Atlanta pastor Creflo Dollar considers himself a prosperity preacher, but he is nothing more than a money hungry, modern day charlatan.

Creflo Dollar is a con artist who is driven by greed. He runs his church like a cult and he uses the bible to hold his cult members spellbound.

Dollar was among the first of the mega-church preachers to begin demanding W9 forms from his parishioners so he would know exactly how much income they earned — and how much they should be tithing.

Loyal reader Ashland says “This is not of God…”

She writes:

I dont know how authentic this is or if you have seen this, but dude is saying if you don’t tithe to him you will go to hell and how he wished he could shoot those that didn’t tithe right. This is not of God..

have a blessed day.

Edited:

“Prosperity preacher” Creflo Dollar moved his family out of this modest house off Cascade Road in Atlanta…




…into this mansion in Fayetteville, Georgia, thanks to the tithing of his cult followers.

The aerial image above was snapped while the house was still under construction. It now boasts a 3-story foyer, a 6 car garage (2 garages on opposite ends of the house) 2 fountains, a helicopter pad and an Olympic sized swimming pool.

A former friend, who is a member of Creflo’s World Changers Ministries, once told me that his personal bodyguards (who sit in the front row of the pews) carry concealed Uzi machine guns under their jackets. Maybe those were the Uzi’s that Dollar referred to in this video?




  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvB1yY8ViI jaidahn

    is he serious?

  • whatdoesitmatter

    That video is pure foolishness and the people sitting in there listening to him are a bunch of uninformed idiots. These men can’t get rich if these people stop giving them their money.Just stop and get a clue.

  • Dr.GiGi

    WOW! This is one of the reasons I could never get down with the “mega church” may work for some…but not my cup of tea. It really bothered me to see people overextend themselves to tithe…but were on the brink of eviction, could not buy food, or had no lights. So now your three children as suffering. This is insane! I think people also forget that tithing does not only mean putting cash in a plate on Sunday…especially when you honestly don’t have it. Tithes can also be good deeds or acts done for others. While this can be monetarily…it can also be service based. I wish that pastors did not make people feel as though they were damned if they were not able to consistently “fill the plate” We have to be smarter about our financial affairs!

  • Dr.GiGi

    are suffering

  • Anna

    Who goes to a Church that wants your W2 form. I won’t even attend a Church that has a ATM on the property. OK NOW!, are ppl really this stupid? I watch Church on tv, and listen to it in my car. Am I going to HELL because I choose to spend/donate my money on a homeless shelter or a sick kid, or Jerry’s Kids? SMH with clean hair I finally washed only to cut off. :offtopic: Does any one wash their hair before going to the “shop”, or clean your house before the maid gets there? LOL.

  • ELove

    Didn’t watch the video and DON’T plan to EITHER (Real..) but I do have a serious question because I’ve ONLY heard about this individual… I’ve NEVER SEEN or HEARD HIM Personally because I don’t follow him or Mega-Churches in general.

    IS that his REAL LAST NAME… DOLLAR ?!!? I’m just curious (Real…)

  • ajonesy

    i for one applaud creflo. these preachers are obviously skilled con-artists, who need to write a “how to book” OR start some kind of academy.

    i dont condone what these preachers are doing. but i am more upset at stupid, confused and obviously mentally retarded people who can’t think for themselves and blindly continue to support him.

    they need the sip the cyanide laced koolaid, immediately.

  • http://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    ELove says:

    IS that his REAL LAST NAME… DOLLAR ?!!?
    __________________

    it is his real last name as far as we know. But most likely, he had his original name changed to Dollar legally.

  • Anna

    ELove says:

    Didn’t watch the video and DON’T plan to EITHER (Real..) but I do have a serious question because I’ve ONLY heard about this individual… I’ve NEVER SEEN or HEARD HIM Personally because I don’t follow him or Mega-Churches in general.

    IS that his REAL LAST NAME… DOLLAR ?!!? I’m just curious (Real…)
    ~~~~~~~~`
    :waving: at you. Happy Sunday. If you google his name, it pops up. I think his name is made up. Creflo Dollar” What mother would name her son that? I don’t care how much morophine, saddle block meds she had. This man re named himself. If I am wrong to anyone in the room, let me correct myself. My kids have easy names to pronounce, even a cave man can spell them and pronouce them. Side Note. I didn’t want my dad to have a hard time w/ the spelling or saying of my kids name. It makes it difficult with the disbursment of a “Will”. LOL, don’t get mad at me for being lame and somewhat funny. I get it from my daddy. If anyone cares, my dad finally got a “Walker”. If he gets tired he can flip a built in seat and sit his butt down. He does have a motorized chair, I think it moved to fast and he got tickets for running over ppl in his retirement building. I really don’t know why I am in a good mood and being the silly daugher of my father. We are both “Cancers” and the Sun is shining. Enough said.

