Kirk Cameron calls homosexuality ‘unnatural’; CNN’s Piers Morgan says Kirk has the right to his opinion

Sandra Rose March 5, 2012

Kirk Cameron and Piers Morgan

Former child star Kirk Cameron has once again riled gay advocacy groups with his controversial statements on gay marriage and homosexuality.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan talk show on Friday, the 41-year-old former ‘Growing Pains‘ star said homosexuality was “unnatural” and “detrimental” to society.

“I think that it’s detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization,” Cameron told Morgan.

Cameron, who is an Evangelical Christian, also defended the institution of marriage:

“Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. And I don’t think anyone else should either,” Cameron said. “So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don’t.” Source

Opinions are protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Whether gays like it or not, Cameron’s opinions on homosexuality are his opinions and he has the right to express them — according to Morgan.

Morgan called Cameron “brave” and “honest” when he was interviewed by celebrity gossip website TMZ.com, over the weekend.

“I felt that he was honest to what he believed,” Morgan told TMZ when he was asked to weigh in on the controversy.

“He was pretty brave to say what he said…” added Morgan.

This is not the first time Cameron has invoked furor with his opinions on homosexuality and gay marriage. A simple Google check will return dozens of other instances when Cameron has expressed anti-gay sentiments in the past. So what makes this time any different?

Probably because Cameron used the word “unnatural” to define gay sex. But is he wrong?

Traditionalists argue that gay sex is unnatural, since that particular sex act does not produce babies. After all, we were placed here on earth to give birth to future generations which ensures the survival of the human species. Gay sex does not ensure the survival of the human species.

NaijaGal

I actually give Kirk kudos and respect for sticking to his statements/beliefs and not backtracking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

this could get messy…

But Kirk DOES have a right to his opinion…
CD FENTY

Umm I actually agree with Fe everyone has a right to their opinion. Hey Fe

:hugs: Naija
I am His

Its true, he does have a right to his opinion. We may not agree with it but that’s our right also.
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

He has a right to his opinion, even if my opinion is that he’s ignorant and misinformed.

Morning.
GeminEyez

He def does have the right to say what he believes is true. Americans spend so much time trying to cater to folks. Why should he have to hide what he believes to be true just to make other people “comfortable”. Thats whats wrong with society, we are too comfortable
breniqua

Good morning!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

Hey CD….and yeah, I saw that shyt in the last post…

@Naija
!*LaKErCHiC@*!

This might get…. Meeeeeooowwwyyy
Posche

I agree with Kirk and he can say whatever he feels. We all have our beliefs. GOD is real.
lady_cn

Like everyone else is saying, to each his/her own.

I must say though that I had the biggest crush on him in his Growing Pains days.
GeminEyez

YSoSrs says:

He has a right to his opinion, even if my opinion is that he’s ignorant and misinformed.

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How is he ignorant and misinformed?
ryand91

Although, I don’t agree with what Kirk said. I agree with his right to say it. I don’t know what the gay mafia feels like they can silence any and everybody that exercises their first admendment right. They just need to go somewhere.
CD FENTY

Man I remember when I thought Kirk was the cutest white boy ever. Time brings about a change
ryand91

I don’t know why*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

:hugs: @breniqua and YSo

Kirk has always come off to me as a douche…so while I respect his opinion and like that he stands strong in his faith, he still KILLS me at times…
Mamacita

I agree.

I have nothing against people who choose that lifestyle. Hell my best friend is gay and I have other associates who are gay. That doesn’t take away from the fact that it IS unnatural.
CD FENTY

@Fe
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@GEM

Homosexuality is not detrimental to anyone. Nor is it “unnatural”. If it is so unnatural, why do even lesser animals engage in homosexuality? Are they consciously choosing to go against nature too?
http://www.facebook.com/binkii52 Binki

Good morning everyone … Kirk has the right to feel the way he does. The words are strong but he wasn’t a raving lunatic. He was stating his opinion. I know that unlike TI, he won’t back down because they come after him. They meaning GLAAD and Harvey Levin
prynsexxx

Morning EVERYBODY.

He has a right to his OPINION, but I always thought he had a bit of “tendencies” his own self.
cheeks8683

I have always loved and respected Kirk, he stood strong in his belief even if it wasn’t popular. He left a good career in hollywood to devote his life to Christ. I rather enjoy his show where he confronts people on the street about their beliefs. He does it in a way that leaves the person thinking. I know his choice of words will cause him to catch all kinds of hell but he is just stating what is written and what is written is TRUTH. Now I don’t judge people, I love everybody but what is true is true and I give him a on this one
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

Luckily Kirk’s career ended in the 90s so the mafia doesn’t have much to destroy…but he’s entitled to his opinion, and in today’s times, he’s VERY brave to say how he feels.

Mawning er’one
http://www.amazon.com/gotta-make-Heaven-going-thru/product-reviews/1448656729/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_t iscream

I find it disgusting that they said they were going to follow his engagements.
NaijaGal

CD & FeFe morning divas

Mamacita, YSO, ryan, lady, Lakes, Gemi
Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy!

I have nothing against gays, and even enjoy lesbo porn someimes….BUT…. I do agree with Kirk.
!*LaKErCHiC@*!

Naija :hi)
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@FEFE & NAIJA
ryand91

Heyyyyyyy Naija

and good morning everyone!!!

@prynn a lot of these people who are so against homosexuality have tendacies, but that’s a whole nother conversation.
breniqua

@ Fe…hope you had a great weekend!!
lovezoe

Mmmm. No comment.

Saw Project X this weekend- HEE LARRY US
LaceJagger

It’s called freedom of speech.. Great job Kirk!! And he’s right.. Can homosexual sex cause reproduction?..he wasn’t judging anyone.. He was staying facts and his personal opinions.
!*LaKErCHiC@*!

Yso :2dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

:hugs: @Hershey, Lakes, Sassy
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

And how can one say they have nothing against gays in one sentence and condemn them as being “unnatural” in the next? That’s what I’m not getting.
cheeks8683

Although, I don’t agree with what Kirk said. I agree with his right to say it. I don’t know what the gay mafia feels like they can silence any and everybody that exercises their first admendment right. They just need to go somewhere.
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Right! Just sensitive for no reason. Don’t assasinate everyone for having an opinion. I can’t stand Rush Limbaugh but I’m not going to devote my life to bringing him down, why? Because there will always be someone to replace him. U can’t silence everyone!
Zimsummer

I think it is “unnatural” My opinion and should the subject ever come up, I would say so. Actually in Zimbabwe, it is strongly “discouraged”. Just don’t believe people should be beaten up or killed if they say they are. If you don’t like it or them , then stay the hell away from them.

My 2 cents for the year!
Divine

Is it just me or everytime a ultra cristian publicaly comes out STRONGLY against gay marriage & homosexuality that their scorned gay lover is somewhere waiting to see his story to the tabloids. It’s been whispered (on blind items) that’s Kirk has his little gay escapades all the time, his speaking up against it must have something to with his self loathing for desiring a man which he may still consider “unnatural”
I Go There

Well damn… Check out the balls on Mike Seaver
Says alot for a dude that use to hang out with a guy named Boner.

Anywho

Whats up folks.
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

So, was Rush just exercising his right freedom of speech when he called that young girl a slut and a whore and when he says the things he does about black people? Or is freedom of speech only a right when you can agree with it?
Divine

*sell his story
CD FENTY

Hershey, Pryn, YSo, Dougie, Lakes, Ryan, Lovezoe, Cheeks,Lace & Iscream

Hope that’s errrbody if not whateva
ryand91

Heyyyyyy @ CD!

