A supermarket in the heart of the Bible belt has censored the current issue of US Weekly magazine which features Elton John, 63, and his husband, David Furnish, on the cover holding their adopted baby.
John and Furnish entered into a civil partnership 5 years ago. Their son Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John was born on Christmas day to a surrogate mom.
John’s untraditional family unit doesn’t sit well with the Bible belt folk who still preach family values, even though the Bible belt states leads the nation in divorce and teen pregnancy rates.
A Harps supermarket in Mountain View, Ark., censored an Us Weekly cover featuring Elton John, husband David Furnish and their new baby, Zachary. Deemed inappropriate for “young Harps shoppers,” the store placed a “family shield” in front of the magazine.
Twitter user @jennhudd saw the censored cover and began tweeting a photo to celebrities like Ellen DeGeneres, Anderson Cooper and Neil Patrick Harris, asking them to “bring attention” to the store’s decision.
The Mountain View Harps responded to a call from PopEater on Wednesday afternoon with a curt “no comment” before hanging up. A call to the corporate office had us placed on hold, redirected and sent to a voice mail when asked for official comment.
I guess it’s fair to say, they’re standing by their beliefs…I’m surpised they are even selling that issue in their store..
Sorry Sandy, they should.
What’s a bible belt state?
@Mamacita, basically all of the Southern states where.
This is sad, but its the facts everybody doesn’t accept homosexuality.
Basically all off the Southern states where religion supposedly rules supreme**
Aren’t they within their rights to do this?
@ryand Thanks because I was def confused.
even though the Bible belt states leads the nation in divorce and teen pregnancy rates.
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Where did you get those stats from? Anywho, I’m glad to see you supportng them. You are so homophobic at times. I thought you would have said something about God meant for parents to be a man and a woman or something.
If they feel that strongly against it then don’t sell it simple as that. But it is sad to see how simple minded folks are in 2011.
Personally, they have the right to same sex marriage and adoption but the store also has a right to censor what they want.
Who cares? If they’re happy then I’m sure this litte incident doesn’t bother them.
Everyone isn’t gonna always like what you do so get over it.
For example, I abhor any type of smoking in my house. So anyone who smokes WILL NOT do it in my house. Doesn’t mean I have anything against the person but it’s the action I have an issue with.
@mamacita smoking is different from exhibiting blatant hatred, protecting your health is one thing, being ignorant is another.
Hmmmmmm part me is kind of upset….part of me isn’t. So I’ll let it be
Bird says:
I thought you would have said something about God meant for parents to be a man and a woman or something.
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*sigh* What happened Bird? You used to be so supportive. Now I read your comments and I think you’re Attorneymom.
Anyway, God intended man and woman to be fruitful and multiply. Marriage is man’s invention. Only humans go against nature by expecting a man to sleep with one woman his entire life.
Just because they censor the magazine doesn’t mean they HATE them. Where did you get that from?
I don’t agree with the cover either but I don’t hate anybody who chooses that lifestyle and i am in no way “simple minded”.
My friend used to work at a bookstore and they would keep all the xxx rated magazines, playboy, etc., behind the counter. This is censoring also. People have the right to sell what they want and use methods to censor things as they see fit.
Censorship does not = hate
There are probably more gays than straight people… get over it
Mamacita says:
Censorship does not = hate
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That’s true. But censorship does = intolerance and prejudice.
Sandra Rose says:
Bird says:
I thought you would have said something about God meant for parents to be a man and a woman or something.
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*sigh* What happened Bird? You used to be so supportive. Now I read your comments and I think you’re Attorneymom. Anyway, God intended man and woman to be fruitful and multiply. Marriage is man’s invention. Only humans go against nature by expecting a man to sleep with one woman his entire life.
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Shockingly, I agree with Sandra regarding marriage.
(checks own forehead)
Sandra Rose says:
Mamacita says:
Censorship does not = hate
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That’s true. But censorship does = intolerance and prejudice.
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Still have to agree with Sandra here…
(forgets about checking her forehead; decides to check herself into the nearest hospital instead)
Sandra Rose says:
Mamacita says:
Censorship does not = hate
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That’s true. But censorship does = intolerance and prejudice.
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Still have to agree with Sandra here…
(forgets about checking her forehead; decides to check herself into the nearest hospital instead)
A lot of the time, Sandra speaks some real sh!t…
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@YSoSerious
Yous Just SILLY…
Ms. Sandra makes PLENTY of SENSE (Most of the Time…) and I TOTALLY AGREE with her on this ALSO !!!
Intolerance in my opinion is a lower from of hate, or intolerance is a hate forming emotion.
Peachizz says:
I guess it’s fair to say, they’re standing by their beliefs…I’m surpised they are even selling that issue in their store..
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That’s what I want to know? Why sell it at all if you’re going to cover it up? I wonder how many of the Bible Belters are going to pay attention to who does buy this issue?
I wondered why Ricky Martin didn’t get this same attention when he was on the cover w/his twins…. They must have symphathized with him being a single dad of twins and all.
Anna says:
I wondered why Ricky Martin didn’t get this same attention when he was on the cover w/his twins…. They must have symphathized with him being a single dad of twins and all.
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It probably speaks higher volumes to have two dyck swinging men.. one playin momma, the other playin daddy
shew!- I’m so glad my daughter is old enough now.. she used to have SOOOOOO many questions about men being with men- it was becoming overwhelming
The baby is cute. I’m sure he will be well cared for and loved by his fathers.
Brownsugar1908 says:
The baby is cute. I’m sure he will be well cared for and loved by his fathers.
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Yes, I believe so as well. I wonder what the uproar is all about.. Do these objectors feel that since that child is raised by two men that he’ll automatically be gay? I don’t get it??
Elton John son is cute
@Sandra
not in all cases.
Intolerance?
Prejudice?
I have much respect for anyone who stands by their beliefs and values as long as their not encouraging hate.
We all have an intolerance to something…
believe its still an issue in this day n age. and all these “Eddie longs” pointing fingers n shyt, needs to clean out their own damn closets
hell- lead by example and stop trying to run people’s lives.. yours will be a lot less stressful
So I’m pretty sure some random person most likely a biggot switched the magazines in the display for the sole purpose of taking a picture then claiming foul. It happens all the time like the people who find condoms in their burgers or fingers in their Wendy’s chilli. Someone takes a pictures then sends it to the media. High profile people are on the cover who happen to be gay… we’ve all been in the store before it isn’t like the magazines are under lock and key.
I meant to say ” I cant believe” … trying to work and play- lacking on my multi- tasking skills- LOL
Hello party people
Wait i just read the title they do the same thing for magazines with partially covered women and men too whats the big deal
Well at least he’s Elton’s son, he won’t have trouble getting work with his ethnic name.
love how the “bible belt” people pass so much judgment. but if they do this for everyone, what IS the big deal?
I thought the magazine censor looked photoshopped in. It looks fake.
I hope somebody did a little photoshopping to Eltons eyebrows too.
miamore1973 says:
I thought the magazine censor looked photoshopped in. It looks fake.
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It’s not photoshopped. The screen is at an angle and so is the lettering.
What is the problem? Blank stare.
