Empire just broke another record: according to The NY Post, Fox TV's soap opera musical has already jumped the shark just 4 episodes into it's 2nd season.

With no plot to speak of and seemingly endless, eye-rolling musical performances by Jussie "the goat" Smollet, viewers are tuning out in droves.

Fox TV execs are struggling to understand why the numbers are in decline from last season.

Empire lost a staggering 6 million viewers since the season premiere last month.

"In short, the excitement that made 'Empire' can’t-miss TV is gone," writes Post TV critic Robert Rorke.

The general consensus seems to be that Empire's co-creator, the flamboyant, middle-aged queen Lee Daniels, ruined the show by using it for his personal gay agenda.

It doesn't help that the show's characters have all switched roles.

From The NY Post:

[L]ast month’s season premiere included a dramatic about-face so inconsistent with what had already happened that it was easy to see that “Empire” was beginning to get away from itself. We’re talking about the final scene, when Jamal (Jussie Smollett) — the gay underdog son who found a champion for his musical ambitions in another underdog, his mother, ex-con Cookie (Taraji P. Henson) — slammed the door in her face, shutting her out of Empire records. Which was now up and running, thanks to her efforts.

Why would he do that? As a flashback from Season 1 reminded us, Lucious (Terrence Howard) tried to put a 5-year-old Jamal in a garbage can when he wore his mother’s kerchief and heels. Even in the mercurial world of soap opera plot twists, where characters’ personalities change on a dime, having Jamal suddenly side with his father was a boneheaded maneuver.

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    uuhhh

  • howard_student

    Happy Friday Roses, have a great weekend :) S

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    aaannd

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Well I don't know what to say about this .... cause I'm not a viewer .... and characters have switched roles on there ??? wow Welp

  • Yoni

    In my BB King voice "the thrill is gone."

  • Jessica

    Lee Daniels had a "winner" on his hands last season. I believe he got "big-headed" and started making "bone-headed" decisions. First of all, you cannot force the gay agenda down black folks throats. It won't work. That first episode of Season 2 was ridiculous. When some people tune you out, you NEVER get them back. He has cut back on a lot of the gay stuff, but now the writing is just not as good. Jamal and Cookie being against each other doesn't set well with me. The prosecutor's personal agenda against Lucious (following him and watching everything he does) is ridiculous. Lucious being so against Andre and Hakeem being so "angry" are all turn-offs. Not to mention, they cannot figure out what to do with Boo-Boo Kitty.
    I hope they get it together very soon before I totally lose interest.

  • Datsmdubya2u2

    We knew they was gonna run it into the ground...plus they doing 18 episodes this season as opposed to the usual 13 sooo they slowed the plots down... Gabby had on a cute skirt during the fbi raid tho

  • amayzzn

    I still love this show...

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Jussie “the goat” Smollet
    ^^^^^^

    I die.

  • Sincerity7

    I agree that there is a lot going on right now. Stuff is all over the place. I'll still watch though.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    middle-aged queen Lee Daniels
    ^^^^^^^

    I'm re-dead. Lol.

  • EasyBreezy

    H O L L E R I N G!!!!!!

  • Phillybruh

    This is the same show from last season. Same smart comments. They have to tell a whole story.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Lmao !

  • Milani

    Jussie “the goat” Smollet
    =====================
    *snickers*

  • EasyBreezy

    Yep! I'm holding on, too (with cautious optimism).

  • Phillybruh

    Lucious isn't against Andre, he feels guilty about Andre mental illness seeing as how it was passed from his mother to his son. Why wouldn't Hakeem be angry all last season he was propped as the golden boy only to have it all given to the son everyone thought he hated.

  • JerseyMom

    So Lee Daniel's ni**a moment is happening. And he thought his homosexuality made him accepted and protected by his white pimps. Karma, boom!

  • Phillybruh

    How is his ni**a moment happening with 12 million viewers even if 3 million more left that's still the demo they are going for...lol

  • Saywhatnow?

    Is everything about homosexuality with you Sandra? So many other things wrong with Empire..and it's not necessary to say gay every time you mention Jamal's name. Did someone "turn" you gay? Which is impossible, maybe you hate that someone tapped into a hidden fear you had been dreading to face, but whatever it is, seek some help.

  • JerseyMom

    Shut up, Lee. LOL

  • You Aint Shyt-LuhYou, B.Sweet

    So I guess it's been a slow news week. The stories are repeating from day to day. Where's Bren he/she needs to make trouble in Hollyweird so we can get some new stories.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    I think I'm going to watch the first episode of this season at some point this weekend. I just want to see for myself if it is as horrible as people are making it or if they are just finally beginning to feel the same way I felt about last season. Does that make sense? It was never a "great" show to me but it was entertaining. It always felt "choppy" and not necessarily well thought out. Some scenes were damn right ludicrous.It was as if they jumped from scene to scene without finishing dialogues/plots or something. Then the random death of ashy lip. Idk.

  • Phillybruh

    LOL..just pointing it out.

  • Yoni

    Did someone "turn" you gay? Which is impossible, maybe you hate that someone tapped into a hidden fear you had be dreading to face, but whatever it is, seek some help.

    You must be new. :tea: Welcome. Hope you (are able to) enjoy your stay.

  • Phillybruh

    The death of Ashy lip wasn't random. He was fighting Andre the wife tried to stop him

  • Milani

    The quote at the bottom was taken from the NY Post, and Sandra quoted it. The part about Jamal being the "gay underdog son" was written by someone from the NY Post, not Sandra.

