Why so much hate for LSLH women? I get this question asked of me frequently via emails. The question stems from my use of the acronym LSLH to describe light skinned women with long hair who are revered by black men and the media as the ideal standard for black woman.
And maybe as a subconscious consequence of that the media reverence for LSLH women, we now see 90% of black women wearing long, bone straight wigs and weave, and/or buying skin lightening cream in bulk.
Thank God for women like talk show Diva Tyra Banks (and even Solange Knowles) who sees the long term hopelessness in substituting our own natural beauty in favor of a media manipulated standard of black beauty.
I totally disagree with blogger AverageBro, who, in his post about this subject, cautions his white readers to “watch this one from the sidelines,” as if white people aren’t savvy enough to understand the complex issues surrounding self-hate and media manipulation of black culture.
This isn’t about me or about black women who stand by while their men parade their LSLH chicks around them and their children. It’s about a media and society at large that attempts to subjugate strong black women by means of substituting our blackness with acceptable light skin mixed women, who then turn around and whine that black women aren’t accepting of them.
Here’s an excerpt from AverageBro’s post:
One interesting pattern I always see develop on black gossip blogs is when a black guy with some level of fame is seen out with a black woman. If the woman is lightskinned, with long hair (a term so common it even has an accepted acronym: LSLH), the guy will inevitably be pelted with all sorts of insults in the comments section about how he dislikes “real” black women, and probably wants a white girl anyway.[1] On the other hand, a black man seen with a brownskinned woman (a term that doesn’t have an acronym of its own), he’ll usually get commended for “keepin’ it real” and “staying true”.[2] For an example of this paradox, just Google the terms “NBA player’s wife” and “Denzel Washington’s wife”.
Only people with weak minds allow the media to dictate to them what beauty is. Just because they say that men with rock hard bodies are hot doesn’t mean that I find that look hot… I don’t. I like my man with some meat on him.
I agree and disagree with that. Black women as a whole do have issues with each other as far as Light Skin verse Brown Skin, but that’s because that is what society has taught us. It’s up to us to pull ourselves out the box, and not go for what is “deemed” black beauty.
tameka going off on twitter bout that plagarism story.
LJ do tell = (copy and paste).
I’m brown skin and I have no issue with LS or DS women. I believe beauty comes in all shades just like ugly does.
@Lady Meka sure is going off she let “how u doing” Jawn have it lol SHOTS FIRED via Twitter lol
Yes, someone please copy and paste…cant view twitter at work. I’m very interested in her response to it.
a term that doesn’t have an acronym of its own)
Now it does B.S.B.W(Brown Skinned Black Woman.
i have to do it from my phone it will take a sec.
Any person calling them self a “journalist” & constantly reporting B.S is a fake! Journalist check facts. If I “plagiarized” then SUE ME!
This poor woman wants her book to fly, I wish her well.. I’ve never heard of her or it, but NOT on my dime! I’m really PISSED. BS stops 2day
Spends his “How you doin’?” days conjuring up b.s abt ME! News must be slow these days, keep PROMOTING me! We’re in a MORAL recession!
Obsession is NEVER healthy.. I’m flattered by the multiple keystrokes, but worried abt folks motives. To be hot? To be loved? Noticed? I’m
Dont
me Auntie..Thanks!
We are our own worst enemy…
This hasnt affected my in my adult life…but I feel like TALKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH IS MAKING PEOPLE THINK AND BELIEVE THIS ISSUE HAS A HUGE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY. To be perfectly honest…I love being darker than what I actually am. That sunkissed look is beautiful. Some of the finest men I’ve ever seen were down in Miami. MOST OF THEM WERE BLACK IS HAIL AND I COULDN’T STOP STARING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SKIN COLOR…SEEK JESUS!
I’m LIVID this morning..I don’t get there often! But when I do..there’s HELL to pay! Lol… How dare this woman and the fake journalist that
Left off one
@TamekaRaymond: “To steal ideas from one person is called PLAGAIRISM, to steal ideas from many is research.” ~Unknown Ppl seek claim & fame by any means!