I’m going to lurk in this post. <<<really my master clease mix
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@MRS. FENTY

How’s the little woman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

@I Go
MZN

@ YSO which animals have gay sex?
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

I go

@Yso, he was voicing his opinion in a tacky attempt to get the usual shock and awe. Rush is classless, but in the end it was his opinion too.
CD FENTY

@Yso

She’s doing fine. Just getting back from London so we’ve really be focusing on family time.
http://twitter.com/SayItaIntSoJoe8 Atypical

I don’t agree with what he said but I think he does have the right to say it… There are lots of straight people who can’t reproduce…Does that mean they’re an abomination too? #seriousquestion
mexidorean

I thought this guy was gay. Am I confusing him with someone?
CertifiedSexy

Everyone has a right to their opinion. I honestly respect his opinion. He said it in a respectful manner and one cannot argue with that. It’s when people are being directly disrespectful and say derogatory things to disrespect, intentionally hurt, or demean someone’s character. Those are the individuals that I have a problem with!
mexidorean

Nevermind I was confusing him with Dougie Howser
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

this stuff right here
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

@ CD, can you tell Robin to please stop tweeting those rice cake pictures? I thought I was going to die from laughter Saturday

#ifukkswithrobinfenty
VDot

Homosexuality is not detrimental to anyone. Nor is it “unnatural”. If it is so unnatural, why do even lesser animals engage in homosexuality? Are they consciously choosing to go against nature too? .

Homosexuality has been around since the begining of time. I don’t know why people act like it’s all of a sudden new. And strange.

@ YSO which animals have gay sex .

Google it :pc:. It’s a whole list of them. Pretty much all of them. LOL
NaijaGal

Has Roland gotten has job back yet?

When did homosexuality become a ‘bad thing’ since the kings and queens of medevial (sp?) times participated in it
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

@ Certified are you new to these parts? Don’t recognize the name or the lovely face
cheeks8683

Hey CD :wave:

Regarding Rush…as disrespectful as he is towards people with is comments, yes, he is excercising his freedom of speech. We can speak out against it and he can “apologize” but I doubt he means it, he has already dug his own grave, some people hate him and some people love him
Mamacita

I say that I have nothing against them because being gay isn’t what makes you! It doesn’t define you as a person. You can still be kind, funny, caring, down to earth, etc. My gay friend is one of the funniest, selfless people I’ve ever met. We’ll do anything for each other. Just because he’s gay doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s a good person. I don’t automatically write someone off because of who they choose to sleep with.
ryand91

@Hershey, Rih is still tweeting rice cake pics? She better quit. (I’m off Twitter for Lent but I saw one of the pics on another blog)
Mamacita

Naija
CD FENTY

@Hershey
My bae cray cray aint she. Had the hoop earrings and all
Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy!

Hey Fefe & CD!

I don’t have anything against gays…. but I do agree with his statements. I love Drag Queens, always thought RuPaul was the fiercest bish alive, but I find that sh*t unnatural too.

I have nothing against the African tribes that practice female circumcision, I find that sh*t unnatural and slightly barbaric too.

Tomato, tomatoe. I can approve of a person, just not approve of their lifestyle/tendencies. That’s where I’m at with it.
ryand91

@Naija, no I don’t think I’ve seen Roland up there in a while and I didn’t even take what he said as being derogatory to gay people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

This is a touchy topic…and I have my opinions about homosexuality for sure, but I also realize that sex is ALSO a form of expressing love. It is NOT solely for reproduction (this is a Puritan ideology and is very ancient)… thus if two gay people want to express love, how else is there to do it? #seriousquestion

@CD

Did you put Robyn up to that rice cake pic? I was at that chit!
LadeeA

Why is God’s word now “controversial”? Kirk is only paraphrasing God’s word. The bible says that homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is honorable. This is God’s word. The world’s spin on it is what is controversial.

God’s word NEVER changes unless foolish MAN decides to add or take away from it. Kirk is not compromising like many people do, he is speaking the raw uncut word.
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

@ Ryan, yes she’s still acting out…pushing ‘s buttons and chyt…when the two of them slug it out, Riri’s Navy better have her back, cause has a lot of unresolved rage just waiting for Riri
http://www.amazon.com/gotta-make-Heaven-going-thru/product-reviews/1448656729/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_t iscream

Good Morning CD….
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

good mornin erryones..errryonessssssssssssssss.

I HATE MONDAYS!!!

But I digress. @
Hershey
FeFe
Yso
Igo
Laker aka Oscar-rita lol
Lovezoe
Sassy
Naija
and if I missed anyonesssss….{insert name here}

I used to LUVVVV me some Kirk…sexxy lil thanggggg. LOL.
I agree he has a right to his opinion. He didnt use disparaging terminology either. That’s all I’ve got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

:hugs: @mzwhang
!*LaKErCHiC@*!

Mzwhang
KayCeiSoul

thus if two gay people want to express love, how else is there to do it? #seriousquestion

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Unlimited cocktails, prime rib, lobster, some nice smooth jazz, and a massage. Works for me.

But then…that always leads back to the sex part doesn’t it?

Oh well. I tried Sis.

Hey Boo!
ryand91

To some people the bible is just a book of fairy tales. So they don’t respect or believe it. We can’t base our society around one group’s beliefs and principles. America is a diverse country of different beliefs and non-beliefs, each and every group deserves respect. Last time I checked church and state were separate. But whatever that’s my two cents on this issue.
LadeeA

@mzwhang90210- {insert name here} LADEEA!
GeminEyez

YSoSrs

According to his faith (if he is a true follower of Jesus Christ) then it is unnatural. Sodomy is unnatural and against the ways of God, Sodom and Gomorrah. I can give you scriptures starting with Leviticus 18:22.
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

Mzwhang

iscream, oh so CD’s the only person you see this mernting?
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

@Mexi…ummm the guy that used to play the son on “Who’s The Boss” came out of the closet. Perhaps that’s who you’re confusing Kirk with?
CD FENTY

@Fe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

@KayCei

Hey girl….someone else actually brought that point up to me years ago and it always had me thinking…
Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy!

@MzWhang
I griggin hate Mondays too!
GeminEyez

LadeeA says:

Why is God’s word now “controversial”? Kirk is only paraphrasing God’s word. The bible says that homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is honorable. This is God’s word. The world’s spin on it is what is controversial.

God’s word NEVER changes unless foolish MAN decides to add or take away from it. Kirk is not compromising like many people do, he is speaking the raw uncut word.

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Hebrews 13:8, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever
Malachi 3:6
Detective Iheart

Yall still on topin
Oh, Morning and chit
Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy!

*friggin
WUT-IZ-SWAGU

YSoSrs says:

So, was Rush just exercising his right freedom of speech when he called that young girl a slut and a whore and when he says the things he does about black people? Or is freedom of speech only a right when you can agree with it?
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Goodmorning

I think freedom of speech is for everyone. We have a right to speak and people have a right to agree or disagree. Depending on how big you are socially, the more people will try to make you say what is culturally popular and when you don’t there is pressure to apologize for what you truly felt in the first place. Rush meant what he said and still means it. He just play politically correct and apologize AFTER he knowingly makes his comments…
NaijaGal

mzwhang hey boo
VDot

We can’t base our society around one group’s beliefs and principles. America is a diverse country of different beliefs and non-beliefs, each and every group deserves respect. .