  • KrayZKat

    I couldn’t even finish listening to this nonsense.

    This is proof-positive that people need to know the Bible for themselves. If people quit being sheeple, they’d know that giving is supposed to be done with a willing heart, and not done under duress. It’s not how much you give, but the motive for the giving. God looks at the heart.

    Ignorance is truly NOT bliss. God will deal with charletons like this, and I don’t want to be anywhere near them when it all goes down.

  • http://charactercorner.blogspot.com attorneymom

    Blank stare.

  • TruGemini

    Asking for income information? Seriously? :shocked:

    I’m just disappointed all around. I’ve always enjoyed the way in which he and Eddie Long delivered the message. Sure there is always something that will be said for how genuine either of them are / were…I’m just sad that they’ve proven (allegedly) what people have always said to be true.

  • TruGemini

    ELove says:

    IS that his REAL LAST NAME… DOLLAR ?!!? I’m just curious (Real…)
    _____________________________________________________________

    He was on Steve Harvey’s( :rolleyes: another nicca that’s full of sh’t) morning show and insisted that Dollar was his real last name.

  • Jay3088

    And this is the reason why I don’t go to churches surrounded by money.

  • ontaya brooks

    his last name says it all, it tells you what he is about, and his wife is down with it too, they have cd’s, dvd’s, he even has a church in New York that is headed toward Mega Status and he is hardly there. He and Bishop Eddie Long run Atlanta.

  • gadgetgirl

    yeah we got one of those here in cleveland. rev r.a. vernon. he’s a prosperity preacher also. he’s living the good life. his daughter was even on an episode of my super sweet 16, showing off all of her designer bags. it’s only a matter of time before people wake up.

  • vipatlstyle

    Man oh well. If they want to give him money don’t hate. All I want is my school loans paid for. Anyway, Dollar and Pastor Long Strokes should combined their names to Long Strokes and Dollars.

    JMO

    Interested in paying my school loans back?
    Email me at vipatlstyle@aol.com

    SERIOUS!

  • M_promp2

    @ gadgetgirl, I’m from Cleveland also. I know the story OOOOh so well. I have no respect for that God forsaken cult.

    I’d like to know how these pastors justify their wealth. This mess is a disgrace.

  • LuvMySailor

    I do not have a problem with tithing or giving offering to the church. Jesus came that we may have an abumdant life. The Lord delights in his children’s success…BUT…you still have to live a righteough life in accordance to the Bible.

    These preachers want to use the Lord as an ATM and forget He his HOLY HOLY HOLY.

  • mzvirgo78

    From what I remember him saying in an interview, that is his real last name. He talked about when the Lord came to him at a very difficult time in his life as told him that he should become a Minister. He said that he was skeptical because what would people think of a minister with the last name “Dollar”. So from that, I’m pretty sure that is his REAL last name …he just transformed in the personality to fit it.

  • ysoserious

    He can say what he wants but I don’t believe him. Creflo Dollar is pimp a name if I’ve ever heard one. :coffee:

  • Audacious2

    He’s just carrying out Rev. Ike’s legacy right along with that other strange looking Bishop from NYC that Rev. Run DMC was down with, cant remember his name. Only difference, he’s not mailing out some kind of fabric remanent in the mail. Also, that other screaming TV false prophet, Kerney Thomas, and that nappy head wig wearing Peter Poppoff all preach of prosperity too.
    Creflo Crook was suspected of hiding monies for Evander Holyfield during his last divorce, right?

  • http://www.ashland86.com TheRealAshland

    The sad part is, his congregation believes everything he says. A former co worker, whom hadn’t bought herself a new car in 7 years , since she moved down here from I think Chicago, or any sort of small luxuries. But she manages to tithe (be pimped) by Mr.Dollar ever week and tithe him I think it’s 10% and that little money ads up, and this poor lady is still waiting on her blessing to come. She’s an older lady too, like 50’s or whatever. But, what’s really sad is you cannot buy those things. And Creflo is a fraud for even trying to sell it. SHAME ON HIM…

    Oh yeah.. I feel famous now. HA!

  • http://twitter.com/Proberson07 proberson07

    whatever! he is an anointed man of God! During the time that I began attending his church I can honestly say that I became a better Christian a better man. Though I do not always agree with all of his statements and or his messages I can say that you are taking his words and his statements out of context. While going to school I lived in Atlanta and attended his a church for four years and in all that time he NEVER asked for W9 forms. Ashland statement is not only a bold faced lie – but she is a bold faced liar!

