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Upwardly mobile career women on Wall Street say the #MeToo movement is hurting their chances to break through the glass ceiling.

According to a report on Bloomberg News, female executives on Wall Street say their male counterparts are avoiding being alone with them in their offices.

Women are too afraid to speak up, fearing that they may be blackballed by their male bosses who who don't want to be falsely accused of sexual misconduct.

Bloomberg coined a term for the phenomenon: "The Pence Effect" -- a reference to Vice President Mike Pence's policy of not dining alone with a woman who is not his wife.

All across Wall Street men are adopting the same policy to spare their reputations and their jobs in the #MeToo era.

It's creating a sense of walking on eggshells," said David Bahnsen, a former managing director at Morgan Stanley.

According to Bloomberg.com, the #MeToo movement is doing more to reinforce the "boys club" atmosphere on Wall Street.

One female banker told Bloomberg that women are struggling to find ways to deal with the problem because "it's hurting our careers."

"Women are grasping for ideas on how to deal with it, because it is affecting our careers," said Karen Elinski, president of the Financial Women’s Association and a senior vice president at Wells Fargo & Co. "It's a real loss."

Elinski said her male counterparts are afraid to travel alone with their female co-workers, or to attend business meetings at strip clubs.

"If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment, those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint," said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison.

He added that top managers should take steps to be open about the problem and make it safe for everyone to discuss it.

Photo by Elie Bernager/Getty Images

  • Bossy704

    #MeToo is hurting white women. They didn't promote us before anyway.

  • http://www.NeCola.Mayvenn.com Chile_Pleeze

    she looks uncomfortable sitting all wo"man" spreadingly

  • http://www.NeCola.Mayvenn.com Chile_Pleeze

    FACTS

  • SpiceGirl

    Welp folks....Check yourself!!

  • MookieFly

    "Elinski said her male counterparts are afraid to travel alone with their female co-workers, or to attend business meetings at strip clubs."

    The fact that meeting has to be in a strip club is an issue

  • Renee26

    These must be the whores who WANT to sleep their way to the top... Open doors aren't going to stop any meetings that are legit. And why is the strip club a spot for a business meeting anyway?? How about resturants, golf courses, or even cigar bars if they want to get out of the norm. GTFOH

  • Renee26

    Hurting the brainless yt women that are used to sleeping their way to the top. We've always had to use our brain power and go above and beyond to get noticed...in the right way without being labeled as aggressive or confrontational.

  • Renee26

    Ok!!!

  • Kim’s Original Face

    Businees meetings in strip clubs ?

  • Nik

    This is the price some of these male execs have to pay for turning a blind eye when one of their good ol' boys put their paws where they didn't belong. On the flip side, I also blame women who did not have true cases of harassment but rather used the #MeToo movement as a means to exact a vendetta. This is a mess all the way around and will make it harder for women with real cases to be heard.

  • Lovely1

    GTFOH. lol This article has nothing to do with 99.9% of people I know. Translation: "Me Too is ruining my chances of sleeping with men to advance."

  • ClaireHuxtable

    You can still meet with your coworkers. Just keep the door open/ajar. Meet in the conference room. If all are just talking business there should be no problem.

  • ClaireHuxtable

    crotch sh0t

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    so they're complaining that they no longer have the 'opportunity' to sleep their way to the middle because they can't get the menz alone so they can offer lap dances, Lewinskis, massages, etc? LOL!

  • ohdearme

    Not buying it, this is a GOP talking point NOT the rest of the world. If you work in a professional environment whether it be on Wall Street or elsewhere, you can climb the ladder WITHOUT the need to say anything offensive to anyone and vice versa. It's all about behaving professionally at all times. Women aren't just falsely accusing men willy nilly as that fool in the white house claims! In fact he bragged about grabbing women by the p*ssy to show just how "powerful" he thinks he is and threatened to sue the women accusing him of assault!

  • FukkFolks2018

    next!

  • LeeSeeCee

    This sh*t is so simple for goodness sake. Keep your hands to yourself. Keep your verbal conversations about business and move the fu*k along. Men who are pulling this crap are afraid as they are the main perpetrators of the problem and now instead of checking yourself you distance yourself. I don't need you to tell me that I'm pretty or competent. I had a daddy and I got mad self esteem.

  • Ryan

    "...or to attend business meetings at strip clubs."

    I can think of one real easy solution just for that right there. This seems more like an Onion article.