  • Miany

    But...Phillybruh, Lucious never resented Andre's mental health in season 1..it is like all of a sudden season 2 comes around, Lee wants to give Kelly Rowland a job and now Lucious has to hate the son that REALLY put empire on the map...it is inconsistent...they need to hire those season 1 writers again

  • ATL White Guy

    She's not banned! Welcome to full rights status!

  • Wildcat34

    Don't watch the show, but looks as though Lee Daniel has run out of sexual favors to save the show.

  • Ridingfinest

    I was having a bored Internet day until I seen this post

  • nucynu25

    Crabs in a bucket. I Def understand everything isnt for everybody and you don't hve to like this show just bc you blk. But damn why be so happy to see a show with ppl who look like u fail? Like damn, if this show tanks how will this improve your life. This show is employing BLACK ACTORS & if it continues to be successful it will only open more doors US.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    I didn't say I didn't understand the scene. The death, to me, was random. As in, they just wanted to kill someone so the day of the shoot they drew names and he was picked. Then they were like uhhhh what can we do. Hit him in the back of the head with a vase. The end.

  • Phillybruh

    He always had an issue with Andres mental illness in season one he blamed the white girl for it. He kept him in hospitals and kept it hidden he was always ashamed of it. Now in season two your learning the why.

  • Miany

    That is mean, nasty and insensitive...so if someone was molested as a child you think that is "cool cuz it is impossible to turn someone gay" you think that is a " hidden fear you had be dreading to face" now THAT is the epitome of the gay agenda, GTFOH with your gay agenda!!!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Just playing the devils advocate, how does the success of the show improve anyone's life? I mean other than the actors and LD.

  • ATL White Guy

    It's almost like they find someone who wants to guest star, then write around that, vs writing the show and allowing people to guest star. Not sure if i'm saying that right, but hopefully you get the gist.

  • Switchblade Slim

    I like it.

  • Miany

    ok...that makes sense.. I still do not like this season. Does not seem fluid to me. I will watch because I have a feeling something will be pulled together.

  • Phillybruh

    I guess, I saw his death coming soon as he exposed as the snitch. I just didn't expect the white girl to do it.

  • Miany

    I get what you are saying

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    ...but ...but wut had happened WUT??? :sad face:

  • ATL White Guy

    that to me is what makes the writing seem random and disjointed sometimes.

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    *sits w/Jenie* I'm clueless too Boo :hugs:

  • Phillybruh

    I guess I'm enjoying the build up. It all can't happen in one episode which is what they did all last season was throw everything in.

  • You Aint Shyt-LuhYou, B.Sweet

    It's Friday... I've been jamming to this ignant shyt today:

    https://youtu.be/kfef3takkQo

  • Switchblade Slim

    Lee Daniels is soooooooooo dumb. Doesn't he know that black people are the last to follow his gay agenda....Now watch him go get Tyler Perry, just like Oprah did to add some buoyancy to his sinking ship........Power is waaaaay better anyway!

  • Well.well$well

    Its was the second most watched show on Wednesday night. I understand #inmyNellyvoice, 2 is not the winner but 12 Mil isnt a bomb either imo..

  • MotherOfDragons, GetOffMyENuts

    Best gif EVER

  • nucynu25

    It opens more doors for US. Am not say by watching it you are advancing your life lol, it's entertainment . But it is showing the world that blk ppl can lead a show.

  • Phillybruh

    The success opens the doors for similar shows and who knows someone you know may get the shot they have been working towards.

  • Sexy CJ

    .................

  • Cookie

    I still love the show....

  • Wildcat34

    If only I could pull this off in a client meeting!

  • Bootcampgirl

    Ummm, can somebody tell me what jump the shark means

  • Sexy CJ

    Love it...........

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    is that a pre- 'take care'? LOL!

  • Milani

    (of a television series or movie) reach a point at which far-fetched events are included merely for the sake of novelty, indicative of a decline in quality.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    That just seems like poor writing ..... I need need quality

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    you said RIF?
    Rofl!

  • Chitsngiggles

    Sooooooo did I miss ya'll talking bout Ann Cotler dragging Raven Symone on the View. That's what her ass get, thought she could sit with them. Tuh!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Basically means you run out of ideas so you start doing completely ridiculous things. Like having a rap battle in a packed club, but it's not really a rap battle because there's a goat singing...but no one in the club seems to mind.

  • Wildcat34

    What most politicians do....

  • jeniefrumdabloc™
  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Jamal was always seeking his father's approval from the beginning of the first season. And he hasn't really turned on his mother. But hey, as long as folk are still talking about it that's a good thing. When folks are really over it there will be radio silence. I don't see anyone talking about Tyler Perry's worst shows. Heck I can't even remember the names of them.

  • Wildcat34

    Can I pull up a chair and join yall....I don't watch the bs either.

  • Milani

    Or when there's only 5 minutes left in the show and two characters are digging up a dead body, but forgot where they buried it and someone else so happens to come to the scene with a "corpse detector"...stuff like that.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Let me google this. I despise Ann Coulter btw.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Why did you compare Tyler Perry ??? Serious question

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Lmbo... see I haven't seen this season yet.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Oh never mind the have nots

  • Phillybruh

    The Have and Have nots deliver everyweek for Oprah.

  • Milani

    sorry Blaque :kona:

  • SummerBaby

    Hilarious! ?

  • Let Your Soul Glow

    You too!

  • http://batman-news.com Mama Dee’s Wig Maker

    Raven didn't want to go toe to toe with Ann

  • Bootcampgirl

    LMAO...

