A seasoned Allegheny County judge recused himself from a case after he practically accused a prosecutor of being a racist.
According to online reports, Common Pleas Judge Joseph K. Williams, who is black, rejected a deal to allow a white defendant — Jeffery McGowan, 24, to plead guilty in exchange for 3 months’ probation.
McGowan stood accused of fighting with a police officer during a traffic stop.
Assistant District Attorney Brian Catanzarite attempted to negotiate a plea deal of 3 months probation for McGowan who did not have a criminal record.
“Catanzarite for some reason comes up with I think ridiculous pleas whenever it’s a young white guy,” an exasperated Williams said from the bench. “I’m just telling you what my observation is. If this had been a black kid who did the same thing, we wouldn’t be talking about three months’ probation.”
A shocked Catanzarite explained that he was standing in for another prosecutor, who negotiated the case.
“Now that the court has essentially called me a racist, I think that’s unfair. I don’t make offers based on race. I make offers based on facts,” Catanzarite said.
Another attorney in the courtroom at the time, Giuseppe Roselli, questioned whether Williams was rejecting the plea because McGowan is white.
“Not because he’s white, but because it’s a ridiculous plea that only goes to white boys that come into this court for the same facts, and I’m not going for it,” the judge responded.
After Williams recused himself from the case, Mike Manko, a spokesman for District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr., said the plea deal was appropriate and agreed to by the officer, who was not injured.
“Negotiated pleas are never based on the race of a particular defendant but rather on the behavior of the defendant and the facts associated with that behavior,” Manko said.
if i beat up a cop i would never get offered 3 months probation and i have no criminal record
What does the cop not being hurt have to do with anything? Let my black azz try that and I am a female. Bet I go to jail
Al-Ameera says:
What does the cop not being hurt have to do with anything? Let my black azz try that and I am a female. Bet I go to jail
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Hurt or not, it’s still assult on a officer, there should have been jail time, and more than 3 months.
It is easy to prove whether or not Caucasians are giving leaner or better plea deals than Blacks (Negroes) with similar backgrounds and offenses. Just pull the plea deal records of the Prosecutor’s office for the last 5 years alone.
Besides, the Judge should be familiar with the practices of the Prosecutor’s office. He has been on the bench for awhile.
Bravo to Judge Joseph K. Williams for addressing the issue. #institutionalizedracism
Uh oh, this is in my state of PA. The judge is right though but not too surprising.
There is a separate justice system for white people, rich people and celebrities. We already know that. :/
Free BUJU!!!!
If black fighting police – Aggravated Assault against a Government Official, Resisting Arrest, Disorderly Conduct. Plea Bargain would be at minimum a Felony with at least 2.5 years of supervised probation(standard) first 6months of the probation is Intense(home before 6pm). And possible some jail time. any violation requires you spend remainder of probation in jail
if white fighting police – Same charges. Plea Bargain would be reduced to High Level Misdemeanor with < 6month of unsupervised probation.
i can see where there might be some racial intent can be there.
There’s a story about two black sisters who got life sentences for a robbery of only $11. This racism shxt is getting old.
IF U ARE NOT WHITE AND RICH U WILL BE PUNISH HOW THE FUK U GON GET MAD CUZ U WANT 3MONTHS FOR ASSAULTING AN OFFICER??? DUMBAZZ
They should build a school and name it in his honor.
kingstonn says:
There’s a story about two black sisters who got life sentences for a robbery of only $11.
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I read that yesterday. Anyone who says justice is equal for whites and blacks is a liar.
Ace says:
If black fighting police – Aggravated Assault against a Government Official, Resisting Arrest, Disorderly Conduct. Plea Bargain would be at minimum a Felony with at least 2.5 years of supervised probation(standard) first 6months of the probation is Intense(home before 6pm). And possible some jail time. any violation requires you spend remainder of probation in jail
if white fighting police – Same charges. Plea Bargain would be reduced to High Level Misdemeanor with < 6month of unsupervised probation. i can see where there might be some racial intent can be there. _________________
Take it from someone who worked in both corrections and probations in the past, the judge is definately not wrong but absolute fact. I have had probation cases that were very similar only differences was the color. The leaner sentences are given to white young boys over black. Jail time same thing…
As anyone seen the movie
American Violet (they recently been playing it on BET)
I saw it on DVD…good movie. involves this very exact same thing…
Georgia courts are Nortorious for it.
