Did Jay Z Kill Derrion Albert?

Sandra Rose September 29, 2009

These are not my words, but I can relate. I found this post on AOL Black Voices Entertainment board. You may not agree with the message because your sons wear their pants saggin’ and they immerse themselves in that criminal culture called Hip Hop. Or they idolize these thug rappers, who but for the grace of God would be behind bars or dead themselves.

But the reality is that the innocence of youth has been rudely snatched away by the violent and destructive imagery of Hip Hop despite what music mogul Russell Simmons and others who benefit from Hip Hop say.

The death of Derrion Albert..more fruit from the tree of thug worship.

Jay Z, a professed former crack dealer was on Oprah last week. Snoop Dogg is a cultural icon. Tupac is an iconic figure. Need I mention, 50 Cent, the Game, and the whole plethora of drug dealers, rapists, burglars, and other felons that black America worships.

Young black boys want to be them…
Old black men want to reclaim their youth by sagging by them…
Young black women, educated and non educated, want to F them and have babies by them..
Older black women consider them to be “real men”

Thug worship.

Until black America quits worshipping thugs, this violence will not end.

pinky2083

*blank stare*

Am I missing something?
flyqtnva

iTS TRUE SANDRA..THE GIRLS WORSHIP BEYONCE THE BOYS WORSHIP JAYZ…and with all the hidden messages in the music we are left with wanna be strippers thugs, and gangsters…they worship them as gods…young kids today dont have the fear of God..plain and simple..u raise your kids the best you can..but if something with a demonic influences grabs hold all u can do is pray..now your a joke if you can read or speak proper english..
missy

Okay I can agree that the media has an influence on how children act but a lot of these children look up to people in there neighborhoods more than they do these rappers so the person to be blamed is these childrens family because they allow there children to be exposed to these types of music and the type of friends they keep.

If parents and family members pay more attention to there family and not on other people’s family and let their children see that there is more to life then being a rapper or singer or playing a sport than these children will be better off.
Anna

pinky2083 Says:

*blank stare*

Am I missing something?
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Ditto. But maybe we dont’ get it because Sandra would say our skin is too white. LOL.
iscream

Who is Derrion Albert? I thought you were talking about his wife’s tackey clothing line at first.

I don’t know how to feel about this topic. On one hand. I HATE how America glorifies people in the industry period music n other. Just because you have a hit song that means you are qualified to do the job that some spend years in school for. I wish we shed some light on educated brothers more than these non educated, booty shaking, pants sagging, can’t speak in complete sentences people.

On the other hand just because someone spent time in the clanker doesn’t mean they don’t deserve a shot at life once they have done their time. Selling drugs is a bigger problem than the local street dealer. Its the suits who hold the power.
MrsHawthorne77

Jay-Z didn’t do it…Snoop didn’t do it either. The lack of common sense and the lack of respect for life is what killed Derrion Albert and every other black teen to senseless violence. I don’t care how many records these rappers put out talking about shooting somebody, selling drugs, and everything that comes along with that, until these young people learn to make better choices and believe that they can be better than what they are the violence will only continue.
flyqtnva

Young black boys want to be them…
Old black men want to reclaim their youth
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also a true statement and jayz is the perfect example..he stuck..famous people hate to be considered OLD! and he looks like he reliving his teen years..just based on the way he dresses and what he talks about in his music
MrsHawthorne77

missy says:

If parents and family members pay more attention to there family and not on other people’s family and let their children see that there is more to life then being a rapper or singer or playing a sport than these children will be better off.
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Well said.
aqtpie

Continuation of the blame game!!!
flyqtnva

mothers & fathers can never ever beat the machine….its reptitive for a reason..the spittin hate for a reason…not saying all children will gravitate (sp) to it but the ones that already have a lack of guidance should not be listening to that hawt garbage..music does effect you…it can make u happy, sad, angry, cry…
missy

i agree with you flyqtnva one day I had someone tell me and my sis that we sounded educated and we weren’t even talking about anything sensible I guess when you dont talk slang people are shocked that you can speak properly.

I didn’t know whether to be complimented or not but i was saddened that she was surprised that i could talk proper and i agree that you should pray for your family because there are a lot of demonic under tones in media Ad.s
flyqtnva

also taking God out of school, prayer out of school and replacing it with condoms and birth control sends a huge message..having 13-17 year olds on BET 106 & park watching ADULTS drink, partying, use drugs…makes no sense to me but i never hear people speak out about that..u got a whole room full of children singing blame it on the goose!
flyqtnva

@iscream
no one wants to see educated black people…thats why we end up with FRANKIE & NEFFE & TINY & TOYA…if educated blacks were on TV no one would watch…I watched the State of the Black union last year after the election I wanted to talk to people about it the next day…NO ONE WATCHED IT.. lol true but sad
iscream

Parents can only do but so much. Your children go to school and deal with peer pressure of fitting in so they subcome to the masses. They want to be down. So the girls hide clothes in their lockers, bookbags, at their friends house and change.

Boys can walk out with their pants on their waist and pull them down once they leave. You do the best you can and hope it sticks.

Its sad. & its not just the kids…. can’t wait till East comes and tears this post out.
flyqtnva

@missy
i dont take it as a compliment, it feels more like an insult..like WTF was I supposed to sound like..a pic of (Toya) pops up in my head…ESP ESP ESP if its a white person..but kids have said that to my 5 year old…Why does she sound like that…
flyqtnva

@iscream
yes peer pressue is a MONSTER!
missy

@flyqtnva my priest was just talking about this 2- weeks ago and i totally agree by giving these students mixed messages they to these students.For example they say don’t have sex until your married but they hand out condomns and birth control that makes no sense.Why don’t they just say if you don’t want to practice abstinence use condoms and birth control.
Daisy

Sorry Sandra dont me PRETTY PLEASE! Thanks

Dear Young Warriors fighting the wrong wars! Killing each other is definitely played out. Being hurt from the lost of a love one was never cool.

Dear Young Warriors fighting the wrong war! I know that feeling, that frustration with life and needing to take it out on someone, any one. But….

We chose the dumbest things to go the hardest for. I remember seeing deaths over 8 ball jackets, Fila sneakers, and name plate chains. Deaths over “he say, she say”!!!!! “I’m from this block or I’m from that block”, or “my moms n pops is f*cked up now the whole world gotta pay”!!!

I remember feeling like I was the hardest “n*gga” breathing. And I couldn’t wait to prove it. But let’s think. What are we really proving?? And proving what to who?? Everybody knows Chicago breeds the strongest of the strong but I just feel, me, being ya brother from another state feels your pain as if I grew up with you in ya very own household.

You have the ability and mindpower to change they way we are looked at. Look who’s watching us young warriors, look who’s throwing us in jail constantly, look at the ignorance in the world. Look at the racist dogs who love to see us down. Loving to bury us in the ground or in jail where we continue this worthless war on one another.

Young warriors…. We are WASTING more and more time. We gotta get on our jobs and take over the world. Cuz this movie left the theaters years ago, Juice, Menace, Boys n the Hood , Blood n Blood Out, Belly!

When we see each other why do we see hatred? Why were we born in a storm, born soldiers, WARRIORS….and instead of building each other up we are at war with each other.. May the soul of this young person find peace with the almighty. I’m with you young warriors. You’re me and I’m you. But trust me! you are fighting the wrong war.

This sh*t sucks !!

-Nas
Krysi J

Wow…. what big lips you have?
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Russell has a point…..LOL

I don’t about Jay Z….well….I see what he’s saying….

When Jay Z first stepped on the scene, when Biggie, Tupac, Spice 1, Nas, and all the other gangsta rappers were running the music charts, “bumpin” in everybody’s cars, these kids were babies…

They grew up with it, and nobody told these kids that this is music, not their lives, or something they should be modeling their lives after.

I see Russell’s point, but it ultimately falls on these parents…..

When Lil’ Jo Jo came in the room, reciting “all eyes on me”, barely walking, don’t know know his ABCs, Momma thought it was cute……Now Lil Jo Jo is 16, and a straight up thug……

The parental advisory sticker was placed on rap music, when we were coming out of high school…..It wasn’t until I had my own child, and I caught his little azz reciting “All Eyes on Me” word for word, that I really understood what they meant by “parental advisory”……

What I would like to see is all these rappers come together, do a Self Destruction kind of track, they do a tour of inner city schools across America…..talking to these kids upfront….as they are the ones these kids are really listening to, like it or not.

But that makes too much sense, and not enough money…..

I’d also like to see these hoodrat baby mommas stop defending their kids when they KNOW they wrong, and get on their azzes(when they are little showing the behavior), stop removing the fathers from the kids lives b/c he ain’t paying CS on time, and be parents to their babies…..I guess that makes too much sense too….
missy

@flyqtnva she was around my age and black and i was so shocked and felt it was so random because i didn’t know what to say but thank you at the time because i was but a lot of people say i sound like a white girl because i don’t talk like the rest of them but i don’t mind because they are so ignorant to me.
kcicero

The music industry has a lot to do with it but it’s more like the argument which came first the chicken or the egg?

In this case the parents lackadaisical attitude in rearing their children is the problem. Education is not valued, there is no moral code in our community any more. And I am a Muslim but I don’t necessarily believe that the main issue is lack of God. There are plenty of people who do not believe in organized religion but they still live by a moral code.

The problem is just complete and utter lack of morality and compassion for the HUMAN RACE and this is a universal problem, it’s not limited to the US.

It starts at home though, I have to believe that my prayers for my kids and my effort to raise them with self respect, confidence, belief in education and respect for all living things will be the barrier that they need to resist the peer pressure and media assault against them…
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

flyqtnva Says:
u got a whole room full of children singing blame it on the goose!

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I’m so embarrassed. Until this moment I never knew what “blame it on the goose” meant.
flyqtnva

@katgirl33

u made some good points but

THEY TOLD THE KIDS HIP HOP WAS THEIR CULTURE…EXPLAIN THAT & U WIN ME OVER…ITS YOUR CULTURe..U R HIP HOP..& hip hop is u..followed by images of JAYZ AND THAT ALL SEEING EYE..images of beyonce popping,..wine..beer..champagne..cars..hoes.more hoes..booty every where..its ur culture…IF THAT ANIT BRAINWASHING AT ITS FINEST IDK what is…and once u have that with a forming mind = total destruction and break down
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

About Nas’s letter, I say this:

Come to Chicago and go to Fenger, Nas! Come to the Chi, bring 50 Cent, EMINEM, and a couple of others with you, and read your letter….cause trust me, them kids aint gon read it.
flyqtnva

@missy
one time when i was 17 i got a job off of a phone interview ALONE..i went to work that following MONDAY…TO MY SHOCK..THEY ALL THOUGHT I WAS WHITE! lol a black lady pulled me to the side later that day and said girl they all thought u were white..
starr

When people don’t want to take responsibilities for their own actions, they look for someone else to blame. When parents don’t wanna take responsibilities for the job their doing or lack there off, they look for someone else to blame. So typical.

How about these parents look at themselves. Look at wtf there doing. but i guess that would be too hard…cuz they’d have to accept the guilt on their part. I can’t believe folks are still trying to blame the entertainers for there bull shyt. Jay was there, lil wayne wasn’t there, and he didn’t tell them to do shyt.

