NY Mosque Imam says America is worse than al-Qaeda

Sandra Rose August 23, 2010

Just so you know: this is the man that Barack Obama and the state department flew to the Middle East last week — on your dime — to perform Muslim outreach.

New audio has surfaced of the imam behind the controversial mosque near Ground Zero allegedly telling an audience overseas that the United States has been far more deadly than al-Qaeda. We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda” has on its hands of innocent non Muslims,” Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. Read more…

The most interesting exchange comes at the 1:40 mark when a woman in the audience asks Imam Rauf about Muslim men who go on suicide missions to bomb innocent women and children in the belief that they will be awarded with 72 virgins in Heaven.

She asked if there is something in the Qu’ran or their religion “that makes them more prepared to go off and die in the belief that they will be closer to God?”

Rauf answered the question by saying: “the Qu’ran says you shall have whatever your heart desires.”

Rauf also tosses the word “ni**ers” around to make a point about ethnic conflict. You think he could have made his point without the use of the N-word?

chase

I don’t know about that sometimes I can’t make my point w/ out using the n word. Its something I have been trying to work on and I will continue to do so…
Bri

Maybe he shoulda used “ninja” instead. I don’t know, pass the Doritos…
dcwife1622

Sandra…stay away from Glen Beck..who actually called this guy a “Good Muslim” years ago…
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

@ Bri:

I think he could have made his point without using the N-word. But maybe that’s just me.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

@ dcwife1622:

Lol, he is a good Muslim. I don’t see any evidence that he isn’t. He doesn’t like America, right?
esquire

Exactly what did he say in the audio that wasn’t true? The US has killed more innocent Muslims that Al-Qaeda through its policies, misguided missile attacks and support of Al-Qaeda during the conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo. I don’t say this to diminish the atrocities of Al-Qaeda, but simply to point out facts. People act like the US has done no wrong and anyone that points out the US’s wrongdoings is anti-American. Call a spade a spade. Obama has realized that the US has treated Muslims wrong and that is why he is making an effort to reach out to them.
Kcalvin2002

Why is everyone making such a HUGE deal about this now that Barack is President?? I mean Sandra where was your story/post when Pres. Bush did the same exact thing back in 2007???
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Kcalvin2002 says:

I mean Sandra where was your story/post when Pres. Bush did the same exact thing back in 2007???
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I guess the Imam wasn’t yet caught on tape calling us ni**ers? The point is, this is the guy who is being paid by Obama and the state department to preach Muslim outreach now. I don’t care what he did in 2007.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

esquire says:

Lol, so if a country attacks us we’re not supposed to retaliate?
kcicero

This comment has been edited for the following reason: Only 2 emoticons allowed.

RIGHT YOU ONLY CARE BECAUSE IT’S OBAMA THAT’S DOING IT…THE CONSERVATIVES CAN DO NO WRONG….
kcicero

Since when Sandra?
Kcalvin2002

LOL LOL at the editing of Kcicero coments due to icon limits…LOL LOL
esquire

Sandra,

I didn’t say don’t retaliate if attacked, but Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. They did nothing to us to provoke the Iraqi conflict. Nonetheless, the US bombed their country killing thousands of innocent Iraqis.

Furthermore, had the US not trained Al-Qaeda and use Bin Laden as a confidant, that organization probably wouldn’t be what they are today.
Kcalvin2002

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kcicero

Sandra Rose says:

Kcalvin2002 says:
I mean Sandra where was your story/post when Pres. Bush did the same exact thing back in 2007???
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I guess the Imam wasn’t yet caught on tape calling us ni**ers? The point is, this is the guy who is being paid by Obama and the state department to preach Muslim outreach now. I don’t care what he did in 2007.

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Iraq attacked us The last time I checked Saddam hated Al Qaeda and the Taliban just as much as we did….he did not allow them in his country, so yes even if one wants to say the over 100, 000 innocent muslims killed in Afghanistan is justified because they attacked us how do we explain the hundred of thousands of innocent muslim deaths in Iraq killed by our govt…. I’ll :wait:
esquire

And Sandra, as far as him using the N-word, he didn’t call you, me or any other Black person a ni****. He said that and used “whitties” to illustrate the racial problems that exist. That much is obvious from the little snippet that you posted. Had he used “honkey” maybe you would have understood his point better.