  • Audacious2

    If Creflo is gonna ‘Pulpit Pimp’, he could at least put on a good show like The Rev. Leroy Thompson! 😀
    Remember him? just go to YouTube for the Best of Leroy Thompson.

  • pointhimout

    Sandra, you know ur crazy, right? hilarious. I know ur being sarcastic. There’s nothing modest about that first house either, once priced at a selling price of $3M. The house continues to sit on the market after years of price slashes and what not. That house has an indoor pool. not a lap pool, but a huge indoor pool and I believe 7 or 8 bedrooms. No modesty there.

    When I saw creflo, I was expecting a story about him and sleeping with the women in the church. That dude bustin them women wide open. And Taffy knows it.

  • peanutbuttercup

    Selling Jesus. Hmmm, whodda thunk?

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    LuvMySailor says:

    I do not have a problem with tithing or giving offering to the church. Jesus came that we may have an abumdant life. The Lord delights in his children’s success…BUT…you still have to live a righteough life in accordance to the Bible.
    These preachers want to use the Lord as an ATM and forget He his HOLY HOLY HOLY.
    *************************************************************

    :cosign: I don’t mind tithing either because I know what I’m tithing for. Most of those people probably don’t even know why they’re giving there 10%. That’s why I say read your Bibles and it will tell you. All these mega churches are fine by me but you will never see me attending one because I won’t be led astray. I’ll stay with my 50 member church because I know my pastor is preaching the word and if you don’t believe him, the first thing he says is go to you Bible and read it for yourself.

  • http://www.ashland86.com TheRealAshland

    @proberson07 who the fluck are you? And how am I a liar? How LONG ago did you attend his church?….. *waits*

    Some people are saying that he said this as a joke, and it is taken out of content. I don’t think so. I think he is very serious , he takes his preaching *pimping* very serious, and he wants his members to get right.

  • Daisy

    I am a tither (have been since I was 16) the word speaks on it so one can read for themselves and do what they feel they are so lead to do. I believe you can tithe with your time and talents but I dont mind giving my money as well because it takes money to help the community and keep the lights/heat on in a church. Now if you go to a church where your community isnt being served then you may want to ask where is the money going. My Pastor has a set salary and she makes money from a few books she has written and from conf. she speaks/preaches at that being said she lives in a modest house and drives a benez (not sure which kind or yr) that doesnt bother me at all cause she can spend her money how she likes. Once I pay my tithes I do not worry about anything else because I am honoring God. There have been times where I didnt pay my tithes and gave the money to a friend or person in need. I feel everybody should do what they have been lead to do and stop worrying about the next man. While I am not a fan per se of mega churches I do not knock them or those who attend because that is what they are choosing to do. Not everybody who attends church/mega churches are brain washed or cant think for themselves.

    @proberson I agree with you about the W2/9 forms I believe that is an urban myth/legend. I have friends who attend New Birth and Creflos church and they have never been asked for their fin. records.

    SN Soledad is doing a Black In America special on the black church this month and debt (2 separate eps).

  • jay Bee

    WOW… Im a true believer of the word of God and a born again Christian.. I thank God for my wisdom and discerning spirit to WRECKONize… but WOW! you really have to have a personal relationship with God and ask for understanding and the correct interpretations when reading his word…

    We are living in the last days, where he mention that many will be EXPOSED before he come back.. These pastors (BEL) & $$$$$ just WOW. what a cross to carry! its time to REPENT and stop misleading. although to was a snippet of his sermon and i know a lot of things were left out but its is so scary with these pastors having so much wealth and the congregation (majority) living in poverty..
    People get toknow JESUS and please do not allow these pastors who are falling short to determine your relationship with GOD! Amen? amen

  • jay Bee

    And also giving his from the heart… theres a story in the bible..i forgot wat book, where a women only had a penny to give while others were given plenty, GOD knew her heart and she received more blessings than the others…amen!! i hope these pastors stop messing up my Gods word and understanding…sheeesh

  • Ebony

    This shyt is getting out of hand :coffee:

  • http://twitter.com/mrs_truth ms.truth

    Malachi 3:8-10
    Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, ‘How have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings. “You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this,” says the LORD of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows?”

    Yes, the whole tithes = 10%

    Of course people looking in from the outside don’t understand…if members of a church don’t tithe, how will the church doors stay open?? How will the lights stay on? How will the water stay running?

