By Sandra Rose  | 

Venus and Serena Williams like Sen. Barack Obama but they won't be casting a vote for him come November. During a press conference at Wimbledon last month, Serena Williams told reporters that she's excited for Obama but her religious beliefs won't allow her to vote for him.

Because of John 17:14 and other passages in the Bible. In that verse, Jesus says of his followers: "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world." Jehovah's Witnesses have interpreted that statement as a call to remain neutral in all political matters. (In some of the sect's literature, members are described as "representatives of God's heavenly kingdom"; they are thus obligated to stay out of local political affairs in keeping with the behavior of ambassadors.) Witnesses also refrain from serving in the military, running for public office, and pledging allegiance to the flag. (Source)

Venus, who beat Serena to take the Wimbledon trophy this past weekend, refused to even comment on the issue. It's a good thing their religious beliefs don't prohibit them from playing tennis and making obscene amounts of loot. A large chunk of which goes to the Watchtower Society, the legal arm of the Jehovah's witnesses.

  • http://www.myspace.com/millyly milly

    I dont understand it, but I cant knock them for their religious beliefs

  • MOCHAMOMMY

    My entire family are Jehovah's Witnesses & I understand why they dont do certain things. I think its a biased & judgemental religion however I do agree with some of the beliefs... but thats a conversation for another day.

    About the Williams sisters, I'll listen to them & value their opinion when they start looking like sisters & not brothers... j/k!!! (i dont need to be attacked before I go on vacation lol)

  • Anna

    Milly, happy bday.

    Mocha, have fun on your vacation. The tall Williams sister is scary looking.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thegameoncw Bird

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MISS MILLY!!!!!!

    As for the Williams sisters, to each his own. I don't judge people's religions or their adherence to the rules of their religion. I'm just happy they have a relationship with God regardless of who He is to them. And even if Serena is not voting it's pretty clear she is supportive of him and that's cool too.

  • solodove2008

    I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and half of my family are still members. Although I don't agree 100% with all of their tenants I do agree with some. My thing with the Williams sisters--how can you practice SOME of the tenants--not voting-- but then not hold true to other tenants--dating before marriage, dressing provocatively, etc. I am not saying that everyone in every religion is perfect and follows the tenants exactly (I don't even do that) but my point is if you are going to use religion as a reason why you can't do one thing (vote), how can you justify doing other things against the same religion.

  • mizzdallas

    Happy B-Day Milly!!!! Cancer Baby!

    Aint that some ish. If they so much belive in they religon how come they dont go knocking on doors like Prince. But for real for real! If the Williams sisters come knocking on my door. First ** I would say How U Doin!! Second ** I would snatch Serena man looking ass wig off her head and say Bitch you stole my man....

    What would you'll do if the Williams sister came knocking on your door?

    --------Im already in the corner sipping on a Long Island Tea------- How u doing!!!

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    The only solution to mankinds problems is Jehovah's kingdom!! The one we all pray for when we recite "The Lord Prayer" No one person can unite the entire world.
    These kings and or presidents stand in their relative position because they are allowed to by Jehovah God for the mean time. Daniel 2:44 states "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite"

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    Being raised as a Jehovah's Witness and being a baptized Jehovah's Witness is not the same thing and I dont think they were ever baptized just raised with the morals and principles that are outlined in the Bible that does not mean they adhere to all of them... Its a difference trust me!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/bettathaniwasb4 2bme

    90% of my stepfamily are jehovah's witnesses..so i'm aware of their non-committal beliefs..to each their own..no one religion has it correct anyway..

  • mizzdallas

    @ Snootypooty1

    Preach it girl!

    ***But im still in the corner though**

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @mizzdallas.... Yeah you are in the corner for the rest of the week...LOL

  • brwnsugga4you

    it's a FREE COUNTRY!!!...they can vote for whoever they want to...

  • Anna

    @ brwnsugga4you Says:

    it’s a FREE COUNTRY!!!…they can vote for whoever they want to…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    They can't vote for any candidate. Only root for them.

  • http://www.myspace.com/onepackage j-lo843

    And the point is...

  • solodove2008

    Never said I was baptized-- and trust me I know there is a HUGE difference. I have lived with the differences all of my life. My point is --that seems to be a cop out--if you are going to take a stance on something b/c of your religion--how do you determine which tenants to abide by and which to neglect. It's their choice what they do. I was only commenting.

