Jack Phillips

The U.S. Supreme Court sided with a Colorado baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. The justices voted 7-2 in favor of Jack Phillips who declined to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple in 2012.

The 2 dissenting Justices were Obama appointees Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor.

The Supreme Court agreed to hear the case last year after a Colorado state appeals court upheld a Colorado Civil Rights Commission 2015 ruling that Phillips could not object to baking a wedding cake if it violated his religious principles.

Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins

Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins visited Phillips' Masterpiece Cakeshop in 2012 to order a wedding cake. But Phillips declined to bake the cake after they told him the cake was for their same-sex wedding.

Craig and Mullins complained to the Colorado commission that Phillips violated their civil rights.

After hearing arguments in December, Justice Anthony Kennedy said he was troubled by some of the language in the original Colorado commission ruling.

Justice Kennedy said the commission seemed “neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips’ religious beliefs,"

He made the same observation in Monday's ruling.

“The commission’s hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment’s guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion,” he wrote.

The SCOTUS did not address the larger issue that business can refuse to participate in gay ceremonies if it violates their religious belief.

The court will address that issue at a later date.

The reaction to Monday's Supreme Court's ruling was mixed on Twitter.com.

"Remember everyone, if you have a "sincerely held religious belief" against someone wearing a MAGA hat, you no longer have to provide service to them," one user tweeted. He added: "Anyone who has a problem with that should be against the Supreme Court's ruling today. It works both ways."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    I guess that’s how the cookie crumbles

  • Vonn

    I wouldn't trust a ? from someone that didn't want to make it. It may have ended up being an "eat my sh!t" cake.

  • Gloria

    I'm an ally for the LGBTQ community but have to say that I agree with the Supreme Court's decision.
    Everyone should have the liberty to withhold services that go against their own personal values and beliefs.
    Just go to another bakery and keep it moving.
    Stop making everything more than what it actually is.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!
  • Meme

    Legitimate reasonable religious beliefs need to be respected. I wouldn't expect a Muslim baker to bake my pork pies for me

  • Alicia.Ashe

    I bet jacks cake taste like shit. You don’t want your cake made by anyone who has an issue with you.

  • FukkFolks2018

    This is different from the hillbilly marriage license clerk who refused to marry gay couples. Jack is not a public servant. He is a private biz owner. I dont get why they just couldnt find someone else to do a cake and caused all this stink for him.

  • TrollingStoned

    Tf MLK doing on that poster ? Lol. It’s his bakery his choice ??????????????? Support those who support you I guess

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    what's the backstory here? did they intentionally ask him because they knew in advance that he'd decline, or did they innocently seek his services simply because he was the best at what he does? just curious...
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9eb2b76e506e38d5072dd1cf3ad262774eb5ffcb7856de93eefa3205f33fbcb1.gif

  • FukkFolks2018

    All of this

  • Vonn

    Exactly, why give money to a business that doesn't support you. Fugg em.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    hilarious!

  • Connie

    "The 2 dissenting Justices were Obama appointees Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor"
    __________________________________________________________
    Since you never always know with Sandra, and before I say anything, is this fact or shade??

  • RespectSelf

    But seriously... just respect folks like u want to respected

  • ?Patty Kakes?

    This should have never been taken that far. You can NOT make anyone do anything that they don't wanna do. I love gay people but not everybody's trying to get at you

  • Vonn

    Does this dude look like a weathered and worn Woody Harrelson to anyone else?

  • Karen Brady

    No you didn't. :-)

  • Karen Brady

    People have the right to believe or not believe, support or not support. He didn't murder anyone. To each his own chile.

  • Kemi

    Take your money/business elsewhere that’s going to cater to your beliefs or sexual orientation. He’s a private business owner and have the same right to decline service(s) based upon his religious beliefs/freedom. Just like a bar/ club that refuses service or entrance to patrons who didn’t follow their dress codes.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Today's court decision would've gone in favor of the gay couple if Clinton was president.

  • Karen Brady

    smh. just smh sis

  • Karen Brady

    Get up and stop laughing

  • pecancandy

    Same thing I was tryna figa out dude look mo like a cattle herder than a cake baker

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    i caint.... these chirren be catching me off guard, smh
    LOL!

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    U mad at me? What I do

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    Hey Nancy

  • NuBeauty

    LOL, yesssssss

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    Go where u are approved not declined. Why give your money to someone who don’t want it. If ppl don’t want the money they serious

  • Strip Club Veteran

    Glad this worked out how it did. Mfs feel like because they like the same sex they should get special privileges. Hell he can deny anyone service if he so choose.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    not now Vanna.... not now.... you making my head hurt, LOL!!!!

  • Kemi

    Probably so under any biased regime, where equal rights is one sided.

  • Coy little wink

    Chile...common sense. I can't believe this required supreme court to weigh in...his bakery his choice...

    Why they up there looking so melodramatic...FOH like seriously...waste of time energy and resources...

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    You've never lived in a really rural conservative part of the country were not everyone has transportation, have you?
    I have.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    so, have they postponed the wedding until this man is forced to bake them a cake, or have they moved on with their life? did one of them get a fav auntie to bake a cake instead? did the cake fairy bake them a cake? this story needs more follow-up to make it interesting...

  • NuBeauty

    Much time they put into getting a case and going to the Supreme Court....why did you just find another bakery??? Lol, sometimes people think they're taking a stand but doing nothing other than wasting time and energy. Okay, he won't do it, im pretty sure somebody else would.....BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS......since they're in Colorado....can the baker put some "Green Magic" in the wedding cakes, LMAO????????