    Yes, Creflo Dollar’s lifestyle sends the wrong message. This is why people need to be under a pastor who teaches the word, not a prosperity preacher. My Pastor does NOT receive a salary and if you request, she will show you where all of the money in the church went too. Tithing is mandated by God. Some of you need to re-read your Bibles. Tithes should be taken from the TOP, so you shouldn’t even be in a situation of deciding to pay your tithes or pay your rent. And if it comes down to that, as a Christian, do you not have true faith?? I’m a living witness that if you pay your tithes, God will take care of the rest.

    And Sandra…I guess you thought this was a good Sunday post???

    #thatisall…back into my weekly lurk mode.

    2 Corinthians 9:7
    So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

  • ysoserious

    SCRAM!! :coffee:

  • ELove

    Ahhh Ms. Sandra you SAID…
    A former friend, who is a member of Creflo’s World Changers Ministries, once told me that his personal bodyguards (who sit in the front row of the pews) carry concealed Uzi machine guns under their jackets.

    A Minister/Preacher who isn’t nearly as Important or Significant as Malcom-X or MLK should NEED bodyguards (Real…) Me THINKS somebody must not be living right but More Importantly DOING RIGHT !!! :nono:

    Ms. Sandra @Anna @TruGemini THANKS for clearing that up for me… :yes:

  • ELove

    And that is —> shouldn’t NEED bodyguards

  • ysoserious

    All organized religions, at their core, are designed to keep the rich and powerful rich and in power.

    People that believe in a God might be much better off without “The Church” or it’s “leaders”.

  • pointhimout

    Well Daisy, it’s not often we agree, but I do this time. “I believe you can tithe with your time and talents.” I’ve always said talents, charity, etc can be a way of giving also. Why is it always about money?

    I have a question though? Who do the pastors tithe to? How do we know they’re tithing?

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    Daisy and Ms. Truth ya’ll better preach!!!!! :cosign: 100% There have been times that I did not tithe and wanted to keep all my money and I looked around and all my money was gone. God doesn’t play, when it comes to his word.

    @Point: You know I’ve thought of that before about pastors tithing. I see my grandpa tithe every Sunday(he’s a pastor). I’ll have to ask him.

  • Daisy

    @jerrica YES when I fall short every blue moon w/my tithing all my money is gone for real!

    @Point my pastor tithes and we can see the churches fin records at any given time and we have a church mtg once a year that shows where every penny is spent. I don’t look at it being all abt the money and I am not one who believs all your blessings are tied to your giving (or that your blessings will come in the form of money) I believe u can be blessed in other ways as well. A church needs money and Dollar makes his money off books/other business ventures NOT just tithes from his mbrs. I am sure he has a set salary.

    The Pastor at the church I visited today asked How much would GOD tip you for your service to him? That really made me think.

    @mstruth my Pastor in college didn’t receive a salary rather love offerings each sun

  • Daisy

    @Point We agree about gay rights and if memory serves me correctly we only had words once :coffee:

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    @Daisy: Yep! We have church meetings at the beginning of the year and the end of the year to see where every penny went and how much it was to keep the lights on, heat on, and all of that.

  • Cariblife

    I cannot get down with a minister named Creflo Dollar, that’s just like saying you follow Peaches n ’em crew instead of God. This Tom foolery needs to stop. I honestly would rather spend an hour or so reading my bible at home and volunteering once a week somewhere than follow these idiots who claim to “preach” the word and do the exact opposite while laughing in your face and stealing your money.

    After watching a video someone put up where in one sermon he mentions his books like 5 times and tells people to donate, donate, donate I couldn’t take this idiot seriously. Fake, fake, fake. I can’t wait for the closet to bust open and his skeletons to come tumbling out. No pun intended and I really wasn’t trying to bring back up that other person who shall not be named.

  • Cariblife

    P. S.-As my cousin so fondly says the pastors are all pimps and the congregation are all ….. you get my drift.

  • http://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    Jerrica says:

    I don’t mind tithing either because I know what I’m tithing for. Most of those people probably don’t even know why they’re giving there 10%. That’s why I say read your Bibles and it will tell you.
    _________________

    Does the bible say anything about mega churches and pastors who own private jets and helicopter pads behind their palatial mansions that’s bigger than the churches they preach in?

  • http://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    proberson07 says:

    Ashland statement is not only a bold faced lie – but she is a bold faced liar!
    ________________

    Ashland didn’t make that statement about the W9. I did. By the way, did you ever get the chance to meet your pastor face to face in all the 4 years that you attended his church? My former friend said the parishioners are never allowed to approach Creflo before, during or after service (or they will answer to the aforementioned Uzi toting bodyguards). She also said he only breaks bread with you if you have bread — lots of it.