BRAVO to the Judge—He is SICK and TIRED of so called equal justice for everyone.:rolleyes:
eastpointvet says:
if i beat up a cop i would never get offered 3 months probation and i have no criminal record
I wish I was a grad student in that district. It would be a great sociological experiment to conduct for research. Read the arrest report and attempt to replicate the same incident and see how I, as a young black man, would be treated. The judge is 100% correct with soft pleas though. Another thing the cop would have NEVER agreed to that if it was a black person so you know the sentence would have been harsher.
This fuggin white boy split a cops wig and the nigga gets a “We’re sorry to inconveinance you” sentence.
My black azz look in the po-po’s direction and they lookin to charge me with attempted murder!
What does the “assualted” cop have to say about this?
I DEMAND to know the “plea” policy of the DA office in question!
renegadesince1985 says:
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Someone had to be hurt..during the commission of the robbery for this to be right..was a gun used? was the victim a child?
@ Rene, Yeap. They’ve already been in for 15 years, but the NAACP is trying to help. So sad..
kingstonn says:
There’s a story about two black sisters who got life sentences for a robbery of only $11. This racism shxt is getting old.
One wud like to think so but its still very much alive and in action
SMH
@KINGSTON
“Yeap. They’ve already been in for 15 years, but the NAACP is trying to help. So sad..”
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AND they had no prior records.
AND they didn’t commit ANY violence
AND the police KNEW who the REAL criminals were in the case.
They were “get away drivers.”
Given, not giving. Sorry.
Man, I just don’t care™ says:
My black azz look in the po-po’s direction and they lookin to charge me with attempted murder!
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Wait a second. Is the cop black? Cause that would DEFINITELY explain the
hoodwink*ahem* “plea.”If it was a white cop I
that white boy bust his chit up real good.
Man, I just don’t care™ says:
Wait a second. Is the cop black? Cause that would DEFINITELY explain the hoodwink *ahem* “plea.”
If it was a white cop I that white boy bust his chit up real good.
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Um, in the case with the two sisters, weren’t two ppl pistol whipped and robbed?
*kudos* to this judge though.
I was watching t.v. the other day, and they had this show on where it was a black kid and a white kid trying to steal a bike. When the white boy was doing it, nobody said a word and kept on walking by. When it was the black guys turn, everybody and they momma was trying to get him to stop and called the police and everything. It was a damn shame. Then when asked why they didn’t do anything to the white kid, they said it was because he was nice and they really didn’t think nothing of it. The hell?
Dimplez – did you just change gravi’s…if so um um UM! thank…you!
can go home from work on a good note.
this ^^^^^^
:LOL: AT MAN’S GRAVI! Boy you crazy…
*
@Man…you have such a great sense of humor>>>>your gravi
@ Kingstonn: How old are you?
@ Jerrica, 21. Why?
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerrica says:
I was watching t.v. the other day, and they had this show on where it was a black kid and a white kid trying to steal a bike. When the white boy was doing it, nobody said a word and kept on walking by. When it was the black guys turn, everybody and they momma was trying to get him to stop and called the police and everything. It was a damn shame. Then when asked why they didn’t do anything to the white kid, they said it was because he was nice and they really didn’t think nothing of it. The hell?
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They have a show called “What Whould You Do”. I don’t know if we are talking about the same show, I don’t remember that episode. Each week they have different scenerio w/diff ethnic groups. Once they had white kids spary paint a vehicle, nobody called the police. When the black kids did it everyone couldn’t wait to call 911. There was even a episode w/black kids sleeping in a car, ppl called the police on them.
In the Kandi post you asked were you the youngest.
