Throwback Mondays: Jay Z

Probably the track off The Black Album that started all the Jay Z devil worshiping rumors — and for good reason.

On this track, Jay Z seems preoccupied with other worldly powers as he descends into darkness (or madness). The more I study his lyrics, the more Hova begins to sound like a deranged narcissist, comparing himself both to God [“And when I perish, the meek shall inherit the earth”], and to the fallen angel, Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness.

The charges of devil worship against Jay Z and his artists have reached such a fever pitch that the mogul has been forced to defend his music and his religion. In addition to glorifying guns and violence while mourning the loss of a friend on this track, Jay Z claims to be a Christian. Yet, in this video he clearly says, “That’s my word, I ain’t never read the Bible in my life.”

So which is it?

Lucifer, Dawn of the mourning
I’m gonna chase you out of Earth
Lucifer, Lucifer, Dawn of the mourning…
(I’m from the murder Capital, where we murder for capital)
Lucifer, Lucifer, Dawn of the mourning
I’m gonna chase you out of Earth

[Kanyeeze you did it again, you a genius nigga!]
Lucifer, Lucifer, Dawn of the mourning…
So you niggas change your attitude
For they asking what happened to you

[Verse One]
Lord forgive him
He got them dark forces in him
But he also got a righteous cause for sinning
Them a murder me so I gotta murder them first
Emergency doctors performing procedures
Jesus

I ain’t trying to be facetious
But “Vengance is mine” said the Lord
You said it better than all
Leave niggas on death’s door
Breathing off res-pir-ra-tors
for killing my best boy
HATERS

On permanent hiatus as I skate
In the Maybach Benz
Flyer than Sanaa Lathan
Pumping “Brown Sugar” by D’Angelo
In Los Angeles
Like an Evangelist
I can introduce you to your maker
Bring you closer to nature
Ashes after they cremate you bastards
Hope you’ve been reading your psalms and chapters
Paying your tithes, being good Catholics
I’m coming

[Chorus]

[Verse Two]

Yes
This is Holy war
I wet y’all all with the Holy water
Spray from the Heckler Koch auto-matic
All the static shall cease to exist
Like a sabbatical, I throw a couple at you
Take six

Spread love to all of my dead thugs
I’ll pour out a little Louie ’til I head above
Yes Sir
And when I perish
The meek shall inherit the earth
Until that time it’s on and poppin’
Church

Like Don Bishop
The fifth or palm Koch, either
Lift up your soul or give you the Holy ghost please
I leave ya in somebody’s Cathedral
And stunting like Evil Knievel
I’ll let you see where that bright light lead you
The more you talk the more you irkin’ us
The more you gon’ need memorial services
The Black Album’s second verse is like Devil’s Pie
Save some dessert for us

Man I gotta get my soul right
I gotta get these Devils out my life
These cowards gonna make a nigga ride
They won’t be happy ’til somebody dies

Oh, man I gotta get my soul right
‘For I’m locked up for my whole life
Every time it seems it’s all right
Somebody want they soul to rise
(I’ll chase you off of this Earth)

[Verse Three]
I got dreams of holding a Nine milli
To Bob’s killer
Asking him “why?” as my eyes fill up
These days I can’t wake up with a dry pillow
Gone but not forgotten Holmes, I still feel ya
So… curse the day that birthed the bastard
Who caused your Church mass
Reverse the crash
Reverse the blast
And reverse the car
Reverse the day, and there you are
Bob Allah

Lord forgive him we all have sinned
But Bob’s a good dude
Please let him in
And if you feel in my heart that I long for revenge
Please blame it on the sun of the mourning
Thanks Again

missy

Here is what I have to say……….. When most rappers say they sell their soul to the devil they are talking about the record company because just like the devil the record company promises you the money,car,clothes,houses,and anything else you desire in exchange for your talent…..
LovelyLady

Sandra why post this, people will still be blind to the truth. Its funny how facts are in your face but people still will not believe.
missmiami

I found this odd a long time ago. Everyday bits of the industry are being revealed.
http://charleshater.blogspot.com Charles

I don’t know why anyone would waste their time believeing this foolishness, you canr “sell ur soul to the devil” and get riches, or else everyone would’ve done it, some people are honestly, stupid
luvly1957

I’m so tired of hearing dis bullshish. If he sold his soul dat’s his soul if u don’t like his music than damn DON’T LISTEN!!!! u think if he waz in some kind of cult dat Beenie Siegel or Damin Dash would not have said somethin already as much as they claim to hate on him. PLS STOP wit da bullshish…

Lot of new ppl to da site
chase

Still does not do it for me, I agree w/ u missy….
LovelyLady

@ Luvly actually KRS, Prodigy and some other HAVE came out and spoken out about this . And I agree ALOT of new people pan this site. But it makes it alot more diverse then having the same opinions everyday.

