Media mogul Queen Latifah says her most challenging movie role was playing an aggressive butch lesbian in the 1996 film Set It Off.
The 46-year-old New Jersey native recently sat down with actress Tracee Ellis Ross for an in-depth interview in the March 2017 issue of IN-STYLE magazine.
On playing the role of militant bank robber Cleo in Set It Off, Latifah, whose real name is Dana Owens, said she warned her younger siblings that there might be public backlash to their big sister playing a gay character on the big screen. The hip-hop community frowned upon homosexuality (and still does).
“When I got the role of amateur bank robber Cleo Sims in Set It Off, I sat down with my younger siblings and told them, ‘Listen, I’m playing a gay character. Your classmates might tease you or say negative things about it. But I’m doing it because I believe I can bring positive attention to the gay African-American community, and I believe that I can do a great job as an actor.’ They understood, and when those things inevitably happened in school, they were OK with it.”
Although Latifah has lived an openly lesbian lifestyle with a plethora of women over the decades, her closet door remains firmly bolted from the inside.
Queen Latifah on overcoming her insecurity about her weight:
“I used to get caught up in comparing myself, especially in terms of body type, but I realized that often the people I envied were missing important things that I had in abundance — I’ve had romance and danger, family to come home to, and open-mindedness. It’s great to have plans and a vision for your life, but it’s more important to be open to the unexpected. That’s the secret to living a juicy, magical life.”
On her admiration for untapped talent Solange Knowles:
“I respect people who started from the bottom and then grinded up—the ones who work as hard as I did when I started rapping. I’ve been a fan of Solange Knowles from the beginning. The biggest artist in the world is her older sister, yet she never relied on that. It doesn’t matter to me if the masses know who you are. I care about how you behaved when you were broke and whether you’ve stayed loyal to the people who rolled along with you back then—that’s the good sh-t.”
I luv hurh? Give it to em Queen??
I’m confused isn’t she gay? She must be talking about the overall role like the aggressive part. She’s a beautiful woman.
Is misquoting someone libelous? Real question.
She is a gay woman, yes… She has never come out and said it tho..
I’m glad she doesn’t feel the need to make a whole announcement about her private life….
I love the queen.. Just don’t agree with her lifestyle..
I love Queen….. and how she keeps her private life private
QL…please go sit down some where. I do make this conversation point all the time. It’s sad we went from U-N-I-T-Y to the garbage we have today. Confusion every where
Me too. It’s really not our business.
Ion care about her lifestyle or none of that bull. I just love her.
Looked natural to me. Like Denzel Washington in his Flight role, “they” kept talking about.
set it off is one of my fave movies??
I’m happy she was lucky enough to make a career out of it all. Heck, not many make it past the first hit song. I wonder if she has a pension?
That was the best death scene I have ever seen..I think CLEO( Queen latifah)and Alonso (Denzel in training day) had the best death scenarios. ….
Girls kissing girls is unity.
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I love Queen Latifah! She’s always on her grind and lives her life the way she wants to live it. All hail the Queen!!!
I remember when this movie came out and MamaButter was discussing her character with my older cousins. “The way she kissed her was a little too realistic for me.” LOL.
actress Tracee Ellis Ross
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This pic of young Tracee (bottom left), her mom and her sisters (Rhonda and Chudney) is every damn thing. Saw it this weekend for first time.
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Repeat is back huh?
She’s a soft butch in real life. Those Cleo types wear my patience thin, our kids mom is a soft butch…lol
Those are Andy Warhol photos.
She was a little more tan huh, they must have had a pool.
Paging Ms. Harlem. Your boo up here girl
Yep. Andy Warhol
If I could ask the creator of proper puscee management one question, it would be how in the world she made that man believe Rhonda was his. Or did he know and put on a united front?
This movie had me in tears ? death scene and all.
During this movie, seeing it with a couple of friends as a teenager, one of my friends turned to us all and said “You think we can pull off robbing a bank” ?? A mess. He is now serving 20 yrs for robbing a couple of dodegas.
I love her .. what she does what her cat ain’t my concern.
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He knew and put on a united front is my understanding. And Gordy knew and shut the hell up. But lied to Rhonda til she was almost 30. I guess.
You and Cleo have much in common, right?
Where did it say she played herself? Did I miss something?
Ahh, hahah… That picture has me rolling..
Nope. Queen don’t hate herself.
Lol…where u been bro…
Google libel hun
Folks still in that Beyoncé post lol
Umph, umph, umph! She’s a sensei.
LOL u know thats Sandra being Sandra. Cleo a lessy, Latifah a lessy, allegedly.
I don’t think she’s working to keep her sexuality a secret. She just doesn’t talk about it, that’s all.
It irritates the life outta me that Dana has a Grammy, an Emmy Award, a Golden Globe and an Oscar nod and all folks can discuss is her sexual orientation. A girl who started in rap. I mean Ice Cube and LL went on to do movies (in LL case a few shows too) but they arent decorated like SHE is. It just makes me hella damn MAD. STFU about this already folks. SO WHAT?
Gotta work more than “good time”.
Possible witchcraft gets folks going.
I was going to post the same thing.
You know how Sandra takes liberties with sh!t.
Sandra better come off those quotes before she gets sued for libel.
how are ya?