  • Scromes1212

    I figured it would come to this smh society believes a woman can't lie so men should protect themselves. If she doesn't like your response she can just make some sh*t up and destroy your career smh

  • TransMichelle

    This is about MGTOW-Men Going Their Own Way. Women should expect the backlash of their stupid movement of whining and ranting. It's all about me me me and mine mine mine. All of this emotional bs is uncomfortable and I understand why men don't want to be bothered with this mess. Women will accuse a man of something just because she didn't have her way. #METOO is causing a #F%%CKYOU backlash.

  • Scromes1212

    So it's ok for females to strip in a club but not ok for me to have a meeting in the club they strip at? A strip club is a establishment just like hooters or chili's. It just happens to be more entertaining :)

  • TransMichelle

    Are you alleging that black women don't sleep their way to the top too?

  • GuestSTAR

    That pic looks weird.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Quote directly from the source link: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-03/walking-eggshells-women-say-metoo-hurting-their-prospects-wall-street-career

    "While it might not seem like such a big deal to outsiders, being excluded from after work drinks (or strip club trips) with the boss can deprive female employees of valuable opportunities for mentorship."

  • Ni Ni

    It's a sound decision to have someone else with you. It's the same priciple the old church used: never go visit a sister alone, always take one of the brethren. It cuts down a lot of confusion. I

  • Ni Ni

    Same thing i was thinking

  • Ain’t Misbehavin

    Look..... I have experienced people abuse #METOO and it's not fair to men or women that don't won't no smoke. Can't blame anyone for wanting to go to work, make a check and steer clear of all drama. Keep it real, some of these yt women are using #METOO to manipulate employers and senior staff by saying things like"better not mess with me, bc I have a vagina"

  • sunni_daze

    #MeToo = witch hunt

  • Soda

    It's hurting Christmas too. Some radio stations have stopped playing Baby, It's Cold Outside because the lady singing asks the man, Say, what's in this drink? Lol!

  • tintin

    honestly i don't blame the men. .. every day a case comes up. Better safe than sorry

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    i do believe there's an element of truth to that complaint though. it makes it easy for the men to conveniently say that they can't mentor or advance female staff because of potential accusations. what Some of them are actually feeling though is a sense of lost entitlement, i.e., i should be able to cop a feel if you want me to promote you. there's b.s. on both sides.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    log out!

  • Ryan

    We've had a couple of meetings at strip clubs before and asked the ladies on the team if they wanted to meet us there but they said no (one said she'd feel weird). However we all hang out after work for drinks/ lunch and dinner, etc. and it's all worked out fine.

  • TriniHarlem

    I'm more interested in the petulant child in chief unraveling. I have never cared for this movement nor feminism. So there's that.

  • Ain’t Misbehavin

    Gone are the days of D.A.R.E. programs, sexual harassment training and basic morals.... Ppl are just out here playing by a different set of rules.. You'd be surprised of men that make inappropriate comments and think nothing in the world about it.

  • Alicia.Ashe

    Stay out of grown folks comments clown.

  • Ain’t Misbehavin

    You better say it! Same goes for all those women's marches, protests and movements. Yt women are fighting for themselves, not anyone else, as they're in the best position to reap the benefits.

  • Blue

    Hahahahaha

  • ?? Kari ?????????

    #himtoo

  • LeeSeeCee

    Not surprised at all. I'm an ops manager for a MFG company primarily staffed by men (19 males / 2 females). The sh*t they say sometimes and the sh*t I say back.. Let's just say, they know IDAF and I will tell it to your face. I tolerate no disrespect nor do I disrespect them.

  • Navybeans95

    It's alot of crying wolf going on...doesn't apply to all...but Men will start to shut women out..I've been sexually harassed at work a few times, I caught that n***a in a empty hallway , when no one was around and I handled my own harassment..he didn't bother me again...all I'm saying is sometimes running to the office, can hurt you...

  • Dontgetdraggedhoe??

    If women wanting the right not to be secksually harassed is ruining your career, find a new one! They sound like a bunch of apologist heaux. If you like getting raped or harassed have at it but the rest of us dont. Deal with it! “ItS RuInInG OuR cArUuuR”. Shut up

  • http://thedevereauxshow.com/ Ms.Devereaux

    Nawl they just can’t fux their way to the top all Willy nilly like they were see the men fear that you giving him go head for a pay raise or promotion will later turn into you claiming rape! Or that he FORCED his penis in ya mouth. Oh well find a new way to come up. Like using your education and credentials and moving on to another company of you feel like you are stagnant and can’t move up at the one you at

  • Dowoop

    I call bull on this...What kinda business meeting you having at a strip club?? Im willing to bet women wasn't invited to those meeting before #metoo. If they don't want to travel with you then take a different flight or car...get over it.