And Charles maybe some people arent that damn stupid. All that money and fame dont matter after death only in “this world”
http://facebook.com/Im2thick4u 2thick4u

LMAO for reading this entire posting and actually parying that this man didn’t sell his Soul.

It is his Soul…Jay Z has attained the higher level of musical accomplishment and I am proud of him as an African American male to reach that peak in the industry.

Now how, who, why is irrelevant to me because in the end we all are judged individually!!!
http://facebook.com/Im2thick4u 2thick4u

*praying…typo
lexdiamonz

Jay Z married Beyonce the anti-christ herself LOL!!! we don’t need more proof than that waiting for Jay-z stans in 5,4,3,2…..
flsun99

I have this CD (which is one of my favorites) and I interrupt the song totally different. The song is actually good vs. evil, something most of deal with everyday… (Doing the right thing). I think when most celebrities say they sold their soul to the devil, the devil is the music business, because they sometimes lose themselves and become what someone else wants them to be just for fame & fortune. This is my opinion and I don’t believe what this hog wash Sandra. I love your site though, we can agree to disagree and keep it moving….so I’m going to keep it moving on this one!
Peace!
http://facebook.com/renz.renegadesince1985 renegadesince1985

@ LovelyLady

I’ve agreed with everything you’ve said (including in the prior post on Jigga).

A former classmate wrote a 20 page paper for our cultural communications class on the music industry and the symbolism behind lyrics, music videos, costumes, etc. After his in-depth presentation, I started to pay attention more. The guy who wrote the paper was not a religious person, he was an agnostic. So even if you take religion out of the equation, it is still obvious that these people are pushing a certain agenda. Some people hold the belief that ignorance is bliss. I guess I used to think that way too, but you have to open your eyes and see what’s going on. The world is a scary place now. Chaos and anarchy are slowly approaching. Just look at the news on any given day.
flyqtnva

Lord forgive him
He got them dark forces in him

^ he told you in the beginning of the song!
LovelyLady

I think when most celebrities say they sold their soul to the devil, the devil is the music business, because they sometimes lose themselves and become what someone else wants them to be just for fame & fortune.
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Exactly and THAT IS selling your soul
LovelyLady

I think when most celebrities say they sold their soul to the devil, the devil is the music business, because they sometimes lose themselves and become what someone else wants them to be just for fame & fortune.
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Exactly and THAT IS selling your soul
Kimi

Lucifer is about Jay getting revenge on the people that killed one of his best friends. He’s also asking Gods forgivness in advance for taking revenge on the killers, and then asking God to let his friend into heaven even though he wasn’t perfect, nothing more, nothing less This is so silly to me……oh and Lucifer is one of my favorite songs by Jay-Z
LovelyLady

Thank You, renegadesince1985
KiKiWest

…Sigh…
I am so tired of the “Jay-Z Worships the Devil” posts. None if us has any PROOF that he does and the speculation at this point is false testimony… check Exodus 20:16. I personally pray that if this is the case that he will change his ways and accept Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. No song in this world can take away from my love and belief in Jesus!! Now can we please talk about something else? Please??
msnicole

Bringing up these old ass lyrics to try to prove a point?
http://dahoneyhive.blogspot.com ryand91

I’m so sick of hearing about this devil-worshiping crap. If Jay-Z in fact sold his soul to the devil, he’s got to pay one day. These people just need to stop worshiping these celebrities and making them out to be these false idols and deities. Celebrities are everyday people like you and I, they are no different and a lot of people need to realize that.
flyqtnva

If Jayz came out today and said it ….his fans still wouldnt believe it …or they will find a way to rationalize it..jayz has made several statements, worn clothing, listed the books that hold his interest (o magazine)…and in all that you will see references to EVIL PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WHO THEMSELVES HAVE OUTRIGHT SAID THEY WORSHIP SATAN…and yes it is his SOUL…but it anit HIS SOUL he concerened about its THE CHILDREN…thats why he’s pushing forty and telling Oprah he got more say so over children THEN THEIR PARENTS!!!!
He wants you to be wrapped up in his music, clothing, alcohol, cause as long as you are YOU ARE A CHILD OF SATAN!
We HUMANS hate to admit it! Your doing everything in your power to show Satan you belong to him! I see y Beyonce has Sasha Fierce..she know she dead a@@ wrong for what she doing..so wrong her MIND HAD TO SPLIT! to handle it…call it entertainment if you will!

