Family of murder suspect speaks out
My grandmother (RIP) used to tell me it’s easier to do evil when evil resides in your heart. I feel for the family of Jay Din, the 4-year-old boy who was beaten to death 2 years ago.
I also feel sorry for the family of his accused killer, Herbert Warren, who reached out to me yesterday with an impassioned plea to hear their side of the story.
I wrote back that I’m not interested in his side of the story. He needs to tell it to the judge. If Warren was so innocent, the FBI would not have had to track him down.
There are two types of people in this world that I hate: liars and people who can’t control their urges (such as pedophiles, rapists and murderers). I’m not saying Warren went around beating down children for sport. In fact, I also heard from a loyal reader yesterday who admitted she had a relationship with Warren who didn’t harm her child.
We have all had our moments with children who wreck our nerves. Sometimes it takes the patience of Job to keep from snapping. But it takes a person with pure evil in his heart to snap on a child with extreme violence.
Read the email from the family of Herbert Warren after the break…
- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:05:15
From: [Name removed per request]
To: sandra@sandrarose.com
Subject: Herbert Warren Story (read to know true facts)
The story that you have about Herbert Warren on your site is untrue before you try to take sides and characterize a person and demoralize him you need to get both sides of what happened and the truth about what happened. Timikia lied to you and the media: 1st Herbert has kept her son many of times and there was never an incident, 2nd when she met him I bet she didn’t tell you that he gave her momma 700$ to get her (Timikia) out of jail and hadn’t even known her a week, 3rd she didn’t tell you that our whole entire family came up here for the funeral that Herbert paid for and Herbert, along with her and our family, was at the hospital when jay din died (would a murderer do that?).
4th that he was still paying all of her bills and giving her money after the tragic death of her son, 5th that she moved on with another man shortly after Jay Din death as well as still engaging in a relationship with Herbert, 6th how she became upset after he discontinued her funds which is what the whole thing was about $$$$$, 7th she has been telling the DA for the past 2.5yrs that Herbert didn’t kill her son it was an accident why all of a sudden would she switch her story. She is a lier and our family knows her very well and we all are in total shock that she has changed her story and chosen to lie about the ordeal.
We all loved Jay Din and have all been hurt by his tragic death but we would sacrifice our lives to prove that Herbert didn’t murder her son. That’s not in his character and the thought would never cross his mind in 1million years. Herbert was never a fugitive which is why his friend was not arrested the DA just added another charge in order to rearrest him. After he posted bond in 2006 he remained in Atlanta while working at a cabinet building company so the fact that he fled and is a danger to society is untrue.
He has dated women with children and has children of his own in which he has never harmed or even yelled at. I urge you to contact our family to get our side. please feel free to email me back so that we can talk and my cousin (his sister) can give you our side, the accurate side about the situation. I understand that Timikia is hurting because of the tragic loss of her son as we all are but that is no reason for her to hurt us. She is not as innocent as she is making herself out to seem. Trust me!!!!!
Thanks For your time and listening!
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whatever!! tell that ish to the judge…writing sandra rose won’t fix anything…i still think he’s scum, at least until a court of law proves otherwise….none of the things they’ve presented in the above letter remains the suspicion from about his head…I hope his lawyer is better than this…
How old is this story?!!!
I’m not taking sides but I do know that this baby is dead and someone is to blame.
The moral of this story is to stop leaving your children with any and everybody!!!
I don’t have children but I take care of 4 (1 sister, 2 nephews, and 1 niece) and I will be damn if my mother or me leave them with anybody.
Be protected of your children…their lives are at stake!!!
Ummm….there’s always two side to a story…Now who’s telling the truth…that’s a different story…This incident is a prime example of how we as people are quick to judge without knowing all the facts. Time will tell who really is telling the truth.
Herbert’s family says: The story that you have about Herbert Warren on your site is untrue before you try to take sides and characterize a person and demoralize him you need to get both sides of what happened and the truth about what happened. Timikia lied to you and the media: 1st Herbert has kept her son many of times and there was never an incident, 2nd when she met him I bet she didn’t tell you that he gave her momma 700$ to get her (Timikia) out of jail and hadn’t even known her a week, 3rd she didn’t tell you that our whole entire family came up here for the funeral that Herbert paid for and Herbert, along with her and our family, was at the hospital when jay din died (would a murderer do that?).
