Raised by her militant father to reject America’s multicultural values, a 13-year-old child prodigy was just informed that she’s not good enough for the first time in her life.
Autum Ashante was only 7 years old when she stood before her middle school audience to recite her poem comparing Christopher Columbus and Charles Darwin to “pirates and vampires” that “robbed Blacks of their identity.” Moments before, she had recited the “Black Child’s Pledge” of the Black Panther Party.
“Black lands taken from your hands by vampires with no remorse. They took the gold, the wisdom and all the storytellers. They took the Black women, with the Black man weak. Made to watch as they changed the paradigm of our village… White nationalism is what put you in bondage: pirates and vampires like Columbus, Morgan and Darwin drank the blood of the sheep, trampled all over them with steel, tricks and deceit…”
Some white students walked out, and the NY Post reported that Autum was banned from reciting the poem at any public school.
Autumn’s father, Batin Ashante, a devout follower of the Minister Louis Farrakhan, explained that there had been violent clashes between Black and Latino students at Autum’s middle school, and she wanted to give them something to think about “that would stop them from wanting to kill each other.”
Ashante abruptly pulled his daughter out of the public school system and home-schooled her for the next 6 years.
The child prodigy, once dubbed the “racist poet,” landed in the headlines again when she was accepted to the mostly white University of Connecticut this year at the tender age of 13.
Little Autum made the rounds of the talk shows, speaking eloquently to reporters 3 times her age. The black blogosphere celebrated her achievements, calling the youngster a “genius” and comparing her to a young Einstein.
But like most child prodigies, Autum’s story does not have a happy ending: the school that accepted her has now revoked her admission.
“Batin Ashante said his daughter, Autum, is ‘devastated’ after university officials called him [Saturday] to ‘rescind’ their offer of acceptance.” Batin said, “They said they now feel she’s not academically ready…That’s B.S.!” On June 16th, a University of Connecticut spokesperson by the name of Richard Veilleaux confirmed that Autum had indeed been accepted to the university. As for these latest developments, NYDailyNews.com reports that “Veilleux did not immediately return calls for comment.” Source
Ashante and his daughter still plan to move to Connecticut anyway. “I’m her dad and it just bothers me to see her go through this…I’m fed up. They have insulted us and the work that we’ve put in…I’m not sure I want her to be involved with an institution that treats her like that,” he told the NY Daily News.
Not to be discouraged, Ashante says they will seek “other educational opportunities.” It should be noted that there are no HBCU’s in Connecticut.
To be quite honest, I really don’t know how I feel about this yet. I may need to research and ponder for a while!
Keep your head up Ashante…. Nothing good in life comes easy. I wish you and your family all the best and do know we need more like you. You are who are kids should have as role models and not Kim Kardashian, Beyonce or Amber Rose…
I agree with Tatted Diva..
Its hard to really say how you feel about the situation. SIGH……
At least she is getting an education I guess…..
If her academics were good enough when they initially accepted her, then what has changed about her academic abilities to make the school rescind? It seems somebody at UConn was late in getting wind of who this girl and her father was, and they’re just now deciding to reject her because of that.
With all that said, it surprises me that her staunchly pro-black father wouldn’t want his daughter to attend an HBCU rather than a predominantely white university like UConn.
It should be noted that there are no HBCU’s in Connecticut.
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Hmmm interesting. Are those schools not good enough for his daughter? I don’t know how I feel about this just yet, but that was an interesting last sentence Sandra.
“It should be noted that there are no HBCU’s in Connecticut.”
“Autumn’s father, Batin Ashante, a devout follower of the Minister Louis Farrakhan…”
I sincerely wish parents would let children be children… we should spend more time teaching values and character instead of trying to make our children be who we aren’t. I am not a fan of parents who live thru their children. These kids never turn out well, a child who lacks a childhood turns out to be an odd adult. Look at Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, hell Lindsay Lohan.
If she has a gift, not to be confused with talent. As gifts come from God, talents is often manufactured… why must we continue to lose our children? Especiall your young girls.. he will teach her hate but not teach her how to deal with the real world? We put to many titles on people, especially children. She isn’t old enough to even know who she is.. her gift will become a talent…
Wow! Very interesting! I think the daughter is too young to be involved with issues such as these…and now it is effecting her being able to attend a great university. And I will note, I personally would not attend a HBCU for the simple fact that it wont hold as much weight than if she attended a more prestigious unversity such as UCONN or YALE (which is in CT as well). With all the fuckery that goes on at some HBCU, the reputation is going down. a couple of my family members went to Hampton University and for awhile I wanted to go there. They then went on to get their Masters in other schools.
@ Mother Jefferson, there are lots of blacks in CT, they have one of the biggest west indian populations in the US.
Silly, why speak against “institutions”, then apply to them for your education. I can see this as being a disruption- find another and let her florish there, or better yet since you created this prodigy don’t hand her over to “institutions”- continue to teach her at home. He has five years to officially change her image into an American civil rights leader- we already know the history we need to work towards the future.
Hello All. Her poetry speaks truth and the truth shall set us free. My favorite: FREE YO MIND AND YO ASS WILL FOLLOW! And an original: Let me know my history FIRST before you ask me to get over it! Have a great week family and KEEP HOPE ALIVE!
WOW Dawn are you serious? How can you say anything negative about this child? Who say Ashante’s father is living through her? This is what our children need to know. I am not a parent but I applaud her father for a job well done. His daughter is 13 and on her way her college. That in itself is a great accomplishment.
I received my degree from a HBCU. Yes they lack the presitge as PWI schools, however I had an rewarding expereince and I’ve been able to acquire employement with Virginia State University across my resume. I have go on to study at both John Hopkins University and Trinity University. I wasn’t at a deficit in comparison to my peers.
Anywho….we all scream “Freedom of Speech” unfortunately sometimes that comes with consequences. I don’t know enough…or even care enough about this situation to even begin to have an opinion. So I will say…..I wish her well.
Are most HBCUs of lower quality in comparison to other schools? Is Howard university not a prestigous school? I thought it was but maybe things have changed, or maybe I’m just mistaken.
This is quite interesting & I want to know what the OFFICIAL reason the college rescinded her admission. Them saying she’s not academically ready doesn’t make sense to me, wouldn’t they know that BEFORE accepting her in??
This is pure malarkey. It goes to show the ignorance and and incompetency on the part of the University of Conn.
What upstanding institute accepts a student and then turns around and rejects them???? That in and of itself tells the world that their methods for evaluating students is azz back wards.
He should seek to have their accredidation pulled/reviewed based on that alone. SMH.
And wasn’t a muthaphuckin thing “racist” about her poem. IT SPOKE THE 100%, UNDENIABLE, UNQUESTIONED TRUTH! Since when is speaking the truth “racist?” I think it only is when it effects yt people. SMH.
@X
“And I will note, I personally would not attend a HBCU for the simple fact that it wont hold as much weight than if she attended a more prestigious unversity such as UCONN or YALE (which is in CT as well). With all the ****ery that goes on at some HBCU, the reputation is going down. a couple of my family members went to Hampton University and for awhile I wanted to go there. They then went on to get their Masters in other schools.”
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Ignorance at it’s finest. SMH.
@ Therapist…my cousin went on to recieve her masters from John Hopkins and received her bachelors from Hampton
@ Amatrex…yes they are compared to more prestigous schools like UCONN
I graduated from Johnson C. Smith University an HBCU. I will forever have respect and love for all HBCU’s. Some blacks forget that without HBCU’s giving our ancestors the opportunity to obtain a higher education, they would not be able to attend those “FANCY” PWI such as Yale, or UCONN.
@Black
I didn’t see the negativity in Dawn’s comment about Ashante. I understand her point of view. However, her being able to attend a university at her age is a great accomplishment.
Developmentally/Cognitively I don’t think 13 year olds are ready for college/real world. Having to make a deicision about what you will study, course work load, and all those things can be too much for an 18 year old.
I’m on the fence about this, while I think its great. I thin it’s equally important for a child to have a childhood.