I’d like to hear the unedited version of his speech. Did the Shirley Sherrod incident teach us nothing.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Imagine what the good Imam says in private with no cameras around.
esquire

I’m more concerned with what he said in this meeting that was edited out.
kcicero

Preach @ esquire

Holla at me when you A) post the whole convo in its entirety
B) include video of it C) post a video of him calling Blacks Ni**ers directly because that was not what his comment was about…

#teamBlackmuslims #teamthefirstBlackChristianPresidentBarackOBAMA
Starr
Ms. Thickness

kcicero says:

Since when Sandra?
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SINCE YOU SAID SOMETHING THEY DIDNT AGREE WITH OR PERSONALLY CONNECTED WITH.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

kcicero says:

Afghanistan is justified because they attacked us how do we explain the hundred of thousands of innocent muslim deaths in Iraq killed by our govt…
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It’s kind of difficult to be careful with those big bombs in the middle of a war. They’re called casualties of war. We didn’t go over there to kill innocent woman and children, went to protect our country. Maybe if they hadn’t attacked us first those people would still be alive. What about the 300,000 Iraqis killed by Saddam?
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

While I was mediating small claim cases in Passaic County Superior Court in 1995, I learned from a white tenant who was being sued by his white landlord that the racist landlord called Arabs “desert n*****s.”

The tenant had broken his lease and failed to pay rent for several months prior to vacating the premises. In NJ, a landlord is required to mitigate his damages by reletting or renting the apartment to a new tenant. Well, several persons, who were Black and Arabs, sought to rent the vacant apartment but the racist landlord did not want to rent to them because of their race.

I guess the non-paying tenant thought that telling me about the landlord’s use of the n-word would help his case because I was Black.
kcicero

What 300,000 Iraqi’s oh the ones who we urged to uprise against his government and promised to back them then left them high and dry when Saddam used weapons that we gave him to put down the treasonous groups….

While we’re at it what is the law on treason in this country…. I’ll
H-Townmama

@KC
You already know people choose to see only half-truths. We(Haliburton and other companies) are making some serious money off this war. The weapons of mass destruction was a ruse to get in there and do exacty what is being done, even if there were weapons of mass destruction Im sure we would have been the suppliers.
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

@H-Townmama, You better preach. I blame everything on Dick Cheney and Haliburton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKxPtP6XjQ renegadesince1985

Please stop this crusade against Islam Sandra…it’s not right. Stop using Al-Qaeda and Islam interchangeably…they are not the same. Every Muslim is not a terrorist. What you are doing is basically campaigning hatred against a religion…you are no better than those terrorists that campaign against america.

Religion is man-made and nothing of man is perfect…GOD/Allah/Yahweh..whatever you choose to call him…it doesn’t matter…they are all different paths to the same destination IMO.
kcicero

@ Htownmama this is very true!

And your daughter is such a cutie pie! KC love the kiddies….I should…I have 3 of my own
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

Check this video out about Haliburton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3p1l__AaG0
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

@ H-Townmama:

the point is you don’t take our tax dollars and spend it on a man to go spew hateful speech about America in the middle east. Imam Rauf still refuses to denounce Hamas whose leader justified (and laughed at) the mass murders of innocent Americans and justifies suicide bombing attacks against innocent Israelis.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

@ renegadesince1985:

I am not campaigning hard against a religion. Stop putting words in my mouth. I am simply pointing out the atrocities that still exists in Islamic law that calls for beheadings, cutting off limbs, stoning, flogging, etc. Am I supposed to ignore those facts? It’s kind of hard to do that when a woman was in the news on CNN just last week because she was sentenced to stoning.
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

It get worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDfYzq_HaQ&feature=related
Daisy

@Sandra Did you forget that you approved THREE smiley faces per post upon my request when you gave us the smileys back? When did you change it back to two per post?

at this topic again
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Daisy says:

@Sandra Did you forget that you approved THREE smiley faces per post upon my request when you gave us the smileys back? When did you change it back to two per post?
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It’s always been 2 smilies max dear. It even says so on the smileys page.
Daisy

