Yesterday I read an insightful post on Black Voices forums by a member who highlights the characteristics of the type of boys that black women should avoid at all costs!
Just to be clear, I am not making a sweeping indictment of all black men. Just the ones who are disrespectful and shiftless who call themselves men but don’t have the common sense to pull their pants up in the presence of women and children.
If you want others outside of our community to respect our women, the respect begins at home.
Some women need to understand that it’s okay to be by yourself. If you bring ex-convicts and thugs around your children because you have no self respect or common sense to know better — this post is for you.
by thenewtrolone77 on October 27, 2008 07:16:28 PM
- This is a two-way street that both brothers and sisters have to walk. Sisters should heavily screen these guys they’re dealing with. Too many times black women want that gangsta thug because he’s edgy, presents that challenge, has that swag to them and has what is a false sense of stud confidence. You can’t tell who’s a killa off the top, but there are warning signs that flashes a red light sisters ignore.
How he deals with you – Is his tone of voice belligerent? Is he aggressive-does he talk tough, tries to grab you when you don’t want to be grabbed, raises his voice when you try and calm him down, displays a temper over trivial stuff? Does he try and intimidate you and make you fear him? Does he show jealousy when friends came around or a male friend at that? Does he try to control you-where you go, who you talk to, make you give him money, occupy most of your time? Is he abusive-calling you names, cussing you out over the phone or person over nothing, does he step in your face during an argument, does he get physically violent (that can mean breaking stuff or outright contact in any way)?
How does he relate to you sexually – does always come at you hard, constantly for sex, is he actually intimate? Or, is he overly romantic? Over sweet-talking you, over-complimenting you (as if he’s trying to manipulate you), telling you he loves you after an argument, using lines just to get what he wants, etc?
- Check out his “dawgs”, “boyz” and “homies”. Do they work? Where do they work? What do they do with their time? Where do they hang out? What type of company are they and keep? How does he relate to them, speak to them, what do they talk about? Do they smoke or drink?
His past relationships. Who are his exes? What type of women has he dealt with? Does he have children. Check out his “baby mammas.” Does he deal with his kids-does he verbally, emotionally and physically abuse his kids? If you can, talk with his “exes”. Listen to how they talk about him and say about him. How does he refer to them? How does he interact with them-just because the relationship is over doesn’t mean they’ve left planet earth? How does he treat them?
His habits. Does he work? How does he account for his time? Time will tell whether he is. How does he act in public? Does he challenge people who look at him the wrong way, is he quick to fight? Does he drive super-aggressively, running right lights, stop signs, unnecessary speeding-the kind that express no regard for human life?
Where does he go for recreation and fun? Does he drink hard shyt? Does he abuse some kind of drugs-puffing weed, smoking blow, same shyt?
How does he carry himself and dress (OK because someone wears flip-flop attire doesn’t make them a thug, but how does he wear his clothes? Does he look like he gives a damn about himself?).
And that’s just some of the signs a man can show, but the signs are there. A thug punk will give a sister all types of signs! Quit messing with these punks and having babies by them, once that happens, you’re forever connected to him forever.
that has got to be the ugliest pic of Lil Wayne I have ever seen. ughhhh and ewww
It seems that a lot of bm and bw have lost respect for themselves over the years. This author is right, in order for others to respect us, we need to start at home. I can’t stand these thugs. I see them on my way to work and coming home. And they always have this nasty swagger about them. That I am an “animal” swagger. I just get so disgusted. You can’t look at them in the eye here in NY. That’s only an invitation.
Wow … I am agree’n with Auntie .. this is 3 times in 2 days … This post is SOOOOO on point .. and I tell my son ALL the time .. I’m not raising no punk .. you ain’t wearing you pants past your azz .. thats an inviation to other men to come get get get IT … (he’s never sagged and yes I have alduts spies at his school) … The person who sent this to Auntie is SPOT ON ! and we ALL need to pay attention to the signs .. and RUN forrest RUN !!