Quick question? Do y’all know what efficacy is?
It comes with the celebrity territory. I respect her for never addressing it though.
Coupled with Beyonce they lose it
Yes. In medical sense?
She should do an album where she covers all Ice Cube songs as Cleo.
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KDub: It irritates the life outta me that Dana has a Grammy, an Emmy Award, a Golden Globe and an Oscar nod and all folks can discuss is her sexual orientation.
Because as a people our black race is obsessed with sex.
People want to know who you’re fugging so they can fugg you.
People always get frustrated with me because I don’t but they want to know about my business because they want to bed me.
Its stupid as HELL.
In general. Stephen A gave the definition after the other guy used it. I’m like dude folks know what it means
Yep, the ability to produce a desired result. Stupid WordMasters from middle school.
I think queen feels that if you don’t come out and say you are in a heterosexual relationship, why should she come out and say she’s in a gay relationship? She sees nothing wrong with what she is doing so why make a thing of it by “coming out”. That’s just my opinion…
LMAOOOO. Im crine. in CRO/med world its used all the time in re to pharmaocology and the absorption of meds into the system after dosing. I was like what the hell you done took trying to see how fast it makes it to your liver? *cries*
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if folks didn’t know what it meant.
Nice post but could’ve been better without the shade.. I told someone the other day Sandra does not support black success unless its from trash ass reality tv stars
??????? #accurate
Because as a people our black race is obsessed with sex.
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Black folks not the only folks to speculate on Dana sexuality tho.
I just think it was smug of him to give a quick wod lesson. I’m like sir talk.
Lol! Why do I google that lol
LOL. I don’t care much for Stephen anyway. I tune him out when I see him on the teebee.
Love the pic. Queen looks so pretty here.
Hey… Doing great!!! It’s a wonderful Monday!
Queen Latifah is one of the few artists that despite all her success never seem to forget where she came from.
She is so successful and she keeps her business to her self and protects her brand and image for women. She is such a positive powerful black woman. A lot of actresses seem so fake and phoney she always seems to keep it real and stay true to her culture.
His name irks me…..especially that Mr. Perfect, Do No Wrong Persona!! But let me hush!
I agree… She still seems like she’s around the way or down the block even though she’s been in Hollywood for years…
I have always been a fan of her take on this. Do people go around proclaiming they are heterosexual? So why is the proclamation needed when one is gay?
If more people just lived their lives then the foolishness wouldn’t be fed and would just go away. Who folks choose to be with physically is their own business. I wish more folks would just shut up about it actually lol. Who cares?
She is one of the few women that dont rely on sexuality so it does not matter. She doesnt make it an issue (Thank God) and so I dont even think about it when I see her.
She has shown range in her acting ability…..moreso than others, which shows that she was serious about this transition. The others may have been, but Dawn’s body of work shows it.
It’s that Voodoo that she do so well!! CTHU
Although Latifah has lived an openly lesbian lifestyle with a plethora of women over the decades, her closet door remains firmly bolted from the inside.
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Woman make up your mind…is she openly gay or nah….this here statement makes no sense at all
#ReasonNumber 34093538745 Why I Don’t like Stephen A.
CHILE!!!
What you say, “Cut all that damn double speak out!” LOL
The fact that she never felt the need to address it is what I respect the most about her. Dana has been around for a very long time, many things has been said about it her sexual orientation but never, not ever has she once felt the need to defend or even reference it. I love her.
What yall in here doin’? Is it safe to come in?
SiSTAR’s, how yall feelin’?
BrotHEIRS, yall alright?
Exactly, and the way the words playing myself are written in quote marks is very misleading. She did not state those words.
You’re safe in here. Just remember, I’m an artist, so I’m sensitive about my ish.
Yes, but I’m a nerd lol.
Nowhere at all…..Sandra stays on BS
Hail to the Queen!!’ I just lovvvvvee Solange too!!!! Black girl majic!! ????
‘d be more surprised if people could pronounce it. It’s not that common.
Even if that’s not her feelings it’s true…it’s nobody’s business what you do behind closed doors.
He trying to be funny huh
He was probably trying to reassure hisself. LOL Who is this man again?
I have always loved and respected Queen! Love that she lives her life and is happy with who she is. I get why she addressed the role with her siblings. I went to HS with her brother (he’s two years younger I think) and our school was teeny tiny! Whole school knew everyone’s business before homeroom. I had just graduated when set it off came out but I’m sure folks got at him about her role. She even spoke at his graduation. She’s cool with me.
So I have been doing research on and thinking of getting a daith piercing. Does anyone know anyone who has gotten one and do they really work for migraines? So far folks are saying there was a decrease, but not as many.
Which is what I wish folks would talk about. She is indeed a great actress which is why she is award winning. So much more to her than THAT (the gay or straight speculation).
HE always trying to be damn funny. Ass.
THIS! She’s sooooo talented and does so much for others but all anyone ever wants to talk about is her private life. I respect that she never faked the funk with beard relationships and such. Everyone in NYC metro area knew what it was with her from way back when but it’s nobody’s business unless she chooses to share. She had DONE the damn thing in her career for 30 frickin years! Let Dana live
LMAO
Maybe Sandra meant that although she doesn’t hide her love for the lifestyle, We still don’t know if she’s in the closet or not because it’s “bolted” from the inside.. a metaphor…
I could be wrong…
And more knowledgeable than everyone else. He is truly an Azz in REAL LIFE, especially to the women who choose to deal with him…..as for the ones who have procreated with him…one curved the hell out of him and deals on her terms and the other one has purchased a house, because he didn’t like her neighborhood (In other words, he couldn’t hide his visits).