  • Ain’t Misbehavin

    I know that's right! Funny, I'm in sr operations... I let em' have it too!

  • Vegas1989

    I told this man that I was going to kick him in his balls and he was going to go home and tell his wife and kids that he lost his job and he is walking funny because of an accident.....That man did an about face and left me alone...I told him I'm going to play kick ball with his balls....LOL.....and I dare him to tell on me.....And he didn't....LOL...Too funny. I just handle mine right there and then.....I told him the next time...I'm call Larry H. Parker..."You know the story"...LOL...My coworkers just busted out laughing. Believe me...I have had dumb stupidvisor to say dumb stuff in front me and my witnesses and I just cussed them out and told them to go tell on me and see what happens..>They was like, "You crazy as H3LL

  • Dowoop

    Lmao...I don't know the song but I find it funny.

  • KLove

    Ive been falsely accused of sexual harassment.....folks will look at you crazy over a mere unproven allegation.....long story short....i was screwin one chic at the job....i stopped messing with her and started screwing another chic at the job, whom she hated.....she was aggie....filed a harassment complaint with HR and i couldnt get hired on permanently...i was a contractor so it was just easier for them to let me go smh

  • Lady_Elle

    This is absolutely BS!
    This is now an excuse!

  • VernadineTheQueen?

    SEE YALL LET THEM WHITE WOMEN GET YOU MESSED UP!!

  • Robert lee Bennett OG

    Black man been walking on eggshells at a job from the cut throat black women who look at them as trash and the white male bosses who fear them

  • KLove

    I went to the company holiday party the other day......there arent a lot of sisters at my job.....so i was happy to see them cleaned up and lookin all nice....i wanted to pay some compliments, but i opted to keep my thoughts to myself so that something doesnt get misconstrued and someone goes running to HR

  • Dowoop

    Good...Complimenting women on their looks in the workplace is inappropriate anyways.

  • And then there is that!

    Says who? You don't stop being a male or female just because you're at work. I say this hyper sensitive environment that we live in will contribute to a lot of single women. If paying a simple compliment is wrong most men will stop doing it!

  • Gail

    Not surprised at all by this 'side effect' of the me too movement. I've worked on Wall Street, and you have to be a hard @ss to be taken seriously as a woman. Now, there is NOTHING that can be done to make men feel 'comfortable" as colleagues and mentors. There are countless all-nighters, international road shows etc. where you are often alone with men. Now they have an excuse to exclude women; and a justifiable one from a litigious standpoint. In any profession where women leaders are scarce, this is a going to huge problem.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Wellll if they are being openly discriminatory.. then turn it into #MeSue..there are ways to handle meeting and things with colleagues without fear of sexual harassment. Shyt there are ways of having meetings without being in the same room!. Male Doctors figured this out years ago and anytime they are in a room with a patient especially OBGyn..they have someone there to vouch for their ethics. Many high level management have secretaries and colleagues.Have them present for the meetings..Don't do unnecessary Lunch and Dinner "Meetings". If you do, make sure it's more than two people there..

  • Gail

    An excuse for men to exclude. Women on Wall Street have NO problem working hard for their advancement.

  • Gail

    Obviously you've never worked in the C suite.

  • Lady_Elle

    Exactly!!!

  • KLove

    It was hard LOL...especially because I had had a few....i wanted to say stuff like "you know you wearing that dress right??" LMAO.....im glad i was able to exercise some restraint...prolly because there was no Henny...so i was on rum and coke

  • Rhyme and Reason

    You’re right, this movement cuts both ways!

  • WutizstillHERE!

    There are ways to compliment without being in appropriate:
    Wrong; You look good in that dress.
    Right: Thats a beautiful dress!
    Wrong: You looking good in that suit
    Right; Thats a nicely tailored suit!
    Compliment the garment not the form nor fit of the person within it.

  • Gail

    Easier said than done. All verbage... would never work in the real world of elite business like investment banking and consulting....been there

  • SumthinSweeter

    Harsh and generalized except for the part about white bosses.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    You only mention the apparel and not the fit. And you don't do it often because it show too much attention to one person. So if you have a woman coworker and every day you're saying Nice dress, cute shoes, nice hairstyle..too much attention and that could make a woman feel uncomfortable. But on occasion, its not a problem. UNDER ZERO circumstances do you say how it fits don't care if you are "Work Friends" this can lead to misunderstandings on either part.