@sandra I am not crazy I asked could it be changed to 3 in the comment section one day and you said YES then on another occassion we (posters) were going back and forth about the number and you said again 3 was ok cause I was telling them I asked you and you approved. I will go back to two but I know you approved 3 at one point in time after you gave them back.
LuvMySailor

Considering that it was America would gave the guns to Saddam Hussein when he was attacking his own people……and then they turned around and hanged him…..hmmmm…..
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

LuvMySailor says:

Considering that it was America would gave the guns to Saddam Hussein
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Do you have a link to prove that? Because I can provide links to the many stories of Saddam and his sociopathic sons torturing and murdering thousands of people for their own personal pleasure. Saddam killed 300,000 of his own people and he was executed by his own people for crimes against humanity. We give plenty of countries guns. That doesn’t mean we’re responsible for what they do with them just as car dealers are not held responsible for drunk drivers. Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else.
esquire

The US did provide Iraq and Saddam with weapons. It was during the Iraq-Iran war of the late 80’s. Check here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml

Sandra, that analogy does not work. We provided arms to other nations for the explicit purpose of fighting in wars (to kill) and in an effort to gain allies. Car dealers sell cars with the explicit purpose of making money and providing a means of transportation. So when we provide arms to lunatics (Saddam didn’t become crazy just during George W.’s term) for them to fight against others and they somehow turn against us or use those weapons for bad purposes, we do share some fault.

Saddam was not the first psycho to kill thousands of his own people. Africa is rife with dictators that perform ethnic cleansing, but the US hasn’t invaded those countries.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

esquire says:

The US did provide Iraq and Saddam with weapons. It was during the Iraq-Iran war of the late 80’s. Check here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml
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Of course guns are used to kill. We sell guns to many countries. We don’t tell them to kill innocent people with them. This argument is going nowhere. I don’t see what guns has to do with this Imam bad mouthing this country after taking our money to travel to the middle east. The point is, Muslims kill more Muslims than Americans ever have.
esquire

The US providing guns has nothing to do with the Imam going to the Middle East. You asked for a link and I gave you one. And while Rumsfield may not have told Saddam to kill innocent people, there was a great probability that he was going to. And when he did Reagan turned a blind eye.

And again, what did he say in that edited audio you posted that bad mouthed the US? Bad-mouthing the US and telling the truth are two different things. He told facts, the truth, but I didn’t hear him bad-mouth the US.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

esquire says:

The US providing guns has nothing to do with the Imam going to the Middle East. You asked for a link and I gave you one.
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Did you read the link? It doesn’t say anything about guns. It says chemical weapons and cluster bombs. No guns. Good try though.

“Teicher claimed that the CIA supplied Iraq with cluster bombs through a Chilean company. However, German and UK firms sold more weapons to Iraq than U.S. arms companies, the Post reports.”
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

esquire says:

He told facts, the truth, but I didn’t hear him bad-mouth the US.
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Then you didn’t watch the entire video. He said the facts as it suited him. The facts are that Muslims have killed more Muslims than Americans have.
esquire

Yes, I read the link, but ok, I wrote the wrong weapon; I’ll give you that. But chemical weapons are worse.
lexdiamonz

Once and for all the facts are the facts, Ground Zero is a sensitive, sacred area for Americans, (muslim, christian, etc) so if the imam wants to be tolerant build it somewhere else period point blank !!! i know i know all the arguments,protests,rebuttals, etc but the issue is creating too much UNEEDED emotion so my question is regardless of our different religions, beliefs or views (WE COULD ARGUE 4EVER about this) what is the case of it being built at another location

a friend asked me a question that caused me to pause the other day

how would you feel if the KKK built a gift shop next door to Ebenezer Baptist Church,

then we got into the argument that the KKK is a terrorist group also

my point is the building of this mosque has garnered too many emotions and i am shocked that so many people are making it into something it is not …. so the question is why are so many opposed to building it somewhere other than Ground Zero????
lexdiamonz

and SERIOUSLY ponder the question i posed before i get my azz handed to me by the MILITANT bishes on this board……

We can argue for days call SR (racist, Muslim-hater, etc) and we all know Ms Rose is an equal opportunity hater LOL!!!! so outside of all the politics, religion etc, ( 5 blocks is not a long way in NY)

OUTSIDE OF EVERYTHING !!!! is it really that serious can we please discuss why 15 million AMERICANS are jobless??
Al-Ameera

@ Lex, you are correct if it was Al-Qaeda building a Mosque next to ground zero, like Rene said you and other people are acting like Muslims and Al-Qaeda are one in the same, they are NOT! They are extremist that happen to claim Islam just like the KKK are extremist/racist that happen to be white and happen to claim Christianity.