  • http://www.myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

    now this is something im familiar with now dating before marriage is not a problem you just suppose to date with a view to marriage not date just to date and you cant really say what there motive is when they date. now the dressing you hit it on with that but thats more or less serena more than venus. now the not voting is more of one of the bigger issues far as the religion goes. its more or less u staying neutral in political affairs because if u supporting say george bush and he sends the troops to war and you potentially could be getting some of your brothers and sisters in other countries killed and you in essence blood guilty because you the one that helped elect the official. so if you raised that way its just some things you do like vote and celebrate holidays because you are so accustomed to not doing it and it just kinda becomes part of your life even if you are not a "model" jehovah witness

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @mizzdallas ... How did you know that Prince was one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  • starr

    So whats the story......there are millions of people that won't vote for religious purposes, they are two em....and again....really, whats the story. THey don't have to explain anything to anyone.

  • Anna

    @ 17SnootyPooty1 Says:

    @mizzdallas … How did you know that Prince was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    He has said it. Have you listened to his music in the past decade. No little Nicki, nothing sexual at all.

  • Imalover

    Very well put snootypooty1, I was raised and babtized as a JW, but I left for a while. I'm trying my best to return, because for me it is indeed the truth. We're living in some scary times and as much as I love and respect Obama, it's no time to put hope in any man - the bible plainly tells us at Jerimiah 10:23 "It does not belong to man who is walking to even direct his own step".

    Great article below.

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/200601/article_02.htm

  • http://www.myspace.com/millyly milly

    Thanks yall :)

  • lexdiamonz

    I agree to each his own but i am with solodove how can you adhere to some teachings yet not all and then come out and say it all she had to say is i support Obama and leave it at that but to quote the bible and all that what about all them animal sacrafices they be wearing on their head.

  • solodove2008

    @ eastpointvet: -- Good points. Thanks.

    @ Anna -- Wasn't there an article somewhere on Prince being a JW and going on field service? I thought I read it....

  • solodove2008

    @ lexdiamonz -- "...all them animal sacrafices they be wearing on their head."

    *********
    LMAO.......did you really have to go there?

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @Anna....I knew this already I was interested in how she knew. But thanks for the information. Just because he changed his music style does not make you automatically assume that he is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. My question was not directed to you. Have the most wonderful day!!!!

  • Coo Coo Bananas

    Religious only when convenient.

  • ggouch

    I think this is a case of a person custom applying their religion beliefs. Jehovah Witnesses are an inconsistent group IMO. Based on their beliefs the world is set to end (AGAIN) in 2008, though it was supposed to end in 1914, 1975 and so on. So the fact the William sisters are making money, continue to make money, and probably wont stop making money is one more example IMO of inconsistency, since material possessions are so unnecessary to “THEIR BIGGER PICTURE”…Someone correct me....I thought the decision to vote was based on a personal decision, since there is said to be no clearly written principal that says a Witness can not vote.

  • Imalover

    Prince released a beautiful CD about 5 years ago which only consist of him singing kingdom melondies, my mom gave me a copy a while back. Larry Graham introduced him (Prince) to the organization - "One In a Million" was written as a dedication to Jehovah.

  • brwnsugga4you

    all i know is my uncle is a jehovah witness. i have 8 cousins out of that marriage...he made his wife have all their children at home without any doctor or hospital care. he read a book on deliveries...and that was it. i thought this was the craziest sh*t i have ever heard of...but, that was his belief.

  • tiffanikitti

    @ Snooty

    Say that! See you never know...I guess we are sisters...Dang...Can't hate on you now. See ya at the convention...If you forget your song book, you can share mine :}

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @Imalover.... If you have any questions pls email me at sharonbrown2007@yahoo.com...

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @tiffanikitti ..... Yeah you never know do you??? LOL I already had my district convention... But thanks for allowing me to share your song book!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ggouch.. We don't believe that world is ending this year Nor next year no one know the extact date or hour... Please talk what you know and learn what you don't...

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    How do Jehovah’s Witnesses view voting?