I’m glad you said this. Often times people work under the assumption that everyone believes in the Bible, which is pretty narrow minded.

God’s word NEVER changes unless foolish MAN decides to add or take away from it. .

Which is why, we should also remember that God’s word was written by MAN.
http://talkingwithtami.com/blog talkingwithtami

to Kirk and sticking to his guns!
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

@
Laydeea
Iheart
I Run New York

Kudos to Kirk for not being afraid to voice his opinion. The gay mafia got a lot of people shook these days.
LadeeA

Anyways, I had gay friends and gay people in my family. Still love them the same, but the word is the word.

Human nature will follow many other rules, like Traffic and Vehicle rules, etc. We do our best to stop at a stop sign or not run a red light because there are consequences, but obeying God’s word is a difficult one for many. The minute someone quotes instruction from God’s word people get offended and act all kind of crazy.
Mannie

YSoSrs says:

So, was Rush just exercising his right freedom of speech when he called that young girl a slut and a whore and when he says the things he does about black people? Or is freedom of speech only a right when you can agree with it?
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CertifiedSexy

@the commenter formally known as Hershey No…I been around for awhile. Just haven’t logged in lately.
CD FENTY

Mswhang
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

Thanks to everyone that responded to me. I’m not trying to offend by asking these things. I know this is a touchy subject and I have my own opinions and biases about. I’m going to have to agree to disagree with most of you though.

I cannot believe that something I see as occurring naturally (meaning without having to make a conscious choice to do so) as inherently unnatural.
MZN

Animals having gay sex sounds so ridiculous and we’re not animals. I have to agree with Kirk. God made man for woman and woman for man. It’s just logical. Sorry folks there is no getting around that…
CD FENTY

Detective :hugs: I watched a 48 hour marathon of Murder She Wrote in honor of u
Mannie

Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy! says:

Hey Fefe & CD!

I don’t have anything against gays…. but I do agree with his statements. I love Drag Queens, always thought RuPaul was the fiercest bish alive, but I find that sh*t unnatural too.

I have nothing against the African tribes that practice female circumcision, I find that sh*t unnatural and slightly barbaric too.

Tomato, tomatoe. I can approve of a person, just not approve of their lifestyle/tendencies. That’s where I’m at with it.
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Aww Sassy…Say it aint so…I dont think you can seerate a person and the and the way they live there life/tendencies…I always felt like its love all or none…
KayCeiSoul

GeminEyez says:

LadeeA says:

Why is God’s word now “controversial”? Kirk is only paraphrasing God’s word. The bible says that homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is honorable. This is God’s word. The world’s spin on it is what is controversial.

God’s word NEVER changes unless foolish MAN decides to add or take away from it. Kirk is not compromising like many people do, he is speaking the raw uncut word.

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Hebrews 13:8, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever
Malachi 3:6

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Shole is.

Kirk is a believer – ANY believer is going to say that it is unnatural. That doesn’t make what he’s stating controversial. He is stating his beliefs. The gay backlash regarding the opinions and beliefs of others in order to justify their life choices are getting out of hand – many are waaaay to sensitive.

I feel like this – do what you do. I have no heaven or hell to put you in. But when you ASK how someone feels about it, don’t let your lace thong split your azz about the response. It’s not like it’s going to stop someone from loving who they love.
Mannie

YSoSrs says:

Thanks to everyone that responded to me. I’m not trying to offend by asking these things. I know this is a touchy subject and I have my own opinions and biases about. I’m going to have to agree to disagree with most of you though.

I cannot believe that something I see as occurring naturally (meaning without having to make a conscious choice to do so) as inherently unnatural.
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We are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>here<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On this topic Yso…
LadeeA

@ V-Dot- Written by man under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. The Devil is a liar and the father of all lies.

@Gemineyez- Great scripture.
ryand91

<——–loves everyone and doesn't give a damn what nobody does as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights.
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@VDOT

Exactly.

@GEM

Thanks but I know what the Bible says. I don’t believe in any of it.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Hershey says:

Luckily Kirk’s career ended in the 90s so the mafia doesn’t have much to destroy…
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Mannie

And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…

Just saying that ish works both ways…
Anna

Doesn’t Kirk have 50/11 kids? What are the odds one of them is gay, will he turn his back on his child?
Detective Iheart

CD FENTY says:

Detective I watched a 48 hour marathon of Murder She Wrote in honor of u

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:hugs: I was doing NO detective work this weekend
ryand91

And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…

Just saying that ish works both ways…

——-You better say that! I had a classmate who has had 439393929 abortions but she stays downing gay people and people that she sees as none Christian.
MRSJONESK

I CO-SIGN WITH LADEEA COMMENT!! HIGH FIVE!!
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@MZN

It’s not ridiculous. It’s scientific fact that many species of animals engage in homosexual sex. It’s a long list that includes penguins, lions, some primates including humans. We are, at base, just high functioning animals.
I Run New York

This is very different from Rush. Calling a woman a slut is not your opinion. How can you compare someone voicing their opinion on traditional marriage to calling a woman a prostitute.
http://i35.tinypic.com/ei1sht.jpg Mother Jefferson

People pick and choose what they want to believe out the Bible. Lust, fornication, premarital sex, masturbation, having sex seven days after your period are all sins. So why should anyone be held to different parts of the Bible?

I think we all need to focus on being more like Jesus
I Run New York

“And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…”

Gay sex isn’t a sin it’s an abomination. Please brush up on your scripture sister.
ryand91

@I Run, it all boils down to the right to have free speech. If you want what Kirk said to be respected you have you to respect what Rush said. Not agree with it but respect it because both were exercising their right to free speech.
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Which is why, we should also remember that God’s word was written by MAN.

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A man wrote everything we read whatever we read and find it to be truth or lie, A MAN WROTE IT
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

Him calling her a slut was his opinion. A hateful one, but his opinion nonetheless.

Just because Kirk didn’t curse doesn’t mean his words aren’t hurtful or disrespectful towards homosexuals.
ryand91

VERY Has anybody taken the new GRE?
I Go There

Seems to me that some of these so called Liberal folks on here are way more conservative than they think
VDot

Written by man under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. .

@ LadeeA – And let Eddie Long tell it, he too worked under the inspiration of God.

I totally get what you’re saying though. I just think it’s important to acknowledge that the Bible was written by man. Men like you and I. Flawed sinners. It was not written English and has been translated numerous times. There are missing books. I have multiple Bible versions at home and I can turn to the same chapter in both and the passage reads different.
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

@ I Run…I work with a woman who in my opinion is a slut, emphasis on my opinion, correction, she’s the town whore. This IMO, is like Rush if he feels like that young law student was a slut (which we both know he didn’t) he’s entitled to speak on it, as harsh and tactless as it seems he has the right to noncensored speech.
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Mannie says:

And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…

Just saying that ish works both ways…

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and
Mamacita

@Creamy Yeah I always say that when people use that whole “man wrote the bible” rhetoric. Everything is written by man. Anything wtittern that we argue to be fact or non fact was done so by man.
ryand91

@I Go, that’s always the case I know a lot of people who vote democrat but all their idelogies belong to the republician party. but that’s another discussion in itself.
I Run New York

“Him calling her a slut was his opinion. A hateful one, but his opinion nonetheless.”

You can’t say in my opinion 2+2= 15. That’s not how it works. Rush issue has nothing to do with opinions.