  • Kanyade

    Bake. Your. Own. Cake.
    Ask. Someone. Else. To. Bake. Your. Cake.
    This ain't what's gon' get you and yourn equality on the Supreme Court level.
    Nerp. Nope. Try again.

  • FukkFolks2018

    This is the suburbs of Denver. 18th most populous city in America. And not very conservative if weed is legal there. Im not buying they dont have other choices OR transportation there. the past THREE companies I have been at have a Denver office.

  • FukkFolks2018

    I clapped it out after each period in the first and second row of your comment

  • tia

    Good one!! But true...

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    then they should take that custom cake money and put it towards a car, LOL! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/276beb9984df134739ac99cdd665e8dffd171e0eaae9b6912c911c5a19493ea6.gif

  • FukkFolks2018

    This too. they got their priorities fukked up if they are having a whole ass wedding vs transportation. IJS

  • Cannelle

    I thought Ruth Bader Ginsburg was appointed by Clinton.

  • Simone

    1. Sonia Maria Sotomayor was appointed by President Obama. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was appointed by President Clinton. 2. A Christian baker refusing to bake a cake for a marriage ceremony for a gay couple is not about discrimination because that same baker will bake a cake for a gay man's birthday but not for a marriage ceremony because Christians do not support same-sex marriage based on our religious beliefs. A Christian baker does not deny service solely because you're gay. The Supreme Court got this one right!

  • Simone

    Sonia Maria Sotomayor was appointed by President Obama. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was appointed by President Clinton

  • Vonn

    That too!

  • jade

    Right, this is a privately owned business. He can even refuse to serve people on the basis of race if he wanted to.

  • Carrington

    It's all fun and games until someone tells one of your asses that their religious beliefs doesn't allow them to serve the coloreds...

  • MsPam

    If people want what they want, they should go get a baker’s maker! Do y’all remember having one of them back in the day! ?

  • FukkFolks2018

    Once you call me a colored or refuse to serve me bc you feel like I am then I dont need to eat there anyways. I dont feel safe with you serving my food after that and here in again is where the whole go someplace else comes in at.

  • SpillyNillie

    I thought long and hard about this- reason why I held my comment. Not sure how I would react if Jack told me he wasn't baking a cake for my black ass...

  • jazmine

    Imagine if you as a black person were to be forced to bake a cake for the KKK. Its the same, yall offend that man he dont wanna cook for you get over it

  • JV

    Very good take.

  • JV

    Nah, it was a 7-2 decision. Pretty decisive.

  • Carrington

    That's besides the point. The issue is that you have the right to do it. I don't want to eat where you don't want to serve me either, but I want the same rights that everyone else has to pass your ass up. So, what happens if several restaurants and businesses adopt this policy? Effectively, legal segregation and discrimination is back in play.

  • Evillene

    Or if instead of a gay couple it was an interracial couple.

  • Evillene

    Before the Civil Rights Act, people could discriminate against blacks because of "religious beliefs." This is the same thing -- religion as a pretext for hate-based discrimination. All the man had to do was HIS JOB and bake a f*cking cake. Instead he chose to discriminate.

  • Phillybruh

    The decision was based on his religion, the KKK would be forced to bake the cake.

  • Evillene

    Is being free from hate-based discrimination a "special privilege"?

  • Phillybruh

    Until the baker says my bible says not too serve blacks.

  • Phillybruh

    Its not special privileges, its the same ones you have.

  • Phillybruh

    It was the latter, they were long time customers.

  • JV

    I don't think so. This court case really just punted on the whole issue actually. It was more about phrasing than anything else. For example, the Colorado Civil Rights Division said this initially when they ruled against the baker:

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    "Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the holocaust, whether it be—I mean, we—we can list hundreds of situations where freedom of religion has been used to justify discrimination. And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to—to use their religion to hurt others."

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    Justice Kennedy, who can be described as moderate, found that description to be an affront on the baker's religion, and in so being a violation of his rights:

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    "To describe a man’s faith as ‘one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use is to disparage his religion in at least two distinct ways: by describing it as despicable, and also by characterizing it as merely rhetorical—something insubstantial and even insincere.”
    ------------------
    In short: this was more about a technicality than anything else, not likely to set any kind of precedence. In other words, if the argument AGAINST the baker was stronger, this might have gone another way. That's the key point here. (Sorry for the lengthy post!)

  • Evillene

    Damn! Based on the comments here, I guess some of y'all would've told Rosa Parks to stop all the foolishness and just take her black @ss to the back of that bus in Alabama.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    maybe because they're new to marriage, but like any other financially 'challenged' betrothed couple, they need to remember that they gotta live After the wedding is over!

  • Phillybruh

    Well no discriminating against gays is what brings blacks and whites together.

  • JENNYJONES1

    EXACTLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ENOUGH OF FORCING THEIR BELIEFS, SEXUAL PREFERENCES ON OTHERS OR FORCING PEOPLE TO DO SERVICES THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ESP FOOD ITEMS. I LOVE PRES. OBAMA BUT HIS ADMIN MADE THIS COUNTRY TOOOOO SENSITIVE AND GAVE EVERYONE THE RIGHTS TO SUE OVER EVERYTHING. HELL GROWN MEN CAN USE THE BATHROOM WITH OUR LITTLE GIRLS AND WOMEN BEING CALLED 'MOTHERS' IS OFFENSIVE TO TRANSGENDER WOMEN. GTFOH!!!...........JENNY JONES!!!

  • the guest

    All around the world EVERYBODY still discriminates against and refuse to serve, rent to, sell to, accept, welcome, even clergy refusing to marry mixed couples. Mixed couple, yes even lawfully wedded straight Christian married couples with children, move and relocate more than any other American demographic because they are always keeping it moving when not accepted.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    so they may have known that he wouldn't be keen to bake them a groom-groom cake?