You so kind!! giving her the benefit of the doubt.:)
I dont think she’s hiding anything. I just think she feels that its isnt anyones business. Im pretty sure her friends and family members know whats up. No one else needs to know…
A friend of mine has one. But she got hers way back about 20+ years ago (damn that seems like a long time ago – but not really). LOL She didn’t do it for migraine purposes tho. She did it because we were in our teens and everybody else was getting tats and she couldn’t get one. She was being “different” (read: trying to be hard without getting in trouble) and got that piercing. The ONLY thing she said about it (at the time) was that it hurt like hell.
trying is the operative word
Bloop
Buuuutttt I thought you were a lesbian too soooooo ?
Hey honey. I am good. how you is?
I know it is going to hurt…….that area is more gristle than anything….but it beats the hell out of taking meds and having to work through them. I am seriously considering it as an option, but definitely want to make sure it is worth all the discomfort (heard the healing is a bit of a bytch too).
I’ve had nose, eyebrow and tongue piercings……and have 1 tat. Had considered nipple, but some folks lost sensation in theirs and one of my friends said it took quite a while for her pucci piercing to heal and she had to refrain from secs for like 8 or more weeks….so I passed in that!
Always fails!!
She is and she hates it!!
People be inspired by the craziest things…smh
True
I wanted a nose piercing a long time ago, but nahhhh!
She never said she was playing herself in that role
her pucci piercing to heal and she had to refrain from secs for like 8 or more weeks
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?? What in the world! I was completely healed in 2 weeks. It’s one of the faster healing piercings due to the amount of blood flow. That makes me wonder if the piercer literally pierced her cl!t.
Yes that is kind of me because I’m actually mad at Sandra right now… But I sometimes get her humor…
An Oscar nod is nothing to shake a stick at. for a BLACK woman. Of OUR time. OUR hip hop culture. A huge percentage of folks who log in here cant recall when there wasnt hip hop in our lives. And it was very much male dominated and still is. She helped break barriers for women in that culture by itself. Lets celebrate her FOR THAT.
I think it was her cli!t, not sure, just remember her saying it took that long to heal and I think she was told this before she got it done. I was like….No, Thank you!!
Yes
DANA!!!
Fellow Jersey Girl! Thank your for sharing your talent
Nah. The cli!t should never be pierced. The skin on top of it vertically (VCH), horizontally (HCH), or behind the nerve bundle (triangle) is what should be pierced. If he goes through the cl!t, major damage can be done and feeling could be lost.
New post! Let’s do Grammy award show fashion etc.
fugg around and be numb there for life ?
Was watching black ink last night. What’s wrong with Sky. Y’all like Tiffany?
Who is this girl?
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Sky is nuts…probably bipolar just like her mother… I like the Tiffany chick more than I do Bae ratchet azz. Bae just seems like she’s doing the most and i don’t believe her story line
Malaysia Pargo… I think her real name is LaKeshia but she’s bougie now
Thanks hun.
She looks like a basketball case/wife… one of the LA crew? Some fake @ss exotical name…Malaria? Singapore?
Thought that was her but she done changed her face or maybe it’s just contouring?
What she win?
Sky needs to deal with the demons that are haunting her and learn to take accountability for her actions. I’m still not sure how I feel about Tiffany. I’m leaning towards no. The only folks I’ve ever liked on that show are Sassy and Walt.
Laquisha Malaysia Gilbert Pargo of Compton California I do believe.
I think I would just rollover and die, Jen. I researched for a good 6 months before I decided to do it. I would only trust Elayne Angel or someone she trained to do my piercings.
Those the only ones I like too. And “Richard” wife. Did she really leave a good job for this crackhead?
I cant play games like that with my lady bug. No bueno. I need her and she needs me. We is one.
Supposedly. She did say she left her baby to move clear across the country. I can’t respect that.
She looks hella different.
Oh Lord! Not the whole Bio LMAO
She was in your homeboy Ludacris video back when.
Why did I laugh?! She hated being called Laquisha.
Exactly why I said her whole name.
She really does. From season 1 til now is crazy.
She finally got her permanent veneers. Those temporary ones were dreadful. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e78b25d7db9c3711e87701426e87909391b7308db2190c24d19ef32bf426fe1.gif
right! That was her past…she left that life behind
YUP……glad I read before I wrote all them names. AKA The Girl Who Clocked Big Azzed Laura Govan and made Gilbert day that episode!! CTHU
She indeed said that on a reunion show didnt she?
Heavier looking to me
At all. Not for a better job. Not cause the man she been dating and married got a good job. A junkie who admitted he didn’t go to rehab. Disgusting. Crack peen must be sensational.
I think she really wants fame…in any way she can get it.
They need to bring him back.