4th that he was still paying all of her bills and giving her money after the tragic death of her son, 5th that she moved on with another man shortly after Jay Din death as well as still engaging in a relationship with Herbert, 6th how she became upset after he discontinued her funds which is what the whole thing was about $$$$$, 7th she has been telling the DA for the past 2.5yrs that Herbert didn’t kill her son it was an accident why all of a sudden would she switch her story. She is a lier and our family knows her very well and we all are in total shock that she has changed her story and chosen to lie about the ordeal.
~~~~~Lady look…none of what you are bringing up has anything do do with him murdering that girl’s son. 1st…the fact that you are brining up money means nothing. Maybe she needed it!!! Maybe he felt guilty for murdering her d*mn son that’s why he gave it to her!!! We are not concerned with her jailing…was she in jail for murder!! Sh*t happens sometimes..h*ll. Maybe she kept a relationship up with him because she was hurt and distraught…and confused. Maybe she wanted to desperately believe he didn’t do it…maybe she was truly in love with this man!!! So, you and your family can k*ss a** and I hope that they send that s*n of a b*tch to the electric chair…..YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW SOMEONE MURDER’S A CHILD LADY!!!!~~~~IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY YOU ARE ON THE WRONG D*MN SITE!!!!!
I am so tired of children being killed. My heart is hurt.
j-lo843 Says:
Ummm….there’s always two side to a story…Now who’s telling the truth…that’s a different story…This incident is a prime example of how we as people are quick to judge without knowing all the facts. Time will tell who really is telling the truth.
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I agree………I mean how we know the mom didn’t do it I just seen something similar on Law and Order (dats my show) but not to confuse real life with tv………I’ll wait for the verdict
brwnsugga4you Says:
~~~~~Lady look…none of what you are bringing up has anything do do with him murdering that girl’s son. 1st…the fact that you are brining up money means nothing. Maybe she needed it!!! Maybe he felt guilty for murdering her d*mn son that’s why he gave it to her!!! We are not concerned with her jailing…was she in jail for murder!! Sh*t happens sometimes..h*ll. Maybe she kept a relationship up with him because she was hurt and distraught…and confused. Maybe she wanted to desperately believe he didn’t do it…maybe she was truly in love with this man!!! So, you and your family can k*ss a** and I hope that they send that s*n of a b*tch to the electric chair…..YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW SOMEONE MURDER’S A CHILD LADY!!!!~~~~IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY YOU ARE ON THE WRONG D*MN SITE!!!!!
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Timika is dat you
1. The truth is that the child died while in the care of Mr. Warren.
2. A person’s character in the past does not dictate their character when the crime is occurring.
3. The mom can’t suddenly decide to bring the charges against Mr. Warren because she is now mad that he cut her off. The DA did that.
4. The mom’s infidelity did not kill her son.
I am glad you presented both sides… I have seen too many times where a person is convicted by the media before they are even tried. A case similiar to this happened in Michigan where the resulting charges were dropped, but there was no fanfare when that happened, only when he was charged. But at any rate the loss of such a young life is a shame.
LovelyLady Says:
nope is brwnsugga4you…on here all the time…and i’m just venting as a mom.
I still have no sympathy for this man. Especially if he changed a dead baby’s pamper… Thats beyond disgusting. This email talked about he provided so much money for her, yet he couldn’t help her pay for child care? Why didnt he run her errands for her so she could stay home with her child? So lady, ur cousin, brother, uncle or whatever he was to u, is still a child killer. Timika may be a slut, gold digger or whatever but her baby did not deserve to be KILLED. There’s a special place for Cousin Herbert to burn in hell.
An innocent child is dead. That is the only person I have concern or compassion for. I was raised by a single mother and now that I am a mother myself, (albeit married) I truly appreciate her putting me and my brother first. I am certain my mother had relationships with men, but she NEVER allowed any man to stay at our house. NEVER. She put her own personal happiness aside to raise the children she had by another man and didn’t try to replace him quickly to father her children. If I have any advice for a single woman with kids, it would be to do the same. Don’t let another man watch, sleepover or hangout with your children unless you are married to him. Having kids changes the rules and the game regarding courting altogether.
brwnsugga4you has Herbert family requested a DNA from her child she had after her son died?
backatcha Says:
brwnsugga4you has Herbert family requested a DNA from her child she had after her son died?