@JERRICA
“I was watching t.v. the other day, and they had this show on where it was a black kid and a white kid trying to steal a bike. When the white boy was doing it, nobody said a word and kept on walking by. When it was the black guys turn, everybody and they momma was trying to get him to stop and called the police and everything. It was a damn shame. Then when asked why they didn’t do anything to the white kid, they said it was because he was nice and they really didn’t think nothing of it. The hell?”
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I saw that chit too. It’s a show called “What Would You Do?” on ABC. They have scenario’s like that all the time and it never fails, a nigga is treated like they SAW him kill JFK over the most minute chit.
SMH.
@ Anna: Is the host black man? I think he’s mixed with something though. That was my first time seeing it.
Man, I just don’t care™ says:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!!!
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ditto. (if your whoaing at what i think)
@ Anna,
I love that show! I just hate how most of the people act when they find out it was a show. Lying they asses off when they know they’re just being subconsciously racist. People even tried to help the white dude steal that bike.
Man: Yeah I had never seen it before and I was shocked! Well not really because that’s how they always treat us.
@ACE
”
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!!!
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ditto. (if your whoaing at what i think)
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I am my nigga, I am.
I love that show! I just hate how most of the people act when they find out it was a show. Lying they asses off when they know they’re just being subconsciously racist. People even tried to help the white dude steal that bike.
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They sure did! One man did help the black boy though.
Man, I just don’t care™ says:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Que?
*adds “What Whould You Do?” to his program listing to be added to his DVR*
kingstonn says:
@ Anna,
I love that show! I just hate how most of the people act when they find out it was a show. Lying they asses off when they know they’re just being subconsciously racist. People even tried to help the white dude steal that bike.
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I love it too, because is does show that everyone is not a good samaritian. I see more women come to the rescue than men.
@KINGSTON
“I love that show! I just hate how most of the people act when they find out it was a show. Lying they asses off when they know they’re just being subconsciously racist. People even tried to help the white dude steal that bike.”
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This they FAVORITE lie:
“I would have done the same thing no matter the race blah blah blah.”
But the national guard get called out when a nigga park in the handicap spot. SMH at these yt folk.
@KINGSTON
“WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Que?
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It’s a nigga thing.
This they FAVORITE lie:
“I would have done the same thing no matter the race blah blah blah.”
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*give Man the “nod”*
Alright folks I’m outta here. see you all tomorrow…
@ Anna, Did you see the one with the Black lady who went shopping in SoHo in NY, & the Shop Owner tried to kick her out cause ‘you people keep stealing’? I was soooo pissed.
kingstonn says:
@ Anna, Did you see the one with the Black lady who went shopping in SoHo in NY, & the Shop Owner tried to kick her out cause ‘you people keep stealing’? I was soooo pissed.
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That one pissed me off. LOL. How about the one w/the abused gf in a restaurant w/their abusive bf. It did make a diff of some ppls percetion by what the girl was wearing. SMH. Abuse is Abuse.
ok so got like 10 min left at work i think this shi! right here is some bull shi! just because you are white does not mean u get a slap in the hand and ur on ur way out the door
@man whooooooaaa stop dont start with that shi!
@kingston u will catch on to his crazy azz
@ Ace…………Thanx
@LAKERCRAZY
“whooooooaaa stop dont start with that shi!”
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**Kanye Voice**
“A hundred, thousand, trillion…”percent innocent this time.
@man watever i see what u see and im glad its gone
@dimp baby got back no homo
Thank Laker. How’s the lil dollface today?
lakercrazy says:
@dimp baby got back no homo
What night does What Would You Do come on?
@dimp she is good im out fo real now yall be good @kingston
ok ok im gone see ya
@ Laker……….I’mma hafta find me a doctor to get some work done though.
#BishGotTwoInchesOfHipAndABunchOfThigh
@Mz Dimplez and @Kingston…ya’ll taking turns put up the sexy pics…
Hey @ Corp Thankx
They are truly trippin! I know plenty of folks that got into with cops and NONE of them EVER got probabtion! ALL of them were doing time! even if they were just running. That’s bologna
I guess if they had it their way SLAVERY never happened in America
mirsmommy says:
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MzDimplez1123 says:
What night does What Would You Do come on?