  • JENNYJONES1

    UMM WHO ARE THE COLOREDS???? LOL!!!..........JENNY JONES!!!

  • Phillybruh

    I wouldn't go that far, long time customers, money still spends. I don't know the doughnut mans religious belief nor should they get in the way of you making my doughnut when you find out I'm sharing them with my partner,

  • Phillybruh

    I mean its the principle. What does your Jesus have to do with my making my vanilla wedding cake. Let me answer to god when I get there, I'm sure you won't be penalized for baking the damn cake.

  • FukkFolks2018

    Luckily for us discrimination based on race, color, religion has been outlawed since 1964. Even under the guise of YOUR religion. If they want to ratify that to include gays then that is always an option. UNTIL THEN...guess what?

  • FukkFolks2018

    I would be like thanks for letting me know before you spit in my cake Jack. And moved on. Thats just me. I cant speak for others. But they could have found them a gay baker. Just like we have a whole resource of black owned biz...they have the same thing for gay owned and gay accepting.

  • Phillybruh

    That's what the sign will read when they refuse to serve you because the bible and supreme court said I don't have too.

  • Stationarity

    Th Muslim baker wouldn’t sell Pork pies period.

  • Phillybruh

    I guess some peoples principles don't allow them too move on.

  • the guest

    Jack should have said point blank I don’t support gay rights and gay marriage is against my religious beliefs, but I’ll make your cake for you and then charge them $5000 for a plain sheet cake with no frosting.

    That’s how white folks segregate in the modern age.

    Charging a way overpriced black tax to dissuade black patrons is the new Jim Crow.

  • Phillybruh

    Why would pork pies be on the menu at a Muslim bakery?

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    Lol! good point... just wondering if they were familiar enough with his work to know if he'd ever made a same sex cake (or had refused to make one)

  • Fire & Ice

    They didn't go to another baker, because the gay mafia wants to bully everyone, to make a statement.

  • Phillybruh

    A same-sex wedding cake is the same one he makes for heterosexuals just put two grooms on top. there is no special ingredient in a gay wedding cake. You know how much business I turned the lady who baked my wedding cake onto after my wedding.

  • Kanyade

    well i imagine "the coloreds" would go to a "colored" bakery to get their cakes made. or, perhaps, do it themselves.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    yeah, i get that. but if part of the specialized "custom" cake service is the decoration of said cake, he obviously objected specifically to the "two grooms" representing his work (due to his 'beliefs')

  • Kanyade

    then black folk will go to black bakers and get their cakes baked. like they did all up until we were granted "equality" under the law.

  • Blak

    As a business owner you should be allowed to choose your customers and maintain your believes. Don't like it then go to another business or get a cake from costco instead of forcing people to do what you want them to do and go against what they believe

  • FukkFolks2018

    They legally cannot say that.

  • Meme

    Oh stop it you always have to compare your plight as a gay man to being black

  • Karen Brady

    Lil bit. just a little.

  • Connie

    Ok....thanks for the clarification!

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    And the Bible doesn't say that.

  • Elevated Soul

    Gays target Christians more than anyone because many hate God. I"m glad this baker maintained his rights of religious freedom.

  • Mr.LeBrickJames

    Supreme Court made the right decision today. A victory for religious freedom, and common sense.

  • FukkFolks2018

    Thats on them

  • Dun Dilly

    Obama's LGBT...QRSTUV laws bout to get pushed back ...uh oh

  • Phillybruh

    I'm both a black and gay. I'm they are both my plight. But stop pretending this isn't going to open a door and when it don't be on here talking about they can't do it.

  • Phillybruh

    Bake the cake and not put the two grooms on top explain to them, that is something they have too do.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    that would be simple enough. but you don't think they wanted him to do something more elaborate? like 'Adam & Steve forever' etc?

  • Meme

    This case is just another case of lbgt
    rainbow entitlement ram it down every ones throat I can do what I like because I'm gay i.can do what I like because i'm transgender so I'm a real woman i should be in a women's prison (if I commit a crime)forget the small fact that I was born with a penus yes I'm a woman and I can have my titaes and keep my penus but I'm still a woman, if a man doesn't want to date me because of the small fact that I was born a man I'm taking him to court. yadah yadah ya it's too much.live and let live they are entitled to be gay yes. He is entitled to be a Christian that doesn't bake cakes for a gay wedding

  • E-VannaRootsAllEvil

    Get out!!!!

  • RespectSelf

    lol I really don't see how color of skin and sexual preference is remotely the same thing for you to reach that far.

  • MsJC

    I'm all for everybody's rights, but the gay couples lawsuit was a bit dubious. Why would you want someone who does not agree with your wedding, to make your cake in the 1st place? They only wanted to try and prove a point and embarrass the baker. I agree with the supreme court, if your beliefs disagree with certain topics you should be able to oppose doing business with them. Unless it involves healthcare or government entities such as : banks, schools, jobs etc. My opinion, I'm happy for the baker, I'm sure the gay couple still got married despite the baker's objections to their cake.

  • StoneColdLady

    Pretty much, right back to when we had our on banks, hospitals, schools, and supported our on ...yep pretty much

  • TheOwley

    If I'm a wedding planner, I just order the cake according to the designs available. What wedding planner says it's for a gay or straight couple. And what baker asks. If the baker did just say it's a wedding for two people and move along. Buy your dolls toppers and put them on yourself.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    SMR: The 2 dissenting Justices were Obama appointees Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor

    Ginsburg was appointed by Bill Clinton not Obama.