~~~don’t know~~~
I don’t care if he gave her a kidney! And I don’t care if the child’s mother is a lying, cheating tramp! It’s all irrelevant. Warren may be a decent person but if he snapped on a 2 year old child, whether by accident because he lost his temper or maliciously, he deserves to go to jail. You say that Warren was not a fugitive? Interesting, since he has been missing for 2 years but I guess it’s a conspiracy and law enforcement has nothing better to do. Based on your 7 points characterizing what a great person Warren is, you posed the question, “would a murderer do that?” My question is, “would an innocent man run?”
It’s really messed up.I hope he man up and do tell the judge.
Sandra, tell his fam to go somewhere with dat. Da baby died in his care, and thats the point. He may not be a heartless cold murderer, but thats the point. And from the last article u posted, this child did not die from a fall. I don’t care if he gave her the world. This child died in his care. So i don’t need to hear two sides of any story…..all that other ish, don’t really matter. He died while you were watching him. And if he was so innoncent, he wouldn’t of ran. Get out of him w/ dat.
If he is innocent, lets hope the system works for him…either that or he is SOL….
DAMN people have some skeletons and other sh*t in their closets, I cant even put in my two cents on this one!
I didn’t even discuss the case in my comment yesterday because I didn’t take the time to go out on the web and research it and I knew Sandra was at least making some of it up, such as her meeting the dude at the club and not knowing him very long. Even more importantly, I found it very odd that the story said the man was on the run, but didn’t mention what court date he missed pertaining to the case that made him a fugitive, nor did it explain how he was a fugitive for two years living in the same area.
I went to school with a very mild mannered , polo shirt wearing, intelligent guy. There would be no reason for his girl or family, or me to think he would throw an infant up against a wall killing it, but that is exactly what he did. I also know another man who was a very involved father, albeit a drug dealer. He caught his daughter in his stash and he truly accidently beat her to death with one blow. There is no excuse for killing a child, but knowing these two guys personally just showed me that good people can snap on a child.
So of couse there are two sides to this story and it’s likely that these two people share the blame. Without all the facts, I kinda assume this dude was a drug dealer yesterday and the family reinforces that belief with their comments about him paying for everything. And the simple fact that this young lady even dated a drug dealer makes her somewhat responsible.
This letter means nothing because a child is gone forever and the cause of death doesnt match what Herbert is saying…so in other words you gets none here!
backatcha Says:
brwnsugga4you has Herbert family requested a DNA from her child she had after her son died?
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What does that have to do w/the baby that was murdered? It seems like his people can’t face the fact that he did something to the little boy….all the things that he did after the baby passed…….guilt, maybe? don’t know, but I do know that a person’s words alone will not get another charged with murder….evidence does. Also, I noticed something the cousin said:
“After he posted bond in 2006 he remained in Atlanta while working at a cabinet building company so the fact that he fled and is a danger to society is untrue.”
Umm, being charged with murder, and fleeing does make a person a danger to society……his family can’t even concieve that he did this, so how would they know whether or not he’s a danger???
katgirl33, it has alot to do with things because if she laid down and got pregnant by this man after he was arrested for killing her child (which I hear is true), then she should be arrested with him..
@bird…
” kinda assume this dude was a drug dealer yesterday and the family reinforces that belief with their comments about him paying for everything.”
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I Thought the SAME EXACT THING…
Yes there are two sides to every story, but the problem is that there’s a story to tell. period. I just don’t understand why some women leave their children with men they don’t know well. A child is dead because of the mother’s irresponsiblity. True, people can and do “snap”, but if the parent had made their child their no. 1 priority and NOT whatever it was she left for, then perhaps young Jaydin would still be here. Both parties need to be charged with murder in my eyes. While I myself do not have children, my sister is well aware that while she is free to date whoever she wants - she is NOT to leave my nephews with any man she is dating. If anything were to happen to my nephews I’d slap the Sh!t out of her just as well as I’d try my BEST to hurt whoever elese is involved. Children can’t defend themselves against an adult. Esp an adult they themselves don’t know.