Everyone requires a mother and father to get here on the earth. If the biological parents are married to each other, then that is the ultimate plan of God. Children born (or adopted) between a man and woman married to each other is God’s intended blueprint for the family. Anything else is jsut playing house. #imjustsayin
I have been to plenty of stores and they do cover up things that they deem inappropriate some store still sale porn or king mags or SI swim suit edition they cover them because some People don’t want to see it You Can’t Please everybody But people with kids buy more groceries
If people are born gay, and “God” doesn’t make mistakes, why wouldn’t a same sex couple raising a healthy and loved child be apart of “His” divine plan?
I mean it is what is..
bottom line is Who Still Buys Magazines
this is what it really boils down to 
The bible belt 10 rest of the country 0!
These ninjas in these Southern states raise more hell than a little bit… “Allegedly” The audacity I tell ya….
THIS World we’re living in has CHANGED so drastically in the PAST 30 years that It’s UN-COMPREHENSIBLE (At Times…)
I MEAN REALLY… TWO MEN living as Husband-n-Wife and rearing CHILDREN is suppose to be NORMAL & ACCEPTABLE & NEVER EVER QUESTIONED ?!!? REALLY !!!
And I’m NOT SPEAKING from a Bible or Religion Standpoint EITHER
I’m speaking from a PURELY Natural Premise of NATURE and SCIENCE and BIOLOGY regarding Human Beings on THIS EARTH (Real…) And I’m not trying to change ANYONE’S Opinions or Belief System (WHAT You Believe is WHAT YOU BELIEVE…)
Elton John is ONE of the GREATEST Musical Artists of ALL-TIME and Everything else regarding his Personal Life is MEANINGLESS to ME because I’m NOT LIVING IT
Is it part of “His” plan for children to be used, abused, and abandoned by straight parents who should have never procreated in the first place yet not allow these same children be taken in by two stable, loving people that can provide a better life for them just because they don’t fit some antiquated idea of what a family should be?
ELove says:
I MEAN REALLY… TWO MEN living as Husband-n-Wife and rearing CHILDREN is suppose to be NORMAL & ACCEPTABLE & NEVER EVER QUESTIONED ?!!? REALLY !!!
And I’m NOT SPEAKING from a Bible or Religion Standpoint EITHER
I’m speaking from a PURELY Natural Premise of NATURE and SCIENCE and BIOLOGY regarding Human Beings on THIS EARTH (Real…) And I’m not trying to change ANYONE’S Opinions or Belief System (WHAT You Believe is WHAT YOU BELIEVE…)
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I feel you. I’m a lesbun and I think it’s inappropriate to feature 2 gay men and their baby on the cover of a national magazine. Tolerance is slowly evolving. But Society as a whole is not there yet. The media continues to shove this alternative lifestyle down people’s throats and it’s affecting the youth in an adverse way. Have you been to the mall lately? Those kids look so lost!
attorneymom says:
What is the problem? Blank stare.
Everyone requires a mother and father to get here on the earth. If the biological parents are married to each other, then that is the ultimate plan of God. Children born (or adopted) between a man and woman married to each other is God’s intended blueprint for the family. Anything else is jsut playing house. #imjustsayin
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even so, but isn’t it God’s right to pass judgment and not ours? Just because we choose to be heterosexual means we get to point fingers at those that are not? this …prejudice the same exact thing Blacks had to face for just being Black? Apparently, you dont have be a man and a woman to raise children in this world.. per the adoption agency who allowed it to happen..with all these teens getting pregnant and child abandonment, I applaud WHOEVER picks up the slack
@YSoSerious says:
Is it part of “His” plan for children to be used, abused, and abandoned by straight parents who should have never procreated in the first place yet not allow these same children be taken in by two stable, loving people that can provide a better life for them just because they don’t fit some antiquated idea of what a family should be?
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If they man/man,woman/man, woman/woman, sheep/cow plan to give that child the best of everything. Drowned in love, and a healthy sense of themselves I say do you. I’m not GOD and I’m not the judge,jury nor the executioner.
If a sister dies, and her only living relative is her Gay brother who has a spouse and the other option is foster care. Should her brother not have a right to look out for his sisters offspring??? #DoBetter!
I feel you. I’m a lesbun and I think it’s inappropriate to feature 2 gay men and their baby on the cover of a national magazine. Tolerance is slowly evolving. But Society as a whole is not there yet. The media continues to shove this alternative lifestyle down people’s throats and it’s affecting the youth in an adverse way. Have you been to the mall lately? Those kids look so lost!
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I feel what you’re saying Sandra. But homosexuality not going anywhere anytime soon- So why stress over what other are doing TO THEMSELVES?? Boys are looking rather girlie these days, but I think we as parents need to inform and educate our children on what the world is about to become, instead of sheltering them from something they’re gonna find out about eventually
@Sandra
It seems that you are pro Lesbianism but abhor gay men?? I might be tripping, but isn’t that hypocritical??? If two gay men want to raise a child and have the resources to do so then YOU of all people should be in support of it. Posing for national magz might be a bit much but in their own home this is NOT our business!
Its Not Natural! Is All Im saying
Phrozen1der says:
If a sister dies, and her only living relative is her Gay brother who has a spouse and the other option is foster care. Should her brother not have a right to look out for his sisters offspring??? #DoBetter!
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ALBoy says:
Its Not Natural! Is All Im saying
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I 100% agree- but what can we do? It’s the world we live in
@WCC @Sandra I do agree that the feminization of the black male is rather disgusting but that to me is more along the lines of allowing them to “be girls”. If you are gay man be that but be a MAN and if you’re a lesbian be that,but be a WOMAN! Meaning girls stop dressing like boys and thinking you are one, and fellaz stop dressing like girls and thinking you are one. Your anatomy is NOT a mistake..
Phrozen1der says:
If a sister dies, and her only living relative is her Gay brother who has a spouse and the other option is foster care. Should her brother not have a right to look out for his sisters offspring??? #DoBetter!
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No one is saying gay people can’t adopt or take care of their relatives’ children. But don’t expect to be featured on the cover of People magazine like gay families are readily accepted by society. We are not. That’s just reality.
I guess I just don’t get it. What is so inappropriate about this cover? It’s just there, it’s not being shoved down anyone’s throats.
If you’re gagging on the idea of two men being together that’s your problem, not theirs.
It’s not natural to us,but it’s natural to them so let them rock out…
@Yso “Is it part of “His” plan for children to be used, abused, and abandoned by straight parents who should have never procreated in the first place yet not allow these same children be taken in by two stable, loving people that can provide a better life for them just because they don’t fit some antiquated idea of what a family should be?”
God doesn’t choose for this to happen PEOPLE choose for this to happen. God doesn’t give up children PEOPLE give up children. And who’s to say that some of the people giving up these kids even believe in him in the first place?
@WCC @Phrozen @YSoSerious
I GREW UP in a Very Dysfunctional Family structure the MAJORITY of my childhood but I spent time in others household that weren’t and it ALLOWED ME to see just HOW Others outside of my situation ACTUALLY LIVED (Real…)
And THOSE FAMILIES LIVES seemed PERFECT compared to MINE but of course IT WASN’T because NOTHING’S PERFECT … What problems they actually showcased in front of me were STR8 LAUGHABLE compared to the MESS I had to deal with Every F-ing HOUR in my household
PAIN & SUFFERING & HORRIBLE ACTS have alwayz been apart of OUR Society and NOTHING is going to change that and CHILDREN have alwayz been ABUSED & MISTREATED & CONTINUE to come up MISSING AND DEAD (As We Speak…)
It’s just all TOO TRAGIC Nowadays regarding the SANCTITY of HUMAN LIFE
Phrozen1der says:
If you are gay man be that but be a MAN and if you’re a lesbian be that,but be a WOMAN!