I used to want this ish 4ever…YALL CAN TAKE IT BACK! (KAYNE)
flyqtnva

@KiKiWest

THE PROOF IS IN HIS WORK!

ITS ON HIS SHIRT!

ITS ON HIS CLOTHING!

IN HIS MUSIC!

IN HIS VIDEOS!

ITS IN HIS CHOSEN NAME!
terika83

Idk I agree with some of you. This topic is overkill now, but at the same time I feel like just because we keep hearing it doesn’t mean there isn’t a new reader or someone else out there who hasn’t and needs to. I agree with LovelyLady…even if you don’t agree with EVERYTHING about this topic it’s very evident that some things are no coincidence especially if you research the symbols and etc some artist use. I was listening to a bone-thugz-n harmony interview the other week where they were talking about they don’t believe that Easy E died of HIV. They said it happened too quick and something about the particular doctor he was seeing. Easy E was their mentor…they were RIGHT there…if we don’t listen to each other we should definitely listen to the people who are right there in it. i.e. Bone Thugz, Tiffany Evans, Prodigy, Tupac (Killuminati), Dr. Dre, MJ and etc. They aren’t saying this stuff for no reason.

It is known that Satan was the leader of music in heaven so it only makes sense that music is used as one of his outlets. Some of us have strong minds but think of some people who are easily influeneced especially when they see their favorite star saying/doing certain things.

The only thing I’m confused on is if it’s a choice or forced. Like I said I know for a fact a big rapper was forced…he was served his papers on what to do…or else. But some artist make it seem like it’s a choice. Like they ask you if you want to do it and you have the option to say no. Idk, maybe if you are blowing up on your own and have great influence you are forced, and others are presented with the opportunity. Idk…
flyqtnva

@ryand91
i agree with your post..HOWEVER…while celebs are regular people…they have the opportunity to Reach millions! we all know this…so like some people on here say all the time….”THEY DONT OWE ME NOTHING” or “EVERYMAN FOR HIMSELF”…

IF YOU WERE OFFERED MILLIONS TO DECIEVE PEOPLE HOW MANY OF US WOULD ACTUALLY WALK AWAY?

here lies the problem….

u telling me you will give me anything I want, money, cars, house, clothes….& all me and my spouse have to do is foster an enviorment of self-hate, promiscuity (SP), sex, violence, drugs..etc….to a bunch of NIGG@S who dont care about themselves anyway….a bunch of illeriate, ghetto hoodrats…they just gonna kill each other anyways……WHY NOT!

AND WHEN I REALLY START TO FEEL BAD ABOUT IT i can have people donate food in my name to the hungry or give away some scholarships …COOL! sign me up! i dont every have to see the people I impact
terika83

@flyqtnva #21 I think people ignore it because 1…it’s a hard pill to swallow 2…it’s like WHY? and 3….it’s easier to think that music is just simply entertainment and someone isn’t trying to do all this extra stuff. I still can’t grasp why someone would need to do all that. Not even talking about the artists but why a group of people can be THAT adamant on putting stuff like this in the media so it goes out to the masses. But I guess I can look at it the same way as people who go to arms length for GOD. I guess if you feel that strongly about something you do whatever but I still think it’s dumb. smh.
missy

At the end of the day like most people have already stated they compromise who they are to attain some sort of success…How many artist today we know who make positive music and aren’t selling sex that are truly successful on the mainstream level …. ….