    There are clear principles set out in the Bible that enable servants of God to take a proper view of this matter. However, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself. For example, there is no reason why a board of directors should not take a vote in order to arrive at decisions affecting their corporation. Congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses often make decisions about meeting times and the use of congregation funds by voting with a show of hands.

    What, though, of voting in political elections? Of course, in some democratic lands, as many as 50 percent of the population do not turn out to vote on election day. As for Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections. (Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) In making this personal decision, the Witnesses consider a number of factors.

    First, Jesus Christ said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being “no part of the world,” they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.—John 18:36.

    Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an “ambassador” representing Christ to the people of his day. (Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.

    A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.

    Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.

    Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.—Hebrews 10:35.

    In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator.

    The November 15, 1950, issue of The Watchtower, on pages 445 and 446, said: “Where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote . . . [Witnesses] can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot.”

    What if a Christian woman’s unbelieving husband insists that she present herself to vote? Well, she is subject to her husband, just as Christians are subject to the superior authorities. (Ephesians 5:22; 1 Peter 2:13-17) If she obeys her husband and goes to the polling booth, that is her personal decision. No one should criticize her.—Compare Romans 14:4.

    What of a country where voting is not mandated by law but feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth—perhaps they are exposed to physical danger? Or what if individuals, while not legally obliged to vote, are severely penalized in some way if they do not go to the polling booth? In these and similar situations, a Christian has to make his own decision. “Each one will carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5.

    There may be people who are stumbled when they observe that during an election in their country, some Witnesses of Jehovah go to the polling booth and others do not. They may say, ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are not consistent.’ People should recognize, though, that in matters of individual conscience such as this, each Christian has to make his own decision before Jehovah God.—Romans 14:12.

    Whatever personal decisions Jehovah’s Witnesses make in the face of different situations, they take care to preserve their Christian neutrality and freeness of speech. In all things, they rely on Jehovah God to strengthen them, give them wisdom, and help them avoid compromising their faith in any way. Thus they show confidence in the words of the psalmist: “You are my crag and my stronghold; and for the sake of your name you will lead me and conduct me.”—Psalm 31:3.

    Okay now I am done!!!!! I have nothing else to say about this post!!!!!!!

  • lexdiamonz

    Good info snootypooty very interesting but back to what he (serena) said if she is no part of the world then she can give me that bankroll she took home from wimmy if she no part of the world what she need money for

  • Dizz

    I love how people pick and choose when and how they will be faithful to God. How can you quote a bible verse when you play an organized sport, get out on hte court with your cakes hanging out, and have premarital sex, but on this you want to pull the God card?? Really? I don't really agree with Jehovah's Witnesses but to each thier own, I just get tired of people being faithful on a part time basis....either do it or don't, quit picking and choosing. It's like someone having pre-marital sex, getting pregnant and then saying God says abortion is a sin, he also says pre marital sex is a sin.

    *dead on this one*

  • ggouch

    @Snooty. We don’t believe that world is ending this year Nor next year no one know the extact date or hour… Please talk what you know and learn what you don’t…
    __________________________________________________________

    Snooty, don't be mad ma. I spoke what I read and inquiring about what I don't know. By all means as a Witness please educate me without condescension. I meant no disrespect and was simply stating my opinion. I appreciate the breakdown. Kiss and make up.

  • http://www.myspace.com/msmeka2cute Mz_Magnificent1

    They are entitled to their beliefs and opinions just as much as the next man...however, if I were them I would have kept that information to myself.

    This is a very touchy election...it seems like every Black person is damn near expected to be an Obama supporter, mainly because he is a Black man. If you are around a group of Black people talking about you don't support Obama you WILL damn near be stoned lol...

    Alot of people need to realize not everyone (including some Black people) are going to vote for Obama...personally, I feel not voting for him is a truly IGNORANT move but to each their own.

  • Anna

    This is why you can't talk religion and politics to all. In this room we can talk politics, because we are all on the same team. Bring up religion and ppl lose their minds. Wow snooty hope you are ok. Never saw you get mad before.

  • ggouch

    Snooty, some of your #34 comment MIGHT be a CUT and PASTE from an article on the site http://www.jwfiles.com/vote.htm.

    As a Witness, will you vote? or do you take on the role of ambassador?....Is that too personal to ask? just curious.