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I totally agree with you! I would love to see gay people be happy in their own skin. I do not like seeing pretty women dressing up like hard azz men. I hate it. Every time a chick decides to dress like a man, the pool of available, beautiful women shrinks.
PHRO
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West Coast Chick says:
ALBoy says:
Its Not Natural! Is All Im saying
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I 100% agree- but what can we do? It’s the world we live in
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I was always taught you stand up for what’s right so just because it’s out there doesn’t mean I have to agree with it or accept it Or for that matter teach My children that its acceptable I teach my kids that God will judge us all so don’t judge other people but tell them the truth and don’t give up on what you believe
@Sandra I understand, I thought you were arguing that they don’t have a right to be parents cause their gay. #Asyouwere
@Phrozen (Comment #55)
Free will is given to all humans no matter how they use it. At the end of the day its what WE choose to do not what others believe for us.
Phrozen1der says:
It’s not natural to us,but it’s natural to them so let them rock out…
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They can and will do what they want to do but I can Speak on it. Im not trying to bash them im just saying i dont agree I have my own stuff i have to keep straight I just give my opinion on things that i think mean something to me
@ Phrozen1der: All I’m saying is that homosexuality is not accepted by society as a whole. So the media should stop trying to force our lifestyle on others. I don’t hate gay men, but I hate to see gay men kissing or being intimate in public. Take that shat behind closed doors.
SANDRA you tickle me
but I agree
Im gone holla at yall another time
NO, @ AL- I don’t teach my child that its accepted- I taught her that it’s out there.. in plain view.. she’ll see it, not to judge or make fun because in some way everybody is different.. yes, stand up for what you believe in, but choose your battles wisely.. This is a loosing fight and gays prolly out number str8’s at this point.
If its something out there that I dont like. I simply look away- Im not going to stand there and battle you about what youre doing with YOUR life.. that wasting time and breath
Hey BOO… Ms. Sandra GETS IT IN (Real…) She’s LIKE A FEW of My Elder Female Cousins who are GAY and THEIR Kool as a MFer
@Mamacita
What I was saying was if one believes it’s “God’s Plan” for children to be raised by a man and a woman, would it also be his plan to allow the children that cannot be raised that way to suffer?
And I will not be teaching any children in my home that being what you were born to be is wrong or unnatural. Period.
ALBoy says:
I teach my kids that God will judge us all so don’t judge other people but tell them the truth and don’t give up on what you believe
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I agree. We should teach our children to be tolerant of others. But gays want to teach children that being gay is natural when it is not.
@Sandra I don’t want to see ANYONE doing anything in public EXCEPT having sex..Kissing, and holding hands is GROSS!
@AlBoy #Respect
I ask this question for the close minded ones of us..What would you do if your child came home or called you and said that they were “the ghei”? Do you love them less, do you not accept them AND their partner and/or children?? Or do you just change ONLY when this hits closer to home??
@Phrozen1der: You better preach!!
I can’t decide how I feel about this actually.
One hand you have so many I MEAN SO MANY children in America alone that need a family and food and clothes and a roof over their heads and JUST TO BE LOVED that I’m sure they don’t give a hot damn who raises them.
On another hand I have felt in the past that homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to adopt. God made our parts for specific reasons and if your parts don’t fit then that’s that.
@YSoSerious says:
@Mamacita
What I was saying was if one believes it’s “God’s Plan” for children to be raised by a man and a woman, would it also be his plan to allow the children that cannot be raised that way to suffer?
And I will not be teaching any children in my home that being what you were born to be is wrong or unnatural. Period.
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How does a lesbian believe that being gay isn’t natural?
@attorneymom
I agree with Sandra
@ Phrozen1der: I wouldn’t have a problem with my grandnephew if he grew up to be gay. But I would be uncomfortable if he started dressing like Derek J or Lawrence on RHOA. I don’t think that’s cute at all.
YSoSerious says:
How does a lesbian believe that being gay isn’t natural?
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@Yso The world will never know
miamore1973 says:
God made our parts for specific reasons and if your parts don’t fit then that’s that.
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Body parts has nothing to do with raising children. Gays have love for children just as heterosexuals do.
@Sandra Rose says:
@ Phrozen1der: I wouldn’t have a problem with my grandnephew if he grew up to be gay. But I would be uncomfortable if he started dressing like Derek J or Lawrence on RHOA. I don’t think that’s cute at all.
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#Agreed! Now THAT is unnatural,attention seeking, and just stomach turning!
YSoSerious says:
How does a lesbian believe that being gay isn’t natural?
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I can’t impregnate another women no matter how hard I try. Therefore, it would be unnatural if I kept trying to make her pregnant, wouldn’t it?
@YSoSerious and @Phrozen (Comment #78)
Soooo in MY Denzel Washington “Philadelphia” Voice…
EXPLAIN to ME how it’s NOT Wrong or UN-Natural LIKE I was a 6 year old
I’ve HAD Uncles who SON turned out being GAY and they handled it MISERABLY … And when they told me about it, I couldn’t give them an ABSOLUTE Appropriate Way that they should’ve handled that situation
I MEAN, I KNOW that being Understanding is RATIONAL (And All…) but It CAN’T BE EASY going about dealing with that… Didn’t CHER touch on this regarding HER Daughter (OR is she a MAN Now…)
Sandra Rose says:
miamore1973 says:
God made our parts for specific reasons and if your parts don’t fit then that’s that.
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Body parts has nothing to do with raising children. Gays have love for children just as heterosexuals do.
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No I agree that’s why I said I was torn.
Cher said she started tearing shit up!!!
@ELove I’m sure it is tough and at this moment I don’t have children but I DO have nieces and nephews. I want my nieces to grow up in a society where young men who are gay are loved for being them, this will decrease the likelihood of her getting caught up with one of those confused knuckleheads. I’m a believer that societal pressures is the cause of the “DL phenomena” that and the dinosaurs being extinct..
I ask this question for the close minded ones of us..What would you do if your child came home or called you and said that they were “the ghei”? Do you love them less, do you not accept them AND their partner and/or children?? Or do you just change ONLY when this hits closer to home??
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I love this topic.. one of my very best friends, a male, has a son who lives in a different state.. well, lil man called his dad and told him he was gay- that he never liked girls, ect
needless to say, my friend was livid- The funny thing was, he said, well, when I decided to pursue women, I didn’t call home and say hey mom, I’m heterosexual- LOL
he says since his son felt the need to call and explain his sexual choice should have been enough to know that its wrong-
I tried to explain to him that people are born this way, ect.. he came back at me with the AIDS statics’.. I just shut my mouth at that point-
Sandra Rose says:
I can’t impregnate another women no matter how hard I try
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Well, I for one would damn sure like to watch you try
Im jokin wit ya Sandy
@Phrozen
and the dinosaurs being extinct..
AND I THINK it’s the quality of air their breathing in AS KIDS during the LATE 80’s and throughout the 90’s
Their son “Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John”
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I’d like to see this kid learn how to spell his name.
@WCC (Comment #92)
And YOU DID the Right Thing Too !!! (Just Let HIM Be…)
@Sandra
What does how babies are made have to do with how you were born?