Many people have said they changed who they are just to get the success they have achieved and i agree with you @fly about beyonce and sasha fierce because she knows it is wrong and is justifying it by creating an alter ego….
http://www.tagged.com/7butterflies shesuga

Sandra, didnt you post something previously about this song? There are athiests, agnostics and devil worshippers all amongst us. There are plenty so called artists lyrics we can pick apart and attribute them to being other than christian. IF (and a very big IF) this is true is it that serious? I’m sure not losing any sleep; I know who I serve. We all are given a choice as to whom we serve and are held accountable for our own actions on judgement day. Pray for him as you would any other misguided soul. Thats about all you can do, right?
flyqtnva

@terika83

Its kind of like a forced choice:

I’ve already attained a certain level of wealth…and they come to me with an agenda…here i say you choose and normally your choosing not to be out of the LIFE

BUT IF THEY GOT ur fam, or dirt on you or something like that its a forced choice
LovelyLady

@ Missy you said

…How many artist today we know who make positive music and aren’t selling sex that are truly successful on the mainstream level
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Exactly!!! If you aint doing the devil works you aint getting the perks.
LovelyLady

@ Fly
Kat

i mean, who cares if jay z worships the devil? is he paying your bills or is it affecting you in any type of way? i guess i could care less about it…
Cinderella

Like I said in an earlier post, Paranoia is a disease I hope I never catch. I was raised to be an independent thinker and not rely on others for information. Since the beginning of time humans have been distorting the truth to fit their own views or beliefs. Many of you already believe Jay-Z and other celebs are satanic and demonic. These videos and over-analyzations made by people with too much time on their hands, just give you “confirmation”.
nika405

Blah, Blah, Blah….if Jay-z has sold his soul to the devil and the world is coming to an end and all of that…I know I’m right with my GOD. I haven’t sold my soul and if the world ends today I’m going to my heaven. So why must we see the same thing posted day in and day out? If you believe it great..if not great, just let the subject die already.
missy

Why can’t we have our opinions based the conclusions we came up with and how are people paranoid from having our own beliefs ….

And i hate when people say “we don’t know these people and what they do in their private lives”.. but how can you defend them and you don’t know them either …. this is a gossip blog we all come here to state our opinion whether we agree or not…
KiKiWest

@flyqtnva No shade but I don’t call those things proof…
@ LovelyLady Question about post 28- What exactly are the perks? I know many pastors (with no known scandal attached to them) who are living VERY comfotably. Now of course I don’t know what they do behind closed doors but do you think that all people with money are doing the devils work? Again no shade, just curious. I love knowing how people think.
MUNCHOSGIRL

I’LL BE SO HAPPY WHEN HIS BOOK DECIPHERING HIS LYRICS HITS THE BOOK SHELVES!

Lucifer, Dawn of the mourning
I’m gonna chase you out of Earth..ARE THESES WORDS NOT SELF EXPLANITORY?

got dreams of holding a Nine milli
To Bob’s killer
Asking him “why?” as my eyes fill up
These days I can’t wake up with a dry pillow
Gone but not forgotten Holmes, I still feel ya
So… curse the day that birthed the bastard
Who caused your Church mass
Reverse the crash
Reverse the blast
And reverse the car
Reverse the day, and there you are
Bob Allah

Lord forgive him we all have sinned
But Bob’s a good dude
Please let him in
And if you feel in my heart that I long for revenge
Please blame it on the sun of the mourning
Thanks Again

HIS FRIEND BOB-A-LOB AS HE WAS CALLED, NOT BOB ALLAH, WAS KILLED. HE IS SPEAKING OF REVENGE, BUT ASKING GOD TO FORGIVE HIM FOR HIS REVENGEFUL THOUGHTS(DARK FORCES) OF BOB’S KILLERS. HE WANTS GOD TO ACCEPT HIS FRIEND IN HEAVEN “HE’S A GOOD DUDE”

ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN FADE TO BLACK, KNOWS THE STORY BEHIND THIS SONG, THIS IS A KANYE PRODUCTION.

SANDRA YOU HIGHLIGHTED THE LAST LINE, WHY NOT THE FIRST LINE?
Man I gotta get my soul right
I gotta get these Devils out my life
These cowards gonna make a nigga ride
They won’t be happy ’til somebody dies

Oh, man I gotta get my soul right
‘For I’m locked up for my whole life
Every time it seems it’s all right
Somebody want they soul to rise
(I’ll chase you off of this Earth)
flyqtnva

terika83
I still can’t grasp why someone would need to do all that. Not even talking about the artists but why a group of people can be THAT adamant on putting stuff like this in the media so it goes out to the masses. But I guess I can look at it the same way as people who go to arms length for GOD. I guess if you feel that strongly about something you do whatever but I still think it’s dumb.