  • Fatkat

    It must be a new day and age with Jehovah Witnesses because as a teenager I had a classmate that was one and she could not wear makeup, short skirts etc. So if they are Jehovah Witness why do they wear makeup, weaves, have boyfriends and most of all not wear long skirts and dresses on the tennis court? Just asking.

  • ggouch

    Maybe you don't believe the world is ending Monday, next year or otherwise....but....

    "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Gal. 4:16

    Witnesses have said that Jesus was coming back many times. Even went as far as to naming the years that God would be walk the earth again.

    A former Witness, Peter Mosier once had a web site that did nothing but present short quotes from literature published by the Witnesses. The site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca*, was grouped by subjects such as Dates, Present Truths, Oscillating Truths, and Abandoned Truths.

    As a result of failed prophecies, Mosier abandoned the Jehovah's Witnesses several years ago.

    Thomas Heinze, in his book, Answers to my Jehovah's Witness Friends, details many of the specific prophecies that failed to occur. Starting in the late 1800s, Witness leaders predicted the beginning of the Millennium in 1872 with the "breaking into pieces of the kingdoms of this world and the establishment of the Kingdom of God under the whole heavens." When this failed to occur, they moved the date to 1975 which also passed without fulfillment.

    Christ's second coming was also predicted to occur in 1874. When He did not appear, they claimed that He did come incognito. Leader Charles T. Russell declared, "Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874."

    One of the most bizarre events was the construction of a house in San Diego, California, in 1929, to be occupied by "faithful men of old [who] will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth."

    Heinze points out: "When it became obvious that the prediction would not be fulfilled, the house became an embarrassing monument to a false prophecy. It was sold in 1948!"

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ggouch... Okay hugg and kisses. "Me and you we never part"

    I am so very sorry. I just hate when people down something they dont have any knowledge of... I have never been a baptist so i cant tell you anything about them nor will I google them and then tell you what I found out because too truly know something about someone or there religion you have to be a part of it. There are so many untruths about witnesses and our belief its unreal someone actually told me that we/I dont believe in Jesus and that is totally false.
    Jesus said I am the way the life and the truth.

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ggouch .. I dont read or listen to anything that a apostate says... We dont believe that God will walk the earth he is a spirit how is that possible?

    Before I get banned I am going to walk away very slowly...
    Thats cool if everyone share the same beliefs but just because someone does not they should not be treated any differently. i will agree to disagree.

    And No I dont vote.... Show me one man that has united the entire world and kept the promises that he made before he was in office how many presidents have we had and exactly which one united the entire world and brought about peace, ended hunger, provided jobs for everyone ended and homelessness ?

  • ggouch

    You got it Snooty cutie!!, Mock-kee-dau-da!!

    MOST of us on this post are EDUCATED women so it is ok to venture to the gray areas of debate from time to time...It is healthy, it's fun, it's education in the mist of the grim!! Dialouge is the best way to learn from your fellow (WO)man. I respect you ma.

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    I am not mad sweetie it takes alot for me to get angry... :)

  • kalvonel

    luv ya snootypooty! you said all I could say and better! One of the MAIN points that people miss about Witnesses (I was raised and baptized as a Witness) is that while it may seem to be a list of "clearcut rules" - there isn't. Jehovah's Witnesses live by the Bible principles taught by God's son, Jesus Christ. So to all those that say "I knew a Witness and they did this/that" please take into consideration the fact that personal choice still exists. Many Witnesses don't wear make-up, don't use hospitals, don't watch TV etc., that is their personal choice. I agree that most people in general, of all religions follow the principles they favor, but in my life's experience - Witnesses are the most religiously faithful people you'll ever meet.

  • MAJAHINEVERYWAY

    I know of witnesses who pick and choose what tenants they would adhere to. (I guess some baptists,etc. do the same), but they won't sing happy birthday, but be at the party and drink you under the table. I can buy my cousins a Christmas gift, birthday gift, but give it to them the day before or after. I don't get it, but do you.

  • kalvonel

    correction! there IS a list of things we definitley would NOT do, but it's found in the BIBLE. (Forgot abt 2nd Timothy for a sec) but like Snooty said there are a LOT of untruths about Jehovah's Witnesses. Besides Life itself, knowledge is the greatest gift a man/woman can give you. as I'm sure all can see from the post - We Witness feel very pasionately about our faith and will take EVERY opportunity given to preach! - its out of love though.