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Because he makes black shows that I don't hear anyone talking about. They only talk about Empire and throw in a sprinkle of "Power is better." No one even talks about Power except when referring to Empire.

  • Bootcampgirl

    LOL

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    I actually love Have Nots, but out of all of his shows that is the only one I can tolerate.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    D E A D

  • Blaque Mahogany

    What!? I don't even watch Tyler Perry's shows and I hear people talking about them all the time. And my FB page is full of memes about people waiting for Power to come back...maybe because most of my friends have cable. *shrug*

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Yup. Joy comes in the morning. hehehe

  • Phillybruh

    It was unwinnable. If she defended what she said she would be dragged by black people pretending to be outraged again. She listened to the voice in her head that said Let this go Ray, and just get ready to go tape Blackish and Empire in a couple weeks.

  • nucynu25

    Yep

  • Mel

    "Jussie the goat Smollet" ????? aunty u on a roll today boi

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    See this type of discussion is so far left to me .... I think every show has their own set of audiences .... but Okay I see what your saying .... I watch neither one ..... the acting is terrible to me and so is the writing .... but again certain audiences entertain certain shows.... nothing more nothing less ....

  • iWasteTime

    Ann Coulter giving it to Raven on the View, truly means we are in our last days~

  • Myopinion4u

    They need to stop with all the celebrities!

  • iWasteTime

    I just posted up top.
    Ann giving it to Raven truly spells last days to me !

  • Locapoca

    Run out of sexual favors though ???

    ???? take me to the Kang!!!

  • PettyEyezPrime

    That last muhfukin tieed at the end of each chorus though. ?

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Sandra is always talking about the gay agenda. That's her agenda....gayness. She's actually the orginator. Sandra been calling everybody and they cousin gay before it became the popular thing to do.

  • Queen Negus

    Just wow!! Thanks Sandra for the post and The New York Post owes you money bc You said all of that in your post and comments?

  • Miany

    bullshii white folk got yall repeating in 2015... When it comes to entertainment it is well known that BLACK FOLK can lead all up and down....It is known that WE SELL, our culture is damn near coveted by them folk...maybe they stole so much of it, you can no longer notice... I dont know what the issue is but I do know blackfolk can always sell....white folk just use the failures as excuses, we need to check them for that...making excuses...it does not mean we should lower our standards to accept whateva show gets thrown our way...all in the name of... 'getting a shot to do it better next time' not I...I expect the show to be good or I will fall asleep

  • Myopinion4u

    Kelly Rowland does not look like his mom?

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    lol

  • Queen Negus

    What did she say. Please recap thanks!!

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Bingo ....

  • Phillybruh

    Dark skin women have light babies everyday

  • You Aint Shyt-LuhYou, B.Sweet

    I know right!?!?!? But it goes pretty hard. lol

  • You Aint Shyt-LuhYou, B.Sweet

    It's so ignant but I like it.

  • Queen Negus

    Dead. *,goat singing"

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Lucious been treating Andre this way. He made the doctor and everyone in the room lie when Andre was first diagnosed. He wouldn't go visit him in the mental hospital. He never considered him for the top spot even though he's the one that put in the work. Ain't nothing new with Andre and Lucious. We bout to see if it's going to get knew now that he knows that Andre is a killer which is a trait he admires immensely.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    This world so damn upside down ret now chile lawd ..... I'm so confused

  • Phillybruh

    Oh go write your own show if you can do so much better.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    I called my grandma on the phone she said she muhfukin tieed

  • MotherOfDragons, GetOffMyENuts

    When you put yourself in the position to get legitimately checked by that hateful wench Ann Coulter you need to question your views. Maybe this will be a wake up call for Raven.

  • Str8tUpMenace

    What happened???

  • Wildcat34

    LOL!! Both him and Tyler Perry apply those same casting methods. Just kidding!!

  • Sexy CJ

    The general consensus seems to be that Empire’s co-creator, the flamboyant, middle-aged queen Lee Daniels, ruined the show by using it for his personal gay agenda........

  • Milani

    LOL!!!!!

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    I don't use Facebook in that way, so I don't see those things. Nor do I do Twitter. But I do blogs. You can find any number of new Empire stories every day. Not so much with Tyler or even Power for that matter. Empire is like the Kardashians. People hate it but they know everthing about it.

  • Queen Negus

    I know right. It was written in the script as well and sounded lame. Also raids by Fed, police etc..They don't do it 5-19 minutes apart. It happens simultaneously at all locations so you won't have time to hide. Remember Denzel's movie American Gangster?

  • MotherOfDragons, GetOffMyENuts

    On Friday, gay icon Ann Coulter stopped by The View to share her completely empathetic, nuanced, and non-racist views on immigration. After Coulter called herself a "settler" and said "they founded America, not immigrants," Raven-Symoné, the Angela Davis of The View, responded with, "My mom taught me when I was younger, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all." The audience uproariously cheered to this Bazooka Joe–wrapper wisdom as Symoné continued with, "Why do you think it's important to mudsling?" and asked Coulter why she thinks her success is "based off that."

    Coulter, however, proved she might be a stealth member of Black Twitter, because her clapback was ferocious:

    "Well, I'm at least talking about policy. You have a position on what people's names should be. Watermelondrea ... I mean, you'll insult people for their names. I'm talking about a government policy that affects all Americans, and immigrants, and the people living here. And it's harming our country. So you don't follow it."