  • Rhyme and Reason

    True, and now I hear more guys at work, point out when women have technically crossed lines ( in casual conversation) that they could easily take up with HR!

  • T Willis

    It’s not that simple. The world of business is all about networking and backroom deals. Women have created a barrier for themselves with this #metoo shyt.

  • T Willis

    You said a mouthful with this comment.

  • T Willis

    *I* have NO problem working hard for advancement. Silly sh*t that the -#metoo advocated for doesn’t affect me?????

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Not in my corporate world.. Im in the upper level and the Few Black Directors are very confident and take zero shyt from the older YT management here. Im the only sistah on this level in my department. WE here work together..I have one other sister in HR as a Manager and there is zero beef or strife or competition with us. We ARE about helping and growing each other though..

  • T Willis

    Lol! I can believe this... which is sad.

  • Gail

    This isn't a company problem. It's an i-bank, consulting, and tech INDUSTRY problem. These high end industries are inbred from the Ivies, closed to 'outsiders', and only have a few companies that are worth working for. In these industries people are vested, or on a Partner track. You don't just walk away. It's not like working in industry where one job is just as good as any other.

  • T Willis

    The #metoo movement is giving these chauvinistic men a legal reason to limit their interaction with women. I don’t know if you work in corporate or at a C-level but the path to upward mobility is not during 9-5, it’s through projects/friendships/interactions that aren’t enforced by Human Resources or any other legal entity. These women have seriously jeopardized their opportunities by allowing this movement to go as far as it has.

  • Gail

    Sadly, I agree.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Not for the ethical it doesn't...and you are basically condoning the standard Boys Club...it can be as simple as one chooses to make it. If the men who hold the keys are use to women being on their knees to make a deal then they will close the door because it doesn't give them an extra incentive to work with her anymore. But the ones who are truly about the greater good and wants talent they don't mind doing what it takes.

  • T Willis

    Lmao this movement has created a legal form of discrimination - period. If yt women are feeling the discrimination then how long before that filters down to women of ALL colors? Yt women *are* in the best position to receive promotions, better salary etc., and if they’re feeling the pressure or lack of opportunities, then YOU as a woman of color should REALLY be nervous. This is a topic that black women should really involve themselves in, because if yt men are limiting their interactions with yt women, then you (as a black woman) are really going to suffer that backlash. They hate us more than yt women lol. Remember that.

  • Eileen

    Here we go again!!! men now have todo another set of acrobatics to appease women and their ever changing minds and stories about serious stuff. If i were a man I would not even think of mentoring a women you never know where a women's head-space is. She could be on her cycle, had a disagreement with a family member or is jealous because she is not dating the fine hunk that would rather have the strong but demure and feminine women and now she has to be mentored by a toxic male ...really? clutch my pearls!!! the Ball-Busting feminazis didn't see this coming. Can you really blame the guys? NO! you cannot. Yes there must be work-place policies but the feminist will find something wrong with anything that does not put them in power even if they are not qualified or whatever! I have a son in the military I told him stay away from the female solidiers do not date them don't even look at them! Thank you Jesus I met his girlfriend she is Strong confident but very very feminine. I told him do not bring home a feminist.

  • Gail

    So not true. It's not the sexual harassers that are the only problem now. It's every well-intended man in power who has a family and career he doesn't want to RISK by working alone with a woman.

  • Dun Dilly

    Welp, I saw this coming. Company retreats just for the Bros now and hush hush meetings AFTER the women leave will be the norm.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    This reminds me of the standard situation when a company goes in a different direction and staff are resistant to change. The company has one or two options to forge ahead with the possible loss of the older experienced staff, or giving in to them at the cost to business just to keep them.. a company or staff are as flexible as their options. The ones that are use to same ole same ole with fight dirty to keep the benefits and the dirt hidden..

  • T Willis

    No- that’s not what’s happening.
    As black women we should take our ques from yt women. And what I mean is, if they’re complaining about a lack of opportunity of *any* kind then it’s only a matter of time before it becomes *our* problem. Black (women) people are on the lowest rung of the ladder to upward mobility. Yt people in general don’t want us in any of their spaces. If they have a legal opportunity to avoid being alone with you - even if it involves a project - they’ll maneuver it around to avoid having you involved at all

  • Rhyme and Reason

    I think the Me Too Movement is so biased and subjective, and women will really pay for it in the future with false accusations or exaggerated claims of misconduct from men!