@TamekaRaymond: The r NO original thoughts! U CANT patent a mindset or a paradigm! I’m annoyed that this is trying to go there, I’ve never been to Fresno &
@TamekaRaymond: Dont OWN any 96 page, SELF published books, nor find time to read them to write abt them! I will seek recourse on this..Ppl are TOO thirsty!
@TamekaRaymond: I am VERY on the defensive because I am VERY offended, by a woman I’ve never known was BORN putting my name in her mouth at all!
@TamekaRaymond: I’m LIVID this morning..I don’t get there often! But when I do..there’s HELL to pay! Lol… How dare this woman and the fake journalist that
@TamekaRaymond: Spends his “How you doin’?” days conjuring up b.s abt ME! News must be slow these days, keep PROMOTING me! We’re in a MORAL recession!
@TamekaRaymond: Obsession is NEVER healthy.. I’m flattered by the multiple keystrokes, but worried abt folks motives. To be hot? To be loved? Noticed? I’m
@TamekaRaymond: Confused.. I really MUST be LIFE changing to so many for both the positive/negative things I hear abt MYself. Lol! Its sad yet flattering!
@TamekaRaymond: This poor woman wants her book to fly, I wish her well.. I’ve never heard of her or it, but NOT on my dime! I’m really PISSED. BS stops 2day
@TamekaRaymond: Any person calling them self a “journalist” & constantly reporting B.S is a fake! Journalist check facts. If I “plagiarized” then SUE ME!
DANGIT daisy u beat me! lol
You put more up than I did lol So now everybody has everything I am not posting anything else until I know Auntie wont
me lol
I’m on Tameka’s side on this….
That woman is whining!!! SHE NEEDS TO GO SIT DOWN! Actually, I think I’m becoming a Tameka fan! She’s thorogh with hers.
Sandra – please don’t ban them
Thanks ladies…all I can say is Wow. I knew this would get her revved up today.
I’m glad she is clearing this up. The whole story had me confused. If she stole the work why didn’t they quote what she stole?
Sidebar. There is nothing wrong with self published books… I’m sure in the midst of putting mine out. Hump
I, like so many other dark skin women don’t have a “problem” with my color, but I do know that the darker skinned women are not viewed as LSLH women are. People can close their eyes to the intraracism that exists in our community but trust me it is out there. Now, I could go back to the days of slavery and break it down from there, but I will simply say that media and western civilization has given an idea of beauty and it and continues to be a fair skinned woman with long hair. I have several experiences in my own life, but Sandra would have to give me a whole day to discuss this. The pitiful thing is that black men have bought into this and they prefer a more “exotic looking” woman than one that looks like them or their mothers. We see it everyday, sometimes in “our” own so-called media. We can go back to TV shows created for us…..look at how the darker skin women is always portrayed. Darker skinned women always have to have a little something extra for black men to even notice them, but the only requirement for the lighter skin women is lighter skin and long hair…….Okay getting of my soapbox now.
I was thinking they were saying she stole the whole article, but I think they are just saying she parapharsed it.
school daze all over again! good or bad haiiiir whether ur dark or ur faiiiiir. go on and swear see if i care good or bad hair!
Rocking the natural hair do and my Black Panther t-shirt as I type. I do not need the media to tell me or my daughter that we are beautiful because we already know it. Take that racism and sexism.
Hairdo, not hair do
@mason I knew somebody was going to ref. school daze lol
I was about to write something, and saw what dhoward wrote. Agree with everything. And its tru..the issue is so deep we could be here all day talking about it.
@ Dbrown I think it works both ways and it depends on what shoes you are standing in. I’m sure LSLH women have their own stories to tell. Remember the wife in Jungle Fever when she broke it down.. Octoron, quadron, high yellow, honkey..
Non Light tv women
Aunt Viv (the real one)
Claire Huxtable.