  • browni007

    I think that publicly saying how they felt (not voting) could have an influence on others (people who are easily influenced). Celebrities always use others for endorsement and to sway the public.
    And no one man has yet to unite this country, but I guess we will die trying.
    Remember to put God first.

  • http://www.myspace.com/spiceandmusicqueen08 pyt_504

    Oh lawd i am not even about to read these comments! everyone sees religion they way they were taught to see it....... so if they are not voting that just means we need get 2 more who will vote.........

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @kalvonel.... Luv you too sis!!!

  • brwnsugga4you

    wow...there is alot i've learned today in her thanks to snooty. it's good not to just assume..and to know the facts!!!

  • ReadTheBlog

    lol..they don't sound like Witnesses to me - they sound like some militants...lol. Yeah they say those things to save public grace, but them bitchessss gonna be up there voting for him - whatever... Someone should ask Serena if being a Witness has anything to do with the tennis attire she wears? And what's with that 'stink and mean' they got on - THEY SOME AKA, RIGHT? Any Kinda Animal..

  • katgirl33

    Wow! Very passionate statements being made about this subject....at the risk of offending anybody, I won't make any.

    On to the next reading...I been out for several days, my birthday was Saturday...I'm a Cancer Baby too! :)

    Everyone have a great week!

  • shunda

    Wow I learned a lot today. I just have one question are all Jehovah's witnesses required to do field service? I am not trying to be funny at all just curious as to why they come to the house so early in the morning.

  • kalvonel

    ROTF!!! LOL!! umm....Snooty I's a man! I do realize it's mostly women that visit this site, but I thought it best to clear THAT little detail up. lol

  • MOCHAMOMMY

    Yes, shunda... Thats a part of their "telling of the good news"

  • shunda

    Ok so back to my question if they all do the service why do they have to come so early. I am all for discussing religions. Lord knows I grew up in a Batist church, went to a catholic school, and had friends who were buddhist and jewish. I just don't want anybody other than my man and my kids coming to the door when I have on my head scarf looking like Aunt Jemima and my PJ's.

  • shunda

    oops meant Baptist

  • ThatCarmen

    So, you wont involve in politics ... but, you will live, work, play, and fuc* in a country that is built on politics.... earn money that is available based on political laws, use the laws that are created built on politics to live a certain lifestyle..... and you wont vote on who you view will be best at leading the country and overseeing the laws that shape how you are able to live your life in this country??

    Okay. To each his/her own.... but, be consistent before you start hiding behind God just because you choose not to do something.

  • ThatCarmen

    And.... my Jehovah Witness associate here says that they probably pay good money to the legal backings of the Church and so are probably exempt from having to do field work..... -interesting.

  • ThatCarmen

    ^^^^^ and mind you she just told me that with a straight face.

  • ThatCarmen

    And IN MY OPINION; look at the last fool who slipped into office and how our Country has been in a fast mudslide downhill..... no, not one person can bring world peace, but, I dont understand not caring who is best fit to keep our lives somewhat at a good pace.... its confusion to me because there are factual events that have followed political leaders as they are elected into office.... some good and some bad. ... look at the state of our country now...... who we elect in certain political offices has shaped the mess we are in now.... but, somehow, so many are blind to that??? really??? i just dont get it.

  • Lucy

    But ThatCarmen does it really ever change? We can only go by what people tell us while trying to get in office. Once in office it seems to boil down to what they want.

    Just asking

  • http://www.myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

    @thatcarmen there is no such thing as being exempt from doing field service no matter what type of money you contributing and the money goes towards printing of the publications and so forth not to a legal department. if prince does field service and he has more money than the williams sisters combined they cant be exempt. and also there is no 10% tithing like most church they can donate whatever they like. and also like i said before i dont think either of the williams sisters are baptised witnesses i think its more or less they upbringing that has them taking the stance its more or less how they was raised so if you spent all your life doing something u not gonna just turn around and vote just because the candidate is black now. and the political thing for witnesses is on a global scale its countries where its illegal to preach and be a jehovahs witnesses but witnesses there go to the persecution despite what the leaders try to dictate because they believe there faith will lead them and in many lands after years of persecution they lift the bans because they see the unwaivering faith. yeah u might work and live in this land but thats almost like u going to work everyday u may hate the place u work at but u still work because u know bills gotta be paid. most of us was born in this country so we do what we have to do to make a living. jesus said pay ceasars things to ceasar but gods things to god basically meaning u do what u have to according to whoever is leading at the time suggest such as paying taxes but u dont look towards that figure to dictate your life and how u live