    Of course, men will use it as an excuse or reason in job hiring, promotions and appointments! Women won’t be able to use their bodies or looks for advancement so easily, and serious business women will be taken serious when she’s unyielding.

    Black Women have always dealt with glass or concrete ceilings, objectification, stereotypes, a lack of opportunities, and have been forced to start new businesses for career growth, inclusion, financial wealth-building and freedom!

    And, It’s still a man’s world!

  • Gail

    I hear you. The problem is, if you aren't running your own, you can't control how much you are being excluded. But, if you can make that Wall Street money on your own....let the rest of us know how you did it lol.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Again, there are very easy solutions to that. The most well intended man needs to understand the boundaries period. I have a male director over me. We have meeting all the time. When we do, its with an open door, or on skype. If we have a closed meeting, usually there is someone else there or on the phone. I am the ONLY woman here on my team in systems..the only one in the manager meetings, also. All white with the exception of two black directors when we have that meeting.. None inappropriate..I come here with anything for jeans to the most form fitting business suit and my heels are at min 4 inches.. (and you see I ain't ugly). Yet they maintain an appropriate coworker environment. How is that possible here and not everywhere?

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Also Im business has two components factory and office and a rather large building 700 plus all together just for this factory.. 98% men in the factory..Ive been here 5 years..

  • Gail

    This isn't about a shift in corporate strategy. This is about self-preservation and men being reluctant to risk false accusations. Perhaps in some companies, 'be nice' HR policies work because people have worked there for 30 years. On Wall Street, it's up or out, and the average banker or consultant is there for 2 years. It's a totally different world.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    You can't control, but nothing is stopping you from documenting the exclusions.. a mindful business woman can tell and see when things are happening around her and solid proof goes a long way. I feel we give too many excuses for men to "BeMen" instead of being fair and ethical. I support the women who call out bullshyt. I do NOT accept the heaux who are just looking for the come up by slanding a man.. but again there are ways to keep that from ever happening..

  • Soda

    It's a cute song performed by many celebrity duos, but I can see how some folks might find it offensive. https://www.cleveland.com/shatter/2018/12/baby-its-cold-outside-predatory-song-or-christmas-classic.html

  • Gail

    It would be nice. But that is not reality in businesses where people make six figure bonuses...

  • Renee26

    Yes, I know that the yt women woes get standards changed all the time. However, I don't see any issues with the changes that have come about to make women feel more comfortable...open doors, avoiding strip clubs, team meals instead of 1:1 in private settings etc are all good things. Let us climb on our own merits instead of having to endure inappropriate advances to climb the ladder.

    There's little that can be done to stop the yt supremacy that sets that glass ceiling for us outside of remembering to reach back and bring another brotha or sista along for the ride as we climb higher. It will require bravery from the minorities who do make it up there to those C-Suite levels.

  • Renee26

    Sooo women should take the gropping and innappropriate advances and shut up once again??? Nah I think not...the male chauvinist need to check themselves

  • WutizstillHERE!

    My question still stand though.. Do you keep the tribal "Business Practices" or do you put in safety measures? Total exclusion will eventually result in lawsuits which will then cause greater stressers when the key is to hold the company standard operating practices accountable for solid changes.. using fear tactics only work for so long and then there comes resistance...

  • freelancepimp .

    #MeToo wouldn't have this problem if it didn't rely on flimsy evidence mixed with writing supposed wrongs that supposedly happened years ago. If #MeToo had hire standards of other than "he did it cause I said it" this wouldn't be a problem. This whole movement of simply "Believe Women" is asinine and self destructive and more backwards that progressive.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    It would be if those six figure bonuses started disappearing..rewards for bad ethics breads bad ethics...to the point that it is seen as "Just how it is". Its unfair. What if black people where offered high level jobs if only they came by the CEO's house and was thier butler for a day for parties? Now while the same white counterparts were at the parties laughing enjoying the party like nothings wrong.. Should they say its wrong or for the sake of keeping the income just do it to get along?

  • Eileen

    THANK YOU!!! All deals are done after hours over golf or at the executives home where the wife is "AT Home" with the kids, the feminist once agian have mislead these young women. I side with the men on tis one. Kavanuagh was INNOCENT charges should be brought on that looney women that shut down the entire country with her lies!!! Where are the feminists now?! and kamela Harrisis thinking of running for President! All of these ball busting heifers need to mooove on and leave the rest of us sane women alone!