Second, disparaging someone on the basis of their gender and saying I don’t support marriage being redefined are apples and oranges. The people equating the two are out in left field. sorry.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Atypical says:

There are lots of straight people who can’t reproduce…Does that mean they’re an abomination too? #seriousquestion
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Just because a heterosexual couple’s reproductive organs are malfunctioning doesn’t mean they are engaging in unnatural sex. Pay attention to the semantics. The act of gay sex itself is unnatural, not the people engaging in it.
I Run New York

“his IMO, is like Rush if he feels like that young law student was a slut (which we both know he didn’t) he’s entitled to speak on it”

Everyone has a right to speak that’s not the issue. The issue is what are the ramifications i.e. should you be fired like Roland Martin was. The situations are apples and oranges and should not be treated the same. Voicing your opinion on traditional marriage and calling a women a slut…not the same.
Mannie

I Run New York says:

“And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…”

Gay sex isn’t a sin it’s an abomination. Please brush up on your scripture sister.
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Thats a 2 way street IrunNY…The bible calls all sins abominations…there is no sin that is a greater sin…A sin is a sin is a sin…So regardless of how you try and say it…all sins that we all commit are an afront to God…unless you are a buddist who from what i understand do judge based on sexuallity…
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

mexidorean says:

Nevermind I was confusing him with Dougie Howser
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And Dougie Hoswer is gay.
VDot

@creamy

A man wrote everything we read whatever we read and find it to be truth or lie, A MAN WROTE IT

Exactly!

Hence, why I’m skeptical of most things in general. Studies, statistics, history books, all of it. Just because it’s in print doesn’t mean I have to believe it; nor should I.
LadeeA

2 Timothy 3:16- All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

@Mannie- I guess you’re referring to me and others on here who stand by the scriptures. Yes I am an Internet Christian, home Christian, church Christian etc. I’m a Christian everywhere I go. Just because a person quotes scripture doesn’t make them perfect No one ever said that. Only God is perfect and those who follow him are working toward perfection.

And when I sin, yes because I am a real woman of God, I’ll keep it real all day with you. I fall short just like the next man. I go to God in prayer and ask for his forgiveness and continue to grow, not stay where I am. It’s a work in progress. It’s better than not trying to live right at all and giving into sin and staying there. We should ask for forgiveness EVERYDAY, because we ALL fall short everyday.
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

@ CD & Mannie

@ Yso…Rush stated his opinion in a disrepectful manner. IMHO Kirk was very respectful in stating his views. No name calling. “Un-natural” is not a noun.
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

It’s only out of left field if you believe in the Bible therefore making ones thoughts and feelings about marriage based on that a fact. I don’t so.
Mannie

I Go There says:

Seems to me that some of these so called Liberal folks on here are way more conservative than they think
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Right man…Blacks in particular kill me with being Convenient christians…
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

@ I Run, let’s keep it 100 ok? Rush has the right paint job and if ANY discipline comes his way, which it won’t, it would be behind closed doors over a couple of cold ones, the good old boy way. Roland has the wrong paint job, is too opinated and made comments about being gay, huge difference. Roland is/was employed with CNN, I don’t believe Rush is, so who will fire him from the radio?
ryand91

@mzwhang, So what somebody says should only be protected by the first amendment if it’s deemed respectful? Just asking.
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

Yso, what do you believe in?
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

Heyyyyyyy Sandra!

*plays the tamborine in background while ya’ll debate*
Daisy

@Mannie I am a christian that believes sin is sin in general God hates sin and loves the sinner. I am a sinner saved by grace. I said all that to say just because I have had sex doesn’t change the fact that IMO fornication is a sin. I don’t think being gay is a sin (let the other chrisitans throw their stones lol) I am pro gay marriage as well (ducks from even more stones). I don’t have a heaven or hell to put anybody in.

I am glad Kirk gave his opinion AND stuck by it. GLAAD gets on my nerves and I think CNN fired Roland on the low so I have NOT turned my TV back to CNN since I luv my boo Anderson but NOPE won’t do it!!!
LadeeA

Correction: My comments to Run New York. Not Mannie!
NaijaGal

I’m a liberal with conservative views #thatisall
Mannie

And when I sin, yes because I am a real woman of God, I’ll keep it real all day with you. I fall short just like the next man. I go to God in prayer and ask for his forgiveness and continue to grow, not stay where I am. It’s a work in progress. It’s better than not trying to live right at all and giving into sin and staying there. We should ask for forgiveness EVERYDAY, because we ALL fall short everyday.
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@ Ladeea…

I respect your POV on this and you actually just proved my point if the act of gay sex is a sin then asking for gods forgiveness and cultivating a personal bond with god who knows your heart and can see that any man or woman who is flawed and still has a real love for him should also be allowed seek his love and forgiveness…
I Run New York

“The bible calls all sins abominations”

That is not true. Sin and an abomination are two different things.

“there is no sin that is a greater sin…A sin is a sin is a sin”

That is true. Stealing is treated the same as killing.
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

@ ryand91 …hush up…fo I bop you wit my Holy Tamborine

lol but seriously….thats not what I’m saying. I agree that Rush has the RIGHT to voice his opinion….just saying its the WAY he did it. Just like folks have the RIGHT to say F*ggot, N*gger. Folks may not agree with what Kirk said..but he too…has the right to say it.
LadeeA

*Grabs my tamborine with mzwhang90210*
Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy!

@Mannie

You can separate a person from their lifestyle and choices easily. I have many friends who love me to death but are VERY pro-life. I’ve made a couple of “pro-choice” decisions. They hate my choices but don’t hate me at all.

Your lifestyle is not your character.
Mannie

@ mzwhang90210
I Run New York

“You can separate a person from their lifestyle and choices easily”- Sassy

Very true. God says hate the sin not the sinner.
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/a19fc5b0a5b0a826c0a201b8ac191b35.png mzwhang90210

lol@ Ladeea…shake it on key heffa!!
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@HERSHEY

I believe there is more to this world beyond human perception and that there are greater powers at work. I don’t believe that these powers are controlled by one being or entity that sits in judgment of us all.

I believe that God and the Bible are man made concepts originally created to explain the unexplainable. Now they are used to keep us divided and keep those in power in power.
lexdiamonz

ryand91 says:

Although, I don’t agree with what Kirk said. I agree with his right to say it. I don’t know what the gay mafia feels like they can silence any and everybody that exercises their first admendment right. They just need to go somewhere.

I may not agree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it… that is his belief.. so I am wrong to say he is wrong for saying it … do i agree… i think we have gone way overboard with the gay people going to hell it is in the bible …. that idea is a moot point if the person is an atheist no???
Mannie

Sassy! Muthaf**king, Sassy! says:
@Mannie

You can separate a person from their lifestyle and choices easily. I have many friends who love me to death but are VERY pro-life. I’ve made a couple of “pro-choice” decisions. They hate my choices but don’t hate me at all.