    It's sad that conservatives can't even get simple facts correct.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Meme: I wouldn't expect a Muslim baker to bake my pork pies for me

    Dumb analogy because a Muslim wouldn't have pork.

    The wedding cake isn't any different for a gay couple than it would be a straight couple--same ingredients and all nothing that the baker didn't already produce.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    They wouldn't because the person is trying a dumb analogy.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    LOL. Keep believing people won't use their 'religion' to discriminate against other than gays.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Yeah if MLK has said fugg it I ain't dying for you Negroes I have a family to raise.

    The right to vote would just have to wait and wait and wait.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    America's capitalistic system along with mechanization would have forced some level of integration as well as globalization.

  • JustB

    Who would want to eat a cake baked by someone who didn't want to bake it for them in the first place...

  • Phillybruh

    Just as they found wiggle room in this case they can find it to do that.

  • Meme

    Come on stop being so pedantic, I'm giving an example of a religious belief which should be respected. Not every muslim baker would be advertised as such that they are a Muslim baker....but if I went in ordering pork pies and they said we don't do that it's against our beliefs i would go a next baker no long ting.

  • MsJC

    According to the Supreme court and I agree. The baker cannot be forced to use his artistic skills on something his religious belief goes against. Such as putting 2 men on top of a wedding cake he made and blessing the cake!

  • nick c

    Girl you crazy you know Ruth wasnt appointed by Obama LMAO.

  • Phillybruh

    Why would he need to bless cake just bake and stfu I didn't ask you about your church.

  • Evillene

    Only to the extent that someone has to be first. The commentary here is that the couple's legal challenge was frivolous because they could just go down the block to another bakery. If they don't challenge discrimination, who will? Someone has to be Rosa Parks.
    Also, the correlation between race and sexual orientation is that history and social custom has condoned hate that leads to discrimination. You may regard sexual orientation as a "preference" but it's not; for most LGBT it's as immutable as skin color. It's not that far of a reach.

  • MsJC

    Im giving your dumb butt clarity! I'm giving you information you clearly dont have! That was the Supreme Court's ruling! Read the documents, if you can read and comprehend! Now you STFUWTBS! BTW I dont go to church to tell you anything about being at a church! Imbecile!

  • Phillybruh

    And I'm telling your simple self the point of the lawsuit.

  • MsJC

    So why respond to my post, idiot! I am and I have been very clear about their lawsuit!

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    In Canada, a trans person is suing a massage parlor because the Muslim masseuse woman refused to give him a bikini wax. It's understandable why she would refuse to touch his genitals, but he is suing for discrimination. That's why this SCOTUS decision is a victory for religious freedom in the U.S.

  • J2PC

    They've sued others, like this couple, who wouldn't label their gay expressions on a finished cake. Therefore, this required the couple going all the way to the supreme court to fight not only for their Freedom of Religion under the US Constitution, but for the fact that the lower leftist court was so one-sided in cutting them off from responding to the claim that it was unfair.

    -it's a deliberate act [or agenda] to specifically target those conservative or private Christian Schools & bakeries to start something for a lawsuit. smh

    It's no different than forcing their way into bathrooms, showers & prison cells meant for girls and women. Then, hollering discrimination. What about the fact that they are men who still have their penises & scrotums that can rape girls & women or expose themselves as such in those showers?? ijs

  • freelancepimp .

    or a Jewish one.

  • J2PC

    As such, this could be spun into not having the thought to write that which is opposite of their thought process & religious or spiritual beliefs. -they just don't have it in them to write that. Same thing...not so dumb afterall, eh?

  • Allihave2say

    Supporting MAGA is not a religious right, it is a social experience, movement, system, belief and privilege afforded by the Constitution as a freedom of expression act.

    That said, the greater issue her is that people's RIGHTS end when the begin to infringe on the rights and liberties of others. The fight for homosexual tolerance, acceptance, awareness and fair treatment is a necessary right because they do love, care for mates and want to ensure they are afforded the same social experiences that heterosexuals do without ridicule, violence and hate. It is a right granted to them by the amendment of the laws of One Nation Under God, who's laws are biblically based. In the belief system of the Bible homosexuality is described as being an abomination of God's plan and has been frowned upon for as long as it has existed in practice.

    The religious believes of others must be protected and respectd as to not infringe upon or impede their right to belief and practice as they choose. A child can't present a prose in school about the Bible but a school can start a club for gay children, when we shouldn't be discussing sexuality with children in school anyway beyond the sex ed course.

    Child molesters believe it is their right to "love a child" and that a child can "consent to love". A a society in America we are against pedophilia, and rightfully so. A pedophile may ask a baker to make a cake showing him sexing a child should the baker do it? Would he do it? Maybe if he is a pedophile. Most of us would more easily understand his rights and reasons for not doing so.

    Forever and day people have had signs that state "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" or "no shoes, no shirt, no service". Who are we to tell them how to govern their business. Take your money somewhere else.

  • Allihave2say

    I had a family who allowed a friend to pick up the kids from daycare. The friend was a lesbian. She and her gf would come in the daycare and kiss in front of children. They have the right to express their love as they see fit, just not in my daycare. Now, I mean that for all folks in the center, if you aren't kissing your baby hello or good bye tame your lips.

    I stopped letting them enter the school area and stopped them at the lobby because they wouldn't stop the foolishness. I made a new policy no one who isn't the parent, grandparent or sibling can enter the rear.

  • J2PC

    When the target or agenda is to go after conservative Christian religious schools & private business owners & public bathrooms and school showers and jails or prison cells, then that is their focus and main objective...to flip the script on a mindset or else...a lawsuit.