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Friday. Some times they will air a re run on a diff day.
Society has taught the american public how to treat our people… it is so common to be mistreated, displaced, disrespected and denounced by our very own! my people we are losing.. And im glad Judge Williams was willing to step out and call it out… Check out this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQXh-v3IZ4c&feature=related
HE WAS SPEAKING THE TRUTH-IF THE DEFENDANT WERE BLACK-AND THE JUDGE WERE WHITE HE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MAXIMUM PENALTY OR SENTENCE
I’M GLAD HE WASN’T AFRAID TO SAY IT!!! SOCIETY HAS FOLKS SO AFRAID TO CALL OUT RACISM-EVEN WHEN IT’S BLATANT AND OBVIOUS LIKE RODNEY KING!
EVERY JUDGE HAS THE RIGHT TO ISSUE EITHER THE MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM SENTENCE FOR A CRIME WITHIN THE LAW-MINORITIES STATISTICALLY RECEIVE THE MAXIMUM SENTENCES, NOT ;IKE THE MINIMUM THAT WAS OFFERED FOR THIS DEFENDANT
BUT LIKE MOST VICTIMS OF RACISM, THEY FIND A WAY TO RATIONALIZE JUST TO COPE WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAN CAN DO
The judge was dead right, but he handled it clumsily that’s why they made him recuse himself.
The white folks ain’t shyt. But if you openly confront them, you have to be able to back your shyt up.
Judge didn’t have actual statistics even though he knew what time it was.
So what he should have done is keep finding fault with the plea until they get it right. Using OTHER reasons.
Now they gonna be watching every move he makes and will probably try to get him off the bench at some point.
#gottaopposeoppressionstrategicallynotovertly
but kudos to him for trying and to all who are willing to stand up!
Her female co-host said whatever Sandra Rose don’t do for you NB does.
It may have been an inappropriate thing to say, but he was telling the truth. Blacks statistically get longer sentences than their white counterparts. I don’t think that the judges statements were racist, just facts.
Whoever asked….that “What Would You Do” show comes on Fridays at 9.
I saw one where this guy at a bakery refused to sell to a Muslim woman. White people were in there high-fiving this dude and shyt..calling her “towel head” and “camel-rider” I was
When they found out it was a show they were mad as hell!!! I guess being racist is cool as long as you’re in the company of other racists 
Mornin Fam!!!
Rene I watch that all the time. I was pissed when I saw the one where the chick was drunk at the bar and a guy slipped somethin in her drink and was tryin to take her home and alot of the men didnt say anything!
I went hunting for the show to add to my DVR and i couldn’t find it…
what network was is on again?
i hate my morning radio station…they said C. Milli. announced to her family that she was indeed pregnant (family member leaked) and it was indeed by Mr. Ruxpin. I swear this better not be true. i know Milli denied the rumors once but to hear this a second time….I’m starting to believe.
Mornin fam!!
Judge Williams was doing the right thing in my opinion, bottom line blacks have always gotten harsher punishments for crimes they commit
good morning sr fam
im soooooo ready for the weekend 
@brown kim and rene how yall ladies doing this morning 
hey laker!! i always say hi but you ignore me
@kimi i sawy
girl i come in here hiding and chit from the boss who keep passing by like “what u doing??” never ignore nobody 
but how is your morning going i got to go to this training from 9-4 all flukn day im pissd 
KI KI KI KIMMAAYYYY!
:wave: morning all!
@Ace It comes on ABC…but I dunno if the season is over cause the ones I saw were in the summer.
Morning Folks
Hope everyone has a great day!!!
Thanks Rene…i jsut looked up a few episodes on youtube. Its done by 20/20 so I’ll try searching for that.
I forgot to say Morning to everyone …1 day closer to Friday 1 that much closer to nice 3 day weekend. :banana:
damn forgot the smiley..