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Sad part folks like her want to be so accepted by the Ann's out there .... news flash beesh .... they don't want you either .... damn dummy ....

  • Bootcampgirl

    PHILADELPHIA — Two men accused of beating a gay couple on a Philadelphia street last year must stay out of downtown under a plea agreement that spares them prison time.

    Philip Williams and Kevin Harrigan apologized as they pleaded guilty Thursday to aggravated assault and conspiracy charges. The 24-year-old Williams and 26-year-old Harrigan say the attack wasn't motivated by the couple's sexual orientation.

    Harrigan was accused of using slurs to ask if the couple were gay. Zachary Hesse was then punched in the face; Andy Haught suffered a broken jaw and cheekbones.

    Williams was banned from downtown Philadelphia for five years while on probation. Harrigan's ban is three years. Each will have to perform 200 hours of community service at an LGBT center.

    A third defendant says she'll go to trial.

    ___________________
    Kind of related...so who supposed to make sure dude does not go in downtown Philly for 5 years???

  • lyn Alexandra

    My sister keep trying to get me to watch, I can't, I don't know why, but seems I'm not the only one.

  • SummerBaby

    I see those Power memes all the time. The only time I hear about Have & Have Nots is on Twitter when an episode is airing

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Chile ... Ann said that .... chile ..... Bloop

  • Bootcampgirl

    Ha ha, I didn't know she followed Tre Melvin, with his pretty eyes...

  • Phillybruh

    Did they forgot or just not realize all the trees had similar holes. I guess burying a body is a rush job and something you may not pay that much attention to. Why are we so hard on this show. Shows have been doing this for years on years on years.

  • MsSincerity

    People are just now jumping ship, when they should have a long time ago. I don't watch it, but I saw a clip where the gay one was sitting on the couch saying how "black people were the most homophobic". He said it in a very Public Service Announcement kind of way. Black people are no more homophobic than any other group. Stop letting people s - h - ! - t on yall without consequences. I'm all for my black people succeeding, but may his show continue to tank.

  • Miany

    Thanks Lee

  • Carla

    They need to get back to them coming together not trying to fight one another. It's hard to watch family fight non stop and switch sides so often. It's stupid. It needs to get back to them against the world, better music, real music industry problems, love, sex, drugs... Not this bitch crap

  • nucynu25

    Woah, your comment came across alittle strong but ok. Idk if you just wanted to go on a rant or if you dont get what I posted abt. No where in my comment did I say we needed a white mans approval, I even said if you dont enjoy the show you shouldnt be expected to watch just bc youre black. So what was your point ? I enjoy the show , I understand why others may not enjoy but my question was why root for its failure? I know what we're capable of ,so nah luv i aint repeating shit .

  • Phillybruh

    The show was never about them coming together though.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    That would actually be an awesome route to take. If they could unite against a common threat or something.

  • Nix

    actually it only allows those currently in the business to enter those doors...out of how many characters on the show how many are unknown? now if he hired a cast of unknowns then you have a valid point

  • GuestSTAR

    Wonder was Joy on the panel when stringy haired Ann was on. She's usually on point when she let loose on racists like Ann, O'Reilly & Trump. Getting in Ann's a$$ is like low hanging fruit, EASY!

  • Queen Negus

    Bawaaa. I am bad I taught my 3 how to spell the cuss words they are caught saying.
    Me: what did you just say
    Them:#$%&&%#
    Me: Spell it
    Them: uh uh
    Me: you can not use a mofo damn word you can't fvcking spell!
    Them*eyes wide open with mouth open

    It's a joke Happy Friday??????

  • Wildcat34

    The rolodex is empty! Jaws on lock!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Uhhh I disagree. I dislike the Kardashians, have never seen a show, and beyond what I see on this website--I know nothing about them. I think it's kind of misleading to say that "no one talks about Tyler Perry's shows or Power" and then later reduce your exposure to conversations found on blog sites. I mean the blogs don't talk about Homeland, Orphan Black, or Black-ish for that matter and they all have really big followings.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Stereotypical television to be honest .... but ya'll don't hear me .....

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    What happened with 6'6? He was physically with me but sexting his ex in NC...He has dyck issues. He has a big one but because I told him he hadn't made me come in a minute (maybe due to the meds im on) It fukked with his ego so he let her console his weak azz ego... so go be with her dude...

  • Carla

    I liked how down cookie was with luscious, now she's all over the map. You loose the love between cookie and luscious and you got nothing. It's hard to watch. Nothing is funny or real anymore

  • Milani

    Not really hard on the show bruh...just pointing out the fact that just when they forgot where they buried the body, out pops Lucious and Thirsty with the "corpse detector" to find it. (sorry again Blaque :kona:)

  • MotherOfDragons, GetOffMyENuts

    Joy was there.

  • Queen Negus

    I think Jamal has turn bc he hasn't went to her for help with his music right? He asked his dad to help!! I may be wrong!

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Jussie Smollet, Bryshere Gray, Serayah, Ta'Rhonda Jones and Grace Gealey are all regular cast members that were unknown before Empire. Yes we knew Jussie as a child actor, but like the rest he was not a working actor when he was hired to do Empire. There are more new heads than experienced actors on Empire.

  • ArDnAhC45

    You took it all the way back with this. Is that @0l?. LOL!!!

  • Let Your Soul Glow

    The phrase stems directly from a Happy Days episode where the Fonz literally was waterskiing in his leather jacket and jumped over a shark. Super fans mark that point in the show's history as the moment the show signaled its decline/exit. Since then, people use that phrase to describe any random/desperate gimmick a show does that signals it's decline.