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I always ask myself why as well but look at it like this….out of all the religions you can pick on why is it JESUS….what is your motive jayz?…what does he have to lose or gain?… do i think jayz is intellectual enough to give an opinion on the topic at hand? are his life experiences causing him to feel this way? On the outside looking in he has nothing to COMPLAIN ABOUT…AND EVEN IF I WERE PRIVY TO INSIDE KNOWLEDGE HE STILL HAS NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!….SO WHAT ELSE IS IT?…how does a rapper like jayz end up in the graces of Bill Gates? did he stumble across aliester crowley ..NOT IN A BROOKLYN LIBRARY….i only know the man cause I study religion..so is Jayz a student of religion as well?

As for the group as a whole…as long as they have a bunch of followers who cares? I think the group is more on a herd the sheeple mentality!
missy

This is what my father says their are preachers and teachers and their is a major difference in that….

A preacher who is living comfortably (if they don’t have another job besides preaching) is making money from the members of his church…..Also how are the members in is church are they living comfortably or are they struggling to survive and paying their bills….

Church has become a business instead of helping their members they help themselves and that is why preachers have a harder time getting into heaven because they are leading God’s flock and they should not be stealing and leading them astray from his word..
missy

When i say comfortably i mean a mansion and driving a rolls royce (etc..) unless you have a job…
LadyLioness

He’s not a devil worshipper. He and the folks he work with (i.e. Rick Rubin) are into the occult sciences. When you take off the “Jesus” blinders and understand who you really are, your history and that of your ancestors (before the invention of Jesus), you’d understand that your own ancient sciences are being used against you.

The occult sciences have been called Satan/devil worship to scare you and keep you from it. All the symbols you see on his clothes, in his music, and the videos are the same symbols that have been used by most U.S. companies as their logos for decades. Why are they so different now? LOL
LovelyLady

@ KikI, to answer you question ummm NO i dont think all people with money sell their souls and i never said that. When i was saying perk, i was saying the money, fame, cleberity that all these people WANT and will do anything for it.

theres also perks with living righteously.
LovelyLady

@ Nika

And we can say the sme thing about, celebs and etc that get posted over and over again.
LovelyLady

missy Says:

This is what my father says their are preachers and teachers and their is a major difference in that….

A preacher who is living comfortably (if they don’t have another job besides preaching) is making money from the members of his church…..Also how are the members in is church are they living comfortably or are they struggling to survive and paying their bills….

Church has become a business instead of helping their members they help themselves and that is why preachers have a harder time getting into heaven because they are leading God’s flock and they should not be stealing and leading them astray from his word..

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My pastor was speaking on this on Sunday, You have false evrything. You have preachers, lawyers, policiticans all going to hell. Just because you THINK they living right dont mean they ARE.
KiKiWest

@Missy
Don’t get me wrong… I didn’t say I necessarily agree with all of the pastors that are doing well.. I just wouldn’t say they were doing the devil’s work. I do agree that some churchs are businesses but not all. My pastor does not take any money for the church. We have a seperate offering for the pastor. All the money from tithes goes to the church and whatever you put into the pastor’s offering is what he has to live off of for that week. Some weeks he does very well and some weeks he has to struggle to pay his bills. Either way he has never taken a dime from the church. Now this man drives a nice car lives in a very nice house and takes great care of his family. I don’t consider him to be a theif, people are giving him what is on their hearts, and I’ve never heard him ask for more.
missy

Just like in the catholic church the Priest get stipens to live off of……..but I have seen a couple of pastors driving a maybach and living in a mansion and their members are living in the hood and they keep asking their members to donate to them…And these people keep giving to the pastor who is living good and they are still stuck in the hood….I don’t have a problem with a pastor who works and make his own but I have a problem with a pastor who is living off of the church and could care less about their members…..
http://facebook.com/renz.renegadesince1985 renegadesince1985

LadyLioness Says:

He’s not a devil worshipper. He and the folks he work with (i.e. Rick Rubin) are into the occult sciences. When you take off the “Jesus” blinders and understand who you really are, your history and that of your ancestors (before the invention of Jesus), you’d understand that your own ancient sciences are being used against you.