Your lifestyle is not your character.
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I disagree…The decisions that a person makes shows what kind of person they are…if i dont agree with certain things people in my life do i usually choose to love them from a distance…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Mannie says:

I Run New York says:

“And for all of these internet Christians please quote the bible next time you are having pre marital sex or getting drunk or any other sin…”

Gay sex isn’t a sin it’s an abomination. Please brush up on your scripture sister.
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Thats a 2 way street IrunNY…The bible calls all sins abominations…there is no sin that is a greater sin…A sin is a sin is a sin…So regardless of how you try and say it…all sins that we all commit are an afront to God…unless you are a buddist who from what i understand do judge based on sexuallity…

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ummm!!!! when you blaspheme against the holy spirt their is no forgivness in this world nor the world to come
Mannie

I Run New York says:

“You can separate a person from their lifestyle and choices easily”- Sassy

Very true. God says hate the sin not the sinner.
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Okay now i have to agree… Thats true…
ryand91

@mzwhang, LOL. I understand what you’re saying
Jamillah

What he should have said is that homosexuality is “unnatural” to him. It is not unnatural to those who engage in it. He has a right to his opinion and doesn’t have to say what people want to hear in order to appease them. Not everyone is jumping on the homosexual bandwagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

Oh everyone’s still in here?

mmmkay, so my question still stands…I have my own opinions about gay sex/marriage etc. (but that’s not what I’m discussing)…

My question is what is a gay person (who does not find the opposite sex attractive) do to fulfill themselves in a relationship? Sex is ALSO expressing love for the person you are with…does this person:

a. become a priest or minister and try to ignore their feelings
b. kill themselves
c. be themselves and be happy

#again, serious question
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Never stregthen the hand of the evildoer #helpful
LadeeA

@Mannie- true, but it gets deeper and I have to close my sermon for the day and get back to work

I’m a go get on the piano, while mzwhang90210 plays the tamborine.
vero

Morning Fam
Mannie

ummm!!!! when you blaspheme against the holy spirt their is no forgivness in this world nor the world to come
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Meaning what? There are plenty of people who have said they do not believe in god but have changed later in life so if what you are saying is true then they are damned regaurless of genuine repentance…

That is so not true…according to my understanding of the bible as long as you have truely accepted god into your heart and begged for forgiveness of your sins then god who is the embodiment of forgiveness will grant you place in paradise…

***Steps down off pulpit***
£ the commenter formally known as Hershey

YSoSrs says:

@HERSHEY

I believe there is more to this world beyond human perception and that there are greater powers at work. I don’t believe that these powers are controlled by one being or entity that sits in judgment of us all.

I believe that God and the Bible are man made concepts originally created to explain the unexplainable. Now they are used to keep us divided and keep those in power in power.

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Ok, I believe in God and the greater power IMO is the Holy Spirit, but to each her own…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

FeFe says:

Oh everyone’s still in here?

mmmkay, so my question still stands…I have my own opinions about gay sex/marriage etc. (but that’s not what I’m discussing)…

My question is what is a gay person (who does not find the opposite sex attractive) do to fulfill themselves in a relationship? Sex is ALSO expressing love for the person you are with…does this person:

a. become a priest or minister and try to ignore their feelings
b. kill themselves
c. be themselves and be happy

#again, serious question

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TO only the bible believers those are confused spirits and you must cast them down, like any other thing like lust and porn #helpful Again only to those who believe in the BIBLE
ryand91

@Lex, I’m not saying anything is wrong with what Kirk said. But my issue with GLAAD is that when anybody saye anything that doesn’t mesh with their beliefs they go on this all out of warfare to end or tarnish their career. Everybody isn’t going to accept homosexuality even if it’s not from a religion standpoint. But GLAAD has this my way or the highway school of thought. GLAAD members want their rights and beliefs to be respected so they need to do the same in return.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

@vero, Mannie and Creamy
lexdiamonz

KayCeiSoul says:

thus if two gay people want to express love, how else is there to do it? #seriousquestion

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Unlimited cocktails, prime rib, lobster, some nice smooth jazz, and a massage. Works for me.

But then…that always leads back to the sex part doesn’t it?

Oh well. I tried Sis.

Hey Boo!

at the surf and turf…. LOL

OMG i have a gay friend whom i LOVE dearly and this SINGLE MOTHER tried to tell him his lifestylewas WRONG ummm correct me if i am wrong isn’t having sex out of wedlock wrong in the Bible as well… WTH…. *confused* i started to SNATCH her lopsided lacefront off SURELY an ill-fitting weave is an abomonation also .. WTH…. *confused* to each it’s own what goes on between two consenting adults is THEIR business and on the Rush thing he is a PUNK did he have the right to say it of course… hell he been talking about Michelle O from day one funny how no sponsors pulled out until he insulted a white woman….how you talk all that mess and then APOLOGIZE!!!! GTFOHWTBS!!!!!! bill maher STILL aint apologize for calling palin a C*nt… LOL .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwik0Lon-g&ob=av2e FeFe

@Creamy

Ok…..

No offense but if it was THAT easy and simple then every last one of us would be “fixed”

We are humans and have sexual feelings because we are sexual beings placed here to keep life going…

Disclaimer: ^^^that statement above has no reflection in my personal feelings, this is all for discussion purposes…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Mannie says:

ummm!!!! when you blaspheme against the holy spirt their is no forgivness in this world nor the world to come
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Meaning what? There are plenty of people who have said they do not believe in god but have changed later in life so if what you are saying is true then they are damned regaurless of genuine repentance…

That is so not true…according to my understanding of the bible as long as you have truely accepted god into your heart and begged for forgiveness of your sins then god who is the embodiment of forgiveness will grant you place in paradise…

***Steps down off pulpit***

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not against the holyghost but you must first understand what it is to blaspheme against the holy ghost, I am not wrong just say you dont quite understand it. because you could be saying GOD is a lie be careful and that is with love
LadeeA

@Mannie- What Brownskin said is TRUE! Jesus said in Matthew. That is the ONE unforgiven sin and it is no joke.
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

FeFe says:

@Creamy

Ok…..

No offense but if it was THAT easy and simple then every last one of us would be “fixed”

We are humans and have sexual feelings because we are sexual beings placed here to keep life going…

Disclaimer: ^^^that statement above has no reflection in my personal feelings, this is all for discussion purposes…

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that is exactly right, lust meaning after any other that your spouse, u gonna desire your mate that is nature, but when we start going outside our marriages then that would be to cast those spirits down.
lexdiamonz

ryand91 says:

@Lex, I’m not saying anything is wrong with what Kirk said. But my issue with GLAAD is that when anybody saye anything that doesn’t mesh with their beliefs they go on this all out of warfare to end or tarnish their career. Everybody isn’t going to accept homosexuality even if it’s not from a religion standpoint. But GLAAD has this my way or the highway school of thought. GLAAD members want their rights and beliefs to be respected so they need to do the same in return.

don’t get me wrong i AGREE with everything you said but GLAAD needs to quit… freedom of speech if that is HIS belief he is entitled to his personal opinion NEW WORLD ORDER we telling folks how to think now……. I am black I remember when BLACK SKIN was supposed to be an abomonation… SMH
ryand91

I feel open marriages are an abomination of God’s word. Am I wrong? Although the marriage is between a man and a woman, they are still allowing others into their maritial bed.
Mannie

ryand91 says:

@Lex, I’m not saying anything is wrong with what Kirk said. But my issue with GLAAD is that when anybody saye anything that doesn’t mesh with their beliefs they go on this all out of warfare to end or tarnish their career. Everybody isn’t going to accept homosexuality even if it’s not from a religion standpoint. But GLAAD has this my way or the highway school of thought. GLAAD members want their rights and beliefs to be respected so they need to do the same in return.
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White people say that about the NAACP all the time…when we scream racist they scream **behind closed doors** stop being so sensitive…

If a white person where to say that blacks are the lesser race according to god…(they said this for YEARS and used it as justification for slavery)then we would be up in arms ready to kill someone… But after years of fighting they aren’t quite as blunt i think GLAAD can be a little ham fisted but they are taking there que form the black civil rights struggle…and voiceing there concerns…
MrUnapologetic

I, personally, don’t think Kirk is being “brave” but more typical if anything. Yes, he’s entitled to his opinion as well as we all are. He hasn’t said anything new or though-provoking. Am I suppose to be impressed because he’s not afraid of backlash? Is he the new Christian martyr? And why straight people choose to get all bent out of shape about gay marriage is beyond me. If it was such a precious institution then why are you destroying it? Why has the divorce rate exceeded 50%? The gays had nothing to do with that. Gays are not responsible for destroying the family in any fashion or form, but to go there would require me to digrees; I won’t do it. Kirk is clueless – plain and simple.
Jessie

He was not rude nor was he arrogant about it. He stated his opinion and I respect (and agree with) his opinion. Every body that doesn’t support gay marriage is not a homophobe.
I Run New York

“ummm!!!! when you blaspheme against the holy spirt their is no forgivness in this world nor the world to come”

Exactly. Depart from me I never knew you.