  • ggouch

    I love that nica CARMEN!! Carmen, come here, I wanna whisper sumthin in your ear..."I have girl crush on you"....LMAO

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ThatCarmen.... I bet your Jehovah Witness associate is just that to the Witnesses because we heed the command in the Bible that’s found at Matthew 28:19,20 That is why we go out and preach it has nothing to do with how much money you have that command did not say the more money you have then you are exempt from preach the good news about Jehovah's Kingdom we all are required to do so. So your associate or whomever is not being truthful you can’t donate your way out of field service sorry.... Prince even goes door to door and he has money...
    But we still family though I still love you even though that was pretty harsh but its cool... What are you not suppose to go out and work.... When Obama gets in office if he does then we will revisit this topic about change and peace and making the country better...
    Man can only do so much trust that!!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @kalvonel ... I am so sorry that was my bad... LOL

  • ThatCarmen

    Lucy, : )

    You pick the best option for the life you are trying to live... its not always something guaranteed but, like I said, there are FACTUAL events that have occured (good and bad) that follow who we elect in office... Things are not great for the minority races in this country as it is....hell, illegal immigrants are starting to collect social security and SSI for God's sake but, think of it this way....if we NEVER voted...just like if we NEVER fought for the political government that we have and the laws that go with it, we would still be in chains... we would still be unable to vote at all. Maybe I just enjoyed my college history classes a little too much or my very rare Black Government class that was offered but, think of it this way... yes, it changes ... Clinton's years in office drove an economy that allowed us to purchase more homes, equal out more jobs, ect. ... Bush has basically erased most of that momentum.... When the fires occur yearly in California, Bush calls a national crisis and the homes are re-built almost overnight. Katrina and Louisiana....think about it. Think if more of us would have voted to ensure Al Gore into office. Bush has allowed the flood gates to open in pollution and tearing up our wild-life reserves for big industry gain. ...something that Gore now is fighting as a little man. We are paying for a War based on whatever this president feels like claiming to fight it for when he wakes up in the morning and our children are hungry, starving for education. There was a better pick other than him and we chose to sit and wait... and now look, ...the middle class is dying. They would love for us all to hull up in just a few cities, give us just enough to say "thank ya masta" and not bother with voting (as we are beginning to do). Im just saying that rather we like it or not, this country is built on politics and laws that we vote upon...there is more on a ballot that the presidential election. I am Christian....but, I choose not to hide behind any "religion" of Christianity that is backed by a legal stronghold....paying for much more than the biblical education of its followers. (and i am well educated in the facts i speak on religion so, i am not assuming one bit) I do not beleive in any "religion" of Christianity that has popped up in recent times (earth time 19th Century)as a movement in 1931 that all of a sudden took biblical versus and made them into "religious" laws taken out of the real languages context.

    Look, again, its all just my opinion and, I'll admit ...and ignorance to the way people oppose things that they use as a foundation of living (this whole country is one big political foundation)...and how they choose to do one thing that their "religion" has created as a holy law or guide and then turn a blind eye to other things but, always want to cite their religion as an excuse. Growing up, I was exposed to more churches and temples than people can think up and I found one common ground amongst them all, .... the foundation was the same so, I decided to follow the foundation and let the buildings that the people were trying to build over it crumble as they have for centuries.

    Ultimately, my feeling is that if you dont vote or dont care to vote....fine... try living your life for ONE day without utilizing anything in this country that has been voted upon or has been laid out by politics.... The versus in the bible (in the original Hebrew text...not the "i just think it should mean this version" have nothing to do with what we call politics today).... Actually, the closest existance to the political realm of what the Hebrew text called political would be in tribal communities with Kings and Queens and tribal wars that utilize their servant community as slaves.

    Again, be consistant in what you beleive. Whatever brings you closer to God then fine, ...but, He is a bad excuse to use just because you choose not to do something.