Personally I could care less if Jay Z is a devil worshiper. Religion aside, these people are promoting behavior that leads to chaos or a society without boundaries or morals. Whether you’re religious or not, most people believe in morals. Yes these societies have been around for ages, but now they have a vehicle (media) to promote their agendas. Think about how music has evolved over the past 50 years. Then think about how society has changed. Don’t you see a correlation? The music has become more violent, sexual etc..so has our society…so much so that it almost seems normal for people to behave that way.

Also, don’t you think its funny that the things these people rap/sing about doing aren’t really what they do personally? Why would you promote something that you don’t do yourself?
KiKiWest

@#45- yes! My mom-in-laws pastor was the WORSE! The church is in North Philly (not a great neighborhood) and the pastor drove a 2008 S Class and had a nerve to give a “testimony” that at one point in time he couldn’t pay one of his 3 car notes or 4 mortgages! I was disgusted in that church. Most of these people are living on fixed incomes and you’re asking them for more money so you can choose which house you want to sleep in and which car you want to drive. PLEASE! So yes, they are definitely out there but I believe that God gives us the gift of discernment and some people don’t want to believe their gut feeling… which I’m sure some of you will say I won’t either because I won’t say Jigga is a devil worshiper LOL. I’m not saying he is or isn’t, I’m just saying we don’t have proof either way.
Monique Rosse

I see some saying they are not worried about their soul because they are not easily influence; but they are not worried about your soul, they want to influence the children. How many children now-a-day want to be doctors or lawyers? Most want to grow up to be like a 40 year old man still dressing like a 20 year old appeal to kids not other 40 year olds.
missy

Kikiwest says:
@#45- yes! My mom-in-laws pastor was the WORSE! The church is in North Philly (not a great neighborhood) and the pastor drove a 2008 S Class and had a nerve to give a “testimony” that at one point in time he couldn’t pay one of his 3 car notes or 4 mortgages! I was disgusted in that church. Most of these people are living on fixed incomes and you’re asking them for more money so you can choose which house you want to sleep in and which car you want to drive. PLEASE! So yes, they are definitely out there but I believe that God gives us the gift of discernment and some people don’t want to believe their gut feeling… which I’m sure some of you will say I won’t either because I won’t say Jigga is a devil worshiper LOL. I’m not saying he is or isn’t, I’m just saying we don’t have proof either way.

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Geesh wow they are the type of pastors i don’t like and i do agree with you that some people don’t believe their gut feelings and the pastors are the same ones who preach about the woman who gave her last and was rewarded but they are twisting it for themselves…..
kdillon

I think Jay Z is more of a Luciferien more than a Satanist. Back in Africa we didnt believe in Jesus, he was created when we were taken to the Americas as apart of slavery. We were not allowed to read any books without being killed but the bible was okay. We are the only race with a white messiah, every other one has a messiah that looks like them.
MUNCHOSGIRL

Monique Rosse Says:

I see some saying they are not worried about their soul because they are not easily influence; but they are not worried about your soul, they want to influence the children. How many children now-a-day want to be doctors or lawyers? Most want to grow up to be like a 40 year old man still dressing like a 20 year old appeal to kids not other 40 year olds

WE RAISE OUR OWN CHILDREN, NOT THE CELBS. I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I HAVE 2 SONS, NEITHER WANTS TO BE JAY-Z NOR WANTS WHAT HE HAS(WELL MY 17YR OLD WANYS BEYONCE.) HE HAS HAD THE DREAM OF BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SINCE THE AGE OF 3, HIS DREAM HAS NOT DETERRED, MY DAUGHTERS HAVE THE DESIRES TO BECOME A SURGEON, AND THE OTHER A PEDIATRICIAN. I AM AN AVID FAN OF JAY-Z, LISTENS TO HIS MUSIC ON THE REGULAR. MY CHILDREN LOOK TO THEIR PARENTS FOR GUIDANCE NOT THE CELEBS WHO DON’T EVEN KNOW THEY EXIST.
kdillon

Pastors are grimy, most of them like Creflo, TD Jakes, Joel Olstein, etc are apart of the occult. The church brings in a billion dollars a year of non taxable money, where is all that money going if its not taxed? It all goes into a fund to help the cause “The New World Order”, this is how wars are funded etc. Remember the “AntiChrist” knows the bible verse to verse and will fool anyone into believing that they are like Christ.
MsG

missy Says:

Why can’t we have our opinions based the conclusions we came up with and how are people paranoid from having our own beliefs ….