To me being born gay is equivalent to being born black; so saying it’s unnatural is like say that being black is unnatural.
That’s pretty much how I would explain it to my child should the question arise.
@WCC #Agreed! It’s not that it’s wrong, it’s just that he likely knew his dad would have a line of questioning so he hit that A$$ with everything all at once.
As far as AIDS goes, we as heteros can catch it to..so that does’nt move me. GAY MEN/WOMEN do not carry AIDS..Wreckless behavior DOES! 
@ELove and that blasted Barney,Bert and Ernie and Fraggle Rock! LOL
I agree with Phrozen
a few of my closest friends are gay males. I do not- repeat do not see any of them sexing a woman at any point of the rest of their lives.. it just aint gone happen- So I just cant stand for my friends to feel less than human for something that they feel that they can not control- I was totally against it too- but a couple of my friends shared their horrid stories about how they tried to kill themselves because they were that way, ect..I don’t think they can switch it on and off- or at least the majority cant
I hate the “it’s a choice” debate..Who would choose to be ostracized from society, homeless as a youth, and killed by passer bys?? No one of sound mind would,so that is a random statement! We didn’t choose to be straight, we just ARE! Becuase if it’s a choice what you’re saying is..one day you were thinking of boys and girls and said nah I like girls better or vice-versa which in fact makes you a gay in denial….
I don’t think anyone is born gay (my personal opinion) and even if they are I KNOW FOR A FACT that they aren’t ALL born that way. Some people just choose to be
But one thing I could never understand is how a man isn’t attracted to women but a man that looks like a woman nor do I understand why a woman isn’t attracted to men but dates a woman who looks like a man.
#confuzzled
@Mamcita I disagree with the top portion 100% and agree with the latter portion 100%
Phro says:
I’m a believer that societal pressures is the cause of the “DL phenomena”…
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I believe that as well. If there wasn’t such a stigma to being a gay black man, many of them wouldn’t feel compelled to try and “pass” as straight, lying to themselves and their women and putting everyone involved at risk.
@YSoSerious
Although I DON’T AGREE with your equivalent Scenario… I DO SEE your Point on the way you would EXPLAIN IT to Them (Real…)
@WCC (Comment #100)
Yeah WANTING TO KILL YOURSELF is just far too extreme to me because BEING GAY shouldn’t equate to WANTING TO DIE
@Phrozen
Maannnnnnnn WHEN I figured out that Ernie & Bert must’ve Been Gay… I was LIKE —> I’m So GLAD the Cookie Monster was My Favorite
@YSoSerious says:
Phro says:
I’m a believer that societal pressures is the cause of the “DL phenomena”…
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I believe that as well. If there wasn’t such a stigma to being a gay black man, many of them wouldn’t feel compelled to try and “pass” as straight, lying to themselves and their women and putting everyone involved at risk.
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Exactly!
@ELove You dumb
But real wrap they’ve been together for years….
@Phrozen
NAW Dawg… Ernie & Bert were like My TWO Uncles that lived together and THEN I found out that ONLY ONE of them was My Actual Uncle from ONE of my Elder Brother who alwayz had his suspicions ABOUT THEM
So every time one of the KIDS would say how they LUV Ernie & Bert… We would tell them —-> YOU KNOW THEY GAY (Right…)
@ELove
Next to Kermit, Ernie was always my favorite.
He might be gay, but at least he ain’t a damn fiend. I swear if Cookie Monster had a nose, he’d have been crushing up and snorting Chips Ahoy on the daily.
^^^
@Elove #Ratchet
@Yso Agreed!
@Phro I say the top part because I knew a chick who was “fed up with men” so she choose to move on over to the other side to “try something different”. Aint nothing about that that says she was “born that way” you feel me?! That’s all I’m saying…
I always liked Big Bird, but now he kinda reminds me of a “Butch Lesbian”
And let’s not forget what Dave Chappelle said about The Count being a pimp…Sesame Street got away with a lot of chit back in the day…
@Phro
I know it’s late and chit but…
(Snuffy was a total pothead too)
Mamacita says:
@Phro I say the top part because I knew a chick who was “fed up with men” so she choose to move on over to the other side to “try something different”. Aint nothing about that that says she was “born that way” you feel me?! That’s all I’m saying…
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Humans aren’t born gay. When I worked in labor and delivery I never saw a gay baby.
(wonders what the hell a gay baby is supposed to look like)
funny, but seriously @these comments. I wouldn’t expect the world to accept me and my partner. I wouldn’t be on the cover of a mag or shaking my ass on fire island. But that’s just me.
i always thought it was a mutual level of discontent- gay men to gay women, but in a cordial way. like, ur not man enough faggot. yeah, ur not either, trick, but nice try. i kid, i kid. some of my best friends are gay bashing dykes. oh the irony.
@SR and kids at the mall. I’m like you when I see these young kids “gay.” On one hand it’s a thought that they’re being who they are and I applaud them, but it seems so rampant that I fall back and wonder if it’s just a fad for them.
WoW!!!! Did they also shield all of the other half naked men and women on over half of the other magazines on the stands?
What’s the problem? I agree with the cover being censored, and if one doesnt like it then dont be a patron at that store. No everyone is in agreement with homosexuality, and not everyone is prepared to discuss these issues with their children.
Sandra,
First off I want to say this is just my interpretation of things, and that does not make my argument concrete or sound in any way. I would like to say though that homosexuality is natural…for homosexuals. I say that to mean if you are born heterosexual it comes natural to you to have an attraction to another person of the opposite sex, and thus it would be un-natural to you to think of a homosexual relationship to be natural because you don’t know how to relate, and visa versa. So what I’m getting at is sexuality, what ever that may be for you, is relative depending on which sexuality you are. For me to say that heterosexuality is natural because you can have the potential to birth children does not constitute for heterosexuals to only say that their lifestyle is natural. What makes heterosexual relationship and homosexual relationships natural is that they are developed from consensual LOVE and emotional instincts: which is what I believe makes relationships between two people NATURAL. IF you were making the claim that what makes a heterosexual relationship natural is based on the potential to have children then that would be a faulty statement because would that mean a relationship where a man and a woman are together but one of them cannot have a child mean there relationship is UN-Natural…I think so if you are justifying a relationship to be natural based on the ability to have a child. Further, just because something/someone is a minority DOES NOT make it/them UN-NATURAL…simply diverse and an acknowledgments of God’s creative work at hand.
I do believe most people are born gay and others choose the lifestyle for various reasons.
@Sandra have you ever seen a straight baby?
CONGRATS on the baby Elton and your partner
Daisy says:
@Sandra have you ever seen a straight baby?
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That’s my point exactly. Babies are not born sexual, so how can they be born gay?
My POINT I’m about to make comes from VERY Extensive RESEARCH from talking with My MANY Female GAY Cousins (And THEIR Friends…), MY 2 Gay Uncles that I KNEW were Gay (And Their Friends…) and COUNTLESS Friends who were able to speak OPENLY with THEIR Gay Friends & Relatives ALONG WITH Some Gay Friends and Associates I’ve met throughout My Adult Life
NONE of them ever admitted to BEING BORN GAY and the VAST Majority of them were TURNED OUT meaning ABUSED or TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF at an EARLY AGE… A Very FEW said they just didn’t feel comfortable when having sex with the OPPOSITE SEX and that was because the INITIAL Sexual Encounter was Soooo Uncomfortable to Them which in ACTUALITY is TRUE FOR EVERYONE The 1st Time… I THINK ?!!?