FLOOOOOOOOOHEEEEEZZZZEEEYYYYY
@laker its cool LOL you know i still LUBS you and i do the same thing. as soon as they walk by i pull the excel sheet up like im doing something productive HAHAHA.
Hey brooooownaaaay and flo
Kimi I just cant believe how they acted yesterday! I was
and :shamed: at the same time!
@brown u shoulda been proud they learn from the best
Oh I almost forgot! 93 BYTCHES! YAY ME
@brown i cant this morning its to dam early…….
Every time I see “Yay Me” I think of that episode on the Cosby show where Rudy wsa turnin 5 I think and she did somethin by herself and said yay me!
what happened yesterday? i was so darn busy i didnt even see! and you are silly #95 bytches LOL
dammit laker LOL you stole my #
Kimi you have to go back to the kanye post
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renegadesince1985 says:
Whoever asked….that “What Would You Do” show comes on Fridays at 9.
I saw one where this guy at a bakery refused to sell to a Muslim woman. White people were in there high-fiving this dude and shyt..calling her “towel head” and “camel-rider” I was When they found out it was a show they were mad as hell!!! I guess being racist is cool as long as you’re in the company of other racists
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Wow, what kinda madness is this? I’ve never heard of such a show. Is it new?
Morning rene, BROWN, kimi, laker, Ace, and any lurkers.
I see y’all getting started early today.
Where is Ms. Rose?
#104
Yay me. Boo you.
AL it’s been comin on for a while. John Quinones is the host and they stage different sceneraios to see how people would respond
yso I forgot “SOUTH SIYEED”
Thanks Brown. Odn’t know where I’ve been. Clearly I am not up on the new TV shows
East Side, Wild Hunneds
WEST SIIIIIIDE!!!
Sandra needs to come on. The idle mind IS the playground for the debil.
Am I the only one who watches that show Ma’s Roadhouse????
MORNING EVERYONE!!!!!!!
You guys acted a pure honest fool yesterday
*Doing the no hands dance in BEL*
Morning Roll call: Heeeey Brown, Flo, AttyMom, Laker, Yso, Al-Ameera, Kimi (Ms. Legs)
@Awesome, I put the Wild in the Wild, Wild Hundreds
Good Morning Yall
*throwin up the Rat Stacks gang sign*
EAST COAST!!!!!!!
*Okay yall, we gon behave for the rest of the day*
Heyyyy CHB
@MissHarlem
which post…I have to catch up
Heeey Mirs…you and that dayum cat
I do miss that pink bide you won’t let me ride 
I ALWAYS behave. My comments are just taken out of context for nefarious purposes.
CorporateHoodB-tch says:
@MissHarlem which post…I have to catch up
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CorporateHoodB-tch says:
Heeey Mirs…you and that dayum cat I do miss that pink bide you won’t let me ride
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I gotta represent for all the Rat Stacks around the world, that’s against “nappy hair”, and that are done with black men.
RAT STACKS REPRESENT!!!!!
#ratnation
ysoserious says:
@ mirs
I ALWAYS behave. My comments are just taken out of context for nefarious purposes.
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Sure YOU behave. Does bullchitsu come to mind?????
I heard it was you that started that whole fiasco yesterday, anyway. 
#ratnation
What happened to behaving?
hey yso how are you this morning
hey corporate
i forgot to say SOUTHSIDE too brownaaaaay while i do the cupid shuffle on that azz LOL
MEERKAT!!!!!!! I always behave I’m just misunderstood! People just read too much into my comments!
Come on yall its too early for me to be up in here cracking up!!
CHB they acted a dam fool in the Kanye post!
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I was only offering a legitimate answer to a very legitimate question.
BROWNSUGAPOET says:
MEERKAT!!!!!!! I always behave I’m just misunderstood! People just read too much into my comments!
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Brownie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure you always behave, I believe you. 
@mirs…so @yso started it, huh?