AlwaysSweet Says:
that has got to be the ugliest pic of Lil Wayne I have ever seen. ughhhh and ewww
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Umm .. there are “GOOD” pics of him .. cause he can have his pic taken by Annie Lebowitz and he’d still look like a friggin Elf-Troll-Mugwai-Gremlin
This post is sooo right. I look for all signs. I had a very bad experience with someone I knew for years. Luckily he had never been around my kids. Heck even the mail man is suspicious to me
Someone brought this up in yesterdays post and I want to bring it up again because I think it’s a very valid point.
Sandra is preaching to you black women that you need to stop putting these thug types on pedestals meanwhile she seems to think that Tiny isn’t included the group of women that she is reffering to. As if T.I. doesn’t make the perfect example of the “thug type”. Instead of preaching to these women about the choices they make with men, perhaps she should give alittle advice to her “friends” and forward them this post (Tiny, Monica).
She sits on her computer and glorifies T.I. as if he is the perfect specimen of a man. Mean while he is the example of what women, in Sandra’s opinion, should stay away from.
And I’m done!
Where does he go for recreation and fun? Does he drink hard shyt?
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great just what black voices needs….ANOTHER internet psychologist. inside the head of black men or as she terms them… thug punks….
and hell i drink “hard shyt” does this make ME a thug punk??? i am calling my husband and telling him we can no longer take tequila shots together b/c we are thug punks.
i BET that negro hang the hell up on me….
Umm .. there are “GOOD” pics of him .. cause he can have his pic taken by Annie Lebowitz and he’d still look like a friggin Elf-Troll-Mugwai-Gremlin
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You’re right there are no good pics of him cause he’s not a good-lookin kid by any means. But this one just takes the cake for me.
i have read a little further. the first time i skimmed over it. yall pray for me okay? cause whoever penned this….is talking about ME. the hard dranking, the sexual relation, the driving……i, kwallace…very well could be a thug punk.
Does he challenge people who look at him the wrong way, is he quick to fight? Does he drive super-aggressively, running right lights, stop signs, unnecessary speeding-the kind that express no regard for human life?
oh shyt.
OMG !!! Will this ever end??!! I guess Rocko and TI arent thugs??
LOL #9
@11 don’t laugh. i use some of these posts to improve myself and my family. i take some of them to heart.
i possess some of these traits…hell alot of them.
it’s all good kweezy .. cause i was JUST thugh checkin my son’s ootball coach … I am very aggresive when it comes to my son’s well being … look at me sideways ? ? . I’m askin you if I owe you money or summin ? .. lol
kwallace577 Says:
and hell i drink “hard shyt” does this make ME a thug punk??? i am calling my husband and telling him we can no longer take tequila shots together b/c we are thug punks.
DEAD….i was thinking the same thing like that half that ish up there describes me…. no mo hen i dont wanna be a thug punk…i wanna be an internet angel…
who wrote this:
Does he drive super-aggressively, running right lights, stop signs, unnecessary speeding-the kind that express no regard for human life?
its hilarious my mother will run a nicca off the road if they cut her off and she damn near 60….hold on i gotta get Jesus on the line
becuase i am in a family full of female thug punks and if Jesus is busy im calling Judge Mathis ( i would love some of his “tough Love” so maybe not a bad thought)
I see we need a new post for thug women title are you a kymystry or kweezy lol
LOL @ shunda … I grew up with 13 older brothers and 5 older sisters in NJ .. I just don’t play .. lol .. lol
@Kymystry
Damn!! You probably never had to fight outside the fam lol. If I had all them siblings I would of talked a lot of junk. Heck I still did and I only have 1 older sister.
the part that got ME shook was the aggressive driving…how about i JUST came back from traffic court…for tailgaiting??? LOL. i was riding behind their slow azz flashing my lights and honking my horn for them to get the hail outta the left lane…
i got it reduced, paid my fines and got the heck outta there.
the funny part is i learned every single aggressive driving tactic from my spouse who is a truck driver….LOL. i am married to a thug punk and so is he….LMAO.