  • Queen Negus

    Because we no longer watches his movies so we can't discuss what we don't watch. IMO we=me???

  • Blaque Mahogany

    What conservative blog wrote this? Raven Symone is the "Angela Davis" of the show. Whet? Ann Coulter is a gay icon with non-racist views?

    I'm glad Ann came for Raven though and I really enjoyed Raven's inability to come back with a response.

  • THE OLDER SISTAH

    I honestly had to google Ann Coulter to make sure there wasn't another one out there. Woody Woodpecker just got checked by one of the most evil bytches out there. Time for Raven to sit down and shut up.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    She was there. I just googled the clip.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    On another note-- is anyone watching any of the new scripted shows? Limitless, Blindspot, The Player?

  • MissyJ

    Nope.. He went to go to Cookie but Lucious stopped him and agreed to help instead of him asking her.

  • marshefen

    I just don't understand why he doesn't explain this all to Andre.

  • ArDnAhC45

    Yes, the roles have switched. I said that i wasn't going to watch it anymore because of the first episode. Wednesday was kinda boring and there seems to be no storyline anymore. Its all over the place. The NY post is right.

  • nucynu25

    My point is its a Black cast. And actually there are a few actors & actress that o hve never heard of . Lol I won't be petty & make a list but I never knew of Jamal or Hakeem before this show.

  • nucynu25

    Thank u.

  • Queen Negus

    Correct bc you love TWD and more and I don't. I can't talk about something I don't watch.
    All shows and movies aren't for everybody, just like their taste of food, clothing's and etc..
    But we come together to talk about other things as well!!

  • ArDnAhC45

    Yes it is. I can take it or leave it now. I'm tired of Jamal's character singing in every episode now.

  • MissyJ

    I don't think this guy actually watches. i don't like the way Jamal is acting but it is clear as to why. And it makes sense. he has what he has always wanted.. his father's approval AND he knows his mama will never turn her back on him no matter how he acts. He wants them both and his siding with daddy now to get that. It's clear subtext and plot.. do folks not study this in high school anymore?

  • Queen Negus

    OK thanks?

  • marshefen

    You're really reaching. No one said it's cool to molest a child.

  • MotherOfDragons, GetOffMyENuts

    I'm sure it was meant as sarcasm, I got this from Vulture.

  • Phillybruh

    Because Andre would never forgive him, all this time Andre has felt alone and that no one understood what he was going through and to learn his father went through it with his mother is unforgivable. He made him fell less than because of it.

  • FlyMiss

    Sandra you are so right... there is absolutely NO PLOT! 4 Episodes in and what has happened? Lucious has gotten out of jail, stole a girl from a recently created girl group by Hakeem, and has found out Andre killed his friend and put the body in his prosecutor's car. THATS IT

  • ArDnAhC45

    Yeah and also turning Hakeem into a thot boy wanting to sleep with every Latino girl that can sing is getting boring now. That girl he saw in the club, I hope he doesn't sleep with her because can sing.

  • FlyMiss

    I've started watching Limitless!! Its pretty interesting... I find it funny that Jennifer Carpenter is playing a cop lol, just like in Dexter. She'll always be Deb to me

  • Phillybruh

    Jamal is actually mad because he took away the one person who truly believed in his talent like Cookie did Jamal, Naomi Campbell.

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    But he has only slept with one latina.

  • ArDnAhC45

    Yeah but she could hardly get up out the chair fast enough when the fbi stormed the office.

  • Phillybruh

    Blindspot is a winner, Limitless is ok and the Player haven't seen

  • Queen Negus

    ?
    ??me

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    Yes...yes I did..lol

  • Chitsngiggles

    You need to question your purpose in life if Ann Coulter is checking you on national tv.

  • jeniefrumdabloc™

    Wow that's all they got?

  • Myopinion4u

    Excuse me? Did I mention color, no. But obviously that was on your mind NOT MINE!

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Lol!

  • ArDnAhC45

    Facts...on the road of getting banned.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    ? this is needed cuz it gets stressful in here

  • Queen Negus

    Dee 3 looked like a white baby. All different nuses came in the room so much on how this dark skin lady can have a white baby.. The Dad is lightskinned . Now him and his dad same color. I have light skin jokes but don't want to offend anyone????

  • Nix

    I get what you're saying but that's still only 3 ppl out of a cast of many....and the major characters are KNOWN...I don't know about anyone else but one of the reasons (out of many) that show is so unappealing to me is that I cant take the known actors seriously thus ineffective storyline

  • Blaque Mahogany

    Chile... I'm always waiting on her to break out in curse words. Lmbo. I'm only two episodes in though. Bradley Cooper's eyes were so blue on that first episode--I got caught up for a min (random).

  • marshefen

    That makes sense. If he had told him when he was first diagnosed, he wouldn't feel so guilty about it now.

  • Blaque Mahogany

    I've see one episode of the Player. I liked it. The star of The Player and the star of Blindspot were co-stars in a show on Cinemax. I liked it too.

    Have you watched Minority Report?

  • ArDnAhC45

    Yeah but the last scene he was in a club and notice someone singing and his eyes said I found a replacement for the other girl lucious stole from him. I'm just hoping that he doesn't sleep with this one.

  • Phillybruh

    Not really, I've tried but it loses me. Like AHS this season..lol

  • Yoni

    I'm trine to warn folks.

  • free

    i think i was done when chris rock walked into the jail....