    -of course, they could go elsewhere giving so many non-religious bakers who would love to bake a wedding cake. That's not their goal or endgame though. ijs

  • J2PC

    Exactly! -you know what time it is. It makes no sense. They met their match with #SCOTUS trying to will their mentality via testing the Freedom of Religion Act built into the US Constitution.

  • Allihave2say

    A Muslim wouldn't have pork but I'm sure a grocery store would and it could be purchase d there just like any other ingredient purchased to make a meal for a customer.

    How about this. Making the man make a cake for two homosexuals require th baker to think about homosexuality. His Biblical teaches that whatever a man thinkeths is already in his heart and is a sin. Proverbs 23:7. This may cause a sin nature to occur in the man. He's protecting his heart and beliefs.

  • J2PC

    No, he cannot because that law of protection against discrimination based upon ethnicity is built into our Constitution. -just like protection in Freedom of Religion is also a part of US Constitution.

    Only one race: the Human Race (that comes in different flavors or ethnicities).

  • Allihave2say

    Yeah they usually have something like this posted: "Your Black Muslim Bakery" or "????". People know what it means.

  • Allihave2say

    and the Supreme Court wouldn't make them. It seems that every believe is being honored and respected except those of Christians.

  • Allihave2say

    Obama made us sensitive.
    Trump made us violent and hateful.
    I'll take sensitive for $500, Alex.

  • Allihave2say

    Go to a gay baker.

  • Allihave2say

    Their feelings were hurt because somebody wouldn't let them on the playground. I swear I saw a news report that said all girls who want to be cheerleaders can now be cheerleaders without even trying out. Damn the girls who went to gymnastics class and cheer camps to learn their sports, let everybody on top of the pyramid! If Becky weights 500 lbs she can be on top of the pyramid and the rest have to deal.

  • Fire & Ice

    Yup!!! I wouldn't be surprised if these two, intentionally went to this store knowing, the owner would decline for religious reasons. The gay mafia is very strategic and cunning.

  • Stationarity

    2 different instances. The baker bakes cakes. He bakes them everyday. He just won’t bake it for certain people. The Muslim doesn’t make pork pies period. Nobody was asking him to make something that he DOESNT bake. Let’s not act like it has ANYTHING to do with Christianity and his Christian morals. Does he not do Baby shower cakes for unwed mothers? Will he sell a cake to a couple for their anniversary that isn’t married? Is fornication not a son? Will he sale a wedding cake to someone on their second or third marriage?

    However, none of that was my point. Just pointing out that Muslims don’t make pork pies and nobody will make them make them just like the case wasn’t about making the baker make something that he doesn’t make.

  • jade

    You are wrong. That law you are referring to applies only to the state/government. The state cannot discriminate based on race. However, a private person can definitely discriminate base on race or any other classification for that matter. Why do you think the KKK is allowed to exist? Freedom of expression.

  • Marlika

    Good for the Supreme Court!!

  • Phillybruh

    Why should I have too, what's wrong with people and infusing religion into business it's a cake

  • jade

    You are so right on this one. Laws do not just change from one polar opposite to the other. Over time, people push the envelope little by little and little by little until their agenda is achieved.

    Imagine about 17 years ago, homosexuality was still criminalized in some states. We’ve gone from there to legalizing gay marriages. And as you wrote, men can now use the women’s restroom. The next on the agenda is to compel private persons to accept their lifestyles. And who knows what may come next? They may then criminalize heterosexuality.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    I'm waiting for the first teacher who shames heterosexual children for being heterosexual. You know that's coming.

  • Phillybruh

    I sure hope all y'all make it too heaven..yall are a trip when it comes to gay folks..lol

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    The baker did not want to put two male dolls on a wedding cake. He has the right to refuse to do anything that violates his religious beliefs.

  • Meme

    bluddy terrible, same thing happened with me, other day im pArking my car in the parent and kid section reversing into it (at the supermarket) in the car opposite bold as you like a man and woman are really at it kissing slow nasty tongue in each other's mouths his hand in her top kissing at the best of times i as an adult find this repulsive (in afternoon public place) it's like have some decency get a bluddy room! But I also have my 6 yeAr old with me so I gave them a short sharp shock and tooted my horn but looking away like it wasn't me. The woman was so embarrassed when I looked again several seconds later but they had stopped. My daughter kept asking me why did you toot the horn mummy i told her my hand slipped (luckily she didn't see the real reason).

    Another time i 'm in Primark again with my 6 year old a lesbian couple tongue kissing and walking right in front of us swiftly turned my daughter away drag her in the opposite direction....I don't understand why people do this (sorry for the long story lol just annoys me)

  • Meme

    Yep

  • Meme

    ???

  • Meme

    Precisely now I'm sure a transgender will take it to court if a hetro man refuses his advances

  • Meme

    Yah

  • Meme

    ? ?

  • FukkFolks2018

    I respect gay folks the same as everyone else. But this was clear case of them forcing views on people/someone who was not with it. Just know not everyone is cool. Comfy. Ok with it. I am. But many others are not. Shame on this damn couple for that.

  • Stationarity

    A heterosexual couple wouldn’t be allowed to do that either!

  • Stationarity

    So he doesn’t watch TV and see couples kissing and think about sex? Ok see a Bikin and have thoughts. He doesn’t listen to the radio? That’s a stretch. If putting two dolls on top of a cake causes him and to think about himself having actual homosexuals acts Witt a man then he might have bigger worries.

    So do you also agree with banning homosexuals from a teachers class if it’s against their religion? Or not serving homosexuals as a waitress? He wasn’t asked to perform the ceremony.