LMAO@ Thug Punks…
Does he challenge people who look at him the wrong way, is he quick to fight? Does he drive super-aggressively, running right lights, stop signs, unnecessary speeding-the kind that express no regard for human life?
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My father, uncle, and cousins got into a brawl at Speedway over a parking space then turned into one of the others using the “n” word. Ended up getting gas sprayed all up in the face too, just to make sure nothing else would get said. You can say what you want about that…but they asked for that beat down. I don’t give a damn what the advocates of non-violence say.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF THUGS…YOU JUST HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO EFFECTIVELY INTEGRATE into society! LMAO
Very interesting post. A thug punk? Who comes up with these titles? And is the writer male of female? I guess all of that is irrelevant. I thought those people were just called lazy bums or abusers.
So, are rappers considered homo, I mean, thug punks? Or are they immuned to this category.
At the same time, no matter how many topics of this is posted, women are going to date who they want. If I had all this information when I started dating, I would end up with a white boy.
I think women need to watch for negative signs no matter who they are with. I know a few men that fits those descriptions perfectly, but they are college degreed, family oriented and make good money. The most deceptive men hide behind corporate america. At least with the thug punks, you know exactly what you are getting.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF THUGS…YOU JUST HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO EFFECTIVELY INTEGRATE into society! LMAO
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^5 .. gurl .. HIGH FRIGGIN FIVE … !!
cosign with dbrown. sometimes folks ask for it. i had this lady years ago refer to me as “you people” in front of my baby in line for a bathroom at the movies. we were waiting for a stall that my sister was in. “you people just think you can just break line whenever you feel like it.” the entire ladies room got quiet…. then all we heard was a flush….and lil big sister came out of the stall. she washed her hands and grabbed her niece by the hand and removed her from the scene….i read that lady so bad someone ran and got security.
to this DAY i am mad i did not steal her in the mouf before security showed up. it is on my list of regrets in my life.
i STILL don’t think i am fully integrated into society. just when i think i am “in” someone does something to piss me off to the nth degree and sets me back a decade…LOL.
“Does he challenge people who look at him the wrong way, is he quick to fight?”
LMAO.
KDubya…you did the right thing! Punching her wouldn’t have gotten the message over any better. What if she would have hit the ground, busted her head and went in a coma?
You wouldn’t be here today, hangin out with us…
Freak accidents happen…
Listen at me…giving advice. First thing I do is walk up on somebody talkin’ crap! Had to chill out, thougg. I beat the breaks off one of my best friends FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS OF BULLSHIT AND SHIET TALKIN, in front of her son.
That is on my list of regrets. I still feel bad about out. BUT WHAT DID WE SAY…people ask for it. She walked up on me. We only fell out for 2 months. (Now the beetch is a Boxer, i wouldn’t try that again….LMAO)
i don’t fight at ALL anymore. or read people. too much trouble and i am too old for that foolishness. i already got high blood pressure. i might be the one passing out. from anger.
now I am the one hollering out “security!”
Preach!!!!!!
@SexyMa078
Girl I could use some “tough Love” from Judge Mathis myself..
This post is so true, if it offends you then maybe you need to re-evaluate the relationships you are in. Praise the Lord Saints!
Just got back from lunch so didn’t read all the comments….
But….
I AM SO FRIGGIN SICK OF BEING LUMPED INTO THESE F’ED UP CATEGORIES. If I’m lumped into this category so is your mama, and your mama and your mama.
People are too concerned about who other people love. Who gives a shyt if certain women (black, white and other) loves a thug. If it doesn’t effect you and its not your thug they are loving MIND YOUR FRIGGING BUSINESS! Hating azz miserable heifers. & so you know. Men in suits will go upside your head just as quick as a nicca who just got out of jail.