    Imma have to agree to disagree with a lot of family :)

  • ThatCarmen

    I dont think Obama is the next coming for Black people at all....Im just saying he is much better choice than McCain who (well, ive expressed my views on him in so many other posts).... I enjoy my right to treat my female body as I see fit and so on.... I wouldnt give a flip if Obama was green, ... He will help balance this country out more then McCain will. I know that I am in a great situation right now because I put Christ first...and I am thankful that I am allowed by HIM an opinion on which human beings are in office to create laws and enforce them while I am here on this earth.

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ThatCarmen... So thats my point one person may do some good and then the next person messes up everything... Man can not bring about a permenant solution to mankinds problems. No matter who you vote for... Too eachs owns...

    :)

  • katgirl33

    SnootyPooty1 Says:

    @ThatCarmen…. I bet your Jehovah Witness associate is just that to the Witnesses
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    Snooty Pooty, how would you know? I thought gambling was against the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses.....I think it's unfortunate that we can't have a conversation without being harsh, or condescending comments made everytime someone makes a statement that not in unison with what another is saying.

    No Offense/disrespect to anyone, but we need to stop cutting each other down all the time....sometimes I don't know what to say about our people...... :(

    Have a nice day.

  • ThatCarmen

    Imagine if not one black person voted in this country. (oh that use to happen...remember how life was then for our people) Or if not one Christian voted. Or if not one woman voted....(we forget that we once could not as women...think the wages amongst men and women are bad now??? it was worse then... our job options were slim and our voice as respected human beings barely existed) Who would be the leading foundation and what rights we would have (or lack there of)

    Just my final thought. But, this was all a very good conversation family.

  • ThatCarmen

    SnootyPooty1 Says:

    @ThatCarmen… So thats my point one person may do some good and then the next person messes up everything… Man can not bring about a permenant solution to mankinds problems. No matter who you vote for… Too eachs owns…

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    I dont want u to think Im ignoring you....

    No permanent solution no....so do we just sit around and look for no solutions at all????

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @@katgirl33.... Those were not my intentions but if you knew something about you and your life that was not true would you sit back and let someone speculate about it or would you speak up... If I offended you then I am truly sorry I am only defending my beliefs just as the others have today. This was a very interesting conversation. I am not mad or upset with anyone. This is entertainment. Being one of Jehovah’s witnesses is a way of life for me. I don’t turn it on or off. There are hypocrites in every religion. We all have God given free will and we all choose to exercise it the way we want too.
    I am never argumentative nor do I tear people down when i comment on here. I am a very positive person. You have definitely misunderstood me.
    Thatcarmen and I are cool she expressed her views and I expressed mine she is still my family.. LOL

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ThatCarmen... NO ma of course not that is not what I am saying... Just dont put your hope in a system that is broken.

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ThatCarmen... Imperfect people can't provide a perfect solution. That is my final thought on this. I have enjoyed it... I Love All of You!!!!

  • ThatCarmen

    Oh Snooty, ... not hope.... its just how things work on this earth. Not perfect....no perfect solution by man. I didnt say that I vow my soul to some political figure... nevermind. People tend to interpret what they want based on their own beleifs.... it is what it is.

  • katgirl33

    @@katgirl33…. Those were not my intentions but if you knew something about you and your life that was not true would you sit back and let someone speculate about it or would you speak up
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    I take nothing on these blogs personally (b/c nobody on here knows about my life), but I read some of your replies to others on here... just came off as condescending to me.

    I just think we can speak to each other without all the harshness and stuff....we all are individuals...we are not going to agree on everything.

    No offense taken, and likewise I hope didn't offend anybody....you are all still my Sandra Rose Sisters and Brothers!

  • http://myspace.com/mullatos SnootyPooty1

    @ThatCarmen ... No I did not say you where saying that was my thought... Sorry for the confusion

  • Sharonda

    They have religious reasons, at least the reason is not I can't vote because he is black.

  • ThatCarmen

    If I offended anyone; I truly am sorry. I feel very strong in the facts that are not hidden to anyone about certain "religions" ... If being a Jehovah Witness brings you spiritual healing then, great. I think everyone should read the facts about how their scriptures for their particular "religions" became to be ...who wrote them and how the publications were/are funded ...including the ***dates*** of original publication and how different versions were changed based on partnerships of a few men disagreeing about simple wording.