Like eminem said “They say music can alter moods and talk to you,But can it load a gun for you and cock it too?”

Folks need to get real…no wonder these kids are savages….
flyqtnva

@Sandra Rose

4 real sandra why do u think BET would do that? And why hasnt anyone spoken out about it?
MrsHawthorne77

@ Daisy says:

We chose the dumbest things to go the hardest for.
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So true! I remember my mom telling me how she spent the night in jail as a teenager for marching for civil rights. It didn’t really make an impact on me until I got older and was able to see what freedoms our ancestors fought so hard for and for what?!?!?!
MrsHawthorne77

sidebar: Can someone tell me what I’m doing wrong??? I’m trying to get my avatar displayed and it’s just not working for me.
flyqtnva

@starr
m also said he felt he got possessed by the devil to…think he could have done it?
starr

@mrs. hawthorne. If everything is set on gravatar.com…then, clear ur cache…sometimes it takes awhile to show up on the site
Daisy

@sandra

Although I would LOVE to see the music cleaned up I think this is much deeper than musical influences. Some kids just do NOT value human live theirs or the next mans. We as a people just need to reclaim our communites and families.

@Kat I hope he does go to Chi and works with Kanye/Common. I know Kanye does work with his mothers foundation to keep kids in school.
The Divine Ms. K

I didn’t read all the comments, but I’m gonna leave mine.

To blame an artist, a book, a movie, etc… for all of the violence that occurs within our culture is just trying to paint the source of the problem with a broad brush.

Bottom line – PARENTS need to step up and do their part to police and raise their children. And if not the parent, some other responsible and sensible adult. I heard all the booty popping music, saw all the video chicks gyrating around while I growing up – and I didn’t turn into a stripper or whatever.

And no matter WHAT these kids listen to, no matter WHAT rap artist brags about being shot or popping someone – you know GOOD and DAMN well that hitting someone upside the head w/ a rail tie is not right and I’m not going to excuse these kid’s actions by saying they listened to too much rap. One of their mama’s is already defending them.

Until excuses stop being made and some parenting is done (trust me, I feared my mama and grandmama over ANY one in the street’s influence and wrath) then all of this will continue.
missy

Also i grew up in a not so good neighborhood and the parents didn’t care if the kids go to school.Some parents would allow the child to stay home if their clothes weren’t ironed if the electricity was off but since they were going to public school i guess the didn’t care and some of the young men dropped out of school and their parents would let them stay home and chill outside all day and hang with the bad boys.

Two of them had the audacity to ask me and my sis if we would go out with them but i said no because they don’t want to do anything with their lives but chill on the block because they think they are so fine but in reality they motivated me to do better(i think they liked me and my sis probably because we weren’t like the other girls who they could spit some weak game to and fall for them and wanted to get a education).
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Fly, I think this is where the parents should be stepping in and letting kids know…..that mess ain’t real

It’s only entertainment…..

You are right though….these kids are looking at that mess, and thinking they can go sell drugs and get it…..without even giving a second thought that the shyt is an act?

Doesn’t it seem our babies are brainwashed???

I remember when I used to watch videos for the hairstyles, and whatever Salt n Pepa was wearing……LOL LOL
missy

@flyqtnva
missy

@ Sandra are you serious lol lol
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

@The Divine Ms. K Says:

100% co-sign those kids don’t have cable~~these are project kids it’s there parents fault for not wanting to do better. Nobody forces you to raise your kids in the projects these parents don’t care and the kids don’t care. It’s nobody fault but the people raising them. MY kids go to private school and I promised myself if I had to work at wendys to cover there payment they will never go to school with project kids ever…
flyqtnva

there is enough blame to go around I’m sure…however if the “ARTIST”… ARE CHANTING & PUTTING SPELLS & SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES IN MUSIC & MOVIES THEN THAT IS AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM. y DO U HAVE TO USE A SUBLIMINAL TO GET ME TO WANT UR PRODUCT?

And y would any “adult” be on 106& park pushing what they are selling to kids…I want us to whole everyone accountable..but something just is not right here…a 40 year old an taking interest in children is a chester where I’m from..so why are all these adults hitting up 106&park when they are rapping and singing about things the 13-17 age group should NOT be hearing?
SunnyPA

Babies have been raising babies … how can babies be parents when they don’t have a clue?

Damn, you guys are on it, another great post and many great comments.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

I know Ms. K! I seen that mess too:

One of their mama’s is already defending them.

..talking about “how can they tell that’s him from the video?”

Me, talking to the TV:
BIYATCH!!! Have you ever heard of “DIGITAL ENHANCEMENT”??? Goofy????

I wanted to jump through the TV….LOL LOL LOL
starr

@fly

when did he say that and what was he talking about

But on the real, parents have to do their parents. dont’ count on rappers and athletes to raise ur kid. Its okay to like these people, but parents should do their part in letting there kids know…what really is right, and what is really is wrong. Its cop out to blame a someone else. They live in ur house, eat ur food, and they are urs to rear.
iscream

So how is it that two children raised in the same household, by the same parents can take two different paths in life? One a college grad the other a drug dealer.

Drug dealers and low lifes aren’t only in the “hood” or projects either.

fly said
“having 13-17 year olds on BET 106 & park watching ADULTS drink, partying, use drugs…makes no sense to me but i never hear people speak out about that..u got a whole room full of children singing blame it on the goose!” so very true.

@ Daisy did I miss something. Why would you get banned? I didn’t see any links or site call outs? Was a new rule posted?
flyqtnva

@NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com
I dont know what projects u referring to but..they got it all..TV. CABLE..BLACKBERRY..GARMAN..40.. INCH PLASMA..LEX..COUP..BEAMER & THE BENZ…POOR ANIT EVEN REALLY POOR IN THE HOOD…IT SOME PEOPLE IN THE HOOD LIVING BETTER THAN US RIGHT NOW YO..DONT GET IT TWISTED
WHO U THINK BUYING ROCAWEAR & HOUSE OF DEREON
LovelyLady

@ Divine…I so agree with you

People are looking for something or someone to blame. Its the lack of God and eduction that is destroying us. Parents dont even go to church so why would their child? Its so sad. However you want to put it the parent controls ALL situations. If your child is listening to rap, hip hop or whatever you allowed them to, if they are idolizing Beeyonce and Jay Z why arent you controlling what they watch and hear. Im sorry but i grew up on hip hop and i have not killed anyone, sold drugs my body nor my soul. I do agree it has SOME influence but with a strong parental hold how cna they influence your child and not you. In high school girls were smoking weed in the bathroom, sexing dudes up in stairwells and God knows what else, do you think I followed behind them KNOWING it was wrong as they did too….HELL NAH, i was terrified of my moma. Real Talk.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

if music can influence you like that u already lost and being lost can only be blamed on who brought you up but even then they cant control everything you do. kids these days are just a different breed and detached from emotion
starr

so why are all these adults hitting up 106&park when they are rapping and singing about things the 13-17 age group should NOT be hearing?

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isn’t this where a parent should come in?
kcicero

The Shannon mother stupidly said her son was defending himself when he himself admitted that the poor boy never touched him…

@ Nichelle, 100% co-sign those kids don’t have cable~~these are project kids it’s there parents fault for not wanting to do better.

I have to disagree here these kids may live in the projects but they definitely have cable. I’m from north philly projects and lived there for ten years before my father saved up enough to buy us a house. Almost every family had cable.

Even now when I had to go to Temple’s campus and I’d ride through the projects there are satellite dishes hanging from the tops of their roofs just like any suburban home…shoot comcast not good enough even for the projects anymore…

But I wholeheartedly agree that the problem lies with the parents but the hip hop culture does play a role…
starr

flyqtnva Says:

@NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com
I dont know what projects u referring to but..they got it all..TV. CABLE..BLACKBERRY..GARMAN..40.. INCH PLASMA..LEX..COUP..BEAMER & THE BENZ…POOR ANIT EVEN REALLY POOR IN THE HOOD…IT SOME PEOPLE IN THE HOOD LIVING BETTER THAN US RIGHT NOW YO..DONT GET IT TWISTED
WHO U THINK BUYING ROCAWEAR & HOUSE OF DEREON

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I gotta agree. when i was h.s. all the kids that lived in the projects had the flyest ish. I think thats what they call hood rich…idk
SunnyPA

The babies raising babies cycle is a few generations deep.
starr

Babies have been raising babies … how can babies be parents when they don’t have a clue?

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Tru Tru

My neighbor is the same age as me and have two already…but she still out in the streets fighting….smh
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Nechelle Says:

100% co-sign those kids don’t have cable~~

Girl…..I hope you don’t believe that…..LMAO….believe me, these kids got cable, definitely watching 106 & Park….paid for or bootleg…..LOL!
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

flyqtnva Says:

THEY TOLD THE KIDS HIP HOP WAS THEIR CULTURE…EXPLAIN THAT & U WIN ME OVER…ITS YOUR CULTURe..U R HIP HOP..& hip hop is u..followed by images of JAYZ AND THAT ALL SEEING EYE..images of beyonce popping,..wine..beer..champagne..cars..hoes.more hoes..booty every where..its ur culture…IF THAT ANIT BRAINWASHING AT ITS FINEST IDK what is…

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LovelyLady

Most children cant help that they live in the “projects or ghetto”. That is a state of mind. You can be classy and educated and live in the “project/ghetto”. Not all people living under these circumstances are uneducated folks killing eachother. Its about loving God and accepting him. U can come from the worst streets in the US but if you walking with God you have no worries.
Ghetto is a word to label black people. Why is that there area also so many whites on welfare but I NEVER see them that much in none of the hoods Ive ever been to. If anybody from DC you know what Im talkign about. I never see YT’s in SE, NE, NW, SW projects. They all get to go to rich counties like Montgomery County. They are keeping blacks grouped otgether so they can kill off eachother and if wwe dont wake up thats exactly what will happen.
LovelyLady

And hip hop isnt the only music culure like this. You have Rock adn Roll and even Pop singers sending out wrong messages but no one speaks in that.
Daisy

@ice I was talking to SR off line but it was before I saw this post so I went on and cut and pasted what my baby Nas said lol

@east I agree I said as well some of these kids do not value and respect their own life so they sure dont care about the next mans life BUT I want to know where that disconnect comes from and HOW to fix it.
LovelyLady

eastpointvet Says:

if music can influence you like that u already lost and being lost can only be blamed on who brought you up
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So tru
kcicero

They are keeping blacks grouped otgether so they can kill off eachother and if wwe dont wake up thats exactly what will happen.
missy

flyqtnva Says:

I dont know what projects u referring to but..they got it all..TV. CABLE..BLACKBERRY..GARMAN..40.. INCH PLASMA..LEX..COUP..BEAMER & THE BENZ…POOR ANIT EVEN REALLY POOR IN THE HOOD…IT SOME PEOPLE IN THE HOOD LIVING BETTER THAN US RIGHT NOW YO..DONT GET IT TWISTED
WHO U THINK BUYING ROCAWEAR & HOUSE OF DEREON

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I agree with this statement and some people think that it’s a joke but this is so true and if you look at them you wouldn’t know that they were from the hood.
starr

blame it on the goose??? Isn’t grey goose a drink? I’m not udnerstanding………the whole goose thing here
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Oh, and just to clarify,

There are no projects within 2 miles of Fenger High School….there are no projects no where near Fenger…..the closest complex to this school that I know to be a project is on 107th, near Ashland….in another HS district (Morgan Park, one of the “better” -if you can call it that- schools).