I see where the poster is trying to go with this but the message was a little off. She just described most of the african american community in a nutshell (male and female). We are an aggressive people mostly because we were taken advantage of for a years. Some of what she said is true to the core and some of what she said is the way to release stress like Having a (ok a few) stiff drinks after work, Aggressive driving (I am so bad at that), sh*t talking (everybody talks Sh*t), Smoking Trees and Not always liking your spouse. The difference is everyday people verses criminal minded people who need a psyco meds instead any items listed above. If a man beats the sh*t out of his mother he is more than likely to beat the sh*t out of you. If he is a cold hearted person he wont care about you or your feelings (so Charles would not be dateable LOL). There a different levels to thuggary. Homo-thug, fake-thug, real-thug, thug-withaheart, reformed-thug, ex-thug, criminal-thug, sweet-thug, nice-thug and baby-thug. We never know what will make a person tick or what anyone’s true intentions are. Significant others are usually a reflection of who we are (mirror images). What about the nurse who cared for sick children and then all of a sudden she started poisoning their milk? What about the postal worker who went off the deep end and started killing co-workers? You never know but if your instincts tell you something is wrong most of the time we are right.
I too am a traffic offender (confession)
Sorry for the outburst. But I’m just sick of the negative post on black men and women. Is it so hard to post something positive about Our race. Is it?
Did anyone read Pepa from Salt n Pepa book. She talks a lot about loving thugs and how she overcame it. Why don’t post go up on how to overcome these situations or a link for women who are in abused relationships. Stop pointing the finger and lend a hand..
PS Faiths book is way better than Pep. Pep your book was all over the place.
Candy Apple
(so Charles would not be dateable LOL).
Charles gonna get you!
There a different levels to thuggery. Homo-thug, fake-thug, real-thug, thug-withaheart, reformed-thug, ex-thug, criminal-thug, sweet-thug, nice-thug and baby-thug.
Who knew there were so many variations of Thugs.
This article is the most useless waste of space I have come across on the net all month. I’m starting to believe that Sandra Rose hates black folks or something. Most points descibed should refer to ALL MEN, not just black ones. I just can’t believe how I’ve been thugging it up these past few days. I’ve had some serious road rage,I was speeding on the expressway this morning,and last night I hung out with my unemployed homegirl and finished off a bottle of wine with our baggy t-shirts and jogging pants on. Much thanks to the author of this post for identifying my messed up ways.
“She just described most of the african american community in a nutshell (male and female).”
That the most I can say on the excerpt … regardless of gender & race – as an individual its important to recognize your own worth.
@ sugastix
“This article is the most useless waste of space I have come across on the net all month. ”
That’s going to be a category on SR.com
UWOS – Useless Waste Of Space
My advice: try them all out until you meet the right one but definately cut them loose at the first sign of trouble, before feelings are attached. Not all rough neck ex cons are bad guys. Some of them do learn their lesson. My brother is that man. I wouldn’t put his business in the street, but he was featured in Essence magazine a couple of months ago on this very topic. He is an ex con with 7 years in the pen under his belt, but he is also a college educated sweatheart of a handsome devil with a good job. Ain’t nobody passing that up on the strength of a couple of pesky convictions in his past. Contrary to the tone of the article in Essence, my brother has no problem getting women and he shouldn’t.
Sandra is English she don’t not think the same as us does (lol).
English are more mild mannered and thug life in England is more covered up than in the US. They drink Tea at high noon. The US is run by thugs so its full of thugs. I understand the message she is trying to deliver which is true to the core. Stop accepting this type of mentality and behavior from our African American men. Its time to make a change black men cannot stay the same forever. Black women cannot continue to support the bad-thug type of behavior. Black women need to make a change as well or they will be lonely and continue to accept anyone who shows interest (even a hardened criminal). We can only be accountable for our own actions and if you want to rid yourself of the Bad-thug you must also rid yourself of the bad-thug within. Many women who date bad-thugs are bad-thugs too. Some people have a ghetto mentality and some don’t but in every person who came from the hood there is always an underline ghetto in them. Its suppressed but it is still there. The middle and upper class women are curios to see what the fuss is about this bad guy. They do it for excitement but when they get caught up in the end… Fun over…
Men are seen as protectors and who has the most masculine of qualities outside of a bad-thug. Only thing the protect and serve you’re a** a beat down.