@Laci, I havent forgotten what HBCU originally are here for and what they did for blacks, but lets be honest here, black folks certaintly know how to take a good thing sometimes and bring down its worth and value. Ultimately, I choose a school based on the education I will receive, not because it has all blacks who attend.
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WOW Dawn are you serious? How can you say anything negative about this child? Who say Ashante’s father is living through her? This is what our children need to know. I am not a parent but I applaud her father for a job well done. His daughter is 13 and on her way her college. That in itself is a great accomplishment.
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Reread my comment, it is directed at her father as it is his influence which is affecting his child. At her age she doesn’t know the aift she has nor the proper way to use it. He on the other hand does. Also note I am a parent, wen you become one.. revisit this post.
smh..
According to the courant.com (which is CT’s newspaper), the daughter is extremely intelligent and speaks 3 languages. She considered other schools but had her heart set on UCONN. It sounds like from readint he article, that the school rescinded their offer once they found out about her father (as sandra stated). its sad because she is missing out on what she WANTS because her father wont let her be a child. idk…
@ Man STFU and dont start with me today…
Xamaycan
are you saying whites dont? I’ve been to UNC and NC State and saw some of the coonery coming from Whites. So lets be honest here, we cant say that blacks are the only ones ruining things. I chose to go to a HBCU because I was and am proud of the accomplishments of our people, in addition to the education given.
@X
You have already proven yourself to be an idiot. What is there for me to start with you? SMH.
I’m sure this “Prestigious PWI” that you think so highly of has a very low regard for you. And their feelings are warranted.
Besides the fact her father is a follower of the Minister Louis Farrakhan, who is he really?
@X
I understand your POV as well. However, your assertion makes it seems as if “white is right”.
Unfortunately, this is the attitude many of us take. We send our kids to private school, we move to “white” districts bc there schools are better, we praise Lady GaGA and throw stones at Beyonce (LOL Bey Stan moment)….it happens. If WE put more effort into holding ourselves, our schools, our business toa higher standard we too can be “RIGHT”.
It’s easier to just remove ourselves and assimilate with “WHITE IS RIGHT”
@LACI
Don’t bother with X. She’s a certified buffoon. You will only waste your intellect in “serious” discussion with her.
Defintely not saying whites dont, because they do but somehow they still get the funds to give their students the best education. I cant remmeber where, but I read a couple years ago that alumni dont even contribute to HBCU and the education is lacking. It reminds me of public schools inner city verse suburban schools…we recently had a mother who got arrested for lying about her address so her son can attend a school in the suburbs…inner city schools dont get the funding they should and the education is lacking compared to their counterparts
xamaycan says:
And I will note, I personally would not attend a HBCU for the simple fact that it wont hold as much weight than if she attended a more prestigious unversity such as UCONN or YALE (which is in CT as well).
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Its sad you feel this way, its this very “reasoning” that HBCU’s will not get the recognition that these WHITE colleges/Universities are getting. I loved my experience at my HBCU and would NOT trade it to attend UCONN or YALE. I walked out with a major and double minor that has rewarded me vigorously in the work field. I have beat out competition from folks who attended these so called prestigious universities. WHY? because my University rewarded me with much more than just a school name. I was able to learn LIFE SKILLS as well as enhance my ACADEMIC skills. SO before knocking what you have never experienced, try it first.
@ therarpist…No I dont do not think that way, I just want whats best for my children and want them to have the best education whether its in a HBCU or PWI…
@ man, Im asking you kindly to not respond to me, I havent said anything to you so leave it alone.
xamaycan says:
Defintely not saying whites dont, because they do but somehow they still get the funds to give their students the best education. I cant remmeber where, but I read a couple years ago that alumni dont even contribute to HBCU and the education is lacking.
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maybe you should stop reading……
@ Laci & @Man
I was just about to say the samething! These PWI do the samething the HBCU students do when it comes to partying, flunking out, and not giving a good got dayum about the insitituion of higher learning.
I live 2 miles from University of Maryland “Go Terps” and believe me they PARRRRRTYYYYY and BS!
What I will admit is that have a strong ALUMNI association that gives back.
SO I don’t completely disagree with Xman, we as a community have to do better with out schools and children.
@ Gemini Eyez, that is my opinion and I didnt exeprience it for a reason. I have plently of family members who attended HBCU and chose to further their education elsewhere. Trust me, for a while I would have loved to go to Hampton, but education is too expensive to throw away. I am glad you had a good experience, but not all are like that. Basically you get what you give in an education.
Xamaycan,
At the end of the day, its about the individual and their individual needs. I read that article as well and I can understand why a mother would want her child to go to a better school. I dont understand the punishment. I thought that was way to harsh, but when my child starts applying for colleges and universities i will encourage HBCUs, but whatever school he gets a scholarship from will be the one for him.
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Defintely not saying whites dont, because they do but somehow they still get the funds to give their students the best education. I cant remmeber where, but I read a couple years ago that alumni dont even contribute to HBCU and the education is lacking. It reminds me of public schools inner city verse suburban schools…we recently had a mother who got arrested for lying about her address so her son can attend a school in the suburbs…inner city schools dont get the funding they should and the education is lacking compared to their counterparts
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Good point! I made the same point in an earlier comment
This The Great White Way is not the right way. Some of us give them waaay too much credit.
@therapist
I live in MD to and I know all about the Terps and their partying. However, not every HBCU lacks funding and Alumni support just as not every PWI has a great amount of funding and support either. We always go back to talking about what we as a “community” have to do. For every instance someone can find where the school and children are lacking this and that I can pull statistics, articles, people, etc where we are doing our part for the upcoming generation. Its never going to be a 100% but the overall perception shouldnt be that the entire black community doesnt support, educate, or finance our people.
@ therapist1911 @xamaycan
I agree! We have to do better. HBCUs are usually more expanisive. JCSU is now 21,000 a year. Thats because there is no state funding and the school has to rely on alumni and sponsors
*Historically whites wouldnt allow state funding or allow HBCU to become state univiersity’s*
@ laci, and I respect that. Getting accepted into a college is a accomplishment in its own and I am not saying I would discourage a HBCU either. I simply want the best for my child and I’m not looing at the color of the students who attend either.
@X
“Im asking you kindly to not respond to me, I havent said anything to you so leave it alone.”
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Not sure what you “asking me kindly” has to do with anything or what this “it” is I should be leaving alone.
But, I will speak my mind as I see fit. You have made ignorant statements and proven yourself to be an idiot. That’s not my fault for pointing that out. That’s what you are.
Embrace it and strive to be more. <<<suggestion
I think the father is using the kid for publicity. He knows she would get more headlines if she is accepted to a white university vs a black one. It has nothing to do with the quality of education because a smart child will excel anywhere she goes.
@xamaycan
How you would be throwing away your education by attending Hampton is NOT anything I will understand. I didnt attend Hampton but I am surrounded by doctors, educators, board of ed directors, physicians, blue collar workers etc etc that DID attend Hampton and their careers, lifestyles and finances prove their education wasnt thrown away
GeminEyez says:
@therapist
I live in MD to and I know all about the Terps and their partying. However, not every HBCU lacks funding and Alumni support just as not every PWI has a great amount of funding and support either. We always go back to talking about what we as a “community” have to do. For every instance someone can find where the school and children are lacking this and that I can pull statistics, articles, people, etc where we are doing our part for the upcoming generation. Its never going to be a 100% but the overall perception shouldnt be that the entire black community doesnt support, educate, or finance our people.
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You are 100% correct. I proudly & humbly stand corrected!!!
This poor lil girl is brainwashed. The people who showed me the most hate was black people and I am black. I don’t agree with her hate. What she says makes sense but the hate towards white people is irrelevant.
Sandy, you say that but according to courant . com, SHE wanted to go to UCONN (among other schools). I agree though, that her father is using her for pubicly or to spread a message. For a 13 year old to get accepted into any college would have made headlines reagardless though, dont you think?
i say stand for something or fall for it all… she aint selling azz, drugs, guns or violence.. #Go
@Sandra
I think that’s the point Dawn was making as well. I agree.
@ Gemini Eyez, you are right…you get what you put into your education.