“That is so not true…according to my understanding of the bible …”

According to your understanding? We’re discussing what the bible actually says and not what you’ve made up in your head. Your statement that all sins are an abomination is a lie that you cannot back up with any scripture. You have to be careful about making up lies about the bible.
LadeeA

@ryand91- You are not wrong.

Hebrews 13:4- Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Mannie

not against the holyghost but you must first understand what it is to blaspheme against the holy ghost, I am not wrong just say you dont quite understand it. because you could be saying GOD is a lie be careful and that is with love
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Okay not even joking please explain to this sometimes christian what it is to blaspheme…#realrequest
I Run New York

@ Mannie Wow did you seriously just compare the gay mafia to the NAACP SMH. You seriously need to pick up a history book. This is shameful. Learn your history son. The NAACP was not a bunch of goons bullying anyone who had different opinion on marriage. They fought for civil rights and they did so in a honorable way.
Mannie

I Run New York says:

“ummm!!!! when you blaspheme against the holy spirt their is no forgivness in this world nor the world to come”

Exactly. Depart from me I never knew you.

“That is so not true…according to my understanding of the bible …”

According to your understanding? We’re discussing what the bible actually says and not what you’ve made up in your head. Your statement that all sins are an abomination is a lie that you cannot back up with any scripture. You have to be careful about making up lies about the bible.
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Keep it respectful your interpretation of the bible is no more valid than mine…And that is exactly what we are doing taking the bible and interpreting what was left for us…
ryand91

@Mannie, I don’t have anything against GLAAD as an equality organization. Because discrimation against gays does happen. However, I do not agree with all their methods nor do I feel their struggle is at all related to or similar to the civil rights struggle. And yes at times I feel the NAACP is too sensitive and it has taken away from the credibility of the organization.
Mannie

I Run New York says:

@ Mannie Wow did you seriously just compare the gay mafia to the NAACP SMH. You seriously need to pick up a history book. This is shameful. Learn your history son. The NAACP was not a bunch of goons bullying anyone who had different opinion on marriage. They fought for civil rights and they did so in a honorable way.
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Again keep it respectful because my POV is just that my POV that is how i see it…a gay persons struggle is still a struggle and should not be trivialized by anyone…
renegadesince1985

Whether you agree or disagree, Kirk has his opinion…he didn’t state it in a disrespectful way. I don’t have anything against gays, what you do in your bedroom is your business…but i’m not going to crucify people who believe otherwise either. As long as they’re not inciting violence against gays or defaming them, then what’s the big deal??? Some people need to get over themselves….
Mannie

ryand91 says:

@Mannie, I don’t have anything against GLAAD as an equality organization. Because discrimation against gays does happen. However, I do not agree with all their methods nor do I feel their struggle is at all related to or similar to the civil rights struggle. And yes at times I feel the NAACP is too sensitive and it has taken away from the credibility of the organization.
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Real question…What methids do you not a gree with… because to be honest i respect there gangsta…they call bs when they see it…and they throw there weight (read: Money) around to get results…I respect that they know how to get reults…
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

Just how big is Hell anyway? Does somebody have a scripture on that? Cause I doubt there will be enough room for all of us. I think I’ll take my chances. Maybe I’ll be bumped up to Heaven due to overcrowding.
Mannie

renegadesince1985 says:

Whether you agree or disagree, Kirk has his opinion…he didn’t state it in a disrespectful way. I don’t have anything against gays, what you do in your bedroom is your business…but i’m not going to crucify people who believe otherwise either. As long as they’re not inciting violence against gays or defaming them, then what’s the big deal??? Some people need to get over themselves….
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I like the way you put that…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Mannie says:

not against the holyghost but you must first understand what it is to blaspheme against the holy ghost, I am not wrong just say you dont quite understand it. because you could be saying GOD is a lie be careful and that is with love
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Okay not even joking please explain to this sometimes christian what it is to blaspheme…#realrequest

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Saying that their is no GOD for a start, or saying things that you wold say to your brother like well you know. do you even know why u call yourself a christian? real question Cause YAH never referred to u as that
lexdiamonz

for kirk cameron and GLADD if we seperate church and state why do so many state not allow gay marriage??? because the definition of marriage IS from the Bible no??? we can’t have it both ways…. and if you have more than one baby daddy/momma are u a whoremonger?? seriously asking… I find this whole bible debate a bit odd because how can we “forgive” people for sins and not judge people and yet condemn them for their sexuality… oh well off to the new post … this is one debate that will NEVER be solved on SRose….
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@MANNIE

GLAAD does takes it too far sometimes. If EVERYTHING is an issues then NOTHING is an issue. Boy who cried wolf and all that.
lexdiamonz

renegadesince1985 says:

Whether you agree or disagree, Kirk has his opinion…he didn’t state it in a disrespectful way. I don’t have anything against gays, what you do in your bedroom is your business…but i’m not going to crucify people who believe otherwise either. As long as they’re not inciting violence against gays or defaming them, then what’s the big deal??? Some people need to get over themselves
LadeeA

@Mannie- That topic is very deep and not completely understood even by bible scholars. My understanding after I read it, had to do with when Jesus was casting out devils and the Pharisees said that he was doing it not by the power of God. And that’s when Jesus said Satan cannot cast out Satan. ONLY THE POWER OF GOD CAN DO THAT. A kingdom divided cannot stand. Basically he was saying that Satan would never cast out something of himself and by not believing that it is the power of God casting Satan out of people is blasphemous, therefore blaspheming the Holy Ghost. IT IS UNFORGIVEN point blank.
RIP: Pillow-pet (9/11 – 01/12)

I keep getting this creeping feeling that pretty soon everybody who is not will have to start pretending that they are gay.

Gays are like everyone else in that they can be quite vicious when they don’t get their way or think they are overlooked in getting some precious shine.