BUT I guess some people take things to heart more seriously than others and DOUBT can cause anyone to act irrational about ANYTHING (Real…)
I believe that BEING GAY is a Choice whether CONSCIOUS or SUBCONSCIOUS from being sexually assaulted at AN EARLY AGE… JUST LIKE DL Dudes who KNOW THEIR GAY that CHOOSES to have sex with A FEMALE for Social Acceptance because of their OVERT SHAME of being who they really are
NOW I’m going on my personal knowledge & research…
I COULD very well be Completely WRONG and JUST LIKE this Govt & Military have created MAN-MADE Diseases & Virus, It wouldn’t shock me ONE BIT if they somehow created some GAY Gene that gets passed on when that Infected/Injected individual had Children (Real…)
West Coast Chick says:
Well, I for one would damn sure like to watch you try
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LOL! Would you like to volunteer?
YSoSerious says:
@Sandra
What does how babies are made have to do with how you were born?
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Babies are not born gay just the same way babies are not born bisexual or born beasties (people who prefer sex with animals). You can’t equate a person’s sexual preferences with skin color.
some gays have actually said they were never touched or molested.
I think I’m being misunderstood here.
When I say I believe that most homosexuals are born that way I don’t mean that they know from birth who and/or what they are sexually.
I’m saying that some people, with no outside influence, ie; sexual abuse or exposure to sex in any way; know from an early age that they are “different” and as they grow older they begin to understand what those “different” thoughts and feelings mean.
If being gay is ALWAYS a choice (conscious or subconscious) how can we explain those that will try anything to be other than what they are? They force themselves to date/sleep with the opposite sex to fluck the gay away or go to church/religious camps to pray the gay away.
When things like that don’t work, does that mean they simply didn’t try hard enough? That they were too weak to choose the “right” way to love?
That is why I stand by my position that there is nothing wrong or unnatural about being gay because that is the way some are born to be.
YSoSerious says:
I’m saying that some people, with no outside influence, ie; sexual abuse or exposure to sex in any way; know from an early age that they are “different” and as they grow older they begin to understand what those “different” thoughts and feelings mean.
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I’m sure pedophiles felt that way too from an early age. That doesn’t mean they are born predisposed to being pedophiles. It just means that something in their environment caused them to be that way. It could be something very random or something very significant. We don’t know what influenced their behavior. Not all gays and pedophiles were molested.
@ YSoSerious: It takes a man and a woman to reproduce. Until a man can make a man pregnant or a woman can make a woman pregnant, then mating between the same sex is not natural. That doesn’t doesn’t mean it’s not exciting though.
ELove says:
…JUST LIKE DL Dudes who KNOW THEIR GAY that CHOOSES to have sex with A FEMALE for Social Acceptance because of their OVERT SHAME of being who they really are…
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If being gay is who they really are, where does the choice come in? To me this implies that they would have been homosexual no matter what did or didn’t happen to them.
If one is hetero, how can they choose to be otherwise? If I asked if you (not you specifically) could be coerced or simply forced to be gay, what would you say?
And if one does decide that they are going to “cross over” I doubt that those feelings just come out of nowhere. They probably always had those thoughts/tendencies and just never acted on them for whatever reason. I guess you could say they “chose” to be hetero but that wouldn’t be too hard to attempt since that is what society expects us to be anyway.
I thought I was done but are we really going to compare homosexuality to pedophilia? Really?
Do you really see being gay as so unnatural that it compares to such despicable and deviant behavior as having sex with children?
And regarding environment, what exactly in one’s surroundings during their formative years could/would make them gay versus straight?
Never mind. I think I need to be done with this for now.
@YSoSerious
I couldn’t be COERCED because My TASTE & DESIRE for Females are far too DEEP and My Mental Strength-n-Foundation isn’t at a level of Weakness and/or Desperation to SEEK ANYTHING OTHER than BEING WITH FEMALES Sexually (Real…)
Regarding the POINT from my previous comment… I’m saying WHENEVER he decided to be GAY FOR LIFE (For WHATEVER REASON…) is when he knew WHO HE REALLY WAS yet for HIS SELFISH REASON of HIS OWN SHAME OF HIMSELF… He chooses to pursue sex with a FEMALE knowing FULL F-ing WELL —> HE DOESN’T REALLY WANT HER LIKE THAT !!!
Yeah, whatev…
<<<Pinot Grigio
And I don’t live my life by SOCIETY’S Standard
ME being a hetero MALE had nothing to do with Society Standards… I GUESS I just naturally gravitated towards the FEMALE ANATOMY ??? I CAN’T tell you exactly WHY, HOW, WHEN but just TOUCHING or THE TOUCH of A FEMALE that I DESIRE turns me on and stimulates me in a VERY INTIMATE WAY (Real…)
NOTHING was forced upon me to be THIS WAY and I didn’t feel any kind of CONFLICT Mentally (BEING THIS WAY…) I JUST happen to really LIKE FEMALES from a very early AGE
Sandra,
If someone is born a pedophile…they usually have a mental illness. Homosexuality is not a mental illness (according to the American Psychiatric Association and other notable psychological organizations)so that comparison is faulty. Just Sayin’…I love your blog though and what do you think about my previous comment…:)
ELove says:
NOTHING was forced upon me to be THIS WAY and I didn’t feel any kind of CONFLICT Mentally (BEING THIS WAY…) I JUST happen to really LIKE FEMALES from a very early AGE
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I’m not questioning you personally in that regard…
I’m questioning why it can’t be the same way for homosexuals? Why does it have to be something that is forced upon them? Why can’t a little boy know from an early age that he just happens to really like males?
Does it make it easier to accept homosexuality to believe that little Timmy was forced to be the way he is? Cause heavens forbid it was somehow his parents fault that their child didn’t come out “normal”.
As a parent, I would rather believe that my gay child is who he is because he can’t be anything else than believe that he had to be forced to be something that he never really wanted to be.
Now I really am done til the morning.
Fin.
First of all I don’t know why they are making a big deal about the shield, it’s a free country and if they want to shield the damn magazine then so be it! Just like GAYS have rights now, those who are not GAY still have rights to protect their own youth and bring them up with their own values if they want. I don’t have a problem with GAYS to eaches own, BUT I will not change my beliefs just because the world is now more excepting to the GAYS lifestyle. If you are GAY stop being so sensitive just because some people are not comfortable with the life you choose to live and if you are not GAY stop worrying about those that are and live your own damn life!
Supa_sexy says:
First of all I don’t know why they are making a big deal about the shield, it’s a free country and if they want to shield the damn magazine then so be it! Just like GAYS have rights now, those who are not GAY still have rights to protect their own youth and bring them up with their own values if they want. I don’t have a problem with GAYS to eaches own, BUT I will not change my beliefs just because the world is now more excepting to the GAYS lifestyle. If you are GAY stop being so sensitive just because some people are not comfortable with the life you choose to live and if you are not GAY stop worrying about those that are and live your own damn life!