    To me it’s not biblical because making a cake does not mean someone ordains or agrees with the marriage. If that is the case he probably wouldn’t be making any cakes. It’s a job and a service and unless he is screening EVERYONE’s marriage for Christian laws, including heterosexuals, then it has nothing to do with morals.

  • Phillybruh

    Not it wasn't say you can't make the cake and they would have taken their business elsewhere, but don't tell me about your religion is the reason why. I don't need to know all that when all I want is cake. Sorry I'm booked can't make the cake. Simple. I didn't ask for your religious reason why. But since you told me. I will report you!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    LOL.

    He admitted that he had sold other items to gays before so how is going to say that baking them every thing except a wedding cake is not endorsing 'the gay lifestyle'?

    Please explain something to me. Why is it that people only think about sex is when they think about gay people?

    I never hear people think about sex when they think about heterosexuals?

    Does he think about two people having sex outside of wedlock when he's serving two heterosexuals and one of them has been married before?

    Does that mean he asks every couple he bakes a wedding cake for if they are 'living in sin'?

    Maybe you're weak-minded and immature if you can't think of others as human beings when you're selling them an item.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    "Why is it that people only think about sex is when they think about gay people?"

    Because the definition of homosexual is one who is sexually attracted to the same sex. You are being disingenuous when you imply that homosexuality is anything but a sexual behavior. Attend any Gay Pride parade and you will see S&M and other sexual fetishes on display.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Blame Obama for empowering these couples to violate the rights of others.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Maybe that's how YOU define YOURSELF but not all gays do.

    Try again!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Blessing the cake?

    The guy is a baker not a priest.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    I am not being pedantic.

    You just presented a false equivalence.

    The baker admitted that he sold other items to gays so he's a hypocrite and is just playing games.

    Can you tell me what the difference would be between a cake for a gay couple and a straight couple?

    None!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Blessing the cake?

    The guy is a baker not a priest.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Yes people like the baker and the florists are cowards.

    Why don't they put signs outside their businesses listing the groups they won't serve?

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Who was forcing him to do so?

    Did he ask the couple if he could skip that step?

    He keeps moving the goalpost.

    Ha,ha,ha!!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    It's ironic that the black church wouldn't exist if it weren't gay men and women.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Ah yes let's use Muslims when it suits us.

    If she gives bikini waxes to others she's touching their privates.

    She needs to get over herself.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    I was talking about what I saw and experienced growing up in Mississippi.

    You knew that and played dumb.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Poverty isn't funny.

  • MsJC

    Lol! Hey, its in the court papers I didn't make it up!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    stupid

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Giving bikini waxes to women is totally different from giving a bikini wax to a man. I'm sure her religion prevents her from touching men's genitals. This is why religious freedom is important.

  • JENNYJONES1

    IF ONLY WE COULD MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. DARN........JENNY JONES!!!

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    The baker did not want to participate in a ceremony that violates his religious beliefs. End of story.

  • Meme

    2 men on a cake as opposed to male and female.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Hun there are no 'black' bakers where I live.

    Most people go to grocery stores, but wait until someone who works there and claims religious freedom to refuse to bake your cake and you need it asap.

  • Skin Deep Beauty

    Good!

  • Skin Deep Beauty

    Not the same!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    And you're ok with discrimination until it impacts you directly.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    He serves everyone, including gays. He even offered to sell them other products. He just would not use his creative skills to design a special wedding cake for two men.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    That's all?

    1) Was he forced to put the 2 men on the cake?
    2) Did he ask the gay couple if they could buy their own topping?

    It's funny that liberals are called snowflakes, but this guy is the very definition of snowflake.

    Geeze!!!

  • Meme

    Look bottom line they have the freedom to choose to be gay he has a freedom to choose not to make a wedding cake for them as it goes against his religious principles simples

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    I know what which makes his refusal to bake a 'gay' wedding cake ridiculous.

    How is parsing what he will and won't create and endorse?

    Someone could say baking a birthday cake for a gay person is 'endorsing' the act of gay sex blah, blah, blah!!!

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    Impoverished couple probably wouldn't be shopping for a custom cake.
    I was simply referring to the concept of 'balling on a budget' ...you fonted "rural" and "conservative" ....these do not automatically translate to poverty. You read way too much into my comment.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Baking a cake isn't participating in a ceremony.

    No one asked him to attend the wedding and serve the cake during the reception.

    End of story!!

    Edit: so if he sold a gun to someone who murdered someone that would mean that he would ask the police to arrest him as an accessory because he 'participated' in the murder?

  • Meme

    You lgbtq need to stop ramming your lifestyle down everyone's throats, if he's made cakes for lgbtq what's your problem? He refused to make a wedding cake with two guys on top

  • Miss Thang

    I agree with the Supreme Court ruling.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    If you actually read his multiple reasons they had nothing to do with religion.

    I hope no one uses their 'religion' to discriminate against you.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Meme:You lgbtq need to stop ramming your lifestyle down everyone's throats,

    Oh boy there goes that Freudian slip again.

    Come out, come out of the closet.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Fool, no one would CHOOSE to be a minority in America, but your ignorant a$$ would believe such stupidity.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    SMR: He just would not use his creative skills to design a special wedding cake for two men.

    Again he's playing word games.

  • Meme

    I'm not gay

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    My OP was my growing up in Mississippi and understanding how people have limited choices due to circumstances beyond their control.

  • Meme

    Ok what should I have said they hav the right to be gay

  • Meme

    Yes very stupid but this is what it's coming down to if a man refuses to date a trans soon the trans will take the man to court on grounds of discrimination

  • Meme

    Another thing with some gay men you're convinced ALL men are gay and seem to get upset if someone isn't

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Is that a 'no'?