I still don’t like that the gay rights issue in the the hands of some major white hags who aren’t very welcoming to other races of people who are gay—-especially black ones. They seem to have some special prejudice reserved for black people in particular. Could be that old thing about the white man’s ice being colder.
lexdiamonz

@ mannie if the NAACP had half the “pull” GLAAD had … we would have no problems….
Mannie

brownskin A.K.A Creamy says:

Mannie says:

not against the holyghost but you must first understand what it is to blaspheme against the holy ghost, I am not wrong just say you dont quite understand it. because you could be saying GOD is a lie be careful and that is with love
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Okay not even joking please explain to this sometimes christian what it is to blaspheme…#realrequest

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Saying that their is no GOD for a start, or saying things that you wold say to your brother like well you know. do you even know why u call yourself a christian? real question Cause YAH never referred to u as that
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I call my self a sometimes christian because i have studied the bible and was raised to believe that there is a god…however the sometimes part comes in because i know i dont follow the road of a full time christian i stumble more often than not…however the christian title comes back into play because i have my own personal relationship with god and i talk to him about me and mine…(not as often as i should but this isn’t confession) So for me that is why i say sometimes christian…
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Jessie says:

Every body that doesn’t support gay marriage is not a homophobe.
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True dat. I don’t support gay marriage, and I’m gay.
lexdiamonz

Sandra Rose says:

Jessie says:

Every body that doesn’t support gay marriage is not a homophobe.
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True dat. I don’t support gay marriage, and I’m gay.

there you go we are all entitled to our own beliefs I SUPPORT gay marriage and I am straight ….

my bad off to the new post for real
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

YSoSrs says:

Just how big is Hell anyway? Does somebody have a scripture on that? Cause I doubt there will be enough room for all of us. I think I’ll take my chances. Maybe I’ll be bumped up to Heaven due to overcrowding
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Proverbs 27:20
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied
RIP: Pillow-pet (9/11 – 01/12)

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Sandra Rose says:

Jessie says:

Every body that doesn’t support gay marriage is not a homophobe.
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True dat. I don’t support gay marriage, and I’m gay.
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Why not, Sandra? You’re a smart and spicey, gal, and I’ve got my eye on you. I ain’t about to start shacking up once I get rid of ol’ boy (whenever that is).
I Run New York

“Keep it respectful your interpretation of the bible is no more valid than mine…”

I’m not interpreting anything. You making up lies about the bible is not to be respected.
ryand91

@Mannie, I do not agree with the fact that when someone suchs as Mr. Cameron voices their opinion which isn’t germane to their beliefs or isn’t PC enough for them they try to destroy their career. Roland Martin said something which I didn’t even feel was homophobic but they cost that man his livelihood. GLAAD just needs to get it through their head that everybody isn’t going to love or accept gay people, point blank period. I know as a black, single mother everybody isn’t going to love and accept me and I’m cool with that. Perfect tolerance and agreement is never going to occur, end of story.
http://i35.tinypic.com/ei1sht.jpg Mother Jefferson

YSoSrs says:
Just how big is Hell anyway? Does somebody have a scripture on that? Cause I doubt there will be enough room for all of us. I think I’ll take my chances. Maybe I’ll be bumped up to Heaven due to overcrowding.
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<<< me getting bumped up to heaven
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

The Bible is one big interpretation when you get right down to it. Everyone sees and believes what they want from it and ignores the rest.

The Bible supported slavery. Should we still be picking cotton for Massa then?
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Mannie says:

White people say that about the NAACP all the time…when we scream racist they scream **behind closed doors** stop being so sensitive…
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Civil rights and gay rights are poles apart. Black people can’t change the color of our skin, but gay people can change who we decide to sleep with. Sex and love are mutually exclusive. One does not require the other to coexist. A man can love a boy without sleeping with him. A woman can love another woman without sleeping with her. The decision to have sex is just that — a decision. A decision requires a choice. Sex is not a mandatory requirement for love.
ryand91

@Sandra, what happened to your purty lawyer friend that you used to post about occasionally? The one who got married, the last I remember you posting is that she was expecting.
Mannie

I Run New York says:

“Keep it respectful your interpretation of the bible is no more valid than mine…”

I’m not interpreting anything. You making up lies about the bible is not to be respected.
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Okay i see this person who is obviously perfect and has an all encompassing understanding of the bible doesn’t seem to get that there is a such thing as discussion… So off to the new post i go… Because according to you any understinding other than the one you know is wrong… SO i guess teaching peolpe who may be miss informed starts with you yelling “NO THATS WRONG STOP SPREADING LIES” :smh: Atleast the other people in here understand that Christianity is to taught and learned and not used as a toll to judge…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Mother Jefferson says:

YSoSrs says:
Just how big is Hell anyway? Does somebody have a scripture on that? Cause I doubt there will be enough room for all of us. I think I’ll take my chances. Maybe I’ll be bumped up to Heaven due to overcrowding.
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<<< me getting bumped up to heaven

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YSOSR did you say bumped chile A mess and to the
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

Sandra Rose says:

Mannie says:

White people say that about the NAACP all the time…when we scream racist they scream **behind closed doors** stop being so sensitive…
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Civil rights and gay rights are poles apart. Black people can’t change the color of our skin, but gay people can change who we decide to sleep with. Sex and love are mutually exclusive. One does not require the other to coexist. A man can love a boy without sleeping with him. A woman can love another woman without sleeping with her. The decision to have sex is just that — a decision. A decision requires a choice. Sex is not a mandatory requirement for love.
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Well said Sandy ellamae ROSE
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

@CREAMY

Well…I guess it’s on to Plan B then.

Seems the game was stacked against us from the jump. You get freedom of choice but almost everything that mortals choose is a sin that sends you to a Hell that will never be full. I choose to ride the bench.
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

YSoSrs says:

The Bible is one big interpretation when you get right down to it. Everyone sees and believes what they want from it and ignores the rest.

The Bible supported slavery. Should we still be picking cotton for Massa then?
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you have to know how to rightly divide the word, and when blessing and curse was put on the people for being hard head, its not that GOOD supported it, but I am going to another topic forreal Cause I love everybody always have and alwways will
http://i35.tinypic.com/ei1sht.jpg Mother Jefferson

Sandra Rose says:

Civil rights and gay rights are poles apart. Black people can’t change the color of our skin, but gay people can change who we decide to sleep with. Sex and love are mutually exclusive. One does not require the other to coexist. A man can love a boy without sleeping with him. A woman can love another woman without sleeping with her. The decision to have sex is just that — a decision. A decision requires a choice. Sex is not a mandatory requirement for love.
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Sandra you are getting into the semantics of “love”. Follow your own advice.
http://youtu.be/hsYI8CPUQsc YSoSrs

The struggle for gay rights and the struggle for civil rights are both valid but not at all equal.
Mannie

Sandra Rose says:

Mannie says:

White people say that about the NAACP all the time…when we scream racist they scream **behind closed doors** stop being so sensitive…
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Civil rights and gay rights are poles apart. Black people can’t change the color of our skin, but gay people can change who we decide to sleep with. Sex and love are mutually exclusive. One does not require the other to coexist. A man can love a boy without sleeping with him. A woman can love another woman without sleeping with her. The decision to have sex is just that — a decision. A decision requires a choice. Sex is not a mandatory requirement for love.
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See here is the thing SR i get what you are saying but i disagree…I have a few gay family members and some gay friends and i have asked them if they could would they change there sexual orientation and most of them have said yes…that they would never choose to be treated diffrently and to be steroetyped so i kind of see it from the angle that its not a choice and sex is a form of expressing love so minus the choice aspect they to me aren’t that diffrent…maybe in level of severity in terms of discrimination but like i said before a struggle is a struggle to the person going through it there is no level of severity only there trials and tribulations…
brownskin A.K.A Creamy

YSoSrs says:

@CREAMY

Well…I guess it’s on to Plan B then.

Seems the game was stacked against us from the jump. You get freedom of choice but almost everything that mortals choose is a sin that sends you to a Hell that will never be full. I choose to ride the bench.