Nelle Carter (& she was a big women)
The mother on the Robert Towsand Show
Bernie Mac’s Wife
Tishina Arnold (hates Chris)
Brandy
The woman who played Moesha Mother (can’t think of her real name)
Toni Childs
The woman who played Ray’s wife (Y can’t I remember her name. And she loves yt men)
The list goes on. I’m just saying. Depends on who eyes you are looking thru.
Sandra, please post the salon vidoeo from School Daze. Folks need to be reminded of their ignorance.
Sidebar: Don’t ya worry about that, cause I don’t mind being black.
Happy 2 B Nappy!!!!
AND?….excuse me for being tired of the industry standard!! I haven’t said anything negative about dudes who are with the LSLH women….I get offended by videos that only have LSLH women in them, but shyt I bytch and boycott….thats really all it takes. DOn’t buy the cd deez discriminating niccas drop and don’t support their businesses…simple as that. I don’t have a problem with LSLH, but I do have a problem with anyone who doesn’t uplift every shade of color in the black race…thats just MFO (my fukking opinion)!!!!
*Kerry Washington
Sidebar: I am on Tameka’s side on thi one.
Sidebar: I am on Tameka’s side on this one.
ive always been discriminated against cuz im light skin and got clowned in school i.e. high yellow, wonder bread, big bird, cracker. i use to pray to be darker! ls people go thru it too! i just felt sorry for albino’s.
Everybody gets picked at
dark skinned women are called, BLACK as tar, monkeys, DARKIE, ect….that doesn’t make it any better if the LSLH women are being uplifted more than the BSBW are.
i didnt ask to be LS. it is typical for LH which is why im rockin the short cut becuz long hair is borin to me anywayz!thats just media hypin shyt up. nobody made a fuss about supermodel iman, grace jones, naomi sims for being darker! and yes “school daze” is one of my favorite movies! and i do discriminate cuz i cant stand light skin men. i prefer amistad dark…my son still came out light n bright!
Hello All. Have you ever noticed how Hollywood embraces the black man, the black man with black features? Can we name one major black male Hollywood star that is white-looking or close to light skinned-ed? Let’s see, we have Denzel, NOT, Eddie, NOT, Danny Glover, NOT, Cosby, NOT, Poitier, NOT, Will Smith, close but still NOT light-skinned-ed, and definitely not Wesley. Why the double standards? I’m just saying.
@PA Mr Baby wipes himself T Howard, Micheal Ealy and Shemar Moore to name a few and I don’t think Will is light per say rather brown IMO.
what about shemar moore, boris kudjoe, tyler perry, ll cool j, vin diesal, oh wait..u said major!
daisy…mr baby wipes though..lmaooooo
masonmom Says:
ive always been discriminated against cuz im light skin
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Some ppl automatically assume you are stuck up and until they get know you and find out you are cool as hell they are the ones who miss out on a great person due to their own sterotyping.
thnx anna u took those words right out my mouth! i had this one girl tell me she didnt think i’d be cool n down to earth cuz im light skin. how rude! dont blame for insecurities of being dark. not all light skin people are cute..fyi
The media is yt driven so that’s why they may lean towards LSLH women bein their flavor. & post Wesley LS men ruled the scene. And Al B Sure was the poster child.
Maybe I should start a protest for the forgotten group. I’m probably the exact colour as a paper bag…therefore I call myself medium skinned. My mom is high yellow but she takes every moment to burn in the sun and be darker. My dad is super dark. So…where’s my position in this whole debate since Im smack dab in the middle? My only problem is those commercials that use kids…why do they always have only mixed kids? I mean…even if the 2 parents are black, the kid in the Huggies commercial is mixed with this big curly hair. I just dont get it
and gap kids be lookin mixed too! i know one thing..sean john better stop fakin and add mason’s swag! i forgot what comedian said LS brothas was in until wesley stabbed chris williams hand in new jack city, lol.
*pre Wesley not Post.