The next one is Altgeld Gardens….they have a HS on their grounds….Carver MILITARY Academy.

My point is, these kids could live in the finest houses, parents driving the flashiest cars, and still be wrapped up in mess like this…it doesn’t matter
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

LovelyLady Says:
And hip hop isnt the only music culure like this. You have Rock adn Roll and even Pop singers sending out wrong messages but no one speaks in that.

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White kids are affected by rock n roll’s message of glorifying drugs. But rock n roll doesn’t tell them to go out and kill each other and degrade their women like rap music does. They’re killing themselves with drugs, not each other.
goat76

Co-sign Eastpoint #47…….Some of ya’ll are really lost…..
iscream

starr Says:

blame it on the goose??? Isn’t grey goose a drink? I’m not udnerstanding………the whole goose thing here
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I believe he is saying do what you will and blame it on the alcohol. Goose, henny, vodka…. the more I think about it how did that song ever make it to the air?
The Divine Ms. K

I’m w/ Lovely. I grew up in a section of Dallas that people go “Oh, you one of those Oak Cliff girls??” like I wasn’t ISH.

We were not rich growing up. My mom, for awhile, was a single mother raising 3 kids and two of us had chronic illnesses – diabetes and asthma. But, my mother’s insistence on us getting an education NEVER faltered. Her values that she instilled in us NEVER deviated. We were EXPECTED to do well in school, get jobs if we needed them, and go to college. And we did.

We couldn’t help where we lived – it’s about the mentality and parents being parents and not expecting schools and music to babysit and raise their damn kids.
goat76

What was the reason for crime, and drugs in the black community back in the 60’s and 70’s…….Yup HipHop….GTFOH……
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

katgirl33 Says:
Oh, and just to clarify,

There are no projects within 2 miles of Fenger High School….

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And let’s not forget that all those kids killing Derrion attended a Christian school and they wore school uniforms, not gang attire.
LovelyLady

@62 Exactly,

Its not about where you’re raised its about WHO raised you.

This world is coming to an end as we know it. We got same sex couples marrying (no offense), same sex couples adopting. Sex changes, cross dressing, bombing countries, corruption. extortion, and sooooooo much more. This world is on its last days trust me.
flyqtnva

@starr
Thats my point its 2 ways but people are saying it soley at the parents feet I agree and somewhat not cause as iscream put it:

Parents can only do but so much. Your children go to school and deal with peer pressure of fitting in so they subcome to the masses. They want to be down. So the girls hide clothes in their lockers, bookbags, at their friends house and change.

Boys can walk out with their pants on their waist and pull them down once they leave. You do the best you can and hope it sticks.

Its impossible when you have people DEAD SET ON WINNING OVER YOUR CHILD FOR THEIR MATERIAL PROFIT! AND ALL IM SAYING IS WHAT KIND OF ADULT WOULD DO THAT?
LovelyLady

goat76 Says:
What was the reason for crime, and drugs in the black community back in the 60’s and 70’s…….Yup HipHop….GTFOH……

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https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

goat76 Says:
What was the reason for crime, and drugs in the black community back in the 60’s and 70’s…….Yup HipHop….GTFOH……

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Stay on topic please. We’re not taking about crime as a whole in the black community, we’re talking about children killing each other at a rapid rate. I grew up in the 70s in a poor neighborhood in the Bronx and not one of my fellow students died at the hands of another kid or from drugs.
missy

@ starr the song is pretty much saying that the (grey) goose (and other alcoholic beverages )is to blame for his actions

And i agree that you don’t have to live in the hood to display bad behavior but if your parents or a guardian isn’t there to show you some sort of care then you will turn to other people to get what you are missing at home and be sensationalized by what the media offers you.(and there are a lot of educaed individuals in the hood trying to find there way to make life better)
kcicero

goat76 Says:

What was the reason for crime, and drugs in the black community back in the 60’s and 70’s,Yup HipHop,GTFOH

Sooooo true goat, rap came about as a product of the culture being created in our communities. When there was no one holding us back from education, it no longer became important and this is also the root of our problem…

Blacks are lost because they no longer have a cause…
iscream

It’s a sign of the times that have changed. Radio programming needs to be revamped. People are on the air cursing durning morning radio. TV programming shows more and more outlandish things durning the daytime. It’s all about the dollar right now. What ever they have to do to get advertisment money.

I’ve always said it’s the powers that be who approve these things that people need to go after. Growing up we use to sing Popcorn love. I don’t know what these kids are singing nowadays. Trey songs?
LovelyLady

And i agree that you don’t have to live in the hood to display bad behavior but if your parents or a guardian isn’t there to show you some sort of care then you will turn to other people to get what you are missing at home and be sensationalized by what the media offers you.(and there are a lot of educaed individuals in the hood trying to find there way to make life better)
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Exactly its the lack of parental control.
missy

(and there are a lot of educated individuals in the hood trying to find there way to make life better)
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

LMAO Auntie.

The name of the High School is Christian Fenger….

Nearly(not all of them) every high school in Chicago wears a uniform…..Last year, Fenger’s uniform was Red polo, Khaki pants….and they STILL was out there fighting…..so they changed the polo color from Red to Black, b/c Red connotes a gang affiliation….Fenger got their emblems on the polos now….didn’t have that last year.

I think somebody(I don’t know who) is trying to take out the gang thing, b/c our Mayor is in Denmark, TRYING TO BRING THE OLYMPICS TO CHICAGO

This was a gang battle…..
goat76

@Sandra…..Yeah stay on topic….I am on topic….I cant help if you don’t want to hear the truth….
iscream

goat76 Says:

What was the reason for crime, and drugs in the black community back in the 60’s and 70’s…….Yup HipHop….GTFOH……
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Survival was the reason back then. It was us vs them! It was us being tired of being treated less than. It was us wanting more for ourselves.

These kids now a days are fighting for NOTHING! a block? I mean really. You don’t own NOTHING on that block. & the dealer you are killing is getting his drugs from the same supplier. I never understood that.
flyqtnva

@iscream

I believe he is saying do what you will and blame it on the alcohol. Goose, henny, vodka…. the more I think about it how did that song ever make it to the air?
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nOT ONLY THAT BUT WHY WAS IT SHOWN ON 106& PARK AND NONE OF THOSE KIDS 13-17 ARE ABLE TO GET INT HE CLUB OR BUY A DRINK…AND THEY SITTING THERE SINGING IT??

I guess what i should have said from jump is SOMEWHERE SOMEONE FOR SOME REASON IS UNDERMINING THE PARENTS!
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

goat76 Says:
@Sandra…..Yeah stay on topic….I am on topic….I cant help if you don’t want to hear the truth….

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The truth is that 5 black kids died in Chicago last week. Something like 50 kids died in Chicago this year. Who killed them? Other black children. When I was growing up none of my friends died. If a child died in the city it was BIG news. Nowadays it’s ho-hum, another one dead.
kcicero

Sandra Says:
Stay on topic please. We’re not taking about crime as a whole in the black community, we’re talking about children killing each other at a rapid rate. I grew up in the 70s in a poor neighborhood in the Bronx and not one of my fellow students died at the hands of another kid or from drugs.
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With all due respect gangs and its subsequent violence have been in existence since the late 1960’s early 1970’s…just because you didn’t hear about it doesn’t children killing children didn’t exist. My Uncle was in a gang called Sugar Hill crew from Philadelphia and he was shot…Black on Black youth crime…
The Divine Ms. K

I think you’re on topic @ goat. lol
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

all kids that got to school here where uniforms this is not LA where it;s people in Red and Blue every kid that attends school have to wear uniforms no street cloths that means nothing..
goat76

Man crips & bloods, GD’s, Folk….etc been here way before Hiphop….they been fighting over turf long before Hiphop…..I never heard any hiphop on the show goodtimes….LOL

@iscream…they were doing the same thing back then….fighting over blocks, drug turf then….and that was before Jay-Z 50 cent or Hip Hop
kwall

if music can influence you like that u already lost and being lost can only be blamed on who brought you up but even then they cant control everything you do. kids these days are just a different breed and detached from emotion
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cosign with this right here.
flyqtnva

@iscream

the truth to the young black youth
but shorty runnin round smokin sess
drinking beer and anit trying to hear
what i’m kickin in his ear
iscream

Nowadays it’s ho-hum, another one dead.
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Hate to admit it but my initial comment confirms that. I had to look up who Derrion Albert was. Some kid just got stabbed to death on the steps of the Library in Manhattan.. & got away.
starr

Man crips & bloods, GD’s, Folk….etc been here way before Hiphop….they been fighting over turf long before Hiphop…..I never heard any hiphop on the show goodtimes….LOL
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There’s a documentary about this that i cant’ remember the name of …..
kwall

These kids now a days are fighting for NOTHING! a block? I mean really. You don’t own NOTHING on that block. & the dealer you are killing is getting his drugs from the same supplier. I never understood that.

The truth is that 5 black kids died in Chicago last week. Something like 50 kids died in Chicago this year. Who killed them? Other black children. When I was growing up none of my friends died. If a child died in the city it was BIG news. Nowadays it’s ho-hum, another one dead.
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um with all do respect i am gonna need for yall to watch the movie “Cooley High” the next time it comes on.

set in late 1960’s chicago….this BEEN going on.
iscream

@ Goat

Okay, I’ll say that’s true.

BUT

It was more confined back then. HIP HOP IS HUGE it has a following. So now they are getting that message out to the masses as opposed to people on the blocks.
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

the world coming to a end that’s what it boils down to~~it’s time to get our houses in order

and kids cant control where there raised but parents sure can…
starr

Some kid just got stabbed to death on the steps of the Library in Manhattan.. & got away.
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I hope someone recogizes him…the photo the tourist took…doesn’t really give ya a good luck at his face though…
missy

I think that rap,rock n roll,pop and all other type of music do influence what kids do and this has been like that for years.I think that if children had a stronger foundation then they could rise above what they see everyday and like someone said children are having children(they don’t really understand how to raise a child because they barely grew up themselves and a 40 yr old is a great-great grand mother)i just think that this cycle needs to be stopped but it seems to be going on and on.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Auntie says:

The truth is that 5 black kids died in Chicago last week. Something like 50 kids died in Chicago this year. Who killed them? Other black children. When I was growing up none of my friends died. If a child died in the city it was BIG news. Nowadays it’s ho-hum, another one dead.
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More than that died last year. This type of violence has been going on in Chicago schools for quite sometime….a couple of years back, a young man was shot and killed on the West side…just off school campus, same kind of fight, but they had guns, not sticks and bricks…..
kwall

*due.
sorry.
would hate for the sr grammar squad to come after me for using improper english and what not….
flyqtnva

@goat76
and sense the we supposedly grew as human and technology was suppose to make us better..so what happened? Rap came along and easy e talking about what happened in LA..WAS THEN PACKAGED AND BROADCASTED TO THE WORLD…Now its become a culture where they are magazines, news outlets, blogs, awards shows, commericals all using the same words..HIP HOP CULTURE…we anit have no bloods and crips in VA when i was younger but after people found out what it WAS VIA TV..all of a sudden gangs are everywhere…u cannot deny this important link..coupled with a single working mom, daddy no where to be found cause HIP HOP CULTURE SAYS EFF UR BABY MAMA….u got a shorty running around spaced the hell out! And you cant deny volience is being marketed to kids…take the parents to task and the artist to…see how much the sell when only adults are able to buy that mess..
iscream

More than that died last year. This type of violence has been going on in Chicago schools for quite sometime
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I think Chicago is where Myra Panache has dedicated a post a day displaying the murders in the Chi because it’s so bad.