  • Queen Negus

    You are welcome. I have plenty of jokes bc kids are gone for the whole weekend. I went to Wally for cleaning supplies. Cashier watching credit card machine like it was going to get rejected.I said if that machine could talk it would say: if that black woman uses this card one more time today we will cut it up!! Bawaaa????

  • nucynu25

    Right , most of it honestly makes sense.

  • Renee26

    Jamal is that child that will do anything to gain the approval from his father. Think deeper than the surface. All children want to be accepted by their parents...the script is right on point with reality IMO

  • Aanelove

    Empire sucks now...I loved it before! Oh well...its my birthday tomoro 17th Oct. ?????

  • The Mrs.

    LMAO! That's hilarious!

  • nucynu25

    Happy bday

  • Milani

    Happy Birthday

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    That's 5 people not 3. Taraji, Terrence and Trai (to a MUCH lesser extent) are the only skilled/known actors in the main cast. I'm being real generous including Trai in that, but he has worked in recent years.

  • Renee26

    Yes I will still watch too. I think they didn't expect to get picked up for a season 2 and just did a rush job in writing and filming. The smart move would have been to take their time and make it good regardless of the anticipation of the fans.

  • PettyEyezPrime

    I get that look as well. Went to Bloomingdale's and cashier asking me after every item was scanned was I sure I wanted it. I replied "I want ALL of it and I want another cashier" Bish was tight. Spoke to manager with bags in hand and sashayed to my car.

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Happy birthday suga dumplin!!! Have a great weekend.

  • Queen Negus

    What posts?

  • Winner

    Happy bday

  • Queen Negus

    That's how we roll! Yaass
    Cashier thought you couldn't afford bc she can't. Womp womp!;;

  • Renee26

    Yes, she claimed that she was turned gay years ago by all the gay women that wouldn't leave her alone....hence the continuous anti-gay comments and gay agenda references. LMAO

  • Renee26

    Even in those cases they are not "turned" gay. many victims have psychological damage and may not even remember what happened to them. All they know is that they don't like a particular sex or are drawn to the same sex for unknown reasons. Our brain is amazing and often traumatic memories get repressed.

  • Renee26

    Say that! I support our black actors, writers, and producers because in Hollywood there are few who seek to keep OUR people employed. Nobody ever complains about all the violence, sex, drugs, and gayness in "white" shows but as soon as WE make the big screen they want to boycott the content GTFOH

  • capricorn83

    I must be the only person missing this gay agenda that's being pushed. Jamal's "gayness" only occupies about 5 minutes of each episode so.... I'm confused

  • Phillybruh

    But it occupies so much more space in otherwise hetrosexuals minds that it bothers them so.

  • Saywhatnow?

    It's too much! Every.day! a gay reference...smdh.
    this one is gay, that one is gay, the gay agenda, single mom gonna make young boys gay...I CAN'T.

  • Yoni

    Trying to play HARD! LOL

  • Saywhatnow?

    Now she won't let me post. Get help and stop being bitter.

  • nucynu25

    Girl , you kno how blk ppl do. Susan can play a slut all day, even win an Ocsacr for Her hoe acts. But if Keisha play a slut shes a problem, she's hurting the community. Mfs complain abt the lack of shows featuring us & still root for the failure of one when we get it .

  • http://www.landofpure.net Fayla

    LMAOOOO!!!!!!!! I love it WUT

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    You think child molestation is funny, bitch?

  • Carla

    Why?

  • Carla

    True

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    That's my problem. NOTHING could turn me against my family. It is weird to watch a black family go at it for weeks on in. Turn against Anika. Conspire to kick out Mimi Whiteman. Not family.

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    They were already together. They have completely ripped them apart this season. Andre was the only outsider.

  • Chellie141508

    That's what I don't get people don't watch it but the post be three four hundred comments about what he did wrong..if you didn't watch it you wouldn't know..smdh

  • MissyJ

    But were you raised to compete and fight with your family? Lucious strategically pit them against one another their whole lives. While they were "close" they have had issues and probably bubbling seething resentments (we know Andre does lol)

  • Carla

    You need to get to stepping

  • Readytochokemothernatureonout

    Jussie the goat lol omg. It is terrible I admit

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    I'm breaking my neck to watch The Player. It's OK but I'm easily distracted from it.

  • MissyJ

    I'm watching The Player.. don't think it will last

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    Wow. Thanks for that bit of trivia.

  • Nix

    so let me get this straight a show can be straight shyt (which IMO empire is) but because it keeps black employed in Hollywood we gotta love it? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO. please be advised black ppl in Hollywood could give two shyts and a wrist twist about you.

  • http://theempirefiend.tumblr.com/ Bird

    True-ish. Hakeem and Jamal were very close until Lucious pitted them against one another.

  • Nix

    you and your buddy renee need to quit generalizing...ppl are entitled to their opinion, just because I don't like big gay Lee's show doesn't mean I don't like other black shows that are out and similarly white shows that are like empire...you guys are making shyt up in your comments...you must work for the united states census

  • nucynu25

    No actually I don't but I didn't expect for you to take my comment soo literally. So yes ,you are right I should've said SOME blk ppl. NEXT

  • Zizzle

    "It's game time, bytches." - Lucious Lyon

    Was that meant to strike fear?