THE HATE WORKS BOTH WAYS-
DARK SKINNED WOMEN ARE CRITICIZED JUST AS MUCH AND YALL TORE USHER’S WIFE A NEW ONE EVERYTIME THERE WAS A POST-TALKING ABOUT HOW UGLY AND MANLY SHE WAS
DARK SKINNED WOMEN WITH BIG BUTTS ARE WHORES, AND LIGHT SKINNED WHO POSED HALF NUDE WITH BIG BUTTS JUST LOOKED GOOD
AGAIN ANOTHER PREMISE TORE APART-MAKING HALF ARSE STATEMENTS TO SPARK A DEBATE OR CONTROVERSEY THAT SHIAT WORKS BOTH WAYS
FROM LIGHT TO DARK
AND AS FAR AS ATHLETES AND ACTORS WHO DATE LSLH WOMEN VS DARK SKIN ONES-THEY GET CRITICIZED EQUALLY
SOMEONE CLOWNS THEM FOR BEING DARK OR LSLH-PUHLEEZE THIS SITE IS NO BETTER THAN ()OSSIP ALWAYS TRYING TO GET BLACK FOLKS ARGUING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER
Well I said it before I will say it again if Amber was dark skin and bald headed(yes I know its by choice) she wouldnt get one take let alone a double take
Mspeng….they still consider us dark skinned babe.
@ intensemoca
well we did agree that there was ugly in both shades….I don’t think people discriminated againgst Tameaka for her skin color, we just felt like Usher could do better….like Chilli better.
how about this
REAL AND CHANCE have a big stupid booty gurl on the their second season Her name is Tamara…her nickname is “JUNK”
she is darkskinned
FLAVOR FLAVE had a big stupid booty gurl on his second season as well, her name was London…her nickname was “DELICIOUS” she was LSLH.
compare JUNK to DELICIOUS??….who the hell names a bytch JUNK……is that all darkskinned women are worth. Now true enought these shows exploit our women in a negative way, but they are exploited in EVERY SHADE so there is no need to elaborate on that. I just want yall to tell me what you think of those nicknames
Blame the media yo….its the truth you have subliminal messages being played in commericals…videos…movies…telling you LSLH is better….google it people….we not doing this sh!t to ourselves…its being programmed into YOU…BY YOUR FAVORITE STARS….for a LONG TIME…there’s nothing New under the sun…THERE ARE NO DARKSKINNED WOMEN ON TV FOR A REASON…..IN MOVIES…COMMERCIALS…ON BILLBOARDS…WHY…KELLY HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER DAMN COUNTRY YO….WHY WOULD A 4 YEAR OLD BLACK GIRL TIME AFTER TIME CHOOSE A WHITE DOLL OVER A BLACK DOLL??? ONLY 4..WHAT HAS SHE LEARNED SO FAST & HOW???? SHE NOT GETTING IT FROM HER PARENTS…4 YEARS OLD..SHE NOT GETTING IT FROM DAYCARE BUT CHANCE AFTER CHANCE THE PICKING THE WHITE DOLL…why?? as EARLY AS 4 THE HAVE ALREADY PICKED UP THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES FROM TV….WHITE/LIGHT IS RIGHT
If Tameka “paraphrased” from that lady’s book, or used any kind of research, using her own words without citing her sources, then she plagiarized that lady’s book, and every source she used to write her article.
She better watch out when she said “Sue me”…..she just might get what she’s asking for…from more than just that lady…..I’m just saying….
I don’t like “Junk” and not because of skin color. Not even because of her tore up mouth frame. But because she is a loud mouth troublemaker. I hope she is kicked off this week. & Real & Chance seem to like women who aren’t black (light or dark).
@ fly there aren’t any black women on tv.. Point blank period… outside of reality tv.