@ Starr isn’t that crazy that they got away in such a busy area? I mean after 9/11 they should have NY on lock. Where were the cops? That library may very well be a landmark. I just don’t get that.
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

@katgirl33 Says:

thank you and did you just see the news where they ask his advisor about how does he feel he kept talking about bring home the olympics figures~~not concerned at all…
starr

It was actually the main post office in the city…which is somewhat of landmark….which would make wonder why there isn’t security around that building. Things like that scare me. How someone could just randomly stab someone like that…..
iscream

Now its become a culture where they are magazines, news outlets, blogs, awards shows, commericals all using the same words..HIP HOP CULTURE…we anit have no bloods and crips in VA when i was younger but after people found out what it WAS VIA TV..all of a sudden gangs are everywhere…
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say girl. THERE WERE NO BLOODS AND CRIPS where I grew up either. I’m still shocked when I hear Bloods and Crips are in NY like really. I remember Decepticon’s (sp) from FT. Green PJ but those people stayed confined to their area. When I lived in Harlem I never heard of gangs only once I moved to BK.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Hell naw he ain’t concerned! You know, ain’t nobody seen the Chief of Police either! The mugs was a top member of the FBI before he became Chief…..

Ain’t stepped foot in that particular hood since this shyt happened…..probably in Denmark with the mayor….
goat76

@Sandra….the way you put it….Hiphop killed those kids….You blaming Hiphop??…but at the sametime you using hiphop to a certain degree for your site/pics, your at the same club where hiphop was/is being played….but you aint out there killing anybody….why is that..(maybe it was because the way your raised)..Cause you got better sense then that…even though you may act otherwise….No Diss
kcicero

By Reagan Gomez…

So, watching the video of Derrion Albert getting killed on the street got me thinking….Are our young Black men an “endangered species”? I’ve heard that before. But now that I’m a mother, it takes on a whole new meaning. And if that’s the case, who or what, is the cause of the downfall? Sadly, I think we all know the answer to that question.
A lot of people woke up the day after the election and saw that, their problems were the same. And with the rise of unemployment, and the cost of everything going up, and the staggering number of single mothers, we’re seeing the end result. Our kids are pissed off and frustrated. Momma is working 2 and 3 jobs, struggling to keep it together, and kids are left on their own. This isn’t a new problem. We know this. But the fact that this took place, in Chicago, says a lot. But then again, crime in Chicago is nothing new. Before, or after the election.

I’m a mom now. My daughter is two. No parent ever wants to get the call that Derrion’s mom, and countless other mothers have gotten. My father is a forensic pathologist for the city of Philadelphia (another high crime city), and murder is such a real problem in our community. Do we know who started the fight? Does it matter? I know what I saw on the tape. When you’re in that rage, it’s all, emotional. You just wanna fight the closest thing to you. And most of the time, it’s someone who looks just like you. And guess what? They’re going through the same thing you’re going through. I feel like, we, as a society, put so much pressure on women in general. Especially, BLACK and HISPANIC women. But when it comes to single mothers, are we doing enough? I don’t know if Derrion’s mom was a single mom, but I know the numbers. Are we doing enough??

Is Derrion going to be the “Neda” to the plight of the young black man in America? The countless other “Derrions” have gone unnoticed. When do we do our part? And what exactly does that entail? I don’t know. But while we continue to blog about the latest “Phat Ass” or latest “Celeb Jump Off” more and more mothers are getting that call.
I want to commend Nas for blogging about this. Maybe now it’s time for more “Black Celebrity Men” to do the same. I know a lot of them reach out and give back. Probably more than we know.

But is it time to do more? And should it be their responsibility? I don’t know. But I do know, if you’re the parent of a teenage black or brown male, you can use all of the help you can get, making sure your child makes it to adulthood. Yes, this is America. Obama is in office. We tell our kids, they can be whatever they want to be with hard work, and determination. We tell our kids, they can make anything happen. We tell our kids they can solve all of the world’s problems. Maybe it’s time, our kids start telling us the same thing.
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

@katgirl33 Says: Right I bet his azz there to and Obama and Oprah can all ride and talk about how bad black kids are SMH…
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

and I haven’t heard a peep from mom maybe she’s taking this real hard or granddad was raising him alone..
kwall

awe man. not to be clashing again today but hip-hop started “eff your baby mama” too @fly?

while they are watching my recommended “Cooley High” about gangs and violence that have BEEN present in Chicago since way back before hip-hop…

i am gonna need for you to watch “Claudine” about single mothers and the “eff your baby mama syndrome” both of which were present and thriving way before hip-hop too.

these movies have been recommended today for your viewing pleasure your girl kwall. my name is kwallace and i approve of this message.
starr

ON myspace…i use to have friends on the west coast, and most of em said that they thought the gang thing was a westcoast thing. One of em even said, they din’t think “new york was with that shyt”.

Me personally when i was in h.s. i didnt’ know anybody that was in gang. But i did knwo they were out there…somewhere….
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

It’s a lot of things stacked against these kids, both in the family(such as a broken home/no parental guidance) and in society….and a lot of them don’t even care…
ELove

@goat
Regarding the drug epidemic in the 60’s and 70’s …
OUR black soldiers came back DRUG-ADDICTS & JOBLESS and thus the Supply-n-Demand ECO-CHAIN became evident

The U.S. Government continued with Black-Ops & CIA regulated operations to INCREASE the Drug-Supply to OUR Communities and THUS Street gangs became more powerful and THE TOOL for the government in their continued DESTRUCTION of the Black Community via the Drug-Trade ALONG WITH the Judicial Systems enforcement of drug sentences to Blacks being far more harsher than that for Whites
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

ooh KWall,

you naming off the movies, ain’t you? LOL

Claudine is already part of the collection
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

Claudine my fav movie she had a lot of kids
kcicero

@ Nichelle she did speak out, it’s on another site…
flyqtnva

ELove
i you

Youre always on point
starr

@nichelle

On cnn, they said that his mom was taking it really hard. I think she was suppose to be on rey sanchez yesterday, but i don’t know if it happened cuz it seemed like minute, and i havne’t seen any clips of it…
goat76

@Fly #98….Do you control your Household or do your TV and radio run the house?……Do your kids tell you what to do?…….The crips and the bloods would soon enough travel to other parts of the country……Crack cocaine didn’t travel to the south via the internet or hiphop………
kcicero

Goat and KWALL
iscream

Kwallace too funny. Claudine… That movie was taped on the block where my aunt use to live. Edgecombe Ave.

but who said eff your baby mama? What ever happened to those kids real daddy anyway.

I view that movie more of a single mother trying to get her groove back on all while raising six kids.

Oohhh are you speaking of the daughter getting pregnant?
Charles

Yep this is why I don’t hang around the black communities black neighborhoods, I stay farrrrr away from hoodrats heathens and thugs and preach the importance of finding white spouses from the suburbs!! Call it what you want but ill be damned if anyone in my family gets killed over niggatry about being “hard” and being “hood”

How about being smart, getting a degree, raising your credit score, white people have had this right for milleniums and perhaps we should look to them for idols yep that’s what I think

I made a joke about changing my race to other at the dmv but its nigga shit like this that makes me want to do it… that poor boy dead over foolishness… people say and identify him asa honor student, no honors don’t make u better or worse, he is a child who was murdered this is horrible! Andd not because of hate,race,war but because of ignorant nigg**s who want prison and a felony record, why because their idols do it right???

Imgaine if they looked to britney or justin timberlake, taylor swift good role models how much better these kids would be
kcicero

Sooo true ELOVE, it is an institutionalized problem in this country and the only way to change it is through awareness and education…
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

His mother was on TV locally Saturday night……saddest clip I have ever seen…she cried during the whole thing…..he looked just like her….
flyqtnva

@kwall
iDK why u keep coming at me yo..I SAID IN HIP HOP CULTURE ..ITS EFF UR BABY MAMA…

NEED AN EXAMPLE..look no further than the fact MANY OF THEM HAVE COURT ORDERED CHILD SUPPORT..Y NOT PAY IT ON UR OWN..
goat76

@ E-love..What’s up pimpin…and not at one time did you blame Hiphop….this sh it is way bigger than hiphop….and it start in the HOME
candycane

So he really didnt kill anyone, just the image of him caused someone else to do it?
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

LMAO CHARLES!
missy

I agree with Reagan Gomez the first thing that came to my mind was the whole situation with that “Neda” it’s a different thing to know and to hear that something is happening but when you see what actually happens that gives you a reality check and you see that it is way worse than you can imagine it.
flyqtnva

@KWALL
OUT OF ALL THE POSITIVE THING I SAID…GIVE ME A BREAK YO.. i let yall break me down to your level yesterday…

I DONT WANNA PLAY NO MORE

LOL
goat76

Sh it I’m 33 and my daddy ain’t paid no child support…….
starr

Imgaine if they looked to britney or justin timberlake, taylor swift good role models how much better these kids would be

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how about some of em get a mentor or somebody thats realistic for them to look to…..i never looked to celebrities….i dont’ know em…..
flyqtnva

@goat76
my KIDS
iscream

wow Charles I actually have to give it up to you
miamore73

121 comments before mine so i can’t read them all.

But my opinion is that we can’t keep blaming everyone else for our childrens problems. I have a set of twin brothers that would get in trouble at school and somehow they’re mother thought it was the teachers fault. But she wasn’t doing sh*t at home to chastise those boys to teach them right from wrong what was and wasnt’ acceptable behavior. This is a household that did have a man in it but my dad was an alcoholic. But he was raised in a household with no father. It’s a chain. My dad wasn’t taught sh*t so he couldn’t teach my brothers sh*t. Now he could have chosen to break that chain and so could my brothers but neither did so the chain for them continues. We have to see the mistakes made before us and try to correct them. A mistake is a mistake it doesn’t have to become permanent.