  • MissyJ

    Also this family is fighting of a billion dollar company... Beyonce told you.. Of course some chit go down when it's a billion dollars on the elevator lolol

    folks fighting over lil 300 savings account and big momma house when she died.. No stretch to see these folks fighting simply because they are brothers

  • Miany

    I am not reaching.....Sandra has told her story on her blog many times...ummmm yea that is what she feels happened to her...Saywhatnow? made what I believe to be a tacky comment so I addressed her...umm marshefen if you did not do the homework dont bother addressing me...you aint got the ansas Sway

  • nucynu25

    No, i don't but i didn't expect for you to take my comment literally. Man I keep saying the same thing if you don't like the show u don't like it. Understanding is important. and yes you are right I should've said SOME blk ppl.NEXT

  • Saywhatnow?

    Not my fault she is bitter. I love how being banned on a blog is what bothers you folks. It's just a blog. SMDH. Not in anyway important to anyone.

  • jussaying

    I'm watching Limitless and I really love it so far. Very interested to see it basically picked up right where the movie left off and Bradley is a recurring char on it

  • jussaying

    I watched MR. It's alright. I don't think they've established an overall plot to be working toward so if you like the usual law & order type of shows you'll probably like this. It's the murder of the week with the added suspense that hey there are people who have a gift (only 3 in the entire world) and there's risk the govt will find them and kill them. They also introduced software that profiles people and never really pose questions or examine how it can infringe on rights & so forth like the film did.

  • jussaying

    Did you watch AHS yesterday though? Or this week whenever it comes on lol. I really love Evan Peters I didn't realize how awesome of an actor he is. That accent tho. To think I know him from Kick Ass and Xmen Days of Future Past and Present.

  • jussaying

    Or Emily Rose lol.

  • You Aint Shyt-LuhYou, B.Sweet

    That ignant song from YouTube that i posted.

  • stanhope

    Miss Daniels' ego got the best of her. That New Orleans voo doo priestess Mo'Nique hired didn't help either. She is in a death spiral and Oprah ain't gonna help her. She already has a head of court in her royal highness Tyler Perry. O also knows that the dirt you throw today see Mo'Nique may be the dirt you receive tomorrow. Miss Daniels had better get the original writers back and scrap what's in the can. Then she needs to call Diahann Carroll and resurrect Dominique Devereaux as a record label owner. Then she needs to call Vanessa Williams to come aboard and play her ruthless daughter. Only then might she have a prayer. To settle the spirits, she might write a small role for Mo'Nique.

  • stanhope

    Taraji call your agent and renegotiate. If you leave this turd is over. Get the coins!

  • Queen Negus

    No she asked for a raise before she started taping Second Season. She knew it was going to be a hot mess, so she got her money and got a new crib!

  • Queen Negus

    OK OK!! Lol

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    ?...?

  • marshefen

    Yeah, she seems like she might be a good girl. Hope he doesn't try to sleep with her.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    I'm speaking for myself. I'm not going to be happy to see it fail. What I can say is it seems a good writing team was dismissed and it shows. Why can't reviews be given without taking it to heart? If you are in a business, it seems as if you would want to know if your consumers enjoy your product. Give the people what they , what initially drw them to you in the first place. At least you are getting a heads up before it all goes to pot.

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    We support you bruh, just let it make sense. Is constructive criticism too far fetched that one refuses to see or listen?

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Boom! BOL. Poor Blaque...?

  • Monday

    Who really watches it here??

  • Unita Lucinda “Lucy” Freebush

    Bruh...

  • stanhope

    That's my girl! Without her there is no show other than Miss Lawrence trying to be Sylvester and failing. Crawling across the desk? Really bitch?

  • nucynu25

    I Def understand with you are saying . Am not referring to ppl like you who don't like the show. You are entitled to your opioion. Am talking abt the ppl who hust

  • BLOODBLOOD

    I'm ready for POWER that's a great show empire is turning into idk what to call but I'm sure somebody understands my brain thoughts ?

  • stanley

    With 12 million viewers it's still doing better than Scandal

  • Queen Negus

    OK Lee Daniels. Dub, Bird,Divine ,Keya and more (add names here) would love to write an episode. Except*whispering watch Dub closely, she would add new characters and bring Rib Eye Steaks for everyone* !! That's all. Enclosed is pic of Steaks she is bringing!? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/809a1f5533d463ac0e4e7b567396d8d7fa8f574f9bdde8fa5ac4c0ae05b20c52.jpg

  • Queen Negus

    ???? The current writer are white and old. That is why Season 2 suck. The scene about the Feds and they taking over a police investigation doesn't make sense. Plus Feds raid simultaneously not minutes apart.

  • Queen Negus

    By pushing the gay card and kissing scenes turns viewers off.

  • Queen Negus

    Happy B day and many more to come
    ?

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    I'm so sorry, hun. But that's his loss. If he couldn't commit to attempting to restore the physical intimacy between you two, he may be less committed to the ups & downs of a long-term, committed relationship. Better you know now than finding out much later that he's not "all in" :hug:

  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today
  • Nancy Drew on my ibrowse today

    Smooches, Bewski! <3

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    Time folks be honest about Empire. It is a horrible show that does not have a plot or strong storyline. The acting is horrific. I said many a times that Cookie misbehaving every episode isn't enough to carry a show. Instead of getting with a group of reputable producers and writers, Lee continues to let his orgy buddies pen episodes.