@ Bird…I totally agree with you. But if he did do it then he needs to pay for what he did.
There was a case here in NJ about a month ago where a little boy was alledgely(sp) murdered by the mother’s new boyfriend. The lil boy’s father stated that a month prior to the killing his son had a broken arm and the mother said that he had fallen, so I believe right now she is being investigated and the boyfriend is in jail for murder(something) that he probably didn’t do. All the injuries that the child had were old and new. The mother left the child there with him while she went to work. This **** is so sad..
brwnsugga4you
I think you are being a little TOO beligerent. You were not there when the child died so you and noone else knows what really happened except for those present and GOD. People flee out of fear, not always guilt. People always want to be judge and jury without any real facts……….
And no…..I am in no way affiliated with this case….I just get tired of people always wanting to be judges of other people. That’s not your job….The only job you have is to pray for all parties involved…Being an angry human being solves nothing!!!
Unfortunantly this is very sad. But what I want to know is did this man have any of those bi-polar tendencies perhaps like the young lady who was jailed for it? This spirit seems to be creeping around a lot amoungst our African american people. And a lot of us don’t even know about it until it happens to someone in your family. I mean if the family is adressing that Mr. Warren was not capable of even doing this type of thing and all maybe there’s a problem going on in his mind and he MAYBE snapped. I say this because I have a brother who just went through this episode started Jan.1st 2001 and totally shocked the Hell out our family. He was just doing things that he had never done before and the law informed us that when he acted out this way to stay out of his range because he could hurt himself,somebody or even one of us his family members. But I could not swollow that pill because I knew what type of man my brother was, harmeless to anyone. And to this day he has went off a couple of more times since then but I believe I know the answer to it. He got a hold of the wrong type of substance abuse and it caused him to hallucinate. So any of you drug user’s of any kind out there BEWARE!!!
Causes, incidence, and risk factors
Bipolar disorder affects men and women equally and usually appears between the ages of 15 and 25. The exact cause is unknown, but it occurs more often in relatives of people with bipolar disorder.
Bipolar disorder results from disturbances in the areas of the brain that regulate mood. During manic periods, a person with bipolar disorder may be overly impulsive and energetic, with an exaggerated sense of self. The depressed phase brings overwhelming feelings of anxiety, low self-worth, and suicidal thoughts.
There are two primary types of bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder I have had at least one fully manic episode with periods of major depression. In the past, bipolar disorder I was called manic depression.
People with bipolar disorder II seldom experience full-fledged mania. Instead they experience periods of hypomania (elevated levels of energy and impulsiveness that are not as extreme as the symptoms of mania). These hypomanic periods alternate with episodes of major depression.
A mild form of bipolar disorder called cyclothymia involves periods of hypomania and mild depression, with less-severe mood swings. People with bipolar disorder II or cyclothymia may be misdiagnosed as having depression alone.
Symptoms
The manic phase may last from days to months and include the following symptoms:
Elevated mood
Racing thoughts
Hyperactivity
Increased energy
Lack of self-control
Inflated self-esteem (delusions of grandeur, false beliefs in special abilities)
Over-involvement in activities
Reckless behavior
Spending sprees
Binge eating, drinking, and/or drug use
Sexual promiscuity
Impaired judgment
Tendency to be easily distracted
Little need for sleep
Easily agitated or irritated
Poor temper control
These symptoms of mania are seen with bipolar disorder I. In people with bipolar disorder II, hypomanic episodes involve similar symptoms that are less intense.
YOUR RIGHT ELOVE. THIS GUY COULD HAVE BEEN A DRUG DEALER SINCE HE HAD SO MUCH BREAD TO SPREAD AND WAS PROBABLY USING HIS OWN SUPPLY AND THAT’S WHY I SAY HE MAY BE GOING THROUGH THOSE BI-POLAR TENDENCIES!!!!!!
KNOWLEDGE IS TRUTH!
cutienjerzey Says:
@ Bird…I totally agree with you. But if he did do it then he needs to pay for what he did.