Krysi J Says:
how about this
REAL AND CHANCE have a big stupid booty gurl on the their second season Her name is Tamara…her nickname is “JUNK”
she is darkskinned
FLAVOR FLAVE had a big stupid booty gurl on his second season as well, her name was London…her nickname was “DELICIOUS” she was LSLH.
compare JUNK to DELICIOUS??….who the hell names a bytch JUNK……is that all darkskinned women are worth. Now true enought these shows exploit our women in a negative way, but they are exploited in EVERY SHADE so there is no need to elaborate on that. I just want yall to tell me what you think of those nicknames
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Good example. All these men are brown skin. We don’t see a white man exploiting black/light skin(don’t matter what shade)a negro is still a negro. White men would not dare have a show and exploit black women the way that we let our black men do. It’s not acceptable and it’s up to us to quit wanting a job so badly that we are willing to tramp ourselves out.
I DONT EVEN KNOW Y WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION…TOMORROW NO ONE WILL CARE…IF WE DID CARE WE WOULD STOP SUPPORTING stupid PROGAMMING point BLANK… one of the biggest “stars” right now who is already light skinned…has to have her image enhanced 3 times lighter than what she is …AND SHE DDOESNT EVEN SPEAK OUT AS A BLACK WOMAN….this stuff is never gonna change
@iscream
@ fly there aren’t any black women on tv.. Point blank period… outside of reality tv.
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out of sight OUT OF MIND!
I LIKE PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE-AND I LIKE WOMEN WHO DON’T TAKE NO SHIAT LIGHT OR DARK
MY FRIENDS AND ARE RANGE FROM THE LIGHTEST TO THE DARKEST AND WE ALL BELIEVE EACH OF US ARE EQUALLY BEAUTIFUL-HECK BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE USE TO CLUB (90’S) WE WOULD JOKE WITH THE MEN AND SAY WE HAD A “10” IN EVERY SHADE OF THE RAINBOW-AND THE MEN LOVED IT
SKINNY, VOLUPTOUS, THICK, ATHLETIC-WE WERE A DIVERSE GROUP-WEAVE, DREADS,SHORT CUTS, LONG HAIR-YEP MY CREW HAD IT ALL
AND WOMEN ARE THE ONES WHO TEND TO BASH ONE ANOTHER MEN LIKE EVERY SHADE AND SIZE, THERE’S ENOUGH LOVE TO GO AROUND FOR EVERYONE
Good example. All these men are brown skin. We don’t see a white man exploiting black/light skin(don’t matter what shade)a negro is still a negro. White men would not dare have a show and exploit black women the way that we let our black men do. It’s not acceptable and it’s up to us to quit wanting a job so badly that we are willing to tramp ourselves out.
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“My Antonio” is exploiting every race as well
“Rock of Love” exploits every race but mainly white
really VH1 doesn’t discriminate, which is WHY i didn’t want to debate about that.
i got a sister & had a mother both Rihanna shade then I got a sister thats a little bit browner and I’m darker than all of them & I’m still not dark brown……but we all look ALIKE…. ONE DAY MY LIGHT BRIGHT SIS SAID…AWW LOOK SHE CUTE TO BE BROWN SKINNED….talking about one of her stick girls friend..everyone looked at her like WTF!…she felt so bad..she was like I dont even know y I said that….then she was like i mean she is pretty.. it was already to late…but I dont think she was being funny…i just think she used to people telling her how pretty she is and seeing how LSLH women are treated….IDK..but I always joke her when she say I’m pretty…i say to be a brown girl right..and she gets mad…lol
I don’t blame the media for this issue at all. I blame history. I blame the ignorance that we continue to pass down to our children since slavery. I was teased constantly about being light. They’d call me white girl (yes it was offensive) said I had lice in my hair would sing songs about the darker the berry the sweeter the juice and black is beautiful white is ugly if you don’t believe me ask that hunky. The media wasn’t teaching those kids those songs back in 1982. Give me a break. Once I got older girls would wanna give me the side eye just cause I was light and evidently I thought I was too good even though I was never rockin the latest gear and my hair was never fly. It was just because.