  • ysoserious

    Sandra Rose says:

    My former friend said the parishioners are never allowed to approach Creflo before, during or after service (or they will answer to the aforementioned Uzi toting bodyguards).
    *************************************************************
    Sounds like he doesn’t want his adoring flock to find out that their all knowing, all powerful Wiz is really just Richard Pryor cowering in a corner. :coffee: <–Really Strawberry Nehi

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    Sandra Rose say:
    Does the bible say anything about mega churches and pastors who own private jets and helicopter pads behind their palatial mansions that’s bigger than the churches they preach in?
    ***************************************************************
    Nope, not that I know of, but that is not my concern. I don’t go to church to please the pastors, I got to church to please God and in the Bible it says to tithe. I do what God says and he blesses me in return, now what they do with that money is between them and God.

  • flsun99

    Sandra, I have a BFF who has attended World Changers since 1997 and she says she has never had to provide financial statements for Creflo Dollar (which is real name). She and I don’t talk about her “pastor” because I just don’t like him that much. I also have another friend who practiced Judaism when she was married to her ex-husband and peep this..they had to provide their W2 forms along with a statement of their monthly expenses. THEY (those at the temple) determined how much my friend would pay for tithes. She & her husband would receive a monthly statement with a due date (like a bill) for their tithes. If they were late, they would receive a phone call AND a late fee. So its not only the black megachurches that require financial information.

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    Also, Auntie I don’t attend a mega-church, so I’m not the one paying for the jets and big houses. My pastor has 2 cars a 2005 suburban and a 2004 ford pick up, that he uses because he still does construction also his wife only has one car which is a 2005 crystler. How do I know? They are my grandparents. We also live in the same house, that my grandpa built before he even became a pastor. My grandpa doesn’t work on a salary based income. He doesn’t preach just to get a check, to him pastoring was his calling and he is well respected all around Oregon.

  • Daisy

    So are u supposed to stop ppl from joining your church? I don’t attend a mega church but churches grow over the years if you are in a metro area. I personally don’t like a real small church or real big church but I don’t knock either.

    why do some people continue to paint with such broad brushes and use the world ALL when trying to make a point? You have NOT met all preachers/pastors or church mbrs to say they are ALL of anything be it good or bad :rolleyes:

    @Jerric your grandfather sounds like a wonderful man of God

    @sandra does this mean the Ray doesn’t get your tithes and offerings 😆 if the mbrs only knew how broke our church is/has been at times

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    Daisy: Yes he is, he gets on my nerve sometimes but he doesn’t play about church or God. Our church has grown over the years to the point that he’s trying to expand. I don’t knock big churches or small churches either, it just ain’t my cup of tea.

    Daisy says:
    why do some people continue to paint with such broad brushes and use the world ALL when trying to make a point? You have NOT met all preachers/pastors or church mbrs to say they are ALL of anything be it good or bad :cosign:

  • Anna

    pointhimout says:
    I have a question though? Who do the pastors tithe to? How do we know they’re tithing?
    ~~~~~~~~~
    Great question. My husband’s Pastor is a woman. They recently moved into a new building. There are Church buses to pick up the “shut ins” or those w/out cars. The whole congregation including the Choir is about 50 ppl. My In-Laws sit in the first row. We do have to tithe to maintain a Church. I give because I know it’s the right thing to do. I don’t do it because I have to, or am forced to. I use to visit many different Churchs. Some Churchs pass the plate around so much I have to keep my purse on my lap. Then you have to go up in a single file line to give again. SMH. I Love my husband’s Church. I still prefer to watch it on TV, and get my Church on listening to the radio. LOL.

  • Caligurlwitswag510

    God says put your trust in no man! If your in God & his word then u can’t ne steered wrong. I just never understood a pastor having a million dollar house or a half million dollar car when the people in the congregation are mostly likely struggling to pay bills & take care of their family.

  • b-boy817

    Jerrica says:
    There have been times that I did not tithe and wanted to keep all my money and I looked around and all my money was gone. God doesn’t play, when it comes to his word.
    _________________________________________________________________________

    lol…that was comical… Did you ever think your money was gone because you SPENT it, not because you didnt tithe????

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKxPtP6XjQ renegadesince1985

    “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. “Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
    -Matthew 19:21-26

    Personally I do not believe that pastors should be living this way. I don’t think a man can wholly serve God with the distraction of wealth. A pastor should be modest. I don’t take anything these people say seriously. Wolves in sheep clothing. These churches seem more like cults than anything else.