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Elton and his partner have been in a long term, legally recognized relationship and decided to have (or make) a baby they can love, raise and afford. Not many black people can even say that. If you’re black, you’re lucky if your parents even live together. Your lucky even if they still speak. As far as the “sin” goes, these so called “christians” pick and choose what “sin” is everyday. If your’re “supposedly” not gay, it’s very easy to jump on the “sin” of homesexuality because you don’t do that. But do you (or have you) drink, have babies out of wedlock, have premariatial sex. Have you been divorced? Do you lie or steal, commit adultery. Better yet, do you eat shellfish, disrespect your parents, or even sleep in the same bed with your wife when she’s on her monthly cycle? Those are all sins too you know, but somehow those are all rationalized in some way. I’m sure you all “slipped” or “god is workin on you”, or “the devil is busy”, or whatever other tired phrase you use to explain your naturally sinful nature. I’m a very spiritual person, but would never call myself a christian. I don’t want the burden of judging people for not living a christian life that I’m incapable of living myself.
OK THIS TOPIC IS HOT AND I DON’T WANT TO OFFEND NOBODY OR GET IN TO AN E-ARGUMENT BUT I AGREEE 100% WITH SANDRA ON THIS ***MAKES DR.APPOINTMENT** YES ITS NOT NATURAL FOR TWO MEN AND TWO WOMAN TO BE TOGETHER BUT IT IS THAT PERSONS CHOICE NOT NOBODY ELSES BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO EMBRACE IT OR LOVE IT AT ALL
SO COVERING THE MAG IS RESPECT FOR ALL OTHER THAT DON’T AGREE OR SUPPORT THE GAY LIFESTYLE…NOW WITH THAT SAID MY AUNT IS A LESB AND FROM KNOWING HER MY WHOLE DANG LIFE SHE DID GET MOLESTED BY MY UNCLE **SAME PIECE OF SHAT THAT MOLESTED ME** AND THAT PLAYD A ROLE IN HER DECISION **but sh!t i aint gay*** BUT THE BOTTOMLINE WAS SHE WAS NOT ATTRACTED TO MEN AT ALL SHE ALWAYS LOVED THE WOMANS BODY BUT SHE DID NOT COME TO THIS CONCLUSION UNTIL SHE WAS IN HER TEENS WICH MEANS WHEN SHE WAS SMALLER SHE LIKED TO PLAY HOUSE WITH BOYS NOT GIRLS SO TO ME ITS A CHOICE THAT WE AS SOCIATY ARE NOT READY TO FULLY EMBRACE BUT IT’S OK BECAUSE GOD MADE NO MISTAKE AND WE ARE WHO WE ARE!!! 
So Sandra compared herself to a pedophile.
Anywho
@Ysoserious……I cosign with you 100%. Didn’t know you can be that serious!!
OF TOPIC”:
1. I finally got a snow day here in DC
2. I’m changing my name
@ Lakeshow good morning Mami!

I really dont want ti talk about this any more
I feel like people are trying so hard to Force this life stye on people there are thing that Hetro people do that i disagree with and there are things that homo people do that I disagree with.
Bottom Line is Bert and Ernie where Gay Big Bird was a woman Snuffy was always high Grover was a gay superhero Oscar the grouch was a double amputee (why he never showed his legs and stay in the garbage can cause he sold his hoveround for vicodin and oxycotin) and was addicted to pain killers (why he was always mad couldnt get his pills) and Cookie Monster was in fact a fiend
@FABULOSALAKER: I was also molested as a child by a couple of men (I was never penetrated), but I don’t think that played a role in my decision either. As a little girl, I was very attracted to boys. But since I acted like one (I was a tomboy), the boys weren’t interested in me. Then girls started insisting that I was a lesbun and throwing themselves at me, which I hated! Gradually, I came to accept the fact that I liked girls. So as you can see, my environment helped shaped my lifestyle for me, but I always knew that being gay was “different” from the norm.
To those who say gay sex is normal: if it was normal, we wouldn’t be in here discussing it. Gay sex would be as natural to us as apple pie. It would be as natural as man having sex with horses or dogs. We always try to rationalize and apply logic to the things that we don’t understand and we always get it wrong. Homosexuality will never be accepted as normal because it is abnormal. You can’t fit a square peg into a round hole. But it sure does feel good trying.
Name change options
1. KingofDiamonds
2. JackofDiamonds
3. Mama’s Boy
4. THE CHIT
@Alboy
@The Rapist #4
Morning everyone!
@Sandra This is why I
your sight. You may be crazy but you’re all right with me 
Oh, and I left out the part that I was pursued RELENTLESSLY by female teachers when I was a kid. Those grown azz women kept insisting that I was a lesbun and that I should accept it, blah, blah, blah. That’s why I say talk to your kids, because at least 40% of school teachers are pedophiles!
Sandra that may be your story. It explains your disdain for men, black men specifically (assuming the men who molested you were black)
But for some people they’ve known since they could remember that they’ve had feelings for the same sex. Just as most heterosexuals have feeling towards the opposite sex.
For them, it’s their normalcy. This here is a topic that people should just agree to disagree. Have your belief but don’t become offensive and intolerant.
Most heterosexual people compromise thier beliefs of homosexuality when it comes to women. They give it a pass. Only when the focus is on gay men do people have strong belief and want to take a stand. It becomes rhetoric. Hypocritical.
Morning Mamacita….lol I like #4 as well. But I think I’m going with #1
40% of teachers are pedophiles……please direct me to that statistic and research. Not that I’m disagreeing, I would just like to read the research and see the source.
There are alot of pedophiles that prey on the opposite sex vs. same sex. By your comment, it seems you are trying to make a correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. They aren’t synonomous!
@sandra omg auntie
my whole fukn family used to tell my aunt “UR A TOMBOY Y U LIKE DRESSING SO BAGGIE” it came to the point that the fam was saying she was gay **but did no accept it** once they knew she was gay most of the older generation wanted to act all surprise and sh!t like fo real u talk sh!t about her looking acting like a boy since she was 10 and now that she grown u surprise she
cat???
i think the environment and the people that influence u in your younger years may have a roll on ur adult decisions and our fam used to talk sh!t about her and now can’t accept her for who she found out she is!! 

@AL I DON’T LIKIE THIS SUBJECT EITHER MY AUNT GETS SOO UPSET WHEN OUR FAM DOES NOT EMBRACE THE FACT SHE IS A LESB BUT WHAT I TELL HER IS MY FAM DON’T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IM WITH A BLACK MAN AND HAVE A MIX CHILD BUT I WILL NOT LET THEM RUN AND RUIN MY LIFE FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT SO FUK EM ALL I LOVE WHO I HAVE BECOME AND IF U DON’T LIKIE GET OFF THIS TRAIN CUZ IT KEEPS ON MOVING WITHOUT U
therapist1911 says:
By your comment, it seems you are trying to make a correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. They aren’t synonomous!
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They both fall under the category of abnormal sexual behavior. Again, if homosexuality was normal we wouldn’t be discussing it right now.
@THE CHIT
Yes, I can have my serious moments when I need too.
Regarding this issue, this mornings comments have made the reason for some people’s positions much clearer.
I still don’t agree with them but I understand them a bit better and I guess I will just agree to disagree so we can keep it moving, at least for today.
But I do believe the more things like this are discussed in an open forum with respect and understanding, the better off we will become as a society. :hugs:
Goodmorning PEEPS!
@yso i love that serious side of u
all smart and sh!t 
steve harvey i want to read aboout 
@cfree good mornting and
@ therapist1911: I don’t know how you arrived at the conclusion that I have disdain for men. You’re wrong.