    My great-grandmother once told me; before you read anything that man puts in your hands claiming to be the words of God...pray to God that what you read is translated through HIM and not just from the mouth of another human being.

  • mimi08

    SANDRA, WHERE DOES IT SAY THEY CONTRIBUTE LARGE CHUNKS OF MONEY TO THEIR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION?!!WHERE IS THAT QUOTED?

    NOW YOU JUST INTERJECTED THAT YOURSELF; YOU MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING. THEY JUST PROCLAIMED THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AS IT PERTAINS TO POLITICS AND RELIGION...I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THEM GIVING AWAY LARGE CHUNKS OF MONEY TO THEIR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS LEGAL ENTITY. YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL HOW YOU WORD THINGS, AND SLANTING THINGS TO LOOK A DIFFERENT WAY..THAT'S NOT FAIR.

  • mimi08

    FROM WHAT THESE GIRLS BELIEFS ARE, IT APPEARS THAT THEIR HOPE FOR HUMANITY AND SOLVING MAN'S PROBLEMS WILL COME FROM GOD, AND NOT BY A HUMAN, A MAN...THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME BECAUSE MEN HAVE BEEN RULING OVER MEN FOR YEARS, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM AND UNFAIR SYSTEM. AND THROUGH THAT SYSTEM, MAN HAS NOT AGREED ON ANYTHING, AND WE HAVE WARS AFTER WARS, INJUSTICE, MANSLAUGHTER, POOR PEOPLE, AND SO MANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT MAN CANNOT SOLVE. GOD HAS THE ANSWERS TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND HIS JUSTICE WOULD BE EQUAL FOR ALL MANKIND. MAN WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SOLVE MAN'S PROBLEMS, HOW CAN HE WHEN HE'S IMPERFECT. GOD IS PERFECT, HE DON'T MAKE MISTAKES, I'LL TAKE HIS RULING ANYDAY.

  • starr

    Religion is a personal, touchy, passionate topic. I don't judge, you can only do what you do.

  • Too Tight

    I think talking of religion in itself is a touchy subject for some people and they don't know how to go about expressing their feelings without getting heated. I was raised and baptized as a Jehovah Witness and I will tell you that as a religion it has a bad rap because people don't understand nor take the time to understand the religion. All religions have their own quarks about them so to each their own and i applaud Serena for making a stand for her religious beliefs knowing that it could possibly cause some backlash

  • AlwaysSweet

    Wow. I'm not going to comment on this post. I feel my blood pressure already rising. I'm gonna just walk to the corner poppin blood pressure pills in my mouth.

  • Anna

    I see we have alot of JW's in the room. I am not one, but there is nothing wrong with praising your belief, faith or spirituality. My sister is a JW and I have to respect that I can't send her a card for her birthday or buy a gift for my niece and nephew for Christmans. We were JW's when we were little. Our mother was a non batized JW for a few years before she died. We went to The Kingdom Hall and instead of having Ebony or Jet (not sure if we would have had Ebony or Jet. Mom was white) on our coffee table we had Watch Towers. I have noticed that the JW's are so compassinate about being a JW and I believe it is because they always have to defend their belief and spreading the word. Nothing wrong with that. In reading the comments and those who asked questions this was a great post. In Jr High School when you take a foreign lanugauge class you are introduced to Spanish, French, Italian and German. I was watching the news with the kids last week and a college wants to have a religion class that introduces you to different religions. It is not to recruit you but to build a understanding. This is a great idea, especially in America where we have so many different cultures amoung us. It of course should not be a requirment but an option for those willing to learn about the differences in backgrounds with the ppl they work with each day and the ppl who live in our communities. Great discussion we had tody. It is ok to think outside the box and agree we are different but we don't have to beat each other up for our differences.

  • WHAT IS THE WORLD COMIN 2

    Is not tennis a worldly thing???? Worldly people are there too. So if they can participate in that, what's the problem. Come on! people take religion a little to FAR! That's why Jesus said we must take the REAL gospel to the people and not the people to the gospel. GOSH!!

  • pointhimout

    they should never photograph together. i swear they remind me of sean and marlon in white chicks; only, they're darker versions.

  • free

    ^^^^^^^ first thing that came to my mind!!!