    @flsun99

    See the difference between the Jewish tithing and these pastors is that you don’t see the Rabbis in mansions with gold toilets and driving maybachs. Jewish people keep their money in their community. My old coworker is Jewsish, and when she had cancer, her synagogue paid for alot of her medical bills.

  • Jessie

    First let me start by saying that I am not a member of World Changers Ministries. However, I was a member in the past for 14 years. Let me clarify a couple of things:

    (1) In the 14 years I was there, NOT ONE TIME did anyone request my W2 form. That’s a lie born in the pit of hell and has absolutely no truth to it. I have MANY friends at World Changers and NONE of them have ever been asked for a W2. NEVER!!

    (2) Creflo Dollar is not only a minister but he is a best-selling author. He writes books. People buy them. He accept speaking engagements. People pay him. THe man is smart. He knows how to market himself. Don’t hate on him for that.

    (3) His last name is Dollar. He was born with the name Dollar. As a matter of fact, he is a Junior. His late father’s name is Creflo Dollar, Sr. He NEVER changed his name. If you don’t believe me, ask people who went to high school with the brother.

    (4)Ashland, YOU ARE LYING and you should repent. Pastor Dollar has NEVER required anyone to show a W2 form. NEVER! This is a blog and you might not think what you are saying is a big deal, but you are wrong for flat out lying on that Church. I don’t agree with 100% of Pastor Dollar’s teaching either but I do believe he is sincere.

    (5) For all you people who believe that every minister is pimping, GROW UP! For all you who think that because people give their tithes they are “fools”, GROW UP! Are you being pimped by the devil because you don’t give? Are you being pimped because you sit in front of the TV and watch church versus actually going to a church? No. And the members of World Changers are not being pimped either. People give because they want to give. They give because they love God. They give because they know that giving is a blessing. Just like you don’t want to be judged because of your decisions, neither do they. Just like you don’t want to be judged because you DON’T tithe, they don’t want to be judged because they do tithe. Just like you don’t want to be judged because you go to a small or medium sized church, they don’t want to be judged because they are at a large church.

    And to “busthimhout: You spreading rumors that Dollar is messing with women in the church. Where did you get that info? Who told you that? Post the video, email, letter, SOMETHING! Don’t slander another man’s name based on what you “heard” or better yet, what your butt is making up!

    Remember people, KARMA IS A B****!!!

  • Reese

    I don’t believe in organized religion, but I do understand that some people actually need it and find it helpful so I don’t knock it, but I don’t see how any thinking person who has read the bible can follow these so called prosperity preachers.

  • ysoserious

    People certainly are touchy up in here. Or maybe I should say touched. :coffee:

  • Jessie

    And, before anyone asks, let me answer one other question. In the 14 years I was a member of Pastor Dollar’s church, no I never broke bread with him. I didn’t need to. I don’t go to church to establish a relationship with my Pastor, I go to get information to help me live a life that pleases Him (God). I am now a member of a small church. My Pastor is available to talk and chat every Sunday after service but I don’t need that type of relationship with him. In the 2.5 years I’ve been there, only once have we had a brief conversation. If you are the type of person that needs a relationship with your Pastor, then so be it. But, don’t damn the people who don’t need nor desire that.

    Selah!

  • b-boy817

    I tithe when I have the extra money to do so…. I give back in so many other ways. Im sorry, but I refuse to believe that my GOD would rather me be hungry and without lights so I can give to a church where the pastor is driving a bently and flying in private jets, all in HOPES of receiving a blessing. Im sorry, but it just doesnt make sense to me.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKxPtP6XjQ renegadesince1985

    ysoserious says:

    People certainly are touchy up in here. Or maybe I should say touched.

    :rofl:

  • HotTamale

    renegadesince1985 says:

    “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. “Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
    -Matthew 19:21-26

    Personally I do not believe that pastors should be living this way. I don’t think a man can wholly serve God with the distraction of wealth. A pastor should be modest. I don’t take anything these people say seriously. Wolves in sheep clothing. These churches seem more like cults than anything else.

    @flsun99

    See the difference between the Jewish tithing and these pastors is that you don’t see the Rabbis in mansions with gold toilets and driving maybachs. Jewish people keep their money in their community. My old coworker is Jewsish, and when she had cancer, her synagogue paid for alot of her medical bills.

    October 11, 2010 at 9:30 am
    ________________
    :cosign: I find it hard to believe that Prosperity can = humility. I have visited Creflo’s Dollar church before…personally, I did not feel the spirit of God (or anything that resembled God)there.

  • shunda

    I am from Cleveland also and the word church resembles a cult. On another note I don’t know how many times I have had my tv on and Pastor Kerney has scared the living hell out of me with that noise.