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No doubt. Both of the dudes I know did time. The guy who threw his girl’s baby against the wall did 14 years and the guy who accidently killed his child did 11 years after initially fleeing while out on bail. I think they did so little time because they took plea deals and the prosecutor may have taken into account that these guys really weren’t cold blooded killers.
Many people are saying don’t leave your child with anyone, which isn’t even realistic, and I was making the point that it’s possible that the guy was or seemed trustworthy up to that point. My mother was not a bad parent and I had many sitters as a child that were not relatives and the same applies to my oldest child. You have to entrust your child to someone’s care sometime. People work and moms also need downtime occasionally. I come from a working family so there were not people available like that for me to say I will only leave my children with family. If that makes me a neglegent parent then every parent with a child in daycare is neglegent.
My daughter most certainly stayed at home with my live-in boyfriend from time to time while I ran errands such as grocery shopping or even girls night out. My youngest daughter’s father lives with a woman he moved in after knowing her 2 months and I have to trust her with my child until she proves otherwise. I can’t deny my child a relationship with her father. Yet people are acting like it is the strangest thing in the world when it’s not.
So much money? Dang, he didn’t give her THAT much money. He had a job right - making cabinets? I don’t know why the black man always gotta be instantly labeled a drug dealer just because he gave a measly $700 to someone.
BUT, he obviously snapped on the child. I blame Herbert, Timika (and her mama for spelling her name like that), and Herbert’s head in the sand family.
Kids don’t stand a chance when they are surrounded by all these kind of fools. Bless his soul.
And as far as leaving your kids with someone goes, yeah, you sometimes have to leave them with caretakers, and yeah, the (paid) caretakers can harm your child. But the kid has a farless chance of being harmed at a daycare as opposed to a violent, strange, weird, drug selling, unemployed, loves kids tooo much (pedophile), happy to be @ home while you at work kind of man. You don’t have to leave the baby your pittbull having unemployed brothers either.
If a nigga aint good enough to marry me, he aint good enough to live with me, and he damn sure aint good enough to baby sit my kid. It’s not enough to be satisfied with a piss poor job where you have no other choice than for some sorry man to watch your child. The days of, “I’m a hard working single mother… this is my only choice…” are OVER. If you are in that situation, pause for a moment, go to SCHOOL, get financial assistance, day care thru the school and get yourself a REAL job where you can afford proper child care for the kids you didn’t plan for. There is no excuse for leaving your kid with this and that person. NONE. Hell, you can stay in a shelter and use their assistance until you can get a real job.
*You don’t have to leave the baby WITH your pittbull having, unemployed brothers either. *
I agree with you Smokie. You just about summed it up.
SMH at the family trying to shift the blame on the mother. The child died in HIS care period. What went on before that is irrelevant.
sounds like the Hogan family to me. Herbert or whatever the hell his name is is not the victim. That dead baby is.
Child died in his care. While he was watching him. End of story. All of this other stuff everyone is discussing, doesn’t matter in my eyes. When the jury reads the definition of the charges, and sees the evidence, all the extra stuff won’t matter IMO. So his lawyers, and families can taint the mama all day if they want. Fact is, he was watching him when the baby died. He said da kid fell off chair or sumthing, which proved to be untrue. So he lied. All the other stuff doesn’t matter.
@smokie… I WISH every woman that has children Had-Your-Mindset But SADLY Far Too Many Don’t. And ALL-of-the-THINGS you’ve mentioned I instilled in my daughter AND-THEN-SOME
Bird Says:
There is no excuse for killing a child, but knowing these two guys personally just showed me that good people can snap on a child.
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Exactly! People swear someone they know couldn’t murder a living thing, but they don’t know that person unless they live in their skin. They don’t know what anyone is capable of doing in a moment of anger.
Poetry777 Says:
brwnsugga4you
I think you are being a little TOO beligerent. You were not there when the child died so you and noone else knows what really happened except for those present and GOD. People flee out of fear, not always guilt. People always want to be judge and jury without any real facts……….
~~~GOD FORBID IF SOMETHING EVER HAPPENS TO YOUR CHILD…IF YOU HAVE ANY~~~~