We have to accept responsibility for our children and the shit that they are doing. If they have a friend that looks like he may need some guidance for whatever reason offer it to him. Don’t just say oh that ain’t my kid that ain’t my problem. Cause it is.
kwall

but who said eff your baby mama? What ever happened to those kids real daddy anyway.
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they all had diff. daddies from what i could tell @isc.

the DADDIES all said “eff your baby mama” and left her high and dry stuck in harlem with all them dayum chiren.

and if i remember correct james earl jones said eff HIS baby mama too and was trying to dodge her so he would not hafta pay child support.

all of that was waaaaay before hip-hop.

just like in “cooley high”. the fellas they had beef with was not listening to no hip-hop.

so what do we blame all THOSE problems on is my question. the single mother and the violence due to riff raff back in the 60’s and 70’s? i used those movies that portrayed both issues to get my point across.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

LOL

Mine either Goat, I’m 35……..When I had my son, all that went through my head is that I have a baby now, a son that I have to raise into a man…..I decided that I wasn’t going to let no woman(including me) come between my son and his father.

My family had a problem initially with me sending my son to his Dad…I didn’t care, I’m not giving my son to the streets…..the only one who agreed with me was my brother….as did we, he grew up without his father….
flyqtnva

@goat76
my KIDS are 5 and 2 and HELL no they dont watch videos, or listen to rap..I DONT LET THEM WATCH BEYONCE VIDS EITHER…my sis who is a huge BEYONCE FAN will..we get into it all the time..cause my baby will say auntie showed me halo I told her you was gonna be mad…..KIDS IMITATIE (SP) what THEY SEE WHETHER U WISH TO ACCEPT THAT OR NOT…i have seen enough 5 year olds p poppin to know they do what they say not what u tell them …now i just gave you an example on how people undermine parents all at the same time!
kcicero

Charles stop it!!! Don’t act like YT KIDS ARE TAKING GUNS AND GUNNING DOWN GROUPS OF PEOPLE…IT’S THE MENTALITY NOT THE COLOR AND LIKE GOAT, ELOVE AND SO MANY OTHERS ARE SAYING IT STARTS AT HOME…BEING MARRIED TO A WHITE PERSON I GET TO SEE FIRST HAND HOW HIS FAMILY OPERATES AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT GHETTO MENTALITY IS NOT A BLACK ISSUE…

But i agree with everything else you said…
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

going back to work now, LOL
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

Oh, I feel for her so senseless and more kids died last night~~~don’t know what to say about it. It’s real out here, but I do know the lil boy across the street stole my rims and his momma took up for him~~I could have dogged walked her but I just filed a claim with my insurance. I just feel parents can enable there kids to be bad, my friend house got broken into and these boyz called stick up crew took his flat screen mink coat jewels, play station etc~~got on the bus with it took it all back to there momma house in the basement. My friend found out who they were because the bad azz kids had a myspace page bragging about the licks they were hitting. He told the police and told them where his stuff was~~do you think the police went and go it. NO they said it hear say and they can’t do nothing about it because the parents covered for the kids. But they got there’s somehow ~~one by one they got beat down like a dog on the streets~~don’t know who did that? but the parents knew they did not buy those kids a 6000$ mink coat and diamond ear rings. But yet they cover we have to do housekeeping at home first and check to see what our kids are in to.

Now everytime I come home I gotta see my rims across the streets burns me~~but it is what it is…
goat76

@Charles #120…….Did you see Derrion swing at somebody right before he was hit with a 2 x 4…Watch the video, you’ll see it……..why was he even near the brawl if your not involved….
miamore73

kat I think your an excellent mother because the hardest thing to do ever is to send your child away. For you to put your own selfishness as a mother wanting her baby aside to make the BEST decision for him is the best thing ever. I’d rather give him away then give him to the streets. At least you can rest at night and breath during the day without worrying about a knock on your door or a phone call.
flyqtnva

@Claudine
she should have kept her legs closed…she anit learn after the first 3..GTFOH
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

fly,

What a great decision you made by banning your little ones from videos and the rap….NICKELODEON and Disney Channel/Radio is all they need…..

I see little shorties singing “LOL Smiley Face”, “Superman”, and other totally stupid songs, and they don’t even know what they singing about…..
kwall

according to yt the downfall of society was elvis pressley and his hip gyrations and rock and roll back in the 50’s. it was the called the devil’s music cause it was born out of the delta and juke joints and r & b and jazz ALL of which were black forms of music.

weren’t they wrong too?

my point is black music whether it be stolen and introduced to the mainstream or rightfully ours….has been blamed for the downfall of different aspects of society long enough.

it is time that somebody stood up for our music and our culture and stop making it out to be bad.

you call someone or something bad long enough…guess what?
goat76

@Fly….so it’s looking like your handling your biz……why cant you see that it’s the parents responsibility more than hiphop…..hell I grew up on gansta rap…the NWA, KoolG rap…I never been affiliated with a gang or arrested…..Thanks to the way my MoM raised me…….etc and I still support hiphop…not the other bs rapping thats out there….
Charles

@133

I agree I totally agree I wonder what those hoodrats home lives are like, what are priorities in their parents lives? It probably aint education and making their children the best adults they can be!

Im sure these kids either aren’t in school or have horrible failing averages, these aren’t honor students doing this mess I can assure you… the parents are somewhat to blame but the kids are 100% responsible for this MURDER
LovelyLady

Damn i leave to go to lunch and the comments doubels …this most be a sensitiver topic.
Divinebrown

Why are musicians “role models”? They did of overdoses, got rap sheets longer than a mutha, some of ’em have done some time at Rikers and any other prison you wanna throw in there, some of them are just as nasty as they wanna be. Assume control of your house and monitor what your kids do. Hail…

I will raise my kids the exact same way my mother and father raised us. FEAR! My mother didnt want it in her house and we couldn’t do it. It’s that simple. My lil sister was the worse one…I had to help her fight many a day after school.

Miamore you hit it on the head, babygirl! ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND QUIT TRYING TO USE JAY Z AS A SCAPEGOAT FOR HOW FCKED UP THEY ARE! When it’s all said and done, if your kids are bashing other kids in the head with 2X4’s and killing them…you need to figure out where your parenting skills went wrong. Your kids ain’t never met Jay Z calling him a role model. That n!gga talks about selling dope and drinking and the Marcy projects….besides, it’s entertainment. If you dont have the mental capacity to comprehend that, you shouldn’t be watching.
http://twitter.com/LaydeeJustice LadyJustice

Parents need to stop looking elsewhere for blame, when they can look within their own home and find all the problems. raise your kids up right. teach them right from wrong. dont always try to be your child’s FRIEND these children need DISCIPLINE!!! the main reason for all this chaos is probably steming from all these young baby mammas and baby daddies. these kids too busy running around club hopping than helping their child with their homework. we just cant do right.
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

goat76 Says:

thank you so much people try to make me seem crazy I said the boy was fighting on the tape as well. But they told me I was wrong at least you saw it to~~still sad as ever we have to teach our kids when to walk away.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

Thanks Mia,

It was very difficult, I cried like a baby when he left, but I knew it was for the best.

I want to see my son grow up to become a man…too many boys are getting chopped down in these streets.
ELove

@kcicero SAID:
it is an institutionalized problem in this country and the only way to change it is through awareness and education…

@east SAID:
kids these days are just a different breed and detached from emotion

NOW I’m going to preface MY COMMENT by saying IF ANYONE thinks that Hip-Hop hasn’t been a Very Negative influence to the YOUNG URBAN KIDS — Are Y’all from the Planet Earth !!!

These Young Ones LOST SOMETHING along the way to become “detached from emotion” …
FROM the ultra-violent Video games WHICH IS A Billion-Dollar entity 1,000 times over to the Ultra-Glorified Hip-Hop music that’s geared towards conforming the masses (Being the Young-n-Uneducated) to EVEN some movies that have played out in our STREETS-n-SCHOOLS just as it did in the Movies Itself

Awareness and Eduction can start with PARENTS spending more than a couple of hours A DAY with their kids… ALOT of parents WHO ACTUALLY THINK they are Good Parents allow their kids STAY IN THEIR rooms to play video games OR have cell-phones without having a CLUE how they are using them OR go over a friends house for HOURS AT A TIME not realizing their over there smoking weed, drinking alcohol and possibly having sex ALL AT THE AGE of 13 to 15 years old… And lets not talk about the KIDS that stay out during school night after 10:00pm on the regular … And I BET that ALL OF THEM are deep into Hip-Hop music and the CULTURE that they uphold-n-promote

THIS is a Mushroom-CLOUD that will never disappear
Divinebrown

Charles…one word: Columbine! That didnt have shat to do with hip hop.
kwall

We have to accept responsibility for our children and the **** that they are doing.
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thank you.

when kids in the midwest started using crystal meth was that hip-hop fault too?
missy

@kat i keep telling my lil bro to stop singing songs he don’t know the meaning to but we just get into a debate on it.He also comes home singing songs that we never play in our home which means when he goes to school they play these songs.You can only protect your children from so much but if you instill good values in them even if they get mad at you when they get older they will realize what you have done for them.
Divinebrown

Was it was Snoop and Dr. Dre’s fault when I started firing up that chronic in the 90’s? Hail naw…it was my rich white friend from Northridge that could afford to buy an OZ of weed and share it with everyone. I’m not blaming anyone for the things I did…my parents found out and went ape shat.
iscream

the content of the music in the 50 & 60’s was nowhere near what it’s like now. & times have become much worst.

Is it a result of the music or is music a result of the times?
Charles

@137

White people have bad seeds too but if I have to choose one community or the other…….. and I agree that crime is everywhere but the fact is this the white kids have higher graduation rates, lower college atrition rates, less incidents of crime, and higher standardized test scores, and the reason for this is the way their community is set up and the parenting…. I remember when I graduates high school I wasone of the 5 blacks who graduated with honors while we had at least 300 other blacks, how the hell???? I remmeber in my ap classes never seeing black people, why is that??

@goat

I watched the video twice last night and honestly couldn’t tell what was going on it looked like chaos! Im not sure what the truth of the matter is but what I do know is this boy is dead, and all for what??
miamore73

now elove some of what you said would make sense but you really can’t blame violence and detached emotions on video games and hip hop. Crips were founded in 1971 and they are one of the largest and most violent associations of street gangs in the United States.

This pre-dates video games and hip-hop. But it is around the time that the african american family and community began to dissolve.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

thank you so much people try to make me seem crazy I said the boy was fighting on the tape as well.
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Anybody stopped to consider that this boy was trying to defend himself?

They are out there fighing another young man too…..a Big fella too…..they hit him also with the same rail tie (I think that’s what it was too, the tracks are right there), they broke his Jaw…

22 years ago, I was jumped on….it wasn’t a mob like these kids, but by six girls…..they surrounded me and my friends—they were able to run, except me and another friend…..I wanted to run so bad, but I couldn’t…..so I defended myself. I still caught 20 stitches on my back…
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

correction: They “were”
lovejoy1

I totally agree with post 1 and 3.. I was about to post the same thing
PAHairston

Hello All. All of the above and more are just signs of the times but I agree with Sandra, this type of senseless killing was not rampant during the 60s and 70s, period. Hell, folks were nodding on heroin, tripping off LSD, getting high off cough syrup but killing each other for nothing? Didn’t happen that often in my hood and I’m 55 yrs old. Minister Farrakhan impressed me once. He told a crowd of about 10,000 black folks to take one dollar from their pockets and raise it in the air. Now, that’s 10,000, instantly. What we need to do as a black race in America is to come together and help each other financially. Take $5. How many folks on this page can afford $5 month, no $10. How many of you can afford to give $10 each month, faithfully? Let’s see, $112 a month multiplied by each working black American who can afford it? Childdddddd, we could make a difference in many a black life in America, with the pyramid effect. (Yeah, I guess I’m dreaming.) I love you guys. WE are the ones that can make a change, that man in the mirror. Peace.
http://twitter.com/LaydeeJustice LadyJustice

goat76 Says:

@Charles #120…….Did you see Derrion swing at somebody right before he was hit with a 2 x 4…Watch the video, you’ll see it……..why was he even near the brawl if your not involved….