Sportscaster/commentator/pain in de AYS
She has a really nasty attitude too; rubs people wrong
Then she tried to justify it by saying it’s selfish to uproot her son from his life. Ma’am, at 7 years old, he is your life, and you should choose better people to share in it than Richard. Just admit that you’re chasing addicted dack and move along.
Her azz reverted last season when she pulled up to that party in sweats!! That was ALL LaQuisha from Compton there https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f8f8f082bfb1ed78cec79c078edde42f2841dfd211c5086455d3762ee670b6e.jpg
They can give his extra behind a peach, and I would be here for it.
Ok!! Brandi brought that hood right back out of her. They were team petty for real. She parked the G Wagon in the middle of the street to “fight” LMAO
Only junkies do that. I’m convinced.
?? Exactly! She did that and gets her production credits too. Stays down to Earth but Dana and her family will be good for generations. And she does it on HER terms! She will forever be Dana from Jersey. No apologies ?????
I havent watched since his era and if Dwight Eubanks returned I would as well. I LOVED HIM.
Im behind. But I am crying at this whole entire visual.
That wasn’t petty…that was some Real GF shyt right there. I don’t care what she did wrong, I’ll discuss that with her later…Bytch What you do?!
He was the best lol
Hair in a bun. Wonder did she have Vaseline on
OMG I am dying!!! Is that the same girl for real?! She looks like she’s bout to sneak one of them with a mean ass jab real quick. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
He kept it REAL with Sheree and that clothing line. About everything.
I think baby oil, cause she was a little shiny and on GO!!
HIS HAIR!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOO
“What is a fashion show without fashions? How dreadful.” I was dead and gone.
Wash and go on fleek! LOL
RIGHT!!! ???
VChild one phone call from her gf, heard loud talking in background…told nanny “Hold the twins right quick!!”
Girl. GIRLLLLLLLLLLLL. Now THOSE were the prime viewing days of that show. Right after DeShawn left. Pre-Porsha and nem. I used to hurry through ALL my Sunday evening stuff just to watch.
Love Ms. Owens she’s achieved so much.
Yessssss! I would tune in again for Dwight. Loved his deadpan delivery.
+1
Chile…..yeen lyin. She get on my nerves a week out the month. But other than that….we goodt
Is this Lauren London?
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Nope. She might be an up and coming reality starruh!!
I used to leave family dinners and be like its 430. I gotta go get ready for the week and then watch RHOA. Bye! Or if we hosted everyone OUT by 5 pm. *snot*
I just can’t get with Kenya, Cynthia, and Kandi. Porsche and Phaedra bring comedy. Sheree brings messiness. Every week Kandi bring a new “friend” with her. Been on the show 8 seasons and always find someone new to bring for backup.
Nah.
Not on a good day.
I think that bytch lying or she was about to be fired and snatched up his azz for fame.
Porscha had be in tears last night. When Marlo brought up the rumor about Kandi, Porscha was acting like I was when my main boo caught me all up under my side boo at IHOP after the club one night.
Looks nothing like her ?
Solange ain’t never been broke and Cleo was no role model. What you talkin about Dana?
Hey Sweets!
Sky on some shyt and although I am not a Tiffany fan, she did stand up to her.
We discussed Skye bs in one of the other post. She is used to manipulating men to get her way and she damn sure played Ted, Caesar, etc. Walt the only one that really just looks at her when she acting crazy, but none of them call her mixie azz out!!
Lol! So one time I had went out with this one guy, but he was boring. This around the time hubby and I met. We were out and why we see him!! I kept walking ??
Queen Latifah feels like she’s maintaining a sense of privacy by not coming out but that’s kinda pointless when the whole wide world knows that you’re just a big ole ‘Mo.
She sure did and married Richard without having met his kids or family and he didn’t meet hers…not even her son! Baby looked confused as hell when he got there.
re: post down below ….Black Christians are the hardest people to try to reason with. Y’all so caught up in talking about the devil and evil etc. These were our gods before whites beat our culture, language and religion out of us and forced us into Christianity. Sad…
? Girl, my boo made an entire scene. My bestie was cracking up, and I was looking around like everyone else trying to figure out who he was talking to. Bwahahahahaha
Yup, Bae is full of it and she chose Tiff to fight cause she felt it was an easy win, but she would look tough for Sky!
Shit, not on a bad day either.
Kandi and Phaedra was barely on back then. It was Nene. Kim. Sheree. Lisa. Who it was mainly focused on. Kandi, Phae and Cynthia was on but not like featured people. I watched ONE part season with Porsha and then I had to go.
Upvote, but Puh Leeze leave them down there!!
Poor baby was looking like, “Harpo, who these people?!”
Not on a Wayne Day you say?!
And her friends smizing. Like you for real?
Which is why I was like…I shall pass!!
Talmbout, “This is your sister Lulu.” That boy didn’t know Lulu from WhoWho. Too much too fast.
Oh them heffas was like…..you fine our dummies yet? Cause we done had the baby all this time and ready to “come up”.
Folks in general irritate me on trying to make others believe in what THEY do. Let folks believe and research for themselves and form their own without name calling etc. I HATE that about here. Know what you believe or feel is just that. Your belief or feeling. Not everyone gonna share in it. Are they being real ugly still? My GOODNESS.
He like….when you had a baby mama?! How come I ain’t know? Wait you ain’t been gone that long. And why you hugging me like we cool? Bytch I see you 2 times a month with supervision!!