    He apparently wishes for Jussie in a threesome or something cuz I still can't fathom why every episode this guy gets a music video segment. Any scribe worth their salt know damn well this show is horrible and none of us, as virgin writers to the industry lusting to pop our cherries, could EVER get away with this crop of crap. Cancel it. It's not entertaining. It fills a void in time, but it's not real or entertaining. DUH DUH DUH. Queue overly dramatic horror movie music for a drama. SMH.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    But Scandal sustains it's audience and ratings numbers. Empire is the penny stock that couldn't. Hype and advertising blew it up so everyone will buy into it. Once that happens, the promoters and such pull out with their profits (Fox, ad dollars) and watch the stock plummet (again, Fox, collected top dollars for ads).

    I wanted to see this show succeed so badly. We needed this. Lee Daniels treated this project like he never expected it to see a complete first season, let alone a ratings winner. When S1 ended, he should have called a meeting, put out a call to vet writers, and came back with a vengeance. We knew it would end when Taraji came out in the damn monkey suit in a cage. No ma'am.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    No it isn't. That script is horrible week to week.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    Script is horrible boo. Memory lane, mini concert week after week, etc. If they're lucky enough to get a S3, Fox will take over the show. Show runners get removed all the time.

  • MissyJ

    I literally have no idea what you're trying to say.... But I support your right to say it.. Rock on

  • Phatbootycutie

    Wtf girl go get u some business this shit is tmi u just desperate for attention

  • Phatbootycutie

    Girl he used u and left u for the next chick u got played now ur in ur feelings sitting here broadcasting ur business for attention like u never had dick before #GirlBye

  • Blaque Mahogany

    I'll have to check it out.

  • Savoy7

    I don't watch Empire because it is on the FOX channel. Never have, never will.

  • Rolly

    Yeah I have to agree. Pairing Jamal with Luscious then Hakeem with Cookie was stupid. Even having Boo Boo Kitty running up behind Cookie is dumb. It would have been better to keep it like it was & play on those plots. But then again alliances within families change like the wind so what do I know?? ???

  • Traci404

    I liked Jamal better when he was NICE and the underdog in the fight. He had a "drive and a ambition". The new Jamal is not cool.
    And Boo-Boo Kitty was awesome when she was The Evil Debutant.
    She had a pizzazz about her. Now she is begging Cookie for a job? NOPE

    Cooke was more, an "added Crazy" last season. Not the Entire Show.
    The "Black, Loud Mouth, Ghetto, Bitch, thang " is not working for many of us...
    At this rate, they may have 2 million views at the end of the season.

    This is how you take a " good thing and "f*ck it up" !

  • Traci404

    Too soon...they didnt give the viewers enough time to adapt to his NEW way of thinking...they just jumped into it.
    Leaving viewers lost and befuddled.

  • Traci404

    Lee said Fox the Network wanted all these guest stars.

    What ever they thought they were doing with these special guest stars on...BACK FiRED!

  • Traci404

    Doesnt help one iota, that the Owner of the Network Rupert Murdoch, is busy telling folks we need a "Real Black President"

    Sit Down Murdoch, we arent here for You,
    and I am not making you richer by watching anything on the Fox Network. ( fricking Fox. News too)

  • Noize4u

    Lmao @ the goat

  • Tulena

    I think the story plot getting old and luscious character is starting to get stupid, they need better singers, change the story plot a little

  • Aanelove

    Thank you dear ??

  • stanley

    LOL Everybody is a critic. I'm sure he will take in all the criticism and improve the show with the 3rd season.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    Hopefully. He should definitely listen to me. I was the one that said Brandy and Beyonce would both be stars. And they are.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    LOL Yes you do. I know you do. The show's predictable. Many shows lose showrunners (HPIC) all the time.

  • stanley

    lol... Shut up... You don't know either of them.

  • Candace O.

    Well, the show keep losing 3 million viewers by the week. If care is not taken, they're gonna be left with just one million viewers by the end of the season. So, I agree, looks Lee's n**a moment is happening for sure. And I hear the two main character stars, Taraji and Terrence haven't been getting along as the two seem to have their own idea of what the shows should be able.

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    Lol..you don't even know me.FOH. I'm never played boo. Dis nigga paid my bills while I sat at home during surgery and even before he was slicing his bread my way. So if anything he played himself thinking cuz he was sharing bread he could do what he wanted. His ass got put out my shyt.Now nigga may play your dumb azz and you projecting your hurt azz feeling but not me. So know who and what you speaking on before you open your ignorant mouth . #newtothisblogisee or else you would know the whole story..

  • Wuts got Petty Davis Eyes..

    Thanks Nancy.

  • Gina Waters

    LMFAO YES!!!!!!! YOU WIN! FATALITY!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    lol, but I called it when 'I wanna be down' was released and when DC did (slow) no, no, no. I was right.

  • Soon2BWife

    Shouldn't have shot that low blow at Donnie M. (God don't like ugly) and force fed the gay agenda to a largely Christian/Conservative audience. When are people going to realize that black folks don't side with the conservative right politically but are by in large conservative in their views: they believe in God, accept the Bible at its word thus, don't believe in same sex relations. 

  • Emily post

    Yes it was interesting last season but the over the top gay agenda characters that make no sense ... boring lines trying way too hard too be cool with cookie and Luscious lol more corny than anything
    ... They ruined Anikas character - took all the class and prostituted her literally out.
    ..... Cookie what is going on with her... She got upstaged by Melissa Tormei and her wardrobe and lines lol ... the awful wardrobe and hair makeup and the writing of her lines lack of character ... who is the Costume designer and Art Director all the characters look like they are from different time periods.
    Andres manipulating power money hungry wife.. character changed completely turns into the loving supportive wife this season

  • ShameTheDevil

    The show is like a ripped bag of skittles. Things are everywhere in rainbow fashion.