  • TheOwley

    Males should take every precaution and avoid being alone with any female. They can thank #metoo and fake rape claimants. Pence has it right and men who belong to MGTOW have a reason for their choices. I blame men and women who behave badly. Feminists have turned into misandrists and instigated a war on men and boys. Best to pay for the service but good luck fixing this mess.

  • teather

    Good then close your legs and stop selling p*ssy on Wall Street so those of us who are truly talented can rise to the top and not have to suck d*ck to do it. Men are pathetic. They couldn;t survive ten mins without us but wanna talk sh*t. We should take out your weak as$es once and for all and keep several hundreds for child bearing only. You all are pathetic cowards. Wall Street is full of socially awkward former geeks who got a break. They're weak and whack. Trust that I know first hand They're Marks.

  • teather

    Avoid women?? I will be first in line watching their demise as they do this. White men are SO fargin fragile it's scary. They will destroy everything before they are found out for the fakes that they are. They're the weakest whackest men on Earth. Period. I said it. don't @ me cuz I won't comment back to you. I said what I said. You're f(ckboys and you know it.

  • Eileen

    so sad... but word on the street is sistas are not the white girls that cry sexual harassment and run to the HR its a white girl "I want the "penis power thang" I was at a steak house where the well-heeled men go after work and I was actually told by a business man they dont talk to white girls because of their "run to the hr mentality"..smh

  • Eileen

    You are sounding too polilically correct for me to be comfortable with. women with feminist brainwshing have lost their capacity to think or accept compliments or mentoring..its just too much of a freaking headache! i dont blame the poor guys!

  • Eileen

    what kind of job do you have? If I have to say all that do i really want to work there..just saying

  • Eileen

    foolish man you dont sleep where you work..

  • WutizstillHERE!

    But you comfortable with men telling you how sexy your are at work? How about how fat your ass is? Maybe you have very pretty lips? You sound too accepting for me to be comfortable with. Women who go along to get along usually are setting standards that say its a little okay.. smh.. Poor guys?! You make these high paying very well educated men sound ignorant. Men can control themselves I do not cosign to the the rhetoric of men will be men..

  • Gail

    Uh, actually no. They generally aren't geeks. 99% of the time, investment bankers (not analysts) are alpha males. I've worked and schooled with hundreds, and although they may be morally bankrupt, misogynistic, narcissistic, and arrogant as he$$, weak they are not.

  • J2PC

    What self-respecting woman in the corporate world believes that she will be respected & taken seriously based off her own merits & talents while taking a photo like that? That image would have a world of folks second-guessing a #MeToo claim in that situation.

    The men can just be themselves & not behave like that. Yet, some of those women go out their way to show cleavage, wear a short hooker skirt & heels as if she all about the skripp club instead of her talents & merits mixed with a woman exuding a sense of worth & self-respect.

    Legs wide-opened says I am not really that talented in the corporate world but can you overlooked that if I can stroke your ego & be used to give you a quickie every now and then in exchange for a job? Then, when the man says enough you just don't cut it anymore and I we really need those who can help move this company or thing forward...let's cry about all the times he #MeToo me that I kept quiet about until it conveniently suits me.

    Sickening! It does a disservice for all the real harassed, molested or rape victims out there. I don't blame the men for being wiser to protect themselves given that some women have lied. Meet female clients in glassed/window revealing offices where others employees can witness any misbehaving at a glance during a meeting or interview. If females flip flop on that then you know what's up: ulterior motive and being frustrated with not achieving their goal of creating mischief. ijs

  • J2PC

    I don't blame the men for being wiser to protect themselves given that some women have lied.

    Meet female clients in glassed/window revealing offices where others employees can witness any misbehaving at a glance during a meeting or interview. If females flip flop on that then you know what's up: ulterior motive and being frustrated with not achieving their goal of creating mischief. ijs

  • Eileen

    So eloquently stated! I was the wife of a senior field grade Officer in the USArmy. Do you think for one minute I would invite any single women from my husbands unit in this day and age to my home? Hell no She would "prolly" call my cocktail party and orgy!

  • Eileen

    she thinks she is a man doing the man-spread

  • Gail

    I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm saying there are consequences for the MOVEMENT. Furthermore, if 'mindful business women' had handled these issues on the spot as you suggest, there wouldn't have been a need for a movement in the first place.