@ Sandra
If that is the case, then…. I really dont have any good words for the father. Im sure he is a excellent dad, because his daughters accomplishments speaks volumes as to his involvement in her life, but to exploit your child for media publicity is wrong, but I know hes not the first and wont be the last.
OMG! It cracks me up how people get attacked on here for their opinions. Opinions does not mean it is correct. It just mean what it is…an opinion. I think it’s little to argue w/someone because they don’t agree w/you!
#justmyopinion
OOPS, MAYBE WE’RE NOT SUPPOSE TO HAVE ONE!
Sandra Rose says:
I think the father is using the kid for publicity. He knows she would get more headlines if she is accepted to a white university vs a black one. It has nothing to do with the quality of education because a smart child will excel anywhere she goes.
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I said that (with my chest) and somebody said I was being “mean”
@ tatted…thank you, I feel the same way
@ Dawn :hugs:
therapist1911 says:
@Sandra
I think that’s the point Dawn was making as well. I agree.
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I used good words and everything… I agree w/ my boo thang Sandra, folks be speed reading… perhaps this blog should have a Barney Style option for those who only come to look at the purdy pictures… and chit
@Sandra
I dont know this man or his true intentions HOWEVER, from the look of things it does seem he is out for his own personal gain and interests. He wants some type of recognition. As parents, your instincts are to protect your children and want them to live a life that is not publicly harmful. Whether its in the media, in the community or in the school system. To even allow your child to recite such a racist poem is selfish. Why put your child through that scrutiny or allow her to be marked in a negative way. This will follow her through her life and I dont believe she had any sayso. My heart goes out to her and I pray she can overcome and get beyond being pinpointed at the Racist Poet or whatever theyre calling her.
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therapist1911 says:
@Sandra
I think that’s the point Dawn was making as well. I agree.
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I used good words and everything… I agree w/ my boo thang Sandra, folks be speed reading… perhaps this blog should have a Barney Style option for those who only come to look at the purdy pictures… and chit
AND WE’RE OFF!
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xamaycan: Yes, BIG hug… <- I too shall buy you a gold fish (a real one, not the crackers) wait, I can't say cracker so cookie… *kanye Shrug
I visited Hartsford, CT in the 90’s- it was very segregated, blacks lived on one side of town Blue-something. Anyway, I wanted to make a point for the HBCU’s- being that my children went to 90% white high schools I wanted them to have the experience of black scholars and educators in a academic setting. For my oldest, he passed on my offer and attended Duke. My youngest attended Spelman. I will have to say that my Spelman grad is more comfortable in her skin and has alot of business connections and BFF’s. My Duke grad is introverted, stressed and has a hard time finding the balance between self-discovery and assimilation.
Hell I see what the father is doing…. If you can’t beat the White folks you join them… Send his daughter to a PWU so she can get all she can and then use it against them… If that is not smart I don’t know what is… KUDOS to her family
@ Gemini Eyez, exactly! Too much for a 13 year old girl who still has the rest of her life to live, to be labeled a racist poet, when she might not even be at all. Honestly, if she were racist, why would she want to go to UCONN, of all places? She would be setting herself up to be tormented everyday.
OAN for the record, Sandra is a Nurse NOT a journalist she done said that like 50-11 times.. don’t come thru here like she da earth, wind, and fire… this is a blog, open a book, not just ur Mac book stop going HAM in these post.. it is almost impossible for me to crack joke when ppl have sticks up there mud holes at fluckin 1038…
Shat up Diva
That’s right baby… There is nothing wrong with standing for what you believe in! Just be mindful of how you present it to everyone else!
I sincerely wish parents would let children be children… we should spend more time teaching values and character instead of trying to make our children be who we aren’t. I am not a fan of parents who live thru their children. These kids never turn out well, a child who lacks a childhood turns out to be an odd adult. Look at Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears, hell Lindsay Lohan.
If she has a gift, not to be confused with talent. As gifts come from God, talents is often manufactured… why must we continue to lose our children? Especiall your young girls.. he will teach her hate but not teach her how to deal with the real world? We put to many titles on people, especially children. She isn’t old enough to even know who she is.. her gift will become a talent…
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OAN PT 2: Hay Man!!
@ Cricket LOL Yes, you mean Blue Hills. Segregated as mostly blacks live on north end and hispanics live on south end.
But I agree though, because while I want my kids to attend the best school for education, I want them to be comfortable around all types of people.
I’m more concerned about her maturity level as opposed to her academic abilities with her going to a university with people who are at least high school graduates and some are old enough to be her parents and grandparents.
“And wasn’t a muthaphuckin thing “racist” about her poem. IT SPOKE THE 100%, UNDENIABLE, UNQUESTIONED TRUTH!…”
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So true.
@ Dawn LOL
SunRiseBlossom says:
That’s right baby… There is nothing wrong with standing for what you believe in! Just be mindful of how you present it to everyone else!
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Also, be sure as to what you believe be ye not easily conformed to the opinions of others.. Sometimes you have to know what you know, you know…
Maybe he wants her at a “white” school so she can “educate the uninformed”…prolly feel like there’s more of a need for her knowledge amongst the “blind”
All of you have great points and I don’t totally discount X, because I understand what she is trying to get across.
Here is my point: I think the father is being somewhat selfish in a way. He needs to let this child grow up first. She probably will turn out a little odd, considering how fast she is growing. She’s not going to experience her high school years, no boyfriends, no homecomings, no proms.
IMO, she needs to understand that world is simply not black and white, it’s multi-cultural. It’s so much more to life when you open up and experience different cultures.But I also believe, that he should instill black values in her (first and foremost) and she needs to understand her history.
@ Kisha good point! I imagine she has some level of maturity to her, but I agree
Hell what do I know, I’m just a hands on single parent going against the grain, keeping my ear to the ground, feet to the floor, head to the sky, planting positive seeds in the assignment I was given.
xamaycan
I dont even know if at 13 she is even mature enough to make the decision of what school to attend. Her father of course has a great big influence on that. SMH at him, at 13, I just wanted to run track, stay on the honor roll, and just be a kid. THere is no way, every college or university has been presented to her to choose where she would want to go. Her father is making those decisions and she as a child doesnt have any “rights” to say no. but hey, it aint my kid and at least he is supporting some type of education.
Dawn Sheen says:
Hell what do I know, I’m just a hands on single parent going against the grain, keeping my ear to the ground, feet to the floor, head to the sky, planting positive seeds in the assignment I was given.
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I live in CT and there are a LOT of blacks. Hartford has the largest population of Jamaicans in the country (per squar mile, Brooklyn I think has the largest in numbers) and a very large West Indian community made up of all islands. Blacks achieve positions of power in Hartford and the surrounding towns. I live in a town where the median income of blacks is much higher than whites. Of course there is racism here, it is everywhere, but I can tell you that it is not overt. This is the first that I am hearing about this situation with UConn and this child so I cannot speak on it, but I will definitely look into it that’s for sure!!
Its never going to be a 100% but the overall perception shouldnt be that the entire black community doesnt support, educate, or finance our people.
I agree with this! I attended an HBCU and immediately after our icebreaker activities during orientation, we sat in a seminar expressing the importance of giving back after graduation. I joined our pre-alumni association and I was floored by the amount of people who bequeathed their possessions to the school when they passed on, the amount of money pledged by individuals, etc. It changed the stereotype of “we don’t give back” for me. Friends at other HBCU’s had similar programs. #forevergivingback
TruGemini says:
Dawn Sheen says:
Hell what do I know, I’m just a hands on single parent going against the grain, keeping my ear to the ground, feet to the floor, head to the sky, planting positive seeds in the assignment I was given.
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…scratching and surviving and hanging in the chow line
Good Tii-imes…aint we lucky we gottem
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Michael Evans fist pump!
As I hardly ever post but visit sandrarose.com daily, I am also a bit taken back by the comment by xamaycan. I respect the decision of someone not attending a HBCU, but PLEASE get the statistics correct regarding PWI and HBCU’s education. HBCU’s produce:
The highest number of AA doctors
The highest number of AA attending top MBA programs
This is just to name a few but these 2 show the relevancy of HBCUs and it speaks volumes!!!!!!!!