    Ha,ha,ha!!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    You sure do spend a lot of your waking hours thinking about gays and trannies.

    You may want to get a hobby or a girlfriend.

  • Meme

    Scary what the world is coming to. No thank you I am strictly dickly

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Oh you're a female?

    So why are you worried about gay men?

  • Meme

    Poor thing your gadar not working for you? I attribute it to the fact that you're stressed go get some rest it's way off the mark.??. Some of you gays get your panties in a twist when you can't get things your way not everyone is gay

  • Malai

    EXACTLY! Take the Gay Cake else where.. it’s that simple!! The man has a right to refuse baking ANY type of cake.. why don’t these fruit loops realize that ??????? And before ppl come for me, I have nothing against the gays.. their life their choice.. MY opinion ?????

  • Meme

    Ha you thought your luck was in n'est-ce pas?

  • FukkFolks2018

    Exercising religious right over a moral one isn't a crime though when it comes to homosexuality. It just isn't. You need to push to be included in a law that is already on the books then if y'all want to be included. Bc right now...its not covered. How you gonna fight something thats not covered? How Sway.

  • Jussjess25

    How in the world did this make it to the supreme court??? When you got police officers killing unarmed black men in the street and they wont even get indicted for it.. like seriously! The man has a private business he can turn away whomever he wants.. the point is who the fuck cares!

  • Jussjess25

    Exactly

  • Allihave2say

    I feel you and understand. We may not agree with some of…many of…all of the policies Obama initiated but his policies did not incite riots, race worse and light the spark for cross burners. I call Obama the feel good president.

  • Allihave2say

    A gay man can enter your store and purchase merchandise on sale. That isn't the same as asking the baker to support gay marriage.
    Chick fil A donates tons of money every year to evangelical christian organizations and they still hire open homosexuals, albeit I've not seem a flamboyant male homosexual working in one. They are closed on Sunday as it is their religious belief. Should a customer force them to open on Sundays because he desires to eat there on Sundays?

  • Allihave2say

    Homosexuals can't be banned from teaching in a public school but if they are in a private christian school there are some guidelines the school may have in place.
    The bakery is a private business. It isn't a government entity. It isn't a public facility. The man has a right to chose how he wishes to govern his business just as the gays have the right to chose to be gay, to get married, to eat cake at their wedding. Did him not baking the cake stop the marriage? No Did him not baking the cake stop them from eating cake? No. Marie Antoinette said, let them eat cake. Ike Turner said eat the cake.
    They ate a damn cake from elsewhere which was all that should have mattered and easily done. They just thought they could get a sticker.

  • Allihave2say

    Did you read what I wrote? I already stated this.

  • Allihave2say

    I think as a social norm we've become so sexualized that we've lost civility and class. Everyone wants their love & lust on display because they have a right to be who they are, so they need an announcement audience. Notice me, notice us, we can now do this and you better not say anything. the moral decay of our minds is heavy. They can be who they want as adults but have some class and dignity. Don't be low rent.

    I went to the casino with my hubby some months back. We were at the buffet. A black woman gets in lie with a jumpsuit/outfit that was so low cut to navel and wide out to the shoulders that I don't know why she bothered to get dressed at all. She strutted in like she was Miss McMuffin. After standing in that long line and getting rolled eyes and stares that grin left, she sat down and contemplated if it was worth it, ya know at the damn casino.

  • Allihave2say

    It's a private business and owners choice. Sorry. He has rights too. If it's just a cake stop by the Walmart Deli, pick one up and keep it moving.

  • Allihave2say

    "Just pointing out that Muslims don’t make pork pies and nobody will make them make them"
    1. In honor of this topic I baked a chocolate cake at 9pm haven't baked a cake in years. LOL.
    2. Nobody will Mae them make them, and no one should make the baker bake a cake he doesn't want to make. If he said he refuses to make penis shaped cakes that's his prerogative to do what he wants to do (Bobbiiii!!!)
    3. The point isn't if the baker bakes cakes but does he have the right to refuse to bake a cake for w/e his reasons are, yes. It's his craftsmanship, his design and his choice. In this case he sighted religious beliefs. Perhaps the gay couple asked for something profane like two penises intersecting or something.
    4. We don't know if the baker, butcher or the candlestick maker refused services to all the other scenarios you mentioned because they didn't file a lawsuit that required him to answer in a court of law.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    How is baking a cake supporting gay marriage?

    You're selling a product that he already produces.

    No one is forcing him to do anything he doesn't already do.

    Just stop typing because you're just making yourself stupid repeating this guy's excuses.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    But you're pressed about gay men.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

  • Meme

    I didn't realise this article was to be read and commented on by gay men alone, you're pressed about being gay

  • Strip Club Veteran

    Yep

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    No, I am only pressed when I have to deal with ignorant bigots like you.

    I hope someone follows you around the store the next time you go shopping and claim that it's their religious right to believe that all black people are shoplifters.

  • Phillybruh

    Right he made it a point of telling them my god won't allow me too make this cake. That's insulting. If they said that too you it would be insulting aswell. Pray to your god but don't lecture me with it.

  • Phillybruh

    Again don't lecture me about god when I just want cake.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    Well Charlie and David are not victims of those particular circumstances; hence, the discussion of them choosing a different bakery.

  • Meme

    ??

  • Stationarity

    Thats not true. He wouldn’t make the cake PERIOD! I am not even arguing if he was right or wrong but atleast have the facts right.