  • Eileen

    I dont think they hate us I think they see us as another set of problems they have to try to understand. wm get the ww because she is their counterpart bm are whole other story. hence they have my sympathy

  • Eileen

    when ww get what they want from their wm...everyone else is discarded, hence i dont care one bit what ails them

  • Eileen

    You sound very extreme...

  • Eileen

    Now we are talking...how in the world will women meet and get married with this craziness going on? but then again the feminists/lesbians are happy that "young women" will not have choices so they will have to settle for artificial insemenation, and a dike with a strap on! but its ok its normal and natural...SMH

  • Gail

    You are assuming that 'exclusion' is a tangible thing. How do you prove that you weren't put on a deal because you are a woman. Maybe it was because the client was in the same b-school section, or went to the same boarding school as your Male competitor. The struggle is real, and HR policies won't fix it.

  • Gail

    There are no ethics on Wall Street!! It's all about making money and not getting caught if and when you color outside the lines. If you produce, you get paid. PERIOD.

  • Robert lee Bennett OG

    Yeh right they take ZERO shyt from their white bosses in a Corporation yeh right

  • Robert lee Bennett OG

    But watch how folks say it’s not true that’s why I left these work world a long time ago

  • T Willis

    Exactly!!!

  • T Willis

    Thank you! Lol I’m like wtf?!

  • T Willis

    ??

  • T Willis

    Yup

  • T Willis

    You are too wise lol ??

  • WutizstillHERE!

    They don't btw..the VP who they are under isn;t white here he is Hispanic so. maybe the culture here is different than most. We have a very diverse office. While its 98% men, we have a diverse ethnicity group.from just about everywhere..

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    You have an odd definition of weak.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    That's why it's called work and not the 'scrip' club.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Please don't allow that troll to suck you into his underworld.

  • Enoughsaid2020

    Regardless of any movement these men in Corporate America, will never let a women lead, unless, she is running the company. SMH!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    LOL. And women like you would be defending the men regardless of timing or evidence.

  • Gail

    Let me define. They are not weak in their resolve to maintain power, or in their belief that they are the best equipped to wield it.

  • Li-Wright

    I predicted this would happen....across the board, even in Hollywood. I expect actors who do hookups will have their meetings taped and audio recorded....that's what Harvey did. Yeh, I can see men not wanting to be anywhere near a (pretty professional) woman.

  • R Smith

    That's probably a professional model in the photo above:o) MOST women on Wall Street do dress professionally!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Well that's my definition of weak--someone whose value is based on maintaining some superficial and fleeting idea of controlling other human beings.
    That sounds like the definition of fear to me.
    I used to want to be white until there was a huge racial incident at my school when I was in 11th grade then I realized that 99% of my white peers and their parents were frightened insecure human beings who were barely holding it together.

  • T Willis

    That’s a straw man argument. If you are being harassed or (sexually) assaulted, you should utilize whatever governmental or HR services available to you. What I’m saying is, the movement has been reduced to flimsy one sided accusations that wouldn’t normally hold up in the court of law. We’re talking about gestures or comments that “can be” viewed as disrespectful or sexual in nature. These are accusations that can’t be substantiated or proven, and are one sided against men. It’s setting a legal precedent for women to be excluded from social gatherings or environments that promote networking and career advancement.

  • T Willis

    No - I’m not questioning why yt men prefer yt women, or vice versa. I actually agree with you and the reasonings for why yt men and yt women are loyal to one another. I’m just extending that point - their loyalty to one another - that concrete loyalty that yt ppl have for one another is the reason why you, and other women of color, should worry if yt women are questioning the effects of #metoo. They see this movement as some sort of fracture to their “power”. The inability to be in those male-dominated spaces to find a husband, to get that govt contract, to get that CEO position etc., If yt women are experiencing it then it means that women of color are going to experience it 10 fold. We need to worry and be concerned.

  • ALLMINE?

    You're pathetic b*tch.. men built this dam country and gave women rights.

  • the guest

    Speak!

  • the guest

    This is not just the men taking precaution. These men have mothers and fathers. This is not just on Wall Street. Mothers and Fathers are advising their successful adult sons and raising their young sons to be cautious of being alone with or set up by a woman. When successful men are set up, not talking about the guilty pigs who abuse women, talking about the men who are set up, the families that love, invested in and depend on them suffer too. So people are raising and advising sons to be cautious of women.

