWorld

    Yeah I have an shes not sloppy. If she was im sure she wouldnt have that fine ass husband she got but to each its own. You must be skinny so it doesn't apply to you at all...

  • ?Patty Kakes?

    ???

  • Oh Tommie

    I'm talking about the pictures in this post ?

  • Lisa daniels

    Chile.

  • Shaun M

    True!

  • dontgetblocked

    Plus size will never be attractive. Rihanna is starting to be plus-size. It is what it is.

  • jayroe44

    so basically, she's saying that plus size can be as small as size 6, but the magazine usually works with 12/14. Therefore Sandra and I were right, she's plus sized. lol but who cares, she's still beautiful.

  • BrittBrat2005

    Thank You! People who don't see what they saying, Plus or overweight people don't need to be reminded every second they overweight, you don't think they know that by now its their body.. Some probably don't even wanna be plus size but it may be genetics or medical problems they trying embrace it like other people are..

  • Malcom Flex

    Most black women are fat, period. Damn calling it plus size thick or dangerous curves. Nothing cute about morbid obesity.

  • Arrissasso

    Rihanna plus sized? She definitely isn't plus sized, and find it hard to believe she's a size 10. In what EU sizing? That would mean she's like a US 6/8 (barely.) I am not anywhere big (0/24 in pants, xs) but when I traveled overseas I fit into mostly M sometimes L lol. She is getting older and the munchies ? eventually catch up with all of us. When it's a constant cycle of losing weight and then loading back up it makes the fat go to unwanted areas like our face. Besides she always bulks up for that carnivale like Bahamian (bajan?) festival every summer. This girl must have guts of steel the way ppl are always trashing her, as an illuminsti princess to dating all of hwo to now being obese lol. I like her dgaf attitude and some songs although Beyonce wins because looks like she is a sweetie and I don't trust home wreckers.

  • Jussjess25

    Dont compare us to your mother! Malcom..

  • Jussjess25

    She is but she look great tho!

  • Bee jaay Cee

    The fact that skinny people get sick too still does not negate the fact that overweight is unhealthy. My mom lived longer than her sisters. One was skinny and died of a stroke. My sis said...mama is healthier than her remaining sIsters. I said No! because she was Obese. Her sisters used to smoke and drink..my mom stopped smoking when we were young. Well...we lost my mom 2 years ago from. complications from obesity. So...do what you want. Just trying to help save lives if possible!

  • Bee jaay Cee

    Yeah and my ex employer (a relative) sent an employee to get a new health screening. She was overweight and had that dark skin patch on her face like Cedrick the Entertainer (I see he has lost weight). She had just lost a sister to complications of obesity...well this person got attitude about her weight but went reluctantly. The next day she called to say that the health screening saved her life. BP was so high that she was getting ready to have a stroke!

  • Freeriah

    That fine husband she has will probably take a glorify anyone that's not black.

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    Not in my Black Women circles.

  • Zeta Phi Beta 1920

    Don't the plus size models do lipo & tummy tucks? Because there is no way to be Plus Size & NOT have a tummy.

  • http://ivyleaguelove.tumblr.com/ Applebootay

    SORRY FOR YOU LOSS....MY CONDOLENCES>>>>
    NO ONE SAID IT NEGATED IT>>>>>>IT JUST DOESN'T VALIDATE IT EITHER>.>>>OBESITY and Being OVERWEIGHT are 2 VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.....

  • Noladarling

    The article should be titled: Proving I Am Right Although I am Dead Wrong. There are many factors at play when determining clothing sizes and it should be pointed out that there is not a standard. A size 10 at Calvin Klein is not the same as a size 10 at Gucci. Also, one must factor in someone's height and weight.

    It's clear that Sandra Rose will do whatever is necessary for clicks including stating her own weight in an attempt to seem superior. There was no need to mention Rihanna's weight in the first place and the attempt to validate being petty just makes Sandra Rose look worse.