And i hate when people say “we don’t know these people and what they do in their private lives”.. but how can you defend them and you don’t know them either …. this is a gossip blog we all come here to state our opinion whether we agree or not
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The devil likes it when we view him as harmless or his mess as no big deal. He wants you to take your guard down to his mess.
don khan

I don’t listen to Jay’Z’s music (it’s just bad). His actions say enough about who he worships.

@ kdillon
Thank you! I agree. Ask your local pastor about the NWO and watch him squirm
Monique Rosse

@MUNCHOSGIRL

And I applaud you on making sure your children do not follow celebrities, but there are very few like you (and I expect many of the people on here are those few exceptions since Sandra screens those who comment on her site), but now-a-days the television is raising children, how many imitate what they see on tv by their clothing, hair styles, etc…many kids think it is cute to shake their butts and learn all the new dances, but bring home C’s and D’s on their report cards and mom and dad have nothing to say about it.
Monique Rosse

@kdillon

I agree, even the devil can preach the Bible, BUT I am not saying ALL preachers are evil…
MUNCHOSGIRL

Monique Rosse Says:

@MUNCHOSGIRL

And I applaud you on making sure your children do not follow celebrities, but there are very few like you (and I expect many of the people on here are those few exceptions since Sandra screens those who comment on her site), but now-a-days the television is raising children, how many imitate what they see on tv by their clothing, hair styles, etc…many kids think it is cute to shake their butts and learn all the new dances, but bring home C’s and D’s on their report cards and mom and dad have nothing to say about it

THAT IS WHY PARENTS SHOULD BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN ACTIONS. THOSE ARE MY DAUGHTERS IN MY AVATAR, THEY WERE YOUNGER THERE OF COURSE. THEY ARE 9 AND 12 NOW, NEITHER KNOWS HOW TO DANCE, COULDN’T CATCH RHYTHM WITH A BUCKET. I THANK GOD FOR MY CHILDREN AND THEIR VIEWS ON THE WORLD. THEY ARE NOT PERSUADED BY MATERIAL OBJECTS THAT THEY SEE ON TELEVISION. THEY ASK FOR THE REGULAR VIDEO GAME AND WHATNOT, BUT AS FAR AS THE JORDANS, ROCAWEAR, $100 JEANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER TO THEM.
LadyLioness

@renegadesince1985

I understand what you’re saying. But the problem isn’t with the music, tv or entertainers; it is with the people’s lack of basic cognitive skills. It seems that most of society are automatons. Very few, actually think for themselves and live for themselves. Most are trying to live up to the images that these entertainers are paid to portray in the various media outlets. (i.e. buying the similar food/beverages, clothes, shoes, houses, cars etc.)Yeah the people fueling the media may have an agenda, but don’t we all have minds of our own and have the ability to choose whether to follow others or be your own person??

You asked “Why would you promote something that you don’t do yourself?” Umm…because that’s their profession. Jay-Z is a role that Shawn Carter plays. Whoopi Goldberg is a role that Caryn Johnson plays. People totally forget that these celebs are out here merely for entertainment purposes only. We should be able to watch a movie/tv show, or listen to a song, and understand that those mediums are forms of expression, not REAL LIFE.

When will folks take responsibility for themselves and their children and stop depending on someone else to tell them how to live and be?
MUNCHOSGIRL

LadyLioness, MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!
BamaBeauty

Deeper meaning people…I took it as a cry for help in a time of harsh reality. We all have had that struggle with revenge when we’ve been hurt. He acknowledges that it is the devil’s work. It’s almost like he’s at a crossword because his walk is filled with hurt, anger, and resentment. The church is supposed to save us and keep us from this…It’s rap and relatable rap it is. People dont want to talk as if there was a dark side to life. It’s just like a “heart break” song. It’s a cry for comfort.
Relatable rap is good for sales, if nothing else
LadeeA