I agree with everyone that disagrees with xamaycan comments on HBCU’s. It really burns me up when people, my own people, say some of the most ignorant shyt ever. White isn’t always right and that attitude just further makes me see how brainwashed my people really are.
Just the fact that UCONN accepted the girl and then rejected her should be the knock on the head that some people need to understand that racism is still very much alive and she isn’t wanted, nor accepted.
I could go on with this for days but I digress…
Many of you are in for a very rude awakening if you still believe that all races of pple are God’s pple.
The world calls this ” hate ”
The Lord calls this righteousness.
The Bible is against Edom ( every last one of em ) whether you believe it or not; or whether you like it or not. It is what it is.
OAN for the record, I matriculated at an white school and an HBCU… you get out what u put in ur education… I love my HBCU and my white school.
Dawn Sheen says:
TruGemini says:
Dawn Sheen says:
Hell what do I know, I’m just a hands on single parent going against the grain, keeping my ear to the ground, feet to the floor, head to the sky, planting positive seeds in the assignment I was given.
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…scratching and surviving and hanging in the chow line
Good Tii-imes…aint we lucky we gottem
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Michael Evans fist pump!
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..wit my burnt up Jr. Warlords jacket on!
Lawd, can I have opinion on where I want to get MY education FROM seeing as how I am PAYING. I never said I wouldnt attend a HBCU just because its mostly blacks, nor did I say PWI are better because they are mostly white. I am referring to the education achieved. And its MY opinion.
When this evil world ends, their rulership ends with it FOREVER, and many of them will be destroyed, and the ones that survive will be assigned their original duty…..
that is… being the servant of Jacob FOREVER.
@ Yardgirl…Im in CT…where abouts are you? HAHA we should link up for west indian day parade! Whoot Whoot! LOL although I havent been in so many years because Im not tryin to get shot or stepped on due to a stampede SMH
@ Dawn thank you! Thats what Im trying to say, but people think me rejecting a HBCU means Im rejecting black people
I went to an HBCU for two years but then ended up graduating from a “white” college…there were differences but not, IMO, in the quality of education but in the people who attended. And I’m not just speaking of the obvious differences. The desires, work ethics and sometimes respect levels were totally different. I enjoyed them both and had different types of experiences at both that when all considered have made me a much more well-rounded, appreciative person.
#mytwocents
The Bible says:
” Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation FOREVER.”
Malachi 1:4
xamaycan says:
@ Yardgirl…Im in CT…where abouts are you? HAHA we should link up for west indian day parade! Whoot Whoot! LOL although I havent been in so many years because Im not tryin to get shot or stepped on due to a stampede SMH
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Girl the parade too hot!!! After the shooting a few years ago it became too frightening to attend. This year they are changing the parade route and ending at Bushnell Park so it may not be so bad (fingers crossed) I get my parade on at Eastern Parkway on Labor Day in Brooklyn, it used to be hott, now they have as many cops as spectators so it’s pretty safe. Well as safe as you can get, lol.
First, I don’t find anything “racist” about her poem….she never spewed hate, folks should know history and not just what was taught in school.
Second, she is not the first child prodigy to go to college at a young age, when other races of children do it they are praised and applauded, but then a young black girl is able to do it and we’re talking about her not being mature enough or ready for the real world? Some people are just ahead of their time, and some are behind, simply because there are 18 yr olds who aren’t well-adjusted for college doesn’t mean this child wouldn’t be. I am also assuming that’s why her father was moving to CT along with his daughter when she was to attend school.
@TruGemini thank you for respectfully stating your opinion and experience WITHOUT insulting me. Im glad you had a good experience with both, and your statements make me think if what I meant was the differences in people who attended made the difference and not lack of education. Do you find your educational experience was the same with the differences influecing you or no? Meaning did the differences affect how you learned?
@ Walking…Good Point!
@ yardgirl! Brooklyn parade is just as bad gyal!! I didnt know they were changing the route, thats good to know.
xamaycan says:
@ yardgirl! Brooklyn parade is just as bad gyal!! I didnt know they were changing the route, thats good to know.
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Girl NYPD nuh joke!! They keep thinks under control, trust mi pon dat!! After 911 NY has no time for foolishness and you know how parade foolishness can pop off bad bad.
Glad fi kno seh CT pon di board!!
The world calls ” HATE ” when it concerns EDOM, but let me tell you what the Lord God Almighty says about EDOM ( who is also known as ESAU ):
” As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. ”
Romans 9:13
For those of you who think that PWIs provide a more quality education you are wrong. Studies have found that students who attend HBCUs have more positive outcomes such as positive relationships with their faculty, they are more likely to work on research projects with staff and faculty, and they attend graduate school more often than their counterparts who attend PWIs. If you look at the numbers the majority of Black doctors and PhDs, you guessed it attended HBCUs. I graduated from UNC Chapel Hill and my education was no different than the students at A&T or NCCU, you know why because we are in a university system and all of us learned the same curriculum. We as Black people are our own worst enemies, we will condemn our institutions without even knowing the facts. I hope everyone has a good day and I am out.
Autum Ashante is performing at a Open Mic in NYC next Tuesday
Should be interesting…
xamaycan says:
@TruGemini thank you for respectfully stating your opinion and experience WITHOUT insulting me. Im glad you had a good experience with both, and your statements make me think if what I meant was the differences in people who attended made the difference and not lack of education. Do you find your educational experience was the same with the differences influecing you or no? Meaning did the differences affect how you learned?
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I really feel like the differences had an effect on my approach to learning. When the environment was calmer and much more subdued, I tended to be able to focus, absorb and engage more. On the other had, when the classes were rowdy and people regularly strolled in 15 minutes after class had started, I tended to have a much more lackadaisical approach with no real sense of urgency.
Don’t just know your History, KNOW your SPIRITUAL HIStory.
EDOM has no inheritance when the Lord comes back, only the remnant of Jacob.
The Bible says ( Apocrypha ):
” For Esau is the end of this age, and Jacob is the beginning of the age that follows.”
2 EDRAS 6:9
By the way the “prestige” and “rankings” really don’t mean anything. If you ask anyone in the field of Higher Education those rankings are done based off of friendships and relationships. I am not denying their is work that needs to be done at HBCUs, but students are able to receive an excellent education as well. The wonderful thing at HBCUs are many of the institutions are student focused and centered, you are not just a number. Professors take the time to cultivate and support students and develop them holistically which you don’t always find at PWIs.
okay I’m out for real, I hope everyone has a good day and a good weekend. Indiana is about to be on fire this weekend!
@ LOL Okay, I MIGHT go this year then! Thanks.
@ Tru, Oh Okay, thanks for sharing your experience. You have enlightened me:-)
@ SouthernBelle, I agree with your statements as you recieved a more personable education and arent just a number…
why is she checking for UConn anyway? Seems like Howard would be a great fit.
My husband knows the lil dude at Morehouse and he says it’s kinda funny because he is very academically adept (the regular students always ask him questions to try to trip him up) but he’s also so kid like. My husband says it’s like watching two people at the same time.
IDK I don’t think she should be reciting things like that especially if we don’t want white kids exploiting slavery… I also think this little girl should be able to be a kid instead of being her dad’s pupil I understand about religion but jeesh does it have to be that deep!
SUP SR #HeadNOD
ALL OF YOU DESCENDANTS OF JACOB, who think the Lord loves ESAU are either blind or you are liars!
Better read that Bible.
HBCU’s teach you things you canno’t learn anywhere else in the world. It’s a whole lot a white worshiping black women on sandra Rose. Anywho, I will go off subject for a second. the problem with black People is that we do not know our history.
I bet some of you SO CALLED educated black women couldn’t even name me 3 great African Empires. I bet you didn’t even know the ancient egyptians were an African civilization. I bet you couldn’t even tell me that he sudanese were the first to build Pyramids and were the creators of The Ancient Egyptian culture. I bet you didn’t even know West Africans were one of the first to coin cold currency and created iron. Dude…. none of you even know about the Black Moors who ruled Spain.