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Ive watched the video a few times, and wanted to know how did he get himself in that situation. looks like he was trying to help someone, but 2 fists cant do shit against 2x4s he should have just left them alone if they were bothering him. but thats neither here nor there
mizzdallas

@nicehlle

the world coming to a end that’s what it boils down to~~it’s time to get our houses in order

and kids cant control where there raised but parents sure can…

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@divine ms. kay

I got that alot too because I was raised in Oak cliff the “hood” it doesnt matter where you came from it matters where your going. These days kids have gotten out of control like SunnyPA said “babies are having babies” what do you expect from this generation.

@fly

You made some good points too!

@charles

You have a point, I rarely like to go to the hood and if I do is because of church, chicken,burger n bar-que places and thats it..

THat was very tragic what that boy encountered, those kids have no regards for human life whatsoever and its really sad, we are truly living in the last days
lovejoy1

lmao off a post # 156 .. OK
goat76

@Elove….your right about that Hiphop is an influence, to the weak-minded and misguided….but Hiphop is not the total blame……….Parents got to nip that sh it in the bud early and sometimes that ain’t gonna work….My grandmother raised 12 kids and one turned out to be a crackhead…..do I blame my grandma, NO, Should she blame hiphop..NO….HE made his own choice…..but you are right about the influence of hiphop…
ELove

@miamore73
THERE are a MULTITUDE of reasons but I can only touch on so much at a time… ALOT of commenters already have mentioned some that I would’ve mentioned BUT I didn’t want to be redundant

There isn’t just a couple of lines that can be drawn to pinpoint the problem… THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM
kcicero

@ elove I would but I think that’d be inappropriate, lol…

My five year old niece sings all of Beyonce’s songs and knows all the latest dances, she’s been that way since birth because her mother allows it…

My three and two year old on the other hand doesn’t know who Beyonce is, my television stays on NOGGIN AND SPROUT, nothing but educational programming for my babies… And I don’t let them go anywhere unattended unless that person shares my convictions or will abide by them while my kids are in their presence…And forget about spending the night out, not going to happen…

I think we can all agree that the MEDIA AS A WHOLE is negatively affecting our kids but the question is are we doing all that we can AS PARENTS to combat it. MY HUSBAND AND I WILL NOT LOSE WHEN IT COMES TO MY BABIES, with the help OF GOD!
ELove

@goat
I’m with you BRUH …
The BEST COUNTER to all of this mess is the HOME-FRONT !!!
Charles

@DB

Yess true every society has incidents but columbine had less to do with popp culture and more to do with 2 psychopaths
miamore73

No Elove I agree with you on some points I personally just don’t think hip hop is to blame for everything kids are doing now. I mean you may find one or two instances where hip hop was a direct influence but I just really think that alot of what kids are doing is a direct result of what does or doesn’t go on in the home.
goat76

@ Charles & LadyJ…….well I watched over and over…cause I was trying to see if he got caught up(wrong place wrong time) or was he involved…..right before he was hit in the head….he was swinging trying to hit someone…..from my understanding and I could be wrong, places like CHI…..your either in a Gang, Affiliated with a gang or none of the above….but it don’t matter I guess…
Charles

@165

Who trying to go somewhere to get robbed ?? Or beaten or killed. You don’t see no one doing this shit in the country club and I wonder why
kcicero

Charles Says:
@137

White people have bad seeds too but if I have to choose one community or the other, and I agree that crime is everywhere but the fact is this the white kids have higher graduation rates, lower college atrition rates, less incidents of crime, and higher standardized test scores, and the reason for this is the way their community is set up and the parenting. I remember when I graduates high school I wasone of the 5 blacks who graduated with honors while we had at least 300 other blacks, how the hell???? I remmeber in my ap classes never seeing black people, why is that??
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You already know why Charles, because many of us don’t value education as much as others. But please do keep in mind that YT has had a running head start. Read about ancient Kemet our people once lived by education and community, according to the ANCIENT BLACK egyptians it wasn’t enough to possess knowledge but to pass it on to the community as a whole…

That has been striped from us and it predates HIP HOP subculture but I won’t bring the slavery debate into this…

As for your AP class in my AP BIO and English Starr classes there were many blacks there…
Daisy

@elove Go head and make your baby PROUD

We need a remake of Self destruction for 2009
iscream

In light of what Sandra just posted and shut the comments off to. I just want to say that all hip hop is not bad. There are hip hop artist who don’t glorify selling drugs, disrepecting women, having the latest and greatest of everything.

Yet

those artist don’t get as much shine as a Jay Z, Raekwon does. WHY because the suits will rather our children listen to the negative than the positive. IT’S BIGGER THAN HIP HOP it really is. This is just another vehicle for YT to get at us.
KaraZ

Anyone who want’s to say that music doesn’t influence or that only weak people or people without guidance are influenced by music, is lying to themselves.
I do not blame hip-hop for all of society’s ills, but I do see where they contribute to the detriment of our society. Most hip-hop is filled with garbage; there’s too much materialism, sexualization and all around triflingness (yes I am making up words) that’s glorified in the music & the lifestyle the music sells to its audience. 15-20 years ago, hip-hop had more balance, now its nothing.
Children are assaulted by this crap 24/7, even if they’re not allowed to watch EBT at home or listen to the radio, playing the park they hear it when someone drives by with their radio too loud, or they go to school and the local hoodrat’s child is singing the latest sexually explicit song (complete with dance demo) and exposing your protected child to this crap. There’s only so much crap you can feed the soul without getting crap out.
… no comment is my original answer and i’m sticking to it.
flyqtnva

@goat76
i did to but it wasnt being sold as a culture…..it was just rap music…& i loved it…but u cant deny the messages have gotten bleaker and they are feeding it to kids…y is jayz promoting to 13-17 year old kids..why the subliminal messages…
everyone shares blame…IMO..kids are TARGETS BECAUE THEY ARE FUTURE CONSUMERS!

BTW.. i luv wu tang, ghost, meth, rae, gza (one of the best ever) and the rza.. nothing i hear today even compares. Liqiud SWORDS speaks volumes on the industry and its evils…
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

if u not gonna blame parents u have to blame society as a whole. you cant blame hiphop because all hiphop not the same. for every gangsta rapper there is somebody who is doing the exact opposite. hiphop has its cycles as to whats popular are we not to forget at one time conscience hiphop was the forefront at one time, we had public enemies, the bdp, afrika bambata, x-clan and so forth. and its plenty of hiphop artist who still today preach the same thing. most kids cant even explain the lyrics they listening 2 let alone act off something they cant explain. you can listen to a song so many times and know all the words and still not know what they song is about. if u gonna blame it on music you have to blame it on movies and television. nothing that is said on cd is worst than what can be seen on tv or in movies. its one thing to imagine whats being said its another thing to see it
ELove

@Kcicero
Keep DOING YOU because you & your Husband are doing it THE RIGHT WAY and I KNOW it isn’t easy

@KaraZ
That is one powerful-n-informative NO COMMENT — LMAO

@Daisy
There’s My Baby-Boo
iscream

^5 @ KaraZ

I just watched that video of that boy being beat to death. Some of you all are insensitive. How could you say he swung at someone. HE SWUNG HIS HANDS! (& I didn’t even see that) He was already down why did they hit him again? stupid little punk ass N!GGERS trying to make a name for themselves.
KaraZ

@eLove… yes it was an overly verbose no comment I suppose…
:dontjudgeme:
ELove

@east
IN THAT SAME VAIN … The videos that accompany those Song & Lyrics (You Say…) “kids can’t even explain” are JUST AS POWERFUL-n-INFLUENCING as the movies & television THAT ALOT of these kids won’t even watch
flyqtnva

@kcicero
I think we can all agree that the MEDIA AS A WHOLE is negatively affecting our kids but the question is are we doing all that we can AS PARENTS to combat it. MY HUSBAND AND I WILL NOT LOSE WHEN IT COMES TO MY BABIES, with the help OF GOD!

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Yes we can
flyqtnva

at the same time there is BILLION dollar idustry that is geared towards kids…y are we still denying it…I have a problem with an adult selling his music to kids…im sorry thats just the way I feel…i have a problem with a woman seliing a sexy image to underage children….BUT BECAUE OF THE $$ involved this will never stop. YOU KNOW THE VID WITH THE BABY DANCING TO SINGLE LADIES…but music dont effect u..i beg to differ…that baby was trying to shake that money maker….lol..& I know yall been in the club before a certain song comes on 50 fights break out in 50 different places…but its just music..if it is just entertainment do away with 106 & park and only show the mess at 4 am
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

videos that are aired today on bet and mtv are super censored so other than seeing somebody in a bentley or drinking a bottle of ace of spade u dont see much violence or drugs in videos today it was more in the 90s when dre was out but now u cant really show none of that on video shows. and fly qt jay doesnt make music for 13-17 year olds there are no LOL songs being made with a dance or NANANA songs those songs are for 13-17 year olds
flyqtnva

I’LL BE BACK (terminator)
KaraZ

@eastpointvet
Can you please name 5 top 100 hip hop singles right now that are uplifting in their lyrics. I’m curious to know about these people that are doing the exact same opposite
flyqtnva

eastpointvet
so those people u see on 106&park are all grown ups..its not billed as an after school video show? did i miss something..so in the future we wont see adults on 106& park
flyqtnva

@KaraZ

this is what are kids are hearing:

I CAN SPEND MY WHOLE LIFE GOOD WILL HUNTING ONLY GOOD GONE COME IS ITS GOOD WHEN IM CUMING

now as an adult i break that down to..eff being good and doing good will towards others i just wanna ……

HIP HOP CULTURE..learn it live it love it
flyqtnva

I’LL BE BACK (terminator)

4 real got a meeting to go to
ELove

@east
The KIDS I know about Don’t watch TV like that…
Their internet fiends AND they find all of the hard-core vids AND the Uncensored Videos on the net !!! The record labels actually help promote-n-sell these videos over the internet ALONG WITH the street vendors that SELL THOSE SAME VIDEOS from $2.00 to $5.00 a pop (Real Talk Here)
kcicero

@ fly common ground, lol

@ elove we’re going to try

kind of Bow Wow has put out an open invitation to other rappers to join him in the promotion of more rap topics of substance like education…I’m going to watch this closely…there isn’t much hip-hop i can stomach now a days even Common has become a bit too raunchy for my taste…still big upping and playing the roots, many of mos defs songs and all the other socially aware rappers, but like KARAZ points out none of these names are in the top five 100 hip hop singles right now…
KaraZ

eastpointvet Says:
videos that are aired today on bet and mtv are super censored so other than seeing somebody in a bentley or drinking a bottle of ace of spade u dont see much violence or drugs in videos today it was more in the 90s when dre was out but now u cant really show none of that on video shows. and fly qt jay doesnt make music for 13-17 year olds there are no LOL songs being made with a dance or NANANA songs those songs are for 13-17 year olds
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I haven’t listened to JayZ since junior yr on college some 10 odd years ago, but then his songs were made to appeal to kids, he even used children in a chorus for one of his songs…