First of all yes it is Jay’s soul but just because it’s his and not ours does not mean that we shouldn’t be concerned about his soul. The bible talks ALOT about loving your brethren, helping your brethren, praying for your brethren and lifting them up where they are weak, etc. We should not cast this off as if it’s not our business. Jay puts it out there in our faces and quotes little slick sayings and throws up devilish handsigns. So we should be concerned. And his puppets Rhi and Bey do the same damn thing. These ARE the last days and we are to pay ATTENTION to the signs of the times, Satan is more clever than we think, of course he’s not going to have people say “hey guys I worship the Devil.” He will use sublte things but at the same time make it plain too. Because he knows that some people will not follow a person who is openly woeshipping the Devil. Yes there have been people who openly admit it and there are some who DON’T but they will hint to it like Jay and many others do. Look it up if you have to Jay is a 33rd degree Mason, the HIGHEST and that’s what his album cover Blueprint 3 represents and alotof their beliefs are dark. So what if Jay mentions God, the Devil believes in God too, he knew him first hand, but there is a difference between knowing about and serving him. Did you know that Satan is a God to some people too. Don’t be fooled. The Bible says Satan transforms himself into an Angel of light and his workers into ministers of righteousness.
LovelyLady

LaDeeA
Monique Rosse

@MUNCHOSGIRL

And I wish more children were like that and more parents cared, but that does not seem to be the society we live in anymore…and when celebrities make the comments that they have more control over children then parents (i.e. Jay-Z or Jay Hova as he likes to be called) and Kanye saying he should have been in the Bible because kids would read it more…and these are the kind of people kids are looking up to..that’s all I am saying, I never said all parents, just vast majority of them allow them to idolize these people
http://facebook.com/renz.renegadesince1985 renegadesince1985

@LadyLioness

I do agree with you. People should take responsibility for their children. Unfortunately they don’t. Everyone so often brings up that parents should be responsible for their kids. When a kid is neglected and succumbs to the negative pressure, Guess what? When they start killing, selling drugs, raping, etc..It’s not only affecting their parents, it’s affecting us all. As my mom would say, it takes a village to raise a child. Some parents try extremely hard to discipline/monitor their children. But no parent on earth can watch their children 24/7. Also, everyone is different. Some people are strong-minded and can decipher the messages sent through media. Other people for whatever reason, are not like that. Most people are easily influenced. Young minds are impressionable.

As for that whole Whoppi Goldberg thing. I think they are different. People know that whoppi goldberg is an actor. You go to a movie, you know that isn’t real life. These rappers/singers profess to be real. Every other sentence is “I’m real” or “real talk” blah blah blah…You and I know that they aren’t. But what about those young kids who listen? They might not realize that these people are actors. Think back to when you were a child and think about who you looked up to? Now that you are older, were they really everything you thought they were?
MsG

LadeeA Says:

First of all yes it is Jay’s soul but just because it’s his and not ours does not mean that we shouldn’t be concerned about his soul. The bible talks ALOT about loving your brethren, helping your brethren, praying for your brethren and lifting them up where they are weak, etc. We should not cast this off as if it’s not our business. Jay puts it out there in our faces and quotes little slick sayings and throws up devilish handsigns. So we should be concerned. And his puppets Rhi and Bey do the same damn thing. These ARE the last days and we are to pay ATTENTION to the signs of the times, Satan is more clever than we think, of course he’s not going to have people say “hey guys I worship the Devil.” He will use sublte things but at the same time make it plain too. Because he knows that some people will not follow a person who is openly woeshipping the Devil. Yes there have been people who openly admit it and there are some who DON’T but they will hint to it like Jay and many others do. Look it up if you have to Jay is a 33rd degree Mason, the HIGHEST and that’s what his album cover Blueprint 3 represents and alotof their beliefs are dark. So what if Jay mentions God, the Devil believes in God too, he knew him first hand, but there is a difference between knowing about and serving him. Did you know that Satan is a God to some people too. Don’t be fooled. The Bible says Satan transforms himself into an Angel of light and his workers into ministers of righteousness.
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Speak that truth!!
LadyLioness

@renegadesince1985

You’re right! It does take a village, but most of us don’t live in communities with that mentality, so that’s why the younger generations are the way they are. When I was growing up, I looked up to my mother and other people in my community. Entertainers simply entertained me.

The Whoopi and Jay-Z scenario is one in the same. She acts, he raps, however they are both paid to entertain. These rappers may profess to be real; but my logic is…you’re real when your stage name is your government name. If you use a stage name, you’re using “real” as a gimmick to sell your products.