You so called black women think you are educated, but you are still brain washed into thinking our history begins at slavery.
you so called black women can tell me everything about George Washington, but cant tell me anything about the great MANSA MUSA!
Excuse any typos, I’m on my ipad.
ALL YOU LOVERS of ESAU will die along with em.
I am well aware of my SPIRITUAL HISTORY…..I just choose not to focus on what God said about Edom and more on what he commands me to do
And fyi if you are trying to reach people you might want to re-think your approach, quoting one scripture never amounted to Bible study & it will take more than that to get people to ever take you seriously….ijs if reaching the lost is truly what your goal is….
@JayYellaLover
Please school em Mr. Jay!!!!, because their heads are sooo far stuck up in ESAU’s behind; and they can’t see nothing but ESAU’s doo-doo.
regarding this ridiculous hbcu debate, one should go to the school that is most successful in the area you are seeking to be employed in. for example, xavier/howard are really good for medicine; i believe hampton?/nc state is good for engineering, etc. don’t get your mind twisted about it AT ALL. there are some damn good, coonery loving, hella degree graduating hbcus out here!
i immediately thought of hu because it is the black nationalist mecca, or at least was at one time. the uconn thing tripped me up so i have to agree w/SR that this nicca wanted publicity. uconn ain’t ABOUT to piss off it’s alumni base. it’s about $$$$$ and sense.
@ Jay Yella
I don’t normally agree with Man but he was spot on today. Unfortunately, many of us as Black people don’t know our history in this country and beyond, so it’s easy to label the what the young girl said as racist or hateful. A Jewish parent can teach their child about the Holocaust and prejudice against Jews and not a word will be said about it. But if a Black parent teaches the truth about the harsh treatment of Blacks and other minorities at the hands of Whites, then it’s a problem. As for the ignorant comments about HBCU’s, I’ll tell my Morehouse School of Medicine educated husband, that his medical degree is “worth less” because it didn’t come from a PWI.
Oh how I HATE generalizations!
Some folks are SR are weird
95 WalkingKontradiction says:
Second, she is not the first child prodigy to go to college at a young age, when other races of children do it they are praised and applauded, but then a young black girl is able to do it and we’re talking about her not being mature enough or ready for the real world? Some people are just ahead of their time, and some are behind, simply because there are 18 yr olds who aren’t well-adjusted for college doesn’t mean this child wouldn’t be. I am also assuming that’s why her father was moving to CT along with his daughter when she was to attend school.
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they will pair her up with an older student and will help her out. i know morehouse has some rules in place for the lil dude who goes there. it is less of an “experience” though.
@Jay
I’m a “white-educated” Black woman and I bet you couldn’t tell me anything that would appear outside of a history book regarding the “covered” up Progressive Black Movement (I am a history buff on culture- especially covert- in general.) Talk to me about Sundiata Acoli (whom me and my fiance send money to his commissary on a monthly basis), Assata Shakur, what really happened to Fred Hampton (another child prodigy), Ben Rush, Cointelpro. There are so many young black prodigies around past and present but most times, their endings are so tragic that we never know about it.
I love learning about the Black civilizations of the past centuries that were allowed to grow, flourish and prosper, but I am honestly more concerned with the citizens of the last half-century who were cut down before they even tried. We can’t make it back to ruling continents and growing our own civilizations when we are too lazy to demand justice for our public servants who tried to help us get back there in just the last 50 years!
Most young Black people don’t care about their history from 20 years ago….asking them to care about 2000 years ago is too large of a jump.
@WalkingKontradiction
That’s the problem with so-called followers of Christ today ( especially so-called SUNday pastors )
THEY WATER-DOWN THE WORD OF GOD TO PLEASE PEOPLE.
In the Old testament when God sent the prophets to warn His people, the prophets did just that- WARN THEM. They did not water-down the Word of God so that pple can take them serious;
The Bible says:
” 7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.”
Ezekiel 2:7-8
Redeemed
Please stop with your scripture quoting because it holds no leverage on what you are trying to do. I can say I am just as scripturally educated as you and I can pull a few that will have your lil heart pricked and having you sitting down and repenting. You dont have a heaven or hell to put ANYONE and if this is what you consider soul winning, youre losing my dear. Therefore, act like a babe and go learn some more. You need better direction. Thanks! *Management*
JayYella
You trying to prove youre a scholar only insults those who have educated you over there years. You dont know what “US BLACK WOMEN” know because you didnt grow up as our fathers nor did you ask. Before spewing a bunch of history facts that has no basis on the topic, discuss the history that began your hatred for black women. I would love to learn those facts.
U know what…nah nevermind not worth the headach :rollseyes:
excuse the typos….
Cinderella says:
I don’t normally agree with Man but he was spot on today. Unfortunately, many of us as Black people don’t know our history in this country and beyond, so it’s easy to label the what the young girl said as racist or hateful. A Jewish parent can teach their child about the Holocaust and prejudice against Jews and not a word will be said about it. But if a Black parent teaches the truth about the harsh treatment of Blacks and other minorities at the hands of Whites, then it’s a problem.
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So…Much…Niggorance…
(runs screaming from this post)
Also- I don’t find anything this child said in her poem to be racist/hateful/spiteful, etc.! I LOVE that her father is teaching her the TRUTH behind her history and her culture. I wish some parents were more concerned about teaching their children to have PRIDE in their culture rather than teaching them how to “Cat Daddy” to the latest Lil Wayne song. :eyeroll:
Secondly- I somewhat agree with Xamaycan, but I think each university is different. The rankings that come out on these schoole every year are also seriously skewed and more than likely fabricated, but I won’t go there. I don’t think the White man’s ice is colder, BUT I did apply to seven colleges in high school, and was recruited by two outside of the 7 which I applied and got into. The two who recruited me were Howard & Princeton (I ran track.)
I visited both schools and the 7 other schools who accepted me in between (Temple, FAMU, Fl.St.Univ, Ga.St.Univ, Clark-Atlanta, Univ of MD- CP & Towson Univ.) I ended up at the “least popular” of ALL 9 schools because I felt it has the best program FOR MY MAJOR.
But I will note that at 2 of the HBCU’s I visited, the partying was out of control. It looked like one big club on the campus- most students seemed more concerned with socialization than education. At Princeton, who offered me a scholarship, I had an opposite experience. Extrememly smart kids who had NO idea of the real world and little to no people skills.
I don’t agree that all PWIs are better than HBCUs at all, but I’d be remiss if I failed to admit that a lot of the HBCU’s place a big focus on “socialization” (which will later be called “networking”) than education. Also- my issue comes with some of the HBCUs lack of accreditation in certain programs and their inability to transfre credits- but that’s another story.
xamaycan says:
U know what…nah nevermind not worth the headach
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youre right, stop explaining yourself. at the end of the day, even though our opinions differ from yours, none of us are paying for you or your kids’ education. You can go where you choose. I have friends that have chosen PWI’s and I chose a HBCU and we all have very good jobs. My comments werent to offend you, I just happened to disagree and dont like misconceptions manifested when HBCU’s are good institutions.
@ Redeemed….Lol….so-called followers of Christ and Sunday pastors….it’s great that you assume that’s what I was taught or am used to. If you read what I typed…I said your approach is misguided. I don’t need you or anyone else to water down a thing for me however YOU seem to think that by quoting scriptures that most people don’t even know the context of you are doing God’s work. I am under the impression true followers of Christ are supposed to help bring others to Christ and rambling off scriptures over a blog is a dismal attempt at best. So you continue to assume you know what every SR member knows/was taught/believes and I will continue with my daily routine as usual.
@GeminEyez
Don’t fight the Word of God. It is there to help you not hinder. ESAU is the one that will hinder you. Get your head out of his behind!
@ SASSY thank you, I knew I read something about the accreditation…wouldnt that mean the education is lacking and not up to par with its counterparts though if they arent accredited and other schools wont accept their credits?
You made some very good points BTW
StillASassyOne says:
@Jay
I’m a “white-educated” Black woman and I bet you couldn’t tell me anything that would appear outside of a history book regarding the “covered” up Progressive Black Movement (I am a history buff on culture- especially covert- in general.) Talk to me about Sundiata Acoli (whom me and my fiance send money to his commissary on a monthly basis), Assata Shakur, what really happened to Fred Hampton (another child prodigy), Ben Rush, Cointelpro. There are so many young black prodigies around past and present but most times, their endings are so tragic that we never know about it.