  • TruGemini

    pointhimout says:
    I have a question though? Who do the pastors tithe to? How do we know they’re tithing?
    ________________________________________________________________

    In all honesty, I do not believe it is our business to know if / when / how they are tithing. That is between them and God… Just like what / if I give is between me and Him.

  • alove

    I am a member and have been since 1989. This message was taken out of context. I was never asked to give a w2 to the church. His name is Creflo Dollar Jr after his late father Creflo Dollar Sr. Yes,I have spoken with my pastor. Truly,why does it concern ppl about what the members are willingly participating in? Why is he being discussed?
    Ashland’s statement is not only a bold faced lie – but she is a bold faced liar! My pastor is faithful to his wife. Where did this lie come from? I am blessed and my family is attending world changers. The church nor is Pastor Dollar for everybody,but there is any reason to attack the church or the Pastor.

  • alove

    @TruGemini I agree.

  • alove

    @Jessie I totally agree. Also,there is no ATM in the church.

  • http://www.ashland86.com TheRealAshland

    @Jessie once again I never said ant thing about a w9, Sandra did. And repent for what I heard that about creflo and Eddie. Church is about helping and up lifting them. Telling someone if they pay x amount of money is untrue and not right.these mega churches are a business. At my church any and every member is able to talk to the preacher almost anytime of day. Since when do we treat men of the cloth as celebrities?

    My email I sent is quoted. Please read it before putting words in my mouth.please and thank you

  • http://twitter.com/cha_cha_sweet diorsmommy

    shunda says:

    I am from Cleveland also and the word church resembles a cult. On another note I don’t know how many times I have had my tv on and Pastor Kerney has scared the living hell out of me with that noise.
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    I am from Cleveland and I am also a member of the word church. in what ways do you think it resembles a cult? #noshade I just would like to know why you would think that? have you ever attended?? i have been attending for about 2 years now and in no way have i ever thought i was in a cult like setting…..

  • b-boy817

    alove says:
    Ashland’s statement is not only a bold faced lie – but she is a bold faced liar! My pastor is faithful to his wife.
    _________________________________________________________________________

    My pastor is faithful to his wife??? See, thats what bothers me. How in the hell do you know what that man is doing in his personal life. You dont see how stupid you sound defending something that you have no idea about?? Im not saying he did cheat, I dont know him or care to know him, but dont make yourself look stupid defending something that COULD be true.

  • http://mylifeinthesun782.blogspot.com Ms. Everything

    I’m not a supporter of this man by any means however read your bibles because tithing is mandated in the bible and the amount is set (10% of what you have in store and recieve). There’s a reason for tithing and that’s to sustain the church. Do I believe churches should require financial records, no, because that is between each individual and God but I think people who don’t understand or believe use things like tithes and offerings vs what the member actually has vs what the pastor has as a way to tear down churches and Christian beliefs/practices. Not you Ashland but there’s others who don’t believe yet will always be in these posts talking about how they worship from home cause they don’t trust these pastors, the congregation is being robbed and don’t think for themselves and that’s wrong imo. Read the bible and know what you’re speaking on. Everyone is not meant to be rich financially, God’s blessings are not always in the form of money nor should they be. There will always be poor just like there will always be rich but we should be content, praise God and do His will regardless of our financial status and not give because you’re expecting God to rain down riches in return. I could care less what my pastor drives or lives in as long as the business of the church is being taken care of, he’s preaching in accordance of the Bible and is doing what he is supposed to for his position. That’s not our concern (another thing in the bible). All I can say is if you’re a believer, read your bible and if you’re not, read a bible so you can learn something before you start talking on the beliefs of others

    Oh and :cosign: Daisy, Jerrica and a couple other folks

  • shunda

    @diorsmommy. I said resembles for the simple fact that a cult has followers that worship the ground the leader walks on. I cannot believe all members are like that but the ones I have ran into believe Pastor Vernon can do no wrong. When people follow man instead of God it tends to lead to problems. My comment was based on what another person in this post said about Pastor Vernon. I have several friends that attend church there and this is just my observation.

  • http://twitter.com/cha_cha_sweet diorsmommy

    shunda says:

    @diorsmommy. I said resembles for the simple fact that a cult has followers that worship the ground the leader walks on. I cannot believe all members are like that but the ones I have ran into believe Pastor Vernon can do no wrong. When people follow man instead of God it tends to lead to problems. My comment was based on what another person in this post said about Pastor Vernon. I have several friends that attend church there and this is just my observation.
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    I respect your opionion….that’s why i wanted to know what made you feel that way. yes, there are people who Im sure think Pastor Vernon is perfect in their eyes. I like the church though because i like how conveys the word and its easy for me to understand and i like what they do for the community. if you never been though try it out you might like it. i used to go off other peoples opinions about him and the church until i went and saw for myself.