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Honey, I’ve already been wished well on not going to heaven before 10am.
The climate has just changed and I HATE IT
Why BASH folks for what they believe in. And the thing is most of us state what we feel and move forward just like @Datsmdubya2u2:disqus said. Its the whole folks trying to convert others that makes me so MAD.
A mess. A mess. I can’t cosign foolishness.
Can’t. Shan’t. Won’t.
New post
Sandra and this headline!
ROFLMAO!
Not the gubment name ???
I don’t know how to say this. And I don’t want to say this because Queen Latifah is an accomplished sister. But I must say, Queen Latifiah is kinda full of isht.
How much flack would a lesbian get in 2017? Come on.
Yeah, I know it happens. Especially in black communities. But Latifiah ain’t in black communities. She in Hollywood.
She got deep issues not admitting this open secret.
She looks like a witch high priestess. Not feelin’ it…
I LOOOOOOOOVed her in set it off!!!! Her and frankie were my favorites …that scene when she died is a classic!!! Oscar approved. Man I hope they do remake!!!!
Did you see how Phaedra was drinking that wine, like, ‘please, please, don’t nobody bring up what I said’. She looked nervous as he11.
ya’ll give the white man too much credit. It’s hard for us to realize that they used our own book against us. To the point where when someone shows us where they deceived us and where the truth is in the book, we shoot it down quickly. the descendants of Ham, which are the Egyptians, Ethiopians and other “african” countries. Yes, they were serving those deities as “gods”. That’s the issue. We are tagging along onto these cultures that were never ours. Even the word “god” is the name of a demon. But, I won’t go into that now.
Yet, most of us on here are Negro and that means you’re the descendants of the same book that you despise. Are you aware that these same African people sold our ancestors into slavery to the Europeans? Yet, we are promoting their “gods”. Tragedy.
Completely agree. However she has just physically showed it. Its kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t. Because some people have complained that they hate the announcements. Just do you. Like when that one gay football player came out…everybody was like OK And?? So I don’t know. But I see what you saying
Sigh. I grow frustrated with “in the black community homosexuality is frowned upon.” I don’t doubt the salience of that statement, rather refute the idea that ALL black people are homophobic. I always say “I’m from New Orleans” LOL so here goes…I’m from New Orleans! LOL and the local music that is most revered among my people is bounce. In bounce music, most of the artists are gay guys! Saying that to say, anyone who is comfortable with themselves should not care about another’s sexual presentation!
So it depends. Thx
She was guzzling that Cupcake moscato like she only had 3 minutes to enjoy it. LOL
He’s like a know it all.
That’s how it SHOULD be, that people should worry about their own damn sexuality as opposed to somebody’s who they don’t even know. But that’s an unheard of concept in the Black Community, which has more self-appointed prophets, preachers and sin judgers than any other group per capita.
Of course, Black folks ignore every other Biblical sin EXCEPT homosexuality. Black folks are very hypocritical when it comes to gays, and everybody knows it.
By the way, gays have not always dominated bounce. Remember, Juvenile was essentially a bounce artist at one point. I believe Katey Red was the first to make an impact, around 1999 I think, and then came Freedia and Sissy Nobby. But gays dominanting bounce is a relatively recent development.
Exactly, just because our ancestors worshiped pagan gods back in the day doesn’t mean it is right. Those religions were cast down and utterly destroyed. I love my African history but we need to realize that we too were worshiping multiple gods. Thank The Most High for the Black Messiah, son of the living I AM.
Remake?! U do know that ALL the characters died with the exception of one..
The Bible, as I told you over the weekend, has been mistranslated and misinterpreted many, many times–and continues to be. However, it does not and never has endorsed white supremacy. Some Europeans misused it to buttress those views but its still not the case.
As I told you in our previous encounter, as someone who studied theology at one point, its obvious to me that you subscribe to Hebrew Israelite ideology, which is not in accordance with scripture, unfortunately. Whites using the scripture to promote white supremacy is really no different than blacks using it to promote black supremacy. This is where people get confused.
Loved her in set it off, she played the hell out of that role.
Okay, it was funny to.
When Kenya called Marlo a prostitute, Marlo just nodded her head, never denying it, like she didn’t give a fugz.
True. You see how the deception worked? It’s sad and scary
By the way, the word “god” is not used in scripture as the defining name of any demon; rather, the Hebrew word god is used to define someone possessing inordinate amounts of power but not reaching the status of God Himself, of course.
In that sense, Satan is referred to as a God (2 Corinthians 4:4); and so, conversely, are humans (Psalm 82:6); and likewise, so is Christ Himself (Titus 2:13-15). Same word, vastly different meanings.
But at no time is the word god in ancient Hebrew exclusively reserved for demons.
My friend! How was the rest of your weekend?
The scriptures doesn’t promote black supremacy. It promotes our history and the Way of Yah and The Messiah.
I subscribe to the Torah and Brit Cadesha. I dislike the word Gospel…before time called Godspell. It’s not a spell.
The scriptures has always been about and for the Hebrews. It’s been trodden down so much To the point where when the truth is found it’s called an ideology and a cult.