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well this is my last thing, it takes something to live acorrding to the word, and I do mean u will be giving up the world completly. i say that with sincere. but we all here ingage in some form of sin, from the money we spend, to the mixing of fabrics, to the grapes with seeds, to the make up we wear, to the dead bodies in the church. but i will not go into this so see ya in the nexr posr love
I Run New York

“So off to the new post i go”

Good riddance! You shouldn’t make up lies about people’s religion. It’s disgusting. Adios.
Mannie

I Run New York says:

“So off to the new post i go”

Good riddance! You shouldn’t make up lies about people’s religion. It’s disgusting. Adios.
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This is the some type of person who cast the first stone but is next inline for hell…I dont get it but i really dont care…
I Run New York

“Real question…What methids do you not a gree with…”

How about them acting like a bunch of ignorant bullies like what they did to Roland Martin. He tells a joke about a superbowl ad and they get the man fired.
change

It is sanctioned in Exodus 21:7 that I should sell my daughter into slavery how much do you think I would get at todays prices
IJS
MrUnapologetic

Mannie, I say stand your ground on what you know for yourself to be true, Bro. Most of this stuff being expressed back and forth is all conjecture anyway. At the end of the day people are going to think what they want to think about a wide variety of things. Kirk Cameron is being a typical evangelical Christian – no surprises there. I wouldn’t expect anything different from him to be honest. His statement about what’s natural and unnatural is a interesting one because its based on what he’s been taught (no experience whatsoever), but more imporantly CHOOSE to believe. He has no reason to think outside the box when it comes to homosexuality because not his truth, his affliction, his burden, his uniqueness, his gift or however you want to label it. It’s the human condition to judge, condemn and crucify when it’s convenient!
INTENSEMOCHA THE ANTAGONIST

WHERE EVER YOU GO IN THIS WORLD YOU ARE GOING TO COME ACROSS SOMEONE WHO OBJECTS TO THE WAY YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE

GAYS, BLACKS, ETC.

BUT AS LONG AS THEY DON’T STOP YOUR FLOW, WHY BOTHER WASTING THE TIME ARGUING AND TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR OPINION

IT JUST SEEMS THAT FOLKS GO SO HARD ABOUT NOTHING, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE THEY HONESTLY BELIEVE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE HOW THEY CHOOSE, BUT TO SEEK VALDIDATION AND APPROVAL FROM THOSE WHO WILL NEVER RECEIVE OR ACCEPT THEM

BOTTOM LINE-NO AMOUNT OF WORDS TYPED OR EMOTIONS WASTED-WILL CHANGE WHAT OTHERS THINK OF YOU

THE OPEN-MINDEDNESS THAT SOME OF YOU WISH OTHERS HAD, YOU LACK YOURSELF-HE’S ENTITLED TO HIS BELIEFS JUST AS MUCH AS YOUR RIGHT TO BE GAY AND LIVE LIFE AS YOU CHOOSE

THERE ARE CERTAIN FOLKS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR OWN DEMONS, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING GAY-JUST SEEKING OPPOSITION FOR NO REASON

WHEN YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHO YOU ARE, YOU COULD CARE LESS WHAT OTHER’S THINK

DO YOU~
I Run New York

Very well said, Intensemocha.
Lizzyb

His right for sure and my right to say i feel for his gay son who will surely send him over the edge…his face when Piers asked what he would do if one of his sons came to him and said he was guy….priceless and stunned. if he is the good born again man. why does he deny people made by his Lord? What the hell are gays ..aliens? Too many to say they all have a illness. I really dislike when people fall on the bible for SOME of their beliefs and not for others. It’s why some people look at the religious as trifling. Stop being hateful towards others period.
KayCeiSoul

Sandra Rose says:

Mannie says:

White people say that about the NAACP all the time…when we scream racist they scream **behind closed doors** stop being so sensitive…
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Civil rights and gay rights are poles apart. Black people can’t change the color of our skin, but gay people can change who we decide to sleep with. Sex and love are mutually exclusive. One does not require the other to coexist. A man can love a boy without sleeping with him. A woman can love another woman without sleeping with her. The decision to have sex is just that — a decision. A decision requires a choice. Sex is not a mandatory requirement for love.

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And this ^^^ is why I respect you so.

Despite the swirling winds of change and indifference, you stay grounded in reality.

u Auntie.

I love people for who they are, and because it is my desire to be as Christ-like as possible. Of course I have my own personal vices – who doesn’t? If there were a place in Heaven for cussin’ folk, I’d live right in the cul-de-sac. However, I’m not about making something that isn’t right into right, and I’m not about judging people or mistreating people for the choices they make. I love my gay cousin and friends no less than if they were with women. Real talk.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Mannie says:

I have a few gay family members and some gay friends and i have asked them if they could would they change there sexual orientation and most of them have said yes…that they would never choose to be treated diffrently and to be steroetyped…
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I understand what you’re saying. But as a lesbian myself, I can’t ever recall an instance where I was discriminated against based on my sexual preference. At no time has anyone ever denied me my basic rights because I was a lesbian. I have never been discriminated against as a registered nurse nor as a black lesbian blogger. So forgive me if I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Mother Jefferson says:

Sandra you are getting into the semantics of “love”. Follow your own advice.
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Please explain. I thought I made myself clear – that sex does not require love and vice versa.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

Thanks for asking, ryand91. My attorney, Precious Anderson-Scott gave birth to a healthy baby boy! He is her 2nd child with her husband Kashka “KK” Scott. Mommy and baby are doing just fine.
miamore1973

I find it irritating that everyone is supposed to accept Gay rights but Gay rights can’t accept everyone else. Does that make sense??

Personally I dont care one way or the other. I just dont like being told that I have to accept something or I’ll be stoned. Ms. California contestant said she didn’t believe in homosexuality because that’s how she was raised……….that poor child was dogged out so bad for stating her belifs. It made me mad.

Another thing please stop comparing homosexual rights to that of civil rights. I haven’t seen any homosexuals strung up from trees in Hollywood. Have you??
pointhimout

His opinion is respected. I dont belive in marriage all cuz society thinks its what we all should do. I dont.
http://twitter.com/jetsetdeeva DeevaC

So what homosexual sex doesn’t create life…neither does the heterosexual sex between a man and woman who can’t reproduce. I could argue that homosexuals were created to keep the population in check just as low sperm count men and barren women….he is entitled to his opinion but he should remember it’s not very Christian like to judge others.

I’ve be discriminated for being lesbian and for being black. So it does happen.
MrUnapologetic

@INTENSEMOCHA THE ANTAGONIST – I have nothing else to say because you said it all for me. Live and let live!
Lizzyb

miamore1973 says:

I find it irritating that everyone is supposed to accept Gay rights but Gay rights can’t accept everyone else. Does that make sense??
Personally I dont care one way or the other. I just dont like being told that I have to accept something or I’ll be stoned. Ms. California contestant said she didn’t believe in homosexuality because that’s how she was raised……….that poor child was dogged out so bad for stating her belifs. It made me mad.
Another thing please stop comparing homosexual rights to that of civil rights. I haven’t seen any homosexuals strung up from trees in Hollywood. Have you??
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Actually not strung up in Hollywood but beaten to death in Hollywood,other cities, Matthew Shepard, Lawrence King here recently, Brandon Teena..just to name a few. So no trees but for sure murdered based on sexual orientation. if you goggled you would be shocked at how many. I accept gays because they are human beings period. I love gays as some of my best friends are gay. I fight for gay rights because I fight for my own daily as a straight black woman . So standing up for gays is just one more fight for me. I fight for women’s rights, children’s rights and freedom of speech. I don’t think you have to believe and I too don’t like when its forced on me, a belief not my own. But I don’t understand the hatred..
I don’t understand the judgement.