I love learning about the Black civilizations of the past centuries that were allowed to grow, flourish and prosper, but I am honestly more concerned with the citizens of the last half-century who were cut down before they even tried. We can’t make it back to ruling continents and growing our own civilizations when we are too lazy to demand justice for our public servants who tried to help us get back there in just the last 50 years!
Most young Black people don’t care about their history from 20 years ago….asking them to care about 2000 years ago is too large of a jump.
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I can’t even argue with you Queen (You have earned your title)! I agree with you, on that Black Folks don’t care about their recent history (The last century) . But that’s because our people are fed this watered down “Black History” crap so much that they don’t care. The problem is Black people are ashamed of where they came from, they are ashamed of being African! It is not their fault though, American society has put in our brains that we came from Monkeys,savages, people who have contributed nothing to society,uncivilized National Geographic jungle people…THIS IS FALSE!!!!!!!! If our people knew that we came from Kings,Queens,Gods, the founders of Science,Mathematics,Astrology, etc, then they would want to learn every aspect of their history!
GeminEyez says:
Redeemed
Please stop with your scripture quoting because it holds no leverage on what you are trying to do. I can say I am just as scripturally educated as you and I can pull a few that will have your lil heart pricked and having you sitting down and repenting. You dont have a heaven or hell to put ANYONE and if this is what you consider soul winning, youre losing my dear. Therefore, act like a babe and go learn some more. You need better direction. Thanks! *Management*
JayYella
You trying to prove youre a scholar only insults those who have educated you over there years. You dont know what “US BLACK WOMEN” know because you didnt grow up as our fathers nor did you ask. Before spewing a bunch of history facts that has no basis on the topic, discuss the history that began your hatred for black women. I would love to learn those facts.
Well daymn
Thank you @ GeminiEyez you have enlightend me as well.
@WalkingKontradiction
I’m amazed that you all don’t even know that you are angry with God?
These are HIS Words not mine????
The Bible is soo right, when it says:
” Is not my word LIKE FIRE,” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?”
Jeremiah 23:29
@xamaycan
Yeah enlightened you to the wide & straight path. LoL!
(really wishes YELLABOYTELLIT’S mama would come get his ass)
@ Redeeemded, Go jump OFF a bridge. Youre annoying as hell with the judgemental self SMH
And I am amazed that you can tell a person’s emotion via a computer screen. I am not angry at all. I am laughing because again, I believe your approach is misguided, though I probably shouldn’t laugh because in the midst of your ramblings you may have turned precious souls away…..but by all means carry on.
@GAGIRL87
Oh you REJECT God’s Word too? Good Grief!
Bible says so righteously:
” Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; ”
Matthew 9:37
Where are the TRUE children of God at?
GeminEyez says:
JayYella
You trying to prove youre a scholar only insults those who have educated you over there years. You dont know what “US BLACK WOMEN” know because you didnt grow up as our fathers nor did you ask. Before spewing a bunch of history facts that has no basis on the topic, discuss the history that began your hatred for black women. I would love to learn those facts.
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I’m not trying to prove anything to anyone, I’m just making a point that you BLACK WOMEN (which makes up 90% of SR’s audience) does not know thy self! The comments insulting HBCU’s and praising white colleges proves this. Not only that, but comments I’ve read from you women in the past praising white men,putting down brothas, etc etc. I have a valid reason to believe you women in here are typical sistas that do not know thy self. I do not hate the QUEENS, and I do not know where you people keep getting this from. I been saying the Black Woman was God, but yall don’t listen… Only time yall listen is when I’m telling you sistas about yourself and you get offended.
but yall dont hear me tho…..I don’t respect Sell-out sist(ERs)… I respect QUEENS!
Partner let me upgrade you
Audemars Piguet you
Switch your neck ties to purple labels
Upgrade you
(I can) up, (can I) up
(Lemme) upgrade you
(Partner let me upgrade you)
Partner let me upgrade you
Flip a new page
Introduce you to some new things and
Upgrade you
(I can) up,
(Can I) up, let me
Upgrade you
(Partner let me upgrade you)
Beyaki 3:13
@JayYellaLover
Thankyou Jay!!!
Even the Lord Himself has spoken about women like these.
@JayYellaLover
They soo hard-headed.
Won’t listen to instruction. But let an edomite tell them something, and they take it like precious gold.
@ Redeemed keep your thoughts and opinions cuz you don’t know me I actually started to call you something but caught myself.. You have no heaven or hell to put me in boo
@xamaycan
I’ve been mostly lurking, and while I understand EXACTLY what you are stating in your comments, I think the thing that threw folks off was when you stated that “black folks sure know how to tear some stuff down”, or something to that effect…sorry, I may be paraphrasing. You make great points about things in general when dealing with the world we live in today, but those kind of comments just gives credence to what white people already think of us, and when one of our own says this kind of stuff it rubs people the wrong way…that’s all…
THE LORD GOD WILL DESTROY YOU WOMEN THAT PUT YOUR ENEMY ( ESAU ) BEFORE JACOB.
PLEASE BELIEVE THAT.
@ YSO
at quoting a scripture of Beyaki LOL
@ Feline, you are right and for that I aplogize to anyone I offended, especially those who have attended HBCU. The words came out wrong of the point I was trying to make.
I’m not trying to prove anything to anyone, I’m just making a point that you BLACK WOMEN (which makes up 90% of SR’s audience) does not know thy self! The comments insulting HBCU’s and praising white colleges proves this. Not only that, but comments I’ve read from you women in the past praising white men,putting down brothas, etc etc. I have a valid reason to believe you women in here are typical sistas that do not know thy self. I do not hate the QUEENS, and I do not know where you people keep getting this from. I been saying the Black Woman was God, but yall don’t listen… Only time yall listen is when I’m telling you sistas about yourself and you get offended.
but yall dont hear me tho…..I don’t respect Sell-out sist(ERs)… I respect QUEENS!
Is this the same negro that thinks that only light skin women look good even though you say otherwise now I’m not tryna bring beef your way but you have said some stupid chit in previous post that have mad me shake my head and now your “tryna” be on some other chit
@X
If it can I can too. Beymen.
I got more where that came from and I’m pretty bored right now…
@GAGIRL87
PAUL the Apostle didnt have a heaven or hell to put nobody in but he still did what God told him to do….spread THE TRUTH. That makes up most of the NEW testament that you read every SUNday.
Please read your Bible GAGIRL. I understand that your so-called pastors have been looong deceiving you, but now is the time to wake up!!!
@ YSO Beymen!
LOL
@JayYella You can’t make such general, ignorant comments and expect people not to get offended. You ASSume that you know an ENTIRE gender of people just because of a blog? Ok…
If your comments weren’t so demeaning and disrespectful to these “Queens” you speak of then maybe people would actually grasp what you’re saying. When you come off hateful it tends to turn people away.
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As far as the whole HBCU vs Other schools debate, I went to an HBCU and my Egineering degree got me the same job(s) as my co-workers who have attended many different Colleges and Universities.
@Redeemed777
Thanks man, but aint no use of me tryna schoool these lost souls.
Like Project Pat say “Dont save her…she dont wanna be saved…done save her…she dont wanna be saved!”
@xamaycan
I totally understand, and we are all entitled to our opinions on this wonderful blog…I actually wanted to attend an HBCU but my father talked against it, he said the real world was not that of an HBCU campus…I received a scholarship to Xavier University in Louisiana, but ended up staying closer to home and attending a Big XII university in my home state…I don’t regret the experience because my school had a very close knit black population and I was involved in black causes on the campus, but I have always somewhat envied those who were able to attend HBCU’s…
Oh! and by the way, if you have been reading the new testament thoroughly, you would see that Paul tore they behind up when they got out of order!!!
We aint supposed to water-down scripture to avoid offending somebody. Those that are offended are that way because they love to keep living in their sin.
@JayYellaLover
True dat!