It’s sad when a person goes to theology school just to go further down the rabbits hole. Let me know when your ready
Stepping out for lunch. I’ll brb to respond
yes she did!! Love that movie among others that are my favs…..
Yes I don’t understand what more people want from her. Why does she need to climb the the roof tops with an big rainbow flag and say hey world I’m gay… did you here that I’m gay… smh. The only people she needs to sit down with, which I’m sure she has long ago, and say she gay is her closet family and friends. Everyone has seen pictures of her with girlfriends so what more do you want from the woman. If you’ve seen the reciepts with your own eyes why does she know have to take you by the hand and explain the reciepts. Lol. Let her live her life people.
Where did she say – “Playing Myself in Set It Off Was My Most Challenging Role”???
I missed that part.
My weekend was great, and I hope yours was as well. That said, I didn’t hear any more form you after I corrected you over the word “Reverend” in scripture. But I’m more than willing to have a theological discussion. Let’s go.
First off, not to attack your faith, but Hebrew Israelites miss a lot of points in their viewpoint of ancient doctrine.
To begin with, the word “gospel” is absolutely a proper and scriptural word. Jesus Himself used the Hebrew-Greek word it originates from, which is “euangelion”. Look it up please.
The scriptures were originally handed down to the Hebrews but God Himself wants everyone to equally receive The Word and to be saved (1 Timothy 2:5)– not just the Hebrews.
There’s no rabbit hole I’ve fallen into because I didn’t just stumble on any fringe religion. It sounds like, unfortunately, you have.
Luther Vandross never made statements either, no need, who cares?
Please do, I welcome your point of view.
Say it again! Christians do ignore any and all sins, but this one, fake!
Luther was pretty much pressured into staying quiet because of label obligations, not just a need for some privacy. Luther was made to believe his core fan base–black females–would abandon him were he to come out, although it was common knowledge that he and his boyfriend were together for over 10 years. And the fella he was with was not exactly behind the shadows.
For Luther–AND Freddie Jackson, I’ll point out, coming out was risky, not to throw Fred under the bus. Even with it being obvious, coming out would have been hard because of the nature of their fan base. These guys weren’t Sylvester and Boy George, Disco and Pop music queens–they were Soul and R&B artists dependent on a largely black female market to maintain their careers.
I just don’t see the point in keeping quiet about your sexuality when its not even a secret to begin with.
A secret would be mentioning that someone like, say, Tamar Braxton has a lesbian friend she’s been accused of bunking with. That would qualify as a secret.
Latifah is no secret. Neither is Tyler Perry. Just come out with it. People wanna know what you ain’t telling them. If you want privacy, ironically, you need to go public.
Latifah is an old skool celebrity. Not too many years ago, coming out was something only white celebs did. Latifah is fixated with the past.
I studied Judaism with Jews, and Hebrew with different Black Hebrew groups. I agree with what you are saying.
There are many levels of deception with the word “god”. I’ll try my best to simplify it.
The word “god” is not Hebrew. I believe it’s of German/Old English origin. They spoke Hebrew (Ibriy). So, the proper word is Elohim. Elohim means mighty one. You’ll find Elohim from Genesis to Revelations.
We do find where the word “God” originated from in the book of Yesha’Yahu (Isaiah).
Isaiah 65:11 – This is Yah here talking about the nation of Israel’s wicked ways…start from verse one if you desire the entire context.
“11“ But you are those who forsake ????, who forget My set-apart mountain, who prepare a table for GAD , and who fill a drink offering for Meni.”
Who are Gad and Meni?
H1408 – Gad: = “god of fortune” | a Babylonian deity
* H4507 – M?niy = “fate” or “fortune” | god of fate who the Jews worshipped in Babylonia
Gad is pronounced Gawd. It just so happens that all of our money says what? “In GOD we Trust”. Do you see the connection? This is a simple as it can get. I hope.
Meni – This could help explain where we get the word MONEY from.
You’re spot on regarding the other verses. Genesis 3:23 22 “And ???? Elohim said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever…” Again, you’re right about words having multiple meanings. John 3:16’s “world” is a perfect example.
Do you use a concordance?
Siblings? I thought she only had one brother who died in a motorcycle accident???
I think its important for high profile celebs to be honest with themselves, and that’s something Latifah seems to be grappling with. There’s a certain liberation that comes from coming out and being honest. And when you’re a major star, you inspire and motivate others.
Its a different dynamic for black versus white celebs who come out, so I agree with Latifah as far as what she said about being black and gay. Its not easy–especially when you’re a known quantity.
But folks know it, she knows it, and Ray Charles saw it before he died–just come on out Latifah. The real shock would be for her to say she ISN”T gay at this point, which she tried to do in a very futile and non-believing way before.
Mines was cool. I was shooting hoops when we were conversing.
Back to reverend. You made a statement by referring to me as a Reverend. As we all know, a Reverend, in today’s church is someone who preaches. Yet, you don’t find this in the scriptures. This is what I relayed. You won’t find anywhere when someone called themselves a reverend or the qualifications for a reverend. We find qualifications for a deacon and bishop tho.
We only find reverend mentioned once in the KJV (which I rather not use, but its cool). Dawid/David is saying that his name is Reverend. His name is to be feared. I hope we’re clear on that now.