But no comment.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

@karaz
i never said it was the popular music the consumer makes music popular its what you buy that dont mean thats all what is being sold there are a ton of artist with uplifting lyrics but is that what u are calling and requesting on the radio no…somebody said we need a new self destruction song…newsflash krs one remade it last year but how many people actually know that.
@flyqt
most live type video shows are gonna be full of children for the simple fact 106 and park starts sitting people at 4pm when most children are out of school and most adults still working and what better way for them to see there favorite artist for free. because you on a show thats somewhat seen as a kid show doesnt mean you are catering to children as many adults watch 106 as children but children dominate the audience because the reason i already named. there is a difference from kids buying your music and you catering to kids
KaraZ

flyqtnva Says:
@KaraZ

this is what are kids are hearing:

I CAN SPEND MY WHOLE LIFE GOOD WILL HUNTING ONLY GOOD GONE COME IS ITS GOOD WHEN IM CUMING

now as an adult i break that down to..eff being good and doing good will towards others i just wanna ……

HIP HOP CULTURE..learn it live it love it
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I said no comment… but what about Becky?… here we have a college graduate with an english major speaking like he has marbles in his mouth, telling girls all you have to offer me (men) is superb fellatio & sending another message to girls of color that you’re still not as good as a white woman.
goat76

Ya’ll do know who is the number 1 consumer of HipHop……their parents be in there buyin the CD’s for them(before the internet)…….we going to bootlegg it, get it from the barber shop, flea market……but they going to the retail store where it is accounted for…….

And trust The WU is not all goodie 2 shoes either…and you didn’t come up slanging, robbing and killing….

@Fly…..I didn’t see how Jay was promoting directly to 13-17yr old…..how about Rap/hiphop fans….

@Karaz how is that lying to yourself…..You have to be weak minded or mis-guided to not be able to determine entertainment from reality…..Parents teach their kids from right and wrong and should be letting them know whats reality and whats entertainment…..
ELove

@east (And Also)
The CLEAN-UP version play on the radio…
The REAL VERSION is on the CD or Mixtape which are selling like Hot-CAKES in the streets ($5.00 a pop in The Chi)

And YES most of these songs have Un-Cut videos to match the lyrics and THAT IMAGE is Long-Lasting to a Young One
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

@elove
u can find anything on line including how to make a bomb and blow up some shi t but because its available dont mean a child is gonna do it. 8 ball and mjg made a song called armed robbery which got ton of play from people down south but i dont recall a bank robber said i robbed a bank cause i heard ball and mjg say it. thats a crutch at the end of the day if u see it on tv or hear it you gonna do it cause u made the decision to do it
goat76

Um ya’ll need to blame Viacom…..
KaraZ

@eastpointvet….

yah so if all we hear is the crap being force-fed down our throats, and that makes up the bulk of the airplay and money made in this industry, it would be fair to say that for the most part hip-hop is poisonous, so poisonous in fact that is has cannibalized itself and the good stuff can’t get out…
missy

KaraZ:
I said no comment… but what about Becky?… here we have a college graduate with an english major speaking like he has marbles in his mouth, telling girls all you have to offer me (men) is superb fellatio & sending another message to girls of color that you’re still not as good as a white woman.

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I was thinking about this very song i mean i can deal with the dance songs but I mean how are you gonna have a college degree and can only think about getting a fellatio and Plies has a degree in english he is a prime example of people only trying to get quick money and not caring about who listens to it.(I can’t imagine a little child singing this song but they probably will be singing it)
KaraZ

@goat, you’re right about Viacom… they’re controlling what videos we see on screen at the very least.
Regarding weak-mindedness… all teenagers are weak-minded, considering that on average the human brain isn’t fully developed until age 23. Parents can instill all the values they have in their children, but as long as that child has to interact with the outside world they’re in danger.
goat76

Master P made gangsta rap….and now his son plays for USC…why is it that Romeo aint f uc k ed up…….but look at his grown ass uncle C-murder…….one of ya’ll explain that to me…….
iscream

East said:
@karaz
i never said it was the popular music the consumer makes music popular
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I don’t agree. It’s the lables that put money into promotion that makes music popular. Most of the time the artist with the most promo is the most popular.

Anyone hear of this new channel called Centric where they are suppose to bring the old school music back.. I mean soul train awards and everything? Why don’t I have that station?
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

its not being force fed thats whats been requested and what people like if you wasnt listening to it then it wouldnt be played simple as that. the radio cant make a song a hit only the people can
ELove

@east
Stay on point Bruh… I’m TALKING ABOUT OUR KIDS !!!

And TRUST if the Media & Record labels started promoting building bombs LIKE THEY DO Sex, Drug Use and Street Violence there will be B-O-B (Outkast song) happening on the regular
melinla

Lots of comments – rappers, scratch that, entertainers are not role models, but they are influential. You must raise your children to have morals and values. It is terrible what happened to that young man and we need to be better as a HUMAN RACE! Do the best you can and then pray.

Back to work…
iscream

207eastpointvet Says:

its not being force fed thats whats been requested and what people like if you wasnt listening to it then it wouldnt be played simple as that. the radio cant make a song a hit only the people can
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You’re joking right????? Please tell me you’re joking. How many times have you heard a song, hated it but the radio plays it till you catch yourself singing it. So many times you can’t even count.
KaraZ

iscream Says:
207eastpointvet Says:

its not being force fed thats whats been requested and what people like if you wasnt listening to it then it wouldnt be played simple as that. the radio cant make a song a hit only the people can
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You’re joking right????? Please tell me you’re joking. How many times have you heard a song, hated it but the radio plays it till you catch yourself singing it. So many times you can’t even count.
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That witch Beyonce does that to me… I don’t like the song, but its on every 23.5minutes on 3 different stations & one day, I know the lyrics.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

@scream
actually today most new artist are self promoted they build themselves up and record labels invest very little into them they did all the legwork there is very little artist development now. if it was on the record labels everytime eminem, nelly or 50 cent everytime they came out u would hear there records all day everyday but thats not the case cause u cant make the people listen to your music if thats not what they liking
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

@scream
im not joking because u hear a song a lot of u hate it u still gonnna hate it regardless of how many times u hear it. if u dont like it then change the channel otherwise if you keep listening to it surely u gonna learn the lyrics but thats still not gonna make u like they song. and its being played because someone wants to hear it even if you dont like it its a bunch of people who do
goat76

All radio stations don’t play hiphop……ya’ll ain’t forced to listen to country, gospel, rock,…..change the channel….hell I don’t even listen to the radio…..sh it play what you like to hear….cd’s tapes ipods……regular radio stations are gearing to a specific genre these days…its something out there for you to listen too…..
KaraZ

@goat, I generally don’t listen to radio, it’s my ipod or CD’s in the car… however I hear songs that get airplay through no fault of my own… the gym is playing something, walking on the street, you hear it, parking in the church parking lot you hear it.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

im with ya goat change the channel or listen to what you wanna listen to
iscream

@ east & goat

Whatever. I am a black woman from urban America. Why would I listen to country, rock or other. I like Hip Hop I was raised on Hip Hop I am from NY where Hip Hop was birthed.

Now a days I do listen to my MP3 player in the car because MJ is really all I want to hear and I get tired of hearing the same songs on the radio. And when I do listen I listen to Kiss or BLS that is geared towards playing old school & r& b. (but since Wendy left I hardly listen at all)

BUT that doesn’t change the fact that radio stations force fed these songs to the consumer.
kwall

Master P made gangsta rap….and now his son plays for USC…why is it that Romeo aint f uc k ed up…….but look at his grown ass uncle C-murder…….one of ya’ll explain that to me…….
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in 5…4…3…2….1…

somebody is gonna say….

cause romeo was not raised in the projects where corey came skrait up outta calliope.

watch. and wait.

never mind that he was raised by a dad that came from the same place as the uncle…watch what i say now cuz…
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

hearing it in passing is not the same as listening to it
Ilovepink1981

Is Rhianna going to do something about her situation tha happened? I havent gone through all of the posts yet but if kids are looking up to “celebrities” then we have to hold everyone accountable. You have Lindsay doing alcohol before shes 21, it was rumored on the blogs that Rhianna was still seeing Chris after their situation, it was also rumored that she didnt want a protective order. To me thats saying its fine for what he did, then he comes out on TV saying he cant rememeber what happened. The world is not right no matter how you look at it. Kids shooting up their classrooms for being picked on… The blame needs to be placed on the parents, and the community, IMO. Kids mimic what they see at home and where they grow up
kwall

about centric i caught it last night. if you have cable it is the same as BET j….

they had soul train 1975 on when they were still in chicago it came on at 12 a.m. i am an insomniac and thoroughly enjoyed it.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

goat76 Says:
Master P made gangsta rap….and now his son plays for USC…why is it that Romeo aint f uc k ed up…

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Because he had a father at home who probably didn’t allow his son to listen to that garbage.
ELove

@east
DON’T listen to the radio (Thank Goodness) …
Haven’t done that IN YEARS but THEY DO in fact force-feed crap to the public (Radio Listeners) and regardless of what you’re saying HERE — YOU do know this for a fact
iscream

thanks Kwall
kwall

again i listen to all kinds of music. country music can be violent too.

hail you got miss carrie (the other one…NOT keri…) smashing out the windows and headlights to her man truck cause he cheated.

jazmine mighta stole it from her come to think about it…
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

and scream u dont have the ability to listen to the hiphop thats positive? dont matter what the radio is playing you cant go buy or download talib, mos def, or common new album? its a thing called choice and its something all consumers have. u can hear soulja boy all day on the radio but that dont mean u gotta go buy it or even listen to it when its on the radio
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

@elove thats tru to a point but if nobody likes blame it on the alcohol its not gonna get played plain and simple
Daisy

@Ice I heard about that station. I am not sure it has gone live yet.

Sandra Romeo was trying to be a rapper at one pt in time and his daddy is Master P umm yeah he heard all the gangsta rap he just made a wise choice. He knew it was supposed to be for ENT purposes only unlike so many of our young ppl.
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

sorry ya’ll just finished watching Maury and I see why these kids are bad lawd thiif grown people are foolish is there hope for the kids?
http://nwmasssmedia.com NichelleWalker/nwmasssmedia.com

sorry ya’ll just finished watching Maury and I see why these kids are bad lawd thiif grown people are foolish is there hope for the kids?
iscream

You are going to the left now East.. this radio convo came about because you said…

“the radio cant make a song a hit only the people can”

to which I replied…

“How many times have you heard a song, hated it but the radio plays it till you catch yourself singing it. So many times you can’t even count.”

Nowhere in my comment did I say I didn’t listen to or buy positive rap music. I’m not into hiphop like I use to be. So unless I hear it on the radio or hear someone here talking about a certin song I don’t know certain people have certain music out.