The truth is I have disdain for FEMALE teachers (black and white) who hide in schools and molest your daughters and nieces. I came up with the 40% figure based on my own experiences with these female teachers who literally chased me home from school on a daily basis. It stopped when I told a next-door neighbor and she got in one teacher’s azz and threatened to call the school board.
Sandra Rose says:
therapist1911 says:
By your comment, it seems you are trying to make a correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. They aren’t synonomous!
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They both fall under the category of abnormal sexual behavior. Again, if homosexuality was normal we wouldn’t be discussing it right now.
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Sandra we dicuss, debate NORMAL chit all day. Normal is relative. Furthermore, homosexuality is so much more then the sexual behavior. Take the sexual act out it and what are u left with….
@Yso…agreed
the things that we encounter as children do affect the decisions we make as adults me being molested by a group of women at the age of 5 made me belive that i should try to please women at all cost. Whether she was mine or not having no regard for myself or anyone else involved. I have always heard that men should take care of women listen and do the little things so i took all of that and began doing everything that was missing for a whole lot of women never truly understanding that I was doing more harm than good. I was doing these things because of how my first sexual experience went I was the Only Male and they all needed me. It makes me sick to think aboout it know but thats the way I was living my life for a long time.I was also introduced to sex by my father he set up a session for me when i was 9 years old and tried to force me to have sex with some lil girl from his neighborhood after all the crying and screaming he didnt make me do it. but I know that these two things really affected the way I have dealt with sexuality.
Forums like these are helpful and they help you see your own issues and to deal with yourself
Sandra Rose says:
@ therapist1911: I don’t know how you arrived at the conclusion that I have disdain for men. You’re wrong. The truth is I have disdain for FEMALE teachers (black and white) who hide in schools and molest your daughters and nieces. I came up with the 40% figure based on my own experiences with these female teachers who literally chased me home from school on a daily basis. It stopped when I told a next-door neighbor and she got in one teacher’s azz and threatened to call the school board.
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Sandra Mae Johnson….ARE YOU SERIOUS!!
I arrived at that conclusion the same way you came up with the 40% figure. Prehaps we both pulled it out the air but based on our experience we were able to make an inference.
@AL
@ FABULOSALAKER: I strongly believe that our lifestyles are shaped by our environment. My family used to say the same about me: that I was a tomboy. Gay youth who don’t understand what they’re feeling are desperate for answers. They look to other kids and to adults in their life (or in the media) for confirmation. In your aunt’s case, she found the confirmation that she was looking for from your family, although they probably didn’t realize they were influencing her decision.
iscream says:
Their son “Zachary Jackson Levon Furnish-John”
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I’d like to see this kid learn how to spell his name
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It’s not going to fit on a drivers license anyway. He will sign his name ZJLF-J. Gotta have the hyphen in there because his parents are married. LOL.
@Alboy I was molested by a female at a young age as well. I’ve admitted it to very few people.
@SANDRA AND THATS WHAT UPSETS ME HOW CAN U TAUNT HER SO MUCH SINCE AGE 10 AND THEN WHEN UR ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPISION COME TRUE UR IN SHOCK OR EMBARASED BY HER???
BUT THATS FAMILY FOR YA AZZ 
@ Therapist I had actually blocked it out until like 5 years ago I have only told a few people also and i still see the women all the time
@ ALBoy: I realize we don’t live in a perfect world, but we should all talk to our kids about sex and alternative lifestyles by the time their at least school age. Because if you don’t talk to them (by at least age 6) trust me, others will as soon as they start school.
Sandra Rose says:
@ FABULOSALAKER: I strongly believe that our lifestyles are shaped by our environment. My family used to say the same about me: that I was a tomboy. Gay youth who don’t understand what they’re feeling are desperate for answers. They look to other kids and to adults in their life (or in the media) for confirmation. In your aunt’s case, she found the confirmation that she was looking for from your family, although they probably didn’t realize they were influencing her decision
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Doesn’t this indicate that the “feeling” was there and they are only seeking confimation/validation. Or are you saying the “feeling” would dissipate if the external influence is not there
Laker, i been sooo freakn busy I finally got sometime to catch sum gossip, come on wit it Sandra!
I live in Arkansas and Mountain View, AR is in the ozark mountains in northern arkansas and is about as red neck and rural as you can get. The racial makeup of the city is about 96.97% White. This is what you can expect up there. I have lived in AR all my life and have never been up there. The home of the Klan Harrison, AR is not to far from Mountain view. With that said I saw the magazine in the store yesterday and I wish I hadn’t that is a magazine cover i could have did without. I don’t care what they do but I don’t need it to be brodcast in my face when I’m trying to pick up some groceries. Have your child be happy and raise them I don’t care about two white men having a baby.
I hate to state my opinion when it comes to homosexuality ONLY because I am biased to the issue given I’m a gay black male living in a straight white world. I can see both sides of the issue. If that particular store felt as if they needed to censor this issue, then shouldn’t have stocked the store with this issue. I’m sure they are allowed to choose what magazines to stock the shelves. I do understand that although it seems that the new “it” thing is to be gay, but let me tell you its not something that is still widely accepted. Everyone is not ready to see 2 men with a child on the cover, I completely understand! But it would be an outrage with the community if a store decided to censor a magazine with Obama on the cover. To me its the same thing. Its discrimination. I’m not encouraging homosexuality by any means, its just the life I live. Tolerance is the key not acceptance. Be tolerant that there are others out there NOT like you. Because your tolerant doesn’t mean you are accepting the lifestyle of others. Black people are so quick to speak against how whites have put down our race, but is that NOT the same thing you are doing when it comes to homosexuality. Are you not doing the same thing as the white oppressors? Its unsettling to think you have become the person you have grown to loathe. Thats my 2 cents and all I gotta say about this.
HEY FAM!!!!
@Al…I blocked it out as well. Also bc of my external influences (family/media) I didn’t think it was RIGHT to disclose it. In my mind, I thought i would be scorned if I told and labeled a faggot. Which the latter happened anyway, guess I didn’t wanna add to the accusations. As an adult, I see that a 8 year old boy has no business being sexually involed with a teenager almost grown woman.
therapist1911 says:
Doesn’t this indicate that the “feeling” was there and they are only seeking confimation/validation. Or are you saying the “feeling” would dissipate if the external influence is not there
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Please re-read my comment. “the feeling” was not there. I liked boys and I was heartbroken when they didn’t like me back (I assumed it was because I was a tomboy). I guess females always tried me. I remember when I was in London (at age 6), a female teacher paid “special attention” to me. She was always stroking my face and keeping me after class every day so we could be alone, giving me candy, etc. So, um, yeah, my environment shaped my lifestyle.
@ therapist1911: Being a tomboy does not make you gay. I was a tomboy who liked boys.
@Sandra this is what u said
“Gay youth who don’t understand what they’re feeling are desperate for answers. They look to other kids and to adults in their life (or in the media) for confirmation.”
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HOW DID I MISS READ?
It really makes me sad to know that so many little boys and girls have they’re innocence stolen from them at such young ages. I’m glad that many of you feel comfortable enough to talk about something so personal.
That’s why as much as I like to debate/discuss difficult topics, I try to never attack someone for their views because you never how or why they’ve come to feel the way they feel.