So should I say that I don’t want any white people or any Christians near me since they happen to have something in common with the KKK?

Also, the media, the slanted media that we all know and love (sarcasm) took a poll (another thing we love) a nation wide one and a local NYC one and only 30 percent of people nationwide oppose the building of the Cultural Center there but here is the truly AMAZING part the local poll in NYC even less than 20 percent oppose it. The news would have you believe that the whole city is against it. They have found a hand full of people that are against it and keep sensationalizing it

I live here EVERY DAY and this is the hot topic right now.
Daisy

@Lex wow why must ppl be called militant (I don’t always think that’s a bad thing by the way either)?

@Al I agree Muslim/Mosque does NOT equal Al Queda I wish more ppl would realize that. I agree this is only a hot topic right now and the media is hyping it up playin on fears sadly.
lexdiamonz

@al-amera that is what i am trying to convey we are NOT all saying al-q and all muslims are the same.. i just want us to have a “calm” logical debate about the sensitivity of the issue

@ daisy GIRL U know U militant but that is what i LOVE about you LOL!!!

I just want to take the politics/religion and emotion out of it and be civil about it let the people who live there in New York take a vote on building it and majority rules surely you cannot get more fairer than that
and while i love the debates on “hot topics” sometimes they do get a lil AGRESSIVE but we can all agree to disagree…. that is what makes AMERICA so great!!!!!
Al-Ameera

@ Daisy, that’s the saddest part of this to me, not that everyone is a racist or hater of Islam, some people are just genuinely scared and/or ignorant and people who are wickely wise, that have another agenda and don’t have the people best interest at heart are playing on all of this.

Also, have you notice that Muslims are supposed to be horrible this, that, and the thrid but we are the ones being called names and attacked, even on this board.

Kcic and I both kept the debate clean but people, the good Christian folks were talking REAL crazy to us, even calling us out of our names. Is that what Jesus would do or want? And contrary to what people believe, I STUDY not only the Qu’ran but the Bible as well. It was the book I was raised on and I love it…So, those who want to run and answer that be careful on how you want to twist the words in it.
kcicero

Well since New York has already spoken and they are in favor of the Mosque…..moving on

About those jobs…the only way they are coming back is if we fine businesses who took jobs to other third world countries and also reverse their tax breaks….considering that Conservatives and most Democrats are for Democracy and Free Market that will never happen here…so I will not blame Obama

*Pumps fist in air ala the fab Black Olympians….with my militant arse*
kcicero

Al-Ameera says:

Also, have you notice that Muslims are supposed to be horrible this, that, and the thrid but we are the ones being called names and attacked, even on this board.
Kcic and I both kept the debate clean but people, the good Christian folks were talking REAL crazy to us, even calling us out of our names. Is that what Jesus would do or want? And contrary to what people believe, I STUDY not only the Qu’ran but the Bible as well. It was the book I was raised on and I love it…So, those who want to run and answer that be careful on how you want to twist the words in it.

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I see people was lurking yesterday when a few people got intelligently schooled…wonder why they didn’t jump in

*Say It Loud I’m Muslim Black American and Proud”
Al-Ameera

@ Lex, who was not being calm and logical? You called us Militant B’s…
Point out one instance where I have ever in any post, have been disrespectful to anyone on this board? Yes, I will give my opinion and can debate all day when I am not busy but I can agree to disagree. I argue in the best manner.
You said that Al-Qaeda and Muslims are not the same and you know it but then why give an analogy of the KKK locating next to a Baptist Church, the KKK is a SPECIFIC group of Christians by their own claim (They say they are a Christian organization) just as Al-Qaeda is a Specific group. Just like you and other Christians DON’T claim the KKK, other Muslims and I don’t claim Al-Qaeda or their actions.
lexdiamonz