  • Antonio Georges

    "If men avoid working or traveling with women alone, or stop mentoring women for fear of being accused of sexual harassment, those men are going to back out of a sexual harassment complaint and right into a sex discrimination complaint," said Stephen Zweig, an employment attorney with FordHarrison. — WTF IS THIS CLOWN TALKING ABOUT? I DOUBT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE NO ONE SAID THEYRE NOT GOING TO HIRE THEM, SIMPLY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALONE WITH THEM. ANOTHER LIBERAL SIMP TRYING TO SCARE MEN INTO THINKING THAT ITS WRONG TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

  • J2PC

    The women of Wall St. should feel insulted by that pic which does them a disservice. It undermine their perceived value or worth & professionalism as women in the workplace and replaced by the subliminal vulgar pic where women just spread their legs to expose their privates for a job.

    It insults the idea of MeToo. ijs

  • R Smith

    Understood!

  • YellowSauce

    its already done honey child baby girl .... and what kind of "professional" has business meetings in strip clubs? that's instant sexual harassment and proves the NEED for me 2 ... keep business professional and this wouldn't be a problem ... there are 2 kinds of offenders here .. men that actually ARE NOT professional and women who LIE about being harassed and so to say the me 2 movement is affecting your job ... IT SHOULD ... you can sue for being discriminated against as a woman and not being hired for it so if it is really affecting your job then lawyer up honey but the movement is already out here in FULL FORCE and if any woman is complaining about it, makes her seem to be an enabler of the misogynistic behavior that me 2 is trying to combat. When you go to a male gyn a nurse now HAS to be in the room and if that needs to happen in the office then so be it. Its bad ... just walking down the street women are constantly sexually harassed no one wants to have to deal with that at work ... you want to work and got home to pay bills the ultimate reason people have jobs not to get pinned on a wall by your boss ....

  • CookieMobster

    Sh1t these feminists ruined it for all of us. I would be GLAD to be a submissive wife (within reason) and be able to stay home and tend to the house and children because little ole me is considered the "weaker sex" and to delicate and dumb to work. But now folks trying to make women and men equal and they will never be because that not what God intended. He'll we even got womenz out here trying to be men. What the world??

  • Carla Lucille

    WTF are you talking about? Get the f*** out of here. God DID make us equal. We have different roles but we are EQUAL. I think men should act accordingly. If you are professional then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

  • WutizstillHERE!

    Lesson learned Roderick..(hugs)

  • Mrs. S. O.

    You act like there's just so many Black women CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. We've *been* feeling the lack of opportunities. We've been feeling it for CENTURIES now. Let's not act like because white women are hurting, it's going to hurt us more, it WON'T. We're already at the bottom lol

  • Mrs. S. O.

    Off topic: I work at a place where the Black "directors" get titles like " Director of diversity and inclusion", "HR Manager", and "Director of Public Relations". None of them are in income producing positions and they hardly have any power.

  • elroy

    what do you define as equal? by all studies, we're definitely not equal

  • elroy

    Why are women pressed on leading companies that are built and maintained by men? Why not build companies with other women?

  • elroy

    Please point me to the successful societies that are built and maintained by women

  • elroy

    Exactly, this is the only rational response for men

  • elroy

    Exactly, this should be common sense

  • Enoughsaid2020

    I have no idea. I totally agree.

  • Eileen

    Then the feminists would be out of business and also fresh carpet to munch compliments of silly young professional girls that have been brainwashed in the feminazi foolishness

  • Eileen

    Preach...there is None! God knows what he is doing that is why men and women must work together respect each other's talents and move mountains together...a female country would never survive that's why None exists!

  • Eileen

    You are right ...that is why they are called the Wolves of Wallstreet!

  • Eileen

    The confidence of a white man...classic,

  • Eileen

    Yes I have noticeded that sad little gesture from the liberals in corporate America the position of HR is considered the ghetto of corporate America and now we have the inclusion diversity bs....really

  • Eileen

    You have a whole lot to say...when do you work just asking ?

  • Eileen

    Thank you

  • Rhyme and Reason

    Yes! And, also as important are young college men, who’s future can be wiped out before it even starts! Black athletes have always been easy targets. Boxer Jack Johnson really tried it!

    Black men as all men better take this movement as a wake-up call, of course, they will suffer more than any other group of men!

    But, I know many black men will not heed caution, they won’t believe anyone is talking about them or are just hating!