  • http://twitter.com/Jerrica_Lewis Jerrica

    Ms. Everything- :cosign:

  • http://www.ashland86.com TheRealAshland

    My thing really is not about if a person tithes or not. At my church, if you do or if you don’t isn’t a big deal. There are a lot of wealthy white folk at my church that give generously. A lot of the youth take mission trips, my church operates a soup kitchen and does so much for the community and what not. That is what church is all about. And with that my church is very modest, it’s not tiny but it has 2 services to help accommodate members.

    I am probably going to get bashed for this but,I have been to a lot of churches growing up. I grew up in Monica’s step dad’s Methodist church as a kid.I been to Victory, New Birth and a few other I can’t remember. People need to not get so wrapped up in money but the word. There is a reason why I told myself, I would never step foot inside another black baptist church. People are too consumed with the wrong things. Like why is going to church a fashion show. Why is there DRAMA in the church. I know of a small church in griffin, that owns a daycare I worked at when I was a teenager that encouraged there employees to attend. Do you know the preacher would come to the employees and tell them that they need to tithe 10%, I looked at your stub and that was the right amount. So this does go on, whether or not it’s at these mega churches but I am unsure but I wouldn’t doubt it.

    But to all of you that are defending Creflo Dollar Bills go on youtube or google and search “prosperity preaching” that’s what these guys are doing, they where on the 700 hundred club, all of them each day telling people there blessing was waiting for them as soon they called in with your donation.No where in the bible does it teach that. They are twisting things and selling it. they are a business.

    Why do you wonder, why they are always being investigated.

  • shunda

    @diorsmommy you are correct his charity and community work are excellent. I have no problem visiting. I have even been to a Jehovah witness hall before so I am open.

  • West Coast Chick

    Tithes are fine. You just have to find a church where GOD is actually present. A lot of buildings look like churches, but GOD never was there. Then there’s a salesman, in the uniform of a preacher who understands a weak mind and a broken soul, and will take advantage of you. It happens in small, medium and large congregations. It works for those people that aren’t necessarily looking for GOD, but more so of a miracle…. sad but true.. Creflo isnt doing anything that they arent allowing him to do..he doesnt take those uzi’s to thier heads and MAKE them give thier money.. they are doing it for selfish reasons also.. so. whos more wrong???

  • keekee83

    I do not believe that there is anything wrong with tithing. However, for some strange reason I have never really been able to take Creflo Dollar seriously. I think that you can give in many different ways not just through your finances. I am a member of a semi-mega church in the Atlanta area and I have seen my pastor tithe on many different occasions. More than that, I have witnessed my pastor giving monetary gifts and offerings that he received from the church to single mother/father(s) and to familie(s) that have been struggling due to the poor economy. There are alot of pastors out here that are after God’s heart and not your pocket books.

  • Desi

    TheRealAshland:

    I wouldn’t worry about it….Sandra already said she said it but i dont see NOT ONE of them call her out…i think they would like to keep their accounts..you dont have to explain yourself to nobody. WHO ARE THEY?

    I say if he does ask for w2 then you are an idiot for submitting them and if you did go there…why would you tell people that you did submit them…because u dont want to seem like an idiot so shut up. And if he doesn’t then so be it..its not that big of a deal to be on here trippin like we just called your brother a liar and a thief. Chill out cause i know damn well he aint gone take up for you in any situation that looks bad on him. For exapmle: I didnt see obama taking up for his pastor.

    And lastly…i dont read a word of what people say on here that “qoute’ scripture and be the same one on another link gossipin and talkin trash about another commenter. Either you on one side of the fence or the other…stop riding it. Develop your own personal relationship with god…i think he cares more about that then about the money you give.

  • http://www.ashland86.com TheRealAshland

    @Desi , You are so right! You hit the nail on the head!

  • alove

    @b-boy817 I am entitled to my opinion and I gave it. There are not w2’s required and I don’t worship a man. I worship God. I have a relationship with God. I simply am stating that u don’t know this to be true. U say I don’t know what he does and I say neither do you. I can say I tithe in obedience to the Word of God. U r entitled to ur opinion whether I agree or not. I don’t agree because I know it isn’t true.

  • flyqtnva

    dammmmnnn I’m in the wrong line of business! Im bout to start a church! i need a deacon, a choir, and some saints….we can rule the world!! Who down?