& soulja boy is a perfect example. I didn’t hear that soulja boy song… got up out my bed got my swag on.. till the BET awards. & only took interest because EVERYBODY in the crowd was jammin to it.
iscream

Daisy Says:

@Ice I heard about that station. I am not sure it has gone live yet.
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Kwall said she saw it last night. It’s BET J station. I saw they are suppose to have a MJ day (so you know I’m on the hunt) where they show all his soul train shows and the like.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

my point is its a hit because people like it regardless if you like it or not millions of people obviously do. so if you hate turn my swag on hearing it a million times wont make you like it. thing is kids are more active at requesting what they wanna hear they love soulja boy so a million kids gonna go and request it. they are just active if adults was being m ore active in what they hear on radio and not just complaining about it radio would be programed totally different
MIZZ.I_REP_ATL

I know I’m late in all but that passage above is sooo true. But to blame Hip-Hop on this child death is so untrue. That derived from the environment/community that he is currently living in. Some kids can overcome the violence and make better of themselves. Majority of the kids seems to jump on the banwagaon, thinking being HOOD is the ish and could get them the money that these entertainers are making by living the hood life. It takes the media to report foolishness!!!
Daisy

Ice oh ok I never had Bet J so I know I dont have it either.
goat76

@Sandra….LOL how about he taught his son reality from entertainment……

@K-weezy…..LOL….whats going wit cha…….
dont forget his other uncle Silk was there too….Silk ain’t bustin caps……..
iscream

@ East.

I’m going to leave that topic alone. Because I wonder if this post was Did (any other artist besides Jay Z) kill… would we even be having this conversation at all. As I hinted to in my first comment on this post.

& for the record. I never said I didn’t like the soulja boy song. I said I didn’t know it till After seeing the awards,

and I couldn’t stop singing the song.

Hop up out my bed. Got my swag on took a look in the mirror said what’s up. Hey I’m getting money aww.
BLACKBARBIE404

MUCH RESPECT TO EVERYONE’S THOUGHTS & OPINIONS.

I FIND THE FAMOUS QUOTE: “UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL” TO BE OF GREAT RELEVANCE. I SAY IF WE ALL AS “BLACK PEOPLE” TAKE A STAND AGAINST VIOLENCE…IN OUR HOMES, PUBLIC, CHURCH, SCHOOLS, ETC… THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE. IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE THOU, BUT WE MUST ALL BE IN UNISON.

IT’S TIME TO MAKE THE CHANGE – FORREAL. LIKE GOAT SAID, START AT HOME.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

actually dont matter if she said soulja boy killed him we would still be having the convo. and even if u liked the song the awards are reflective of whats popular on the radio. and whats popular on the radio is reflective of whats popular to the kids. if we wanna hear more positive things on the radio we have to request it thats my point
http://myspace.com/rayne215 spongebobfan

I’ll say it before i’ll say it again…ITS THE PARENTS point blank, in the 90’s i was bumping jay wu az nas fugees etc etc etc It was great music. but it was a source of entertainment. My head was in the books, I was in the house at a descent time my legs was closed because of my mother… i wouldnt DARE disrespect her by running the streets all time of night(i woulda been homeless or dead if i did) But I bumped my so called gangsta rap because I was Raised to know right from wrong..listening to music is no different than watching a violent movie on tv…Its for entertainment purposes only.
So no, i would never blame Rap for that mess, Jayz NEVER rapped about picking up a 2×4 and and killing a honor student with it. people always dont want to place blame where it belongs…themselves(parents)
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

One of the top PR firms that I really respect asked me to help promote Luda’s alcohol to my readers. I refused. I’m sure after contributing to the destruction of our communities through rap music, Luda can find another way to make a buck instead of selling poison to our kids.
Anna

spongebobfan Says:

I’ll say it before i’ll say it again…ITS THE PARENTS point blank, in the 90’s i was bumping jay wu az nas fugees etc etc etc It was great music. but it was a source of entertainment. My head was in the books, I was in the house at a descent time my legs was closed because of my mother… i wouldnt DARE disrespect her by running the streets all time of night(i woulda been homeless or dead if i did) But I bumped my so called gangsta rap because I was Raised to know right from wrong..listening to music is no different than watching a violent movie on tv…Its for entertainment purposes only.
So no, i would never blame Rap for that mess, Jayz NEVER rapped about picking up a 2×4 and and killing a honor student with it. people always dont want to place blame where it belongs…themselves(parents)
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I agree with you. It’s the parents. I am a rap is crap kind of parent. As much as I did not want in on the radio or the videos playing on tv you can’t stop it, it’s everywhere. Kids are going to listen to it rather you want them to or not. I couldn’t pretend that I was more powerful than it is because that’s crazy. When my kids got older and I realized if you can’t beat em join em mentality kicked in I sat with the kids and listened to “their music”. I don’t like it but I had to remind my kids that the rappers making mega money, most did not live like that, some grew up in the burbs but make money off this crap. LOL. Rap has nothing to do with it. As someone said if you are influenced by what you listen to then you must be mentally challenged. If a song is going to make you want to go out and kill somebody “wow”. I look at this for my kids as you do “for entertainment purposes only”.
http://myspace.com/eastpointvet eastpointvet

havent you had ciroc ads on here sandra? thats no different people are gonna drink alcohol at least its benefiting somebody we can identify with we been making liquor companies billions of dollars for years why not get some of that money not advertising it wont address the problem
intensemocha

WERE THEY SHOUTING JAY Z LYRICS AS THEY HIT HIM WITH THE
2X4?

OR DID THEY HAVE A COPY OF HIS CD ON THEM WHEN THEY WERE PICKED U?

WERE THEY LISTENING TO HIS MUSIC BEFORE THE ATTACK?

UNFORTUNATELY I’M NOT SEEING THE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO-JAY Z AND THIS YOUNG MAN BEING KILLED

HOW ABOUT KIDS FIGHT ALL THE TIME AND TYPICALLY WHEN SUPERVISED IT DOESN’T ESCALATE TO THIS PROPORTION

BUT SEEING THAT THEY KNEW NOT MUCH WOULD BE DONE AND THEY FELT THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT THEY DID IT-AND PROBABLY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, JUMPED SOMEONE BUT DIDN’T EXPECT THE YOUNG MAN TO DIE

WHITE AMERICA DON’T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE AND A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE DON’T CARE TOO MUCH FOR THEMSELVES EITHER, YOU KEEP TELLING THESE KIDS THEY AINT GOING TO AMOUNT TO SHIAT CAUSE THEY AINT GOT A DADDY OR THEY LIVE IN A SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOULD, THEIR POOR, BLACK ETC.

HELL WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO MIGHT AS WELL LIVE RECKLESSY-ACCORDING TO MOST THEY DON’T HAVE A FUTURE ANY WAY
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

eastpointvet Says:
havent you had ciroc ads on here sandra?

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I can’t control the many ads that are served by all the ad companies I use. I’d be sitting here all day trying to filter them all. But I can control what I personally put in front of my readers.
http://myspace.com/katgirl33 katgirl33

….just seen parent #2 stand up for her son….she said she seen him on the tape, hitting the boy, while he was down…..but he was defending himself…..against the young man, who was fighting too….
iscream

I found cintrix but missed the MJ tribute I hope since it’s bet they re air it. Thanks again Kwall
pointhimout

wow. that’s is really a sad story. to watch the clip, which I still can’t understand why it was being videotaped to begin with, and see that guy in the red jacket crack him across the head is so bizarre. young people have no regard or respect for anything or anyone. they really believe they are invincible with little to no recourse for their actions. well, i hope they’re charged as adults and wish the one that cracked him across the head could get the death penalty.

i also had to ask: y was derrion standing on the side at first but then got involved in that? growing up in the real hood, we went into the opposite directions of fights. we didn’t run to them.
Daisy

Sandra that sounds like an excuse to me
http://myspace.com/erikamagaly Hermosa

Blaming music for the lack of parenting?

Wow…Let’s see…Im was born in the 80’s which means I was raised with 90’s pop culture.

If my immigrant mother can raise 2 well to do women so can everyone else. My mother had many obstacles against her. Begining with her lack of knowlege on the American culture and the influences it can give off. I loved hip hop, ever since I was young enough to understand music…Its been my music of choice. Now my mother, never once told us to turn off that music and stop watching tv.

What she did instill in us was the ability to know whats right from wrong and reality from fantasy. She also instilled FEAR in us. We were so scarred to make her mad bc we knew that was our a$$.

Even now that Im grown and have my oen bills and live on my own…I still carry that fear with me.

Its a sad day when parents blame POP culture for their children’s mistakes.

It all starts from home…it always does! Show your kids how you want them to act and teach them what real life is like instead of letting these rappers do your job for you.

If your child is raised properly, outside influences won’t penetrate their thoughts.
Anna

Hermosa Says:

parents blame POP culture for their children’s mistakes
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I as a parent know that I can’t blame a damn thing on music or my own upbringing. A parent is gong to make mistakes. I take full responsibality for my kid. if “we” the parents don’t want certain things or ppl in our homes it’s up to us to regulate. Plain and simple.
https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

I can’t wait until Obama’s science czar John Holdren starts sterilizing these hoodrats to keep them from giving birth to these monsters. Enough is enough!
flyqtnva

@eastpointvet
I’m glad u came on around and proved me right at the end:

actually dont matter if she said soulja boy killed him we would still be having the convo. and even if u liked the song the awards are reflective of whats popular on the radio. and whats popular on the radio is reflective of whats popular to the kids.
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So u know its all about the KIDS cuz adults dont have time to be calling stations to play songs thats what kids do..AND THATS Y ALL THESE SO CALLED GROWN UP…JAYZ…BEYONCE..THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM ARE AVDERTISING ON 106 & PARK….ITS ALL ABOUT THE KIDS THE FUTURE CONSUMERS…GET THEM NOW WHILE THEIR BRAINS ARE STILL IN A WEAK AND FRAGILE DEVELOPING STATE…AND U HAVE THEM FOR LIFE OR UNTIL THE WAKE UP AND CATCH ON TO THE SCAM THAT IS HIP HOP CULTURE! in the meantime parents do & continue to teach your kids but when you walk in Mcdonalds, the mall, starbucks, red lobster, applebees, joes crab shack, walmart, kmart, radio schack, best buy…etc….ur child 9-10 will see a hip hop video, commerical or something with BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY ROCKING EVERYWHERE..btw EAST KIDS SPEND MORE TIME DURING THE WEEK IN SCHOOL THAN THEY DO @ HOME…JUST LIKE US PARENTS SPEND MORE TIME AT WORK THAN WE DO AT HOME…one of our topicS in class this week was on THE EFFECTS OF A 2 PARENT WORKING HOUSEHOLD..IF I TOLD YOU ALL THE EFFECTS IT WOULD BE A BOOK…THESE FAMOUS PEOPLE KNOW FULL WELL WHAT & WHO THEY ARE AFTER AND IT ANIT U
tintin

music doesn’t raise our kids, parents do. something is missing out of children’s lives today and parents need to be more involved.

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