Heyyyyy Harlem
CorporateHoodB-tch says:
@mirs…so @yso started it, huh?
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Meerkat how dare you! I’m a victim of my environment! Due to my low self esteem I tend to gravitate towards what ever may be popular at the moment and since I had abandonment issues try and stick with the “in” crowd! Im really a scared little girl inside and just wanna be loved!
@mirs…The ususal suspects Brown & Man *flashing a security guard flashlight at them*
BROWNSUGAPOET says:
Meerkat how dare you! I’m a victim of my environment! Due to my low self esteem I tend to gravitate towards what ever may be popular at the moment and since I had abandonment issues try and stick with the “in” crowd! Im really a scared little girl inside and just wanna be loved!
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Hell naw…I just spit out my
BROWNSUGAPOET says:
Meerkat how dare you! I’m a victim of my environment! Due to my low self esteem I tend to gravitate towards what ever may be popular at the moment and since I had abandonment issues try and stick with the “in” crowd! Im really a scared little girl inside and just wanna be loved!
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@CHB
If you Wild Hunneds you say like I spelled it! I’m so far removed but still can’t jap out to a song without droppin rakes!
Kimi she needed to get her azz up anyway!
BROWNSUGAPOET says:
Meerkat how dare you! I’m a victim of my environment! Due to my low self esteem I tend to gravitate towards what ever may be popular at the moment and since I had abandonment issues try and stick with the “in” crowd! Im really a scared little girl inside and just wanna be loved!
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OH wait, when I did my SOUTH SIYEED I forgot to throw up my Folks sign *throws up Folks anad walks out*
LOL you aint lying *whispering to myself shyt im sleepy too but my blackazz stay up all day at work doing her dayum job*
And this my dear BROWN is the reason you have your very own furniture in the
RE: Yesterday
What BROWN said.
#thatsmystoryandimstickingtoit
Peace and blessing to @CB – The Corporate Queen.
INTENSEMOCHA, I don’t konw if you’re on here on not but I just saw your picture for the first time and you’re pretty.
AWESOME ARSENAL says:
@CHB
If you Wild Hunneds you say like I spelled it! I’m so far removed but still can’t jap out to a song without droppin rakes!
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Jap out? You are def from the Hunneds. Joe, I only hear that when I go back home. I’m also far, far, far removed from old days of doing doughnuts on Doty Rd, hanging at White Castle on 79th, then hitting the lakefront. Fun times!!!
pinksghetti says:
INTENSEMOCHA, I don’t konw if you’re on here on not but I just saw your picture for the first time and you’re pretty.
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I have been wanting to tell her the same thing. Great minds think alike!
145 attorneymom says:
Peace and blessing to @CB – The Corporate Queen.
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Awww shucks, I got a new title. I will use it to keep myself in check when the HoodB*tch wants to come out and play.
CorporateHoodB-tch says:
pinksghetti says:
INTENSEMOCHA, I don’t konw if you’re on here on not but I just saw your picture for the first time and you’re pretty.
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I have been wanting to tell her the same thing. Great minds think alike!
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I agree, but is it just me, she seems more calm since she got married. When I saw her wedding pic and her new Gravi yesterday, she is not the same person. It’s all good though.
Waving at @Anna!! That is you Anna formerly known as the crying baby??
Anna says:
CorporateHoodB-tch says:
pinksghetti says:
INTENSEMOCHA, I don’t konw if you’re on here on not but I just saw your picture for the first time and you’re pretty.
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I have been wanting to tell her the same thing. Great minds think alike!
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I agree, but is it just me, she seems more calm since she got married. When I saw her wedding pic and her new Gravi yesterday, she is not the same person. It’s all good though.
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THANKS LADIES-
@ ANNA
I AM VERY MUCH THE SAME PERSON, MY PREVIOUS PIC JUST NEVER SHOWED MY ENTIRE FACE OR EXPRESSION
attorneymom says:
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Kandi is not the person you think she is. She’s dogged Tiny out in the past too. But Tiny is forgiving. I’m not as forgiving as Tiny is.