  • Stationarity

    Baking a cake is not participating in a ceremony. If that is the case I HOPE he is screening the morals of EVERYBODY he makes cake for and every event..:checking and making sure he isn’t doing a Bachelor Party cake where there are gonna be strippers or a Birthday Party that will have alcohol and drugs!

    People need to be consistent. That man sins EVERYDAY just like everybody else. Everybody wants to boycott and fight against the sin they don’t have an issue with and excuse theirs and scream...”My Morals!”

  • Trace da Ace

    well my opinion is this....it is that mans cake shop, and whether gay or straight, yellow or black...he has that right to refuse service. Period. So I dont think this should have made it to the supreme court....cause it is his right to decline services......they should have just said ok and move on......smh...our tax dollars at work.....

  • Anji

    It's already been tried and lost historically.

  • JENNYJONES1

    I THINK THAT WAS THE PROBLEM HE TRIED TO MAKE TOO MANY PEOPLE FEEL GOOD BY MUZZLING & TAKING THE RIGHTS OF A TON OF OTHERS, MAKING EVERYONE SOOOO SUPER SENSITIVE, SUE HAPPY, FIRE HAPPY TO WHERE YOU COULDN'T SAY JACK. NOW I CAN'T STAND TRUMP AKA THE ORANGE RACIST, NARCISSIST MONSTER BUT OBAMA MUZZLING EVERYONE ONLY MADE IT EASY FOR TRUMP TO COME IN AND GIVE ALL OF THOSE MUZZLED PEOPLE A VOICE, A NASTY RACIST ONE, BUT A VOICE TO THE 1000TH POWER. THERE JUST SEEM NOT TO BE A MEDIUM B/C OF THE JACKASS LEADER WE HAVE AS AN EXAMPLE WHICH IS SAD...........JENNY JONES!!!!

  • J2PC

    They are not cowards. They are wiser than liberal trying to find ways to trap & manipulate others to bend & spin for a win. ;)

    They are a well-known Christian Bakery who celebrates the sanctity of a Holy Marriage as it relates to what is described in the Bible. Did not The Holy Almighty GOD our Creator above all others say that HE created them male & female (man and woman) to join together in marriage (Holy Matrimony) & procreate or to be fruitful and multiply.

    Did GOD not say what he abhor and call an abomination? Did he not say do "do not partake in this or that and come you from among them and separate yourselves from sin and follow me (spiritually)?" -What does the Biblical Christ Jesus has to say about it all?? -and both have Conservative, not liberal, views on their teachings & expectations of us. Anything else is the opposite or tied to a different type of god.

    We can't blame that couple for practicing their Right and Freedom of Religion protected by the US Constitution. -SCOTUS had the last say on that matter!

  • Allihave2say

    I doubt that he Bible beat them. Just like when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door I don't want to hear it. I tell them that & they keep talking. So I decided I would start asking them questions, they get defensive and don't want to answer. Then I tell them to remember my house and don't come back unless they want to get serve the real Word of God. Keep it moving.

    If you won't bake my cake bye bish! I went to IHop years ago the white girl came to the table saw me sitting with my white friend and refused to service us, I could have sued. None the less I didn't give them my money. That location closed not too far away from that moment.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    You the part of the Bible you chose.

    Did Christ refuse anyone salvation?

    These 'Christians' are using the Bible to discriminate against people something Christ would never do.

    I just hope God judges you by the same measure you judge others.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    If they aren't cowards why don't they place signs outside their businesses specifying which services they will provide with which people?

    Because people would be offended and they would let their friends know and they would avoid the business which means less money.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Yes, the 'Holy Marriage' where 50% of marriages end in divorce and the rate of remarriage in the church is the same as it is in the secular world.
    That kind of 'holy marriage'. LMBAO!!!

  • J2PC

    People have to answer to the Holy God for that on Judgement Day. He is not about divorce, infidelity, spousal abuse, etc. -folks lying before God about I promise to Love (not cheat), Cherish, Honor & Respect each other (not belittle, abuse, etc.). So all of that was...a lie. Mockery of marriage is not being Holy Matrimony.

    However, conflict in marriages arise because of pride and the fact that a lot of folks put or force themselves together and are unequally yoke and not condoned by that which is Holy and insist on putting themselves together for whatever reason instead of seeking like minds with the same spiritual values.

    -the mockery of marriage is not of a Holy Matrimony regardless of male/female or others. Some marriages were rocky & doomed from the get-go. ijs

  • J2PC

    God has no one respectable person for all have sin and come short in his eyes. Of course, we will all be judged and have to give in account for everything on that Day of Judgement, according to the Scriptures.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    I was talking about the baker.
    Does he ask every heterosexual couple to fill out a form so he can determine if they are 'shacking', been married before, are a virgin, etc.?
    So straight people have to answer only to God, but gay people have to answer to other sinful humans?
    Nice way of dodging your hypocrisy.

  • J2PC

    Those are just spins to open a pandora box to get further away from the topic at hand. The Holy God and Biblical Christ Jesus are all about Holy Matrimony rather than living in sin. --getting married puts an end to shacking up & living in sin to make it right. However, they will have to give into account for what they did before getting marry just like the rest of us on Judgement Day.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    No spin just pointing out people's hypocrisy and picking and choosing which sin 'offends' them.
    Getting married doesn't change the fact that someone who has been married before and if that person is still alive and that person remarries is committing adultery and there are multiples of people who commit that 'sin' that being gay but that could be you are someone you love so you prefer to focus on 10% or less of the population.
    It's funny how religion is bringing an end to itself especially in America.
    First the Evangelicals and other religious groups have aligned themselves with Trump destroying any credibility that they have ever had.
    No wonder church attendance is falling dramatically--because people are finally realizing how people aren't living out Christ's commandments.