Even the Bible says:
” …Cast not your pearls before swine…”
@ Yso :rotfl:
I just can’t today! But this post did get me through Evidence this morning….
@ Redeeemed are you @ work? b/c your calling may be a little bit “higher” than a nine to five has to offer
JayYellaLover says:
HBCU’s teach you things you canno’t learn anywhere else in the world. It’s a whole lot a white worshiping black women on sandra Rose. Anywho, I will go off subject for a second. the problem with black People is that we do not know our history.
I bet some of you SO CALLED educated black women couldn’t even name me 3 great African Empires. I bet you didn’t even know the ancient egyptians were an African civilization. I bet you couldn’t even tell me that he sudanese were the first to build Pyramids and were the creators of The Ancient Egyptian culture. I bet you didn’t even know West Africans were one of the first to coin cold currency and created iron. Dude…. none of you even know about the Black Moors who ruled Spain.
You so called black women think you are educated, but you are still brain washed into thinking our history begins at slavery.
you so called black women can tell me everything about George Washington, but cant tell me anything about the great MANSA MUSA!
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This little girl speaks the truth and her father is doing a GREAT job in educating her. She can choose whatever school she wants to go to. She worked hard for it at the age of 13 why can’t see choose even if it’s not an HBCU
And I received my Bachelor’s from Temple University in History I KNOW who Mansa Musa is he was a Muslim ruler that took over Timbuktu in the 1300’s.
BUT before Mansa Musa who created Timbuktoo? A semi-nomadic tribe descended from the Tuareg and Imashagens. Now tell me what the original name of Timbuktu is? :waits:
Also I can name Shonghai, Ashanti’s and Ghana were also great civilizations.
Now tell me Jay do you know HWY? Timbuktu was so important and what was the MOST valuable thing they coveted in their society?
Do you know who The Hottentot Venus is?
How about Queen Nzinga of Ndongo?
Please don’t act like you can’t get a quality education from a white university. And some of the most ignorant, socially detached Black people I have come across have been from HBCU’s. Even with all that said. I still wouldn’t mind my children choosing an HBCU because after all they will have earned it and it will be their choice.
Please don’t generalize all Black Women and ASSume we don’t know our history because we went to a certain type of school or have opinions on things.
Why don’t you love me?
Tell me, baby, why don’t you love me
When I make me so damn easy to love?
And why don’t you need me?
Tell me, baby, why don’t you need me
When I make me so damn easy to need?
Sasha 17:08
@Redeemed777
Thanks man, but aint no use of me tryna schoool these lost souls.
Like Project Pat say “Dont save her…she dont wanna be saved…done save her…she dont wanna be saved!”
Only Save the light skinned ones right???
Okay I’m gonna leave you alone
Again I see a lot of over generalizations of HBCUs, too often the narratives of HBCUs are skewed by what people see on a few campus. I will say again that yes there are HBCUs that need work, but most of these institutions hold the same level of accountability for their institutions as any other institution. I went to UNC Chapel Hill, a major research one institution and if you could see some of the things I saw you all would quiver in sheer horror. All universities have courses that you can’t transfer over especially if you are not in a system so that’s nothing new and yes there are HBCUs who have had issues with accreditation you will find the story is a lot more deeper than you think. The more and more I study about HBCUs, I realized that many people who talk down about them spew the same rhetoric and often times these institutions are associated with histories of discrimination and underfunding. I really enjoy the dialogue and not ppl cussing and fussing.
@ YSO…oh okay you hit us with a Sasha scripture now! Beymen! LOL
sorry guys meant to say hold the same accountability for their students
and “campuses”
@ YSO preach
and my thing is this if you want to go to a PWI cool, but too often I notice that Blk people who attend PWIs find the need to talk down about HBCUs just to justify their decision of going to a White school. There is no need to do that, you go to the school that is the best fit for you and keep it moving.
@Kezi *raises hand* ooh ooh I know who Queen Nzinga is/was….
I bet some of you SO CALLED educated black women couldn’t even name me 3 great African Empires. I bet you didn’t even know the ancient egyptians were an African civilization. I bet you couldn’t even tell me that he sudanese were the first to build Pyramids and were the creators of The Ancient Egyptian culture. I bet you didn’t even know West Africans were one of the first to coin cold currency and created iron. Dude…. none of you even know about the Black Moors who ruled Spain.
You so called black women think you are educated, but you are still brain washed into thinking our history begins at slavery.
you so called black women can tell me everything about George Washington, but cant tell me anything about the great MANSA MUSA!
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Hold up now. Let’s not generalize because THIS black women knew all that you are talking about, and learned it from another black woman (my sister), a physician who graduated from Howard University – a black woman. She as taught me more about our TRUE history than anyone else on this planet. You are making a comment about black women based on the few that post on SR.com? It appears by some of the comments, some know more than you think.
S/N: What a lot of people also don’t overstand is that many Ivy League educated people are traveling to Africa to learn about fractals.
When black people learn who we really are and where we’ve came from, comments like, “We gotta do better”
might cease from being apart of our vocabulary.
@ Southern, you are right, but question, what would be the point of going to a school that is not accredited? Doesnt that mean it doesnt hold any weight? Im not trying to offend just asking a serious question here. I wouldnt want to go to a job interview and show them my HBCU degree proudly and them have to say oh its not accredited…
SuthernBelle4 says:
and my thing is this if you want to go to a PWI cool, but too often I notice that Blk people who attend PWIs find the need to talk down about HBCUs just to justify their decision of going to a White school. There is no need to do that, you go to the school that is the best fit for you and keep it moving.
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I had this VERY conversation with someone the other day. They tried to act like they were better than me and I had to cut that short REAL quick. Don’t talk down to me and think you’re “better” because your school has more white students and it’s bigger. Once I told the guy what I do for a living and where I work he politely STFU.
I guess my little degree isn’t so bad after all…
WalkingKontradiction says:
@Kezi *raises hand* ooh ooh I know who Queen Nzinga is/was….
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But surely you can’t…we are just simpleminded white loving Black Women….
@xamaycan non taken dear and I agree with you I wouldn’t go to an accredited institution either. The only thing I am saying is all HBCUs are not monoliths and you have many that are doing extremely well just like you have white universities that are doing an extremely horrible job at educating students. Like I said before there are HBCUs that need work, but the majority of them are doing amazing jobs at graduating students that become leaders in their field. Again, I enjoy the dialogue
@Xamay
From my understanding, it’s not that the entire university is unaccredited, it may just be certain academic programs within that university that are not accredited.
Also- to my belief, the programs not being accredited only becomes an issue when applying to grad programs and jobs which specifically state that they’ll only accept applicants from “accredited” programs. (I work for Fed so I see the accreditaion requirement a lot for job openings.) Otherwise that that, it just may only cause problems if you are trying to transfer credits from an unaccredited program to an accredited one.
lol, I love it @Mamacita, my great-grandmother, my grandparents, my parents, and a host of aunts, uncles, and cousins attended HBCUs. I know the quality of education that these institutions provide and while I went to a PWI, I wish that I would have looked at more HBCUs than the one I had my heart set on.
xamaycan says:
@ Southern, you are right, but question, what would be the point of going to a school that is not accredited? Doesnt that mean it doesnt hold any weight? Im not trying to offend just asking a serious question here. I wouldnt want to go to a job interview and show them my HBCU degree proudly and them have to say oh its not accredited…
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But the point is that HBCU’s aren’t the ONLY schools who have accreditation issues. You shouldn’t make it an “HBCU problem” when it’s an issue for many schools across the board.
Yup SASSY I was just about to say that I work for the fed govt too and they wont accept a degree from a school that isnt accredited. I’ve never worked in the private sector so I dont know what they accept. Thanks for responding.
I don’t even know why ya’ll give Jay Yella the time of day, chile boom
Dayum…It’s hawt up in here today! Anyway, I guess this little girl made UCONN nervous by speaking the TRUTH! SMH…We can’t change history, we can only learn from it and make sure it doesn’t repeat itself. Yt ppl always want us to shut up and color (as we say in the military) about the wrong-doings of their ancestors, but it happened! And btw, we gon’ continue to talk about it until we get our 40 acres and a mule…I’m still waiting…
@ Mamacita I wouldnt consider a school that had accrediation issues period, whether black or white. My bottom line is I DONT choose a school based on the color of the students who attend it but for quality of education receieved.