You’re not attacking me. We just asking. It does appear that you’re holding onto the english vs the hebrew. Are you aware that the book of Matthi’Yahu was written in Hebrew? Correction* Brit Cadesha means Renewed Testament. The Covenant/Testament is not new but renewed. But, that’s another convo. My apologies for the slight confusion. I meant to say Besorah. The Hebrew word for “Tidings” aka Good News.
The Covenant is for Israel alone. Now, for those who are not Israel can still be saved if they believe, repent, believe on the Messiah, take on the covenant and keep the Torah. The Christian doctrine teaches replacement theology. This is incorrect and no where to be found in scripture.
Church folks miss a lot of points but it’d take all day to point it out.
Church folks miss a lot of points but it’d take all day to point it out.
Yeah, there was more pressure with their labels, I believe most assumed both men were gay! Only certain artist or entertainers feel free to come out even today in 2017! Many who come out today (‘ I’m fluid’), do so for the publicity in my opinion, not all, but it created a serious buzz for a minute ( Frank Ocean)! I think entertainers should stay in or come out, his or decision to make! Many of these people live quite an open gay life outside of cameras like Queen Latifah or The Brat! But, if it would affect an entertainer’s job offerings or money, I can understand staying in! You make a valid analogy!
There’s actually no need to simplify it for me although I will interpret your prolonged absence as you doing some studying to keep up. Wink.
That said, its important to remember the role that translation has played in the Bible as we know it today. Some ancient languages have died over time–wouldn’t you agree? During the time that the King James Bible, for instance, was translated, few people were living who had an understanding of ancient Hebrew. It was only through many years of archaeological discovery that much ancient Hebrew linguistic history was revealed because some of it simply was not widely available at various points in history.
Over time, ancient Hebrew words were translated into English for purposes of simplicity, since not many modern people have access to formal, ancient Hebrew-language educations.
That being said, euangelion is in fact, again, a proper term for the word god, and it was used widely in biblical times, as evidenced by Jesus’ use of the word.
I’m not sure why you brought up “Elohim” but, yes, the Bible is clear that the word was used to refer to God or even any perceived God-like figure. Keep in mind, also, that Elohim is frequently found in the scripture, particularly in Genesis, but denotes a PLURAL meaning–NOT just a singular deity.
What was the point you were attempting to make again?
I think its unfair for us to expect people to declare their sexual orientation.
Its a nice day for basketball. Now let’s get into it.
You were clear that the word “Reverend” was not in scripture at all, which I knew you were incorrect in stating. I merely responded to what you yourself maintained. I knew what you were TRYING to get across, however, you got ahead of yourself by saying something wasn’t there when in fact it was. But i’m glad you were able to correct yourself. Moving on.
Actually, Mathew would not have been written in “Hebrew”–the correct language would be “Aramaic”, which was the predominant Hebrew language of the time, and the one in which much ancient scripture was written.
And you should know that there is not unanimous consensus that Matthew was even written in Aramaic at all: and there is no existing evidence that conclusively points to Matthew having been written in anything other than Greek.
Please Google the Hebrew Gospel Hypothesis for more clarification.
It really is irrelevant to discuss who the intent of the Gospel was originally intended for, which is an unfortunate sticking point for most Hebrew Israelites. The fact is, God first delivered the scripture to the ancient Hebrews but His purpose was to ensure ALL mankind would receive it, according to scripture.
I think, considering the times we’re in, and especially when one is a celebrity or public figure, their sexuality is everybody’s business.
Once you become famous, you are in the public domain. As an entertainer or public figure, you’re now a product not just a person. People wanna know.
But a lot of good can come from someone coming out.
Think of young gay people living in some small town in Alaska or Mississippi or, more exotically, in some overseas nation, where these young folks may be constantly bombarded with negative commentary about gays and being belittled to the point of suicide because of that kind of abuse. Knowing that someone like Tyler Perry or Queen Latifah understands their struggle could inspire those young people.
Somebody had to be the first person to say Black Is Beautiful, and that helped us a n ethnic group. Sometimes people need reminders of their self worth.
And Queen Latifah is beyond the point where her sexuality could hurt her earnings, even if she weren’t already an obvious lesbian. She purposely and strategically went mainstream, and she did it rather successfully. There’s very little adversity in store for Latifah if she came out 20 minutes from now.
I simplify it for those who may be reading the conversation. I’m not the one that would make such claims of a particular language dying off. The earth is vast and filled with a lot of people and languages. Who’s to say that some remote village is still using an ancient language.
the language of which the scriptures were written in has never disappeared. Hebrew is still spoken and taught from the days of creation unto our time. Also, according to scripture, in the book of Jubilee – we’re told that Hebrew is the tongue (speech) of the creation – Jubilees 12:26.
The english has caused a lot to error and it’s vital for someone to always use a concordance to see what the Hebrew says.
Remember, words translate and names DON’T. Names transliterate. Big difference and this is where a lot of the confusion stems from.
It’s not profitable to use the KJV as any prime example for stating most cases. The KJV is NOT the authoritative translation as falsely taught in the church. This is the same book the removed the Most High’s name, the Messiahs name, the names of the prophets and more with pagan names, and anglo Saxon names. Are you aware that there are 10-12 books that are referenced in the KJV that are nowhere to be found in that version?