Sandra Rose says:
@ ALBoy: I realize we don’t live in a perfect world, but we should all talk to our kids about sex and alternative lifestyles by the time their at least school age. Because if you don’t talk to them (by at least age 6) trust me, others will as soon as they start school.
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I totally agree that we should talk to our children. I know i had plenty or sex talks with kids at scholl before i ever had one with my mom. Dad talked to me but he was just telling me what to do and how to do it like i said he was crazy. I talk to my son 9y/o and he tells me when anything happens that wasnt right he doesnt hide things from his mom or me.
When we where younger though sex was all so taboo and secret that you couldnt talk about it or you were considered manish. Especially as a male if a woman did something sexual to you we were taught that you should enjoy it. We really have to share with the kids before they get the Wrong information from someone else.
Sandra Rose says:
@ ALBoy: I realize we don’t live in a perfect world, but we should all talk to our kids about sex and alternative lifestyles by the time their at least school age. Because if you don’t talk to them (by at least age 6) trust me, others will as soon as they start school.
I agree with this, especially since its all out in the open EVERYWHERE, the tv, grocery store, parks, school. I felt like I would rather my child hear it from home instead of drawing her own conclusions in her head or gettn it from an outside source like television or her peers.
@MEAN KITTY, i like the way you put that
@ Therapist I feel you on that peole looking at you sideways like why didnt you enjoy yourself
I was a baby 4 or 5 years old. You always hear about the little boy thats mlested by a man or the little girl molested by a man but never really address grown women messing with lil boys and girls. Its more accepted 
@CFREE
There is a
up but it’s about Fiddy and Chelsea Handler. 
@Cfree:
@MKitty….agreed 100%
thx Yso!
therapist1911 says:
HOW DID I MISS READ?
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I meant re-read my initial comment at 9:04 a.m. wherein I stated: “As a little girl, I was very attracted to boys.” In the comment you reference, I’m talking about gay youth in general are confused about their feelings. Feelings which are shaped by their environment. Based on their influences, they make the decision to go either way. I was not a gay youth. I was a tomboy who was into boys until at least the age of 9, when I gave into the influences of others and changed my lifestyle. But some kids don’t give into the influences of others. They remain straight. And by that, I mean the feminine men who we all think are gay but they’re not gay.
@Al you are right man
@ ALBoy: I talked to my nephew about sex when he was six and we caught him playing with
He is not gay today (he loves the LSLH women).
humpinganother boy in the sandbox. I told him that if he was gay it was okay, and he looked at me like I was crazy, lolYSoSerious says:
It really makes me sad to know that so many little boys and girls have they’re innocence stolen from them at such young ages.
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@ALBoy
I wouldn’t say that it is more accepted, at least when a child is that young. I think when a boy is in puberty, yes, they are expected to like it and want more of it.
I was personally sickened by all the stories a few years back of teachers sleeping with and having babies by 12-13 year-olds. I don’t care how mature they seem or how developed they are, they are still children, period.
I think when it comes to younger children/babies, no one wants to believe a woman is capable of something so vile. We’re seen as the nurturers and protectors of our young. Therefore, we can’t be the predators.
I think we as a people try and to label/categorize things too much. Anything outside the norm is always criticized. I took all of this into consideration before confirming what my family ALREADY knew. LOL. Now it seems that everybody is gay which really bothers me. More and more people are coming out, and society still has remained pretty much the same when it comes to homosexuality. Thats why we have so many problems with bullying and suicides. Every homosexual has felt alone at times, maybe they didn’t have any family or friends to talk to. Negative comments from family members while growing up about gay people doesn’t help. Talk to kids. Let them know that you may or may not condone it, but no matter what they choose to do you still love them and could talk to you about anything. That helps a lot.
@ YSO you have to see it from this point of view young boys are taught from lil bitty kids that they should go after women sexually young bioy around his uncles and a women walks by looka dea boy look at that Thang! So even though 4/5 years old seems to young and its disgusting if you are taught you should like it then you feel ashamed when you dont. It make sit seem like that is what they meant or intended to happen when they had you lookin and they offer there women for you to touch and what not.
@ALBoy
Okay. I think I got you now. Still smdh though.
I was saying even looking at those kids that where sleeping with there teachers most people I talked to was like why werent my teachers like that. They had it good etc. But if it was Coach Johnson having sex everyday with Lil Bimdarisha then everybody wanna fight talkin bout hope they put him under the jail (which i never understood seems safer less rape but i digress) Thats all Im saying.
@ YSo
Im saying though put them in “real butt Rape Jail”
Yikes, this is still the hot thread….
Um, yall are missing the point! Why dis baby ain’t got on no socks?!
Sandra, you seem to have a lot of self-hatred because you are repeating many of the talking points that the Right-wing in America state about gay folks.
From what you have stated you feel as if you were forced to be gay because people stereotyped you and that made other people react to you as if you were gay.
Unfortunately I have a similar circumstance and it was caused the same person who sexually molested me and as I read what you went through a lot of anger that I thought was gone was still there.
What’s ironic about me is that I am a minority within a minority within a minority. I am a masculine man who likes other masculine men who is not into the usual gay sex ( penetration).
What I don’t understand is what any of this has to do with the magazine featuring a very well known gay entertainer with his son and same sex partner.
Every story I read is about early sexualization by either molestation or stereotyping and usually by relatives not from some evil gay agenda.
Am I the only one who sees this?
BTW, Al, I know you love your father but he needs to go to jail for what he forced you to do.
Unfortunately there are other fathers who do crazy things like that to their sons because that is a way of projecting their own insecurities about their sexuality.
Wow that is crazy…at some point people will have to get used to this because its happening more than ever right now
Wow, I really have a strong opinion about this whole homosexual issue, but never would I thought I would say I agree with Sandra. I think that your environment shapes who you are and sometimes your sexuality. Especially kids that act different than what society says you should. My son came out that he was gay when he was about 18yrs old. He said he didn’t have sexual feelings until he was about 12/13… not attraction wise, but since he was raised by mostly women he was kinda soft. His father was there but he didnt really participate in helping shaping him as a man until he was 10 yrs old, only after he decided to give his life to Christ, but with that I feel he threw homosexuality onto my son. Always having people pray over my son about his sexuality because he didn’t act “hard enough” for him (his father). Their church was really strict with children and sex, so most of the time they kept them seperate until they got into their teens. So, when my son started having sexual feelings he was always around boys. So him and a friend would kiss and that is where my son got the feeling that he was attracted to men. Now, my son is 22 yrs old. He said he doesn’t feel comfortable being affectionate with men publically. I told him that he should continue to pray about the man that God designed him to be and believe that no matter what God will ALWAYS love us even in our sin. Just like the prodical son, that didn’t come to his senses until he was laying in a pig pen eating slop!
Oh I left out, I let my son live with his father at 10 yrs old because I felt that he could teach him how to be a man. That was something I couldn’t do, but instead I feel like he damaged my son.
@Destinee (Comment #200)
I’m Sooooo GLAD you shared that personal experience with us and I Too KNOW some dudes I grew up with that VERY SAME Background… and ALL of them Are GAY (Real…)
The OTHER Guys that were in a family with NOTHING but Sisters were considered Feminine Acting because of Their Mannerisms (At Times…) but they had STRONG Farther figures in their lives ALSO (Uncles, Family Friends) and they didn’t become GAY
AGAIN… Appreciate YOU sharing that !!!
@ ELove