@kcicero

i was reading the comments and i dont think you “intelligently schooled” anyone more like cyber-yelling and e-thugging trying to get your point across

@al-am i didn’t call you militant re-read my comment i will say that in fact you, rene and daisy were some of the more calmer posts that i actually took the time to read all the other comments full caps and exclamation points i just skipped across and no i have NEVER EVER seen you comment to anyone on here disrespectful or offensive…so i am sorry ALL religions have their extremists but take the religion out of it is what i was saying in my initial question…. and up until this point very few posters are doing that we all are grown women e-fighting is not going to change either my or your opinion on how we feel about the issue
kcicero

The only one e-fighting is you hun…sorry you skipped over my comments you would have learned something…(though I have a feeling you read everything I said

But yeah they got schooled….

Anyways I’m over arguing about it, the fact is they paid the money and if they so choose will build the Islamic Center there, whether 20% of Americans dislike it or not….
lexdiamonz

@kc

umm based on your previous track record of commenting on different issues here on SRose….. trust me I didn’t

and i will respect you and everyone else’s viewpoint on the issue

moving on to news and gossip on this blog
Al-Ameera

@ Lex,, OK let’s take religion out of it for a minute.

They bought the spot cuz it was CHEAP. The location has been closed for 9 years and no one has built over there since 9/11 happened, hence why it was only $4 million dollars. They said a spot that size goes no less than $20-30 million but in attempt to get the surrounding area poppin again they are letting properties go for cheap.

So at the end of the day, they bought, it’s theirs fair and square. To ask them to relocate would be asking them to come up with the remainder of the 20-30 million or more even. Unless someone is going to subsidize the additional monies, than no, they should not move the location.

Lex, imagine that you always want to become a home homeowner but you couldn’t afford anything but over in the ghetto where NO ONE wanted to live you were able to buy a house because it was finally affordable to you…And then people said I don’t want her here because of any ramdom reason. Cuz she smokes cigaretts in HER home and this should be a smoke free neighborhood…well wouldn’t you tell them, stay the hell out of your house and mind theirs? This is no different, religion out of it
Al-Ameera

Oh btw, I did call Rene a B but I meant it in love…

@ Rene sorry anyway!
lexdiamonz

@ al-ameera

okay i see ur point since u break it down like that

case closed
lexdiamonz

@rene u know u militant girl but i still love you i know how that hot jamaican fire !!!!!! and u my soror

skee-weee

*waiting on Rene to come school me*

LOL
Al-Ameera

@ Lex, you just cuttin up now.

We may be a lil fired up or senstive about it but put yourself in our shoes, since 9/11 it seems like all we do is get attacked and have to defend ourselves. Hell we tired
lexdiamonz

@ Al-am

I know, I know it has been bad like Obama my daddy was Muslim(shout out Nigerians)guess that makes me muslim too sandy LOL!!!! some real hardcore Muslim teachings went down in the crib and i still dabble but do not practice it and I go to a Baptist church too on occasion I think everyone is so intricately layered sometimes we get too emotional about these things it IS a blog LOL!!!! but i still love yall hell even you too KC i just like “riling” yall up from time to time
it is Ramadan aren’t yall supposed to cuss us out AFTER sundown????
Daisy

@lez KC isn’t a bully and she explained why she was n all caps yesterday I think

Anyhoo yes I can be militant at times when it comes to social justice issues say it loud I’m black n I’m proud!
Al-Ameera

@ Lex, yes we are supposed to be in a peace place til after about 7:55 pm but ya’ll was cuttin up had me showin my behind all up and thru! LOL
And girl your family is Nigerian, you know I got one of those over too so stop playin!

Kcic is good peeps and the caps was nothing, like I said we just exhausted always having to defend ourselves
MOUTH

HELLO ALL, NOT TODAY JUST NOT TODAY
Destinee

I dont understand why Sandra is acting like this was the first time we went over there to start a war. Do you not remember the Desert Storm? They didn’t attack our country then. We really only have selective memory of what we have done to other countries, but this is suppose to be about religion not a group of CERTAIN people.

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