@ AF Girl…Hello, I am a former AF vet myself.
@Kezi you are right…whatever was I thinking?!
It’s hard for me to comment cause I’m not on a computer… So bare with me.
@kezi
Is that your child in the pic? How dare you speak to me? You don’t even know thy self! Ultimate sellout. Anyway Yes, I know who Queen Nzinga is, I bet you didn’t know she had sex with the French men did you?? But i bet you suppost that? Get out of here boo.
@GAGIRL87
I don’t know why you hate lightskin women so much… But get a grip hun, we are all black and need to stick together. Yes, i love lightskin women… but I have too, cause if I dont nobody else will.
@Mamacita
My comments are like this because it is the only way black women listen. Black women are strong women by nautre, you gotta be rough with them. In bed, and in coversation.
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Now you’re trying to come for KEZI?!
You really are that dumb I guess. I hate to see a black mind being wasted like this. Smh.
@Jay Yella you are so disrespectful. How dare you bring a child into this. SMH. Please! You are the last person to school somebody on loving blacks, your name speaks volumes and says it all.
@JayYella
I don’t even know why I tried 
@xamaycan, Over the last two decades, 7 HBCU’s have lost their accreditation. Not because of the quality of education but due to a lack of funding. The State and Federal government don’t give nearly as much money to Black schools as they do PWI’s and that’s because they’re mainly private. All of the schools except for two, Morris Brown College and Knoxville College, have receieved their accreditation back. Most of the PWI’s receive donations in addition to state and federal funding. Even if all HBCU alumni gave back to their schools, there still wil be a funding shortage. Schools like Ohio State, UGA, UF, UCLA, and etc…. enroll tens of thousands of students. HBCU’s usually enroll between 1,000-7,000 students. That’s a big difference.
JayYellaLover says:
It’s hard for me to comment cause I’m not on a computer… So bare with me.
@kezi
Is that your child in the pic? How dare you speak to me? You don’t even know thy self! Ultimate sellout. Anyway Yes, I know who Queen Nzinga is, I bet you didn’t know she had sex with the French men did you?? But i bet you suppost that? Get out of here boo.
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So what? She had a harem of men some white some Black but it still doesn’t take away from the fact that she was a GREAT female general who fought white invasion better than some of her African Male counterparts.
So you’re bringing my child into this? What about her. Isn’t she the ideal of what you like? A yella skin Black woman? Boy please. My baby is beautiful and she’d still be if she was Browned skinned like her mother.
Whenever you can’t talk about the topic at hand brings some bodies child’s skin completion into it yeah that will prove your point.
Over you and this topic. Said what I had to say and I’m out.
YSoSeriousPraisesBeigeBeysus says:
Now you’re trying to come for KEZI?!
You really are that dumb I guess. I hate to see a black mind being wasted like this. Smh.
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My child nonetheless. Me a few months ago would’ve let him have it but he doesn’t know me from a can of paint nor do I know him so I’m not going to key board bang. He is the epitome of a weak-minded want to be enlightened brain washed male.
@ Cinderella…thank you for the info. Knowing this, do you think you would have an issue when applying for jobs (and I dont know what school you attended or if it is accredited), just asking.
@KEZI
Basically. Just sad, ain’t it?
Sandra Rose says:
I think the father is using the kid for publicity. He knows she would get more headlines if she is accepted to a white university vs a black one. It has nothing to do with the quality of education because a smart child will excel anywhere she goes.
July 6, 2011 at 10:24 am
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Sandra you are so damn smart. Hit the nail right on the head.
@ Jay I’m quote on quote light skin but wtf does that mean??? ALL black is beautiful not just light skin people you should know this
This story reminds me of my dad. We weren’t allowed to recite the pledge of allegiance OR sing the star spangled banner. We were forbidden! My father felt as if those things didn’t apply to us and they don’t.
xamaycan says:
@ AF Girl…Hello, I am a former AF vet myself.
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Yay AF! I’m out now too…but still working for the gov’t. I did my time!
shame on all of you bashing the Dad OBVIOUSLY he is doing something right his 13 year old daughter about to go to college, speaks three languages and knows and respects her race’s history the presence of a strong, positive male role model in a young girl’s life works wonders >>>>> and y’all talking smack about that WTF!!!!!! I went to 2 of the “whitest” schools Mt. Holyoke(all girl) and Brown and THANK GOD I did I almost went to an HBCU (Howard) but the sheer AMOUNT of people who hung out on the campus WHO DIDN”T EVEN GO TO SCHOOL there ASTONISHED me……..needless to say the opportunities and contacts afforded me at those schools changed my life… but to each it’s own i majored in international relations and that is what drove my choice to each its own…. but don’t hate on the Dad he deserves to be commended …..and I agree with Kezi just because u go to a “white” school doesn’t make u less black…. and i am soooo tired of the “brothers” bashing educated sisters and sisters in general THAT is why we cannot get nowhere as a people LOL
Some folks are SR are weird
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Preach Choco Preach!
Yella & Redeemed-y’all are really working my nerves today. Redeemed–you are on Yella’s jock HARDCORE, aren’t you??? Is he your Lord???
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don’t know why select people are jumping on Xama and shyt.
Kezi–your kid is cute, btw. Can’t believe that a person that has a photo of Gucci as their avatar photo (*dramatic eye-roll*) feels “smart/enlightened” enough to speak black history, but feels justified in putting a child in to grown-folks business in the same breathe. Whatever.
My opinion? People that bark black love and attack and challenge the blackness of others deep-down hate being black #realtalk
HBCU’s teach you things you canno’t learn anywhere else in the world. It’s a whole lot a white worshiping black women on sandra Rose. Anywho, I will go off subject for a second. the problem with black People is that we do not know our history.
Bravo on knowing your history but your inability to put together a clear, concise, cohesive sentence makes it hard for me to take anything you have to say serious. Then to make matters worst, you blame it on your Ipad when in-fact, the world greatest spell/grammatical checker would explode trying to make sence of your rhetoric. I bet you are one of those people who used the erroneous word irregardless; a (complete oxymoron) and swear it is a “real” word. You know what never-mind b/c you “know history” and would be the one to argue that it is a word and was used in the early 20th century. Now @Jay…please be a dear and report to the 
have a \_ \_ \_ and put this on. ^ <— Dunce Hat. Good day!
I bet some of you SO CALLED educated black women couldn’t even name me 3 great African Empires. I bet you didn’t even know the ancient egyptians were an African civilization. I bet you couldn’t even tell me that he sudanese were the first to build Pyramids and were the creators of The Ancient Egyptian culture. I bet you didn’t even know West Africans were one of the first to coin cold currency and created iron. Dude…. none of you even know about the Black Moors who ruled Spain.
You so called black women think you are educated, but you are still brain washed into thinking our history begins at slavery. you so called black women can tell me everything about George Washington, but cant tell me anything about the great MANSA MUSA!
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^^^^^^^^^ So many questions/problems with this guys antics. In your pathetic attempted to call “so called” educated black women out, you have in-turn made yourself sound like an idiotic, pompous, jerk! I do agree with you when you say that as AA we need to know our history however, being able to quote random black history facts or knowing about Mansa Musa pilgrimage will get you where in life? Spent 11 yrs in the AF, traveled abroad, have three degrees and I have NEVER been in a situation where random tidbits of AA history needed to be recited or recalled.
*sense*
I just logged on to say that I am a black woman born and raised in CT and there are ALOT more black people here than you think. I am not sure of statistics, but there are probably more blacks, hispanics and other races,i.e., haitians, jamaicans, etc, here than there are white people. I am more than sure this little girl could have gotten accepted to a black college (HBCU), my daughter is now looking into which schools to apply to and she can get into the black colleges without any problems, but she doesn’t want to go to a black college (HBCU). It’s that little girls choice of what school she would like to attend and CT is not a bad choice.