STOP TEACHIN THIS SHIT. IF YOU HEAR YOUR SONS SAY “SHE’S CUTE FOR A DARKER SKINNED GIRL” CORRECT HIM!! Let him know that girl is beautiful regardless of his skinned tone. Teach your children about the beauty of just being black regardless of your skin tone. Teach them how beautiful it is that one race of people can come in so many different colors and teach them the beauty in that.
Tameka got dogged out cause she wasn’t attractive and she was manly. Have you checked out ole girls shoulders. It had nothing to do with her skin color. Tiny gets dogged out cause she is funny looking. Skin color has nothing to do with a persons appearance. If you funny looking you just plain damn funny looking.
@ Mia
Please forgive me for
at those songs. I so remember those songs. Lmao. But yeah kids are mean. They tease you for whatever and everything… lil bastards.
But
I bet if you saw half of them now they wouldn’t remember ever saying that.
WOW-THAT TAMEKA COMMENT MUST HAVE STEPPED ON SOME TOES
BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER-USHER FOUND HER ATTRACTIVE AND AT THE END OF THE DAY “HIS” OPINION WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTER SINCE HE WAS MARRYING HER
BUT TRUST AND BELIEVE SHE DIDN’T FIT SOCIETY’S IMAGE OF BEAUTY HENCE BEING DARK-SKINNED, QUEEN LATIFAH HAS BROAD SHOULDERS SHE DOESN’T APPEAR TO BE MANLY TO ME…HMMMH AND SHE’S ALLEGEDLY GAY, BUT YET IN STILL ITS RARE YOU HEAR SOMEONE REFER TO HER AS MANLY BECAUSE OF HER BROAD SHOULDERS
TO YOU TAMEKA-WASN’T ATTRACTIVE TO ME SHE WAS AN AVERAGE LOOKING WOMAN AND THERE WAS NOTHING MANLY ABOUT HER-THE SAME PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING LABELED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IRONICALLY DO IT THEMSELVES TO OTHERS
ALICIA KEYES SAID IT BEST-SHE IS LIGHT SKIN AND HAS LONG HAIR AND SHE SAID SHE NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE TREATING HER DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF HER LOOKS-BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T CARE HERSELF AS IF SHE WAS ALL THAT SO PEOPLE DIDNT ASSUME SO-(RESEARCH ESSENCE ARTICLE) SOMETIMES IT HAS ALOT TO DO WITH YOUR OWN PERCEPTION AND ACTIONS THERE IS NO WAY TO DETERMINE WHY EACH AND EVERY PERSON DOESN’T LIKE YOU AND MAKE THE DETERMINATION IT’S BECAUSE OF HOW YOU LOOK-IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR ASSUMPTIONS OR ATTITUDES
YOU EXPECT PEOPLE NOT TO LIKE OR DISLIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE LIGHT SKIN-MAYBE THAT’S WHAT YOU GET BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU EXPECT, IT’S CALLED SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY AND IF YOU THINK IT TRUST AND BELIEVE YOUR ACTIONS SUPPORT THIS BELIEF AS WELL
*skipping the “IN CAPS” book chapter 10* *skimming, skimming*
ahhh
ITS RARE YOU HEAR SOMEONE REFER TO HER AS MANLY BECAUSE OF HER BROAD SHOULDERS.
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actually Queen Latifah has been declared a man since “set it off”
YOU EXPECT PEOPLE NOT TO LIKE OR DISLIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE LIGHT SKIN-MAYBE THAT’S WHAT YOU GET BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU EXPECT, IT’S CALLED SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY AND IF YOU THINK IT TRUST AND BELIEVE YOUR ACTIONS SUPPORT THIS BELIEF AS WELL
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AINT THAT THE MU’FUGGIN TRUTH! That can apply to so many different situations.
um im lightskin with short hair, where i stand?
lol im so late today
ice yeah they do. I still know most of them and believe I remember. Actually one of the guys apologized to me when we were adults.
I meant I know them and I make sure they remember.
Queen Latifah is pretty especially when glammed up. But not glammed up definately manly.