I understand you were taught that folks had limited knowledge of Hebrew so they had to carefully translate/transliterate certain words to make it easy to understand. That’s an absurd claim. This information has always been here and it has been suppressed by religion to think that way. And, how can one claim that a “FEW” people knew Hebrew? That’s a bold claim to make. The Most High said Abraham seed will be as the stars of shamayim and the dust of the ground. Yet, only a few spoke Hebrew? Do you see the confusion your putting out? The strong’s concordance has been out for generations. So, modern people have no excuse to not see what the Hebrew says. You can usee blue letter bible for starters :).
The scripture I provided was clear on where the name Gad/God comes from. I’m not sure why you’re using the pagan name jesus as well. They didn’t teach you that there’s no J letter or sound in Hebrew, Greek and Latin? And, that the J letter and sound were created about 600 years ago?
Yes, Elohim is plural. But, it can refer to a single person/being.It’s interchangeable with Eloah (singular).
My question for you is this..
Is the Most High’s name Jehovah?
Nah, it’s cold where I’m and I’m stuck in the office.
I’m not sure why you’re choosing to misunderstand the statement. I clearly explained and you just walked over it. But, it’s cool. A misunderstanding on both parts.
Aramaic derives from Hebrew and they spoke Hebrew. We find pictograph, paleo, all over. I believe the Aramaic derivative came along during one of their captivities. Languages and identifies changes when captivity and being conquered is in the formula. No argument there.
Those two school of thoughts will always clash. Yet, salvation is not based on it. so, i won’t harp on it too much. Its ok if we believe differently on that topic.
Remember, you’re basing information/consensus on theologians who corrupted the book. And, it’s not irrelevant on who the Messiah came for. Especially, when He said the following:
Matthi’Yahu 15:24 ” I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”. This is who the Besorah is for. Now, those who aren’t Hebrew can still be grafted. I’m not from any camp or support that stuff they be spilling out on the streets. The 12 tribes chart is false and the white man is NOT Esau. Please remove the thought of me being associated with those hebraic cults. It may help shift your mindset as we continue this talk.
? the irony of it all.
I don’t care that she is gay or not. Whatever performance she has done, whether it’s acting, rapping or singing, I have always enjoyed it. Fan for life!!
I loved he and his wife’s mink pants. Mink. Pants.
Mmmm. Iono. Sounds like that wasn’t quite right.
Not the lady bug…we is one ?
Chile…someone crank up Frankie’s “We Are One”.
ELAYNE ANGEL!
I love how far Dana has come. Rapper…Actress….Singer. Kudos to her.
Love, the Queen! Whether gay or straight, she has been a strong, positive image for black women. She’s a mogul who has her own entertainment company, she’s been a rapper, songstress, actress, spokes model for Cover Girl, talk-show host…she’s done theater. She has literally done just about EVERYTHING and done it well and survived in an industry that is near IMPOSSIBLE to attain any success in, let alone, survive.
She is an excellent role model showing you can do just about anything you put your mind to REGARDLESS of what kinds of boxes other people want to put you in, you don’t have to stay in someone else’s pre-defined lane for you.
From what I know “punks” are just as essential to Bounce as anyone else! Not sure when Juvy was included in that genre, but that’s neither here nor there.
I don’t understand the desperate need to control other people. I just don’t get that.
Frankly, I am tired of celebrities and people in general announcing their sexuality. I do not care who you have sex with as long as they are consenting adult. To hell with press conferencs and twitters. I will not be throwing you a party.
True!
I’m not sure there’s anything anyone can say that will keep from loving the Queen.
You already know!
Medical folk and researchers see and use it quite a bit.
I was going to say maybe he was trying to school ole boy, but since he used it in the proper context, maybe S thought the audience couldn’t use context clues to decipher the meaning. ?
That’s anothet reason why she is mum. Who cares, especially now? It’s damn near “chic” to be family now. Let that woman have her woman!
I remember her telling some people to get their life.
Dawn? DANA?! ?
I think people across all lines at some point in time questioned it.
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I think I’m going to tell everyone standing in the check-out lane right now that I’m heterosexual. Every last one of them. Then, I’m going to tell all the folk on either side of me. Yep.
I knew it was A “D”, not to be confused with Da”D”……cause she don’t go that way.
Wow, all these years and I never even thought about what Queen Latifah’s real name was. Ya learn something new every day.
What? Wait. Ew. The visual is not aesthetically pleasing. Gee. ~hurls~
What? Wait. Ew. The visual is not aesthetically pleasing. Gee. ~hurls~
Queen Latifa will always be great! She is sooo talented.
She should be paid tribute to in one of them award shows
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I like the fact that she doesn’t flaunt it either way. That way people can appreciate her for her accomplishments as a person, not as a “certain lifestyle person” or whatever.
being a celebrity does not entitle the public to know personal details about their life. sure, it’s nice if she could bear every gay kid’s cross by coming out but understand she does not have to. it’s her decision as a person. stop relying on celebrities to inspire children. inspire your (general your not you) own children. you know the number one thing kids want in this generation is fame. that’s what they list when theyre asked what they want to be when they grow up. an overwhelming 80%. that’s a problem and we really need to refocus what kid’s put stock into.
She is a good singer. I was definitely impressed.
She is a good singer. I was definitely impressed.