Brave reporter asks Sheriff Mann about losing certification appeal after he was arrested for soliciting sex from men in public park

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DeKalb County Sheriff Jeffrey Mann is fighting to keep his certification a year after he was arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover cop in Piedmont Park. Sheriff Mann and his attorney, Noah Pines, attended a Peace Officer Standards and Training Council appeals hearing in February.

The POST Council voted to revoke Mann‘s law enforcement certification last September following his late night arrest in the park.

After February’s meeting, the POST Council denied Mann’s appeals to keep his certification. Mann needs the certification to remain in office as Sheriff.

The Sheriff was arrested last May after he exposed himself to an undercover Atlanta Police officer. He ran a quarter mile before the officer caught up to him and cuffed him.

In a normal world, Sheriff Mann would have lost his job following his arrest. But in this post-Obama era, people are afraid to condemn a public official for soliciting sex in a public park.

Adhering to Atlanta’s Politically correct code, the POST Council made it clear that they revoked his certification for running from an officer — not for exposing his junk to that officer.

In Atlanta the message is clear: you can break the law as long as you’re gay — just don’t run from the cops after you do something unlawful.

Rather than terminate him, DeKalb County lawmakers gave Mann the option of suspending himself — which he did.

He was also banned for life from Piedmont Park — but there are other parks in the city where he can still go at night.

Brave Channel 2 Investigative Reporter Nicole Carr stops Mann for a comment every time she sees him in public.

Thursday was no different. She approached the Sherif after he held a press conference to announce he was shuttling 300 inmates to another prison while the jail undergoes mold cleaning.

“On another note, yes I pulled Sheriff Mann aside to address the elephant that’s often in the room with us.” Carr tweeted. “Confirmed POST has denied his certification appeals rooted in last year’s Piedmont Park arrest, guilty plea for running from APD.”

Carr will air her on-the-spot interview with Sheriff Mann tonight on WSB-TV Channel 2 in Atlanta.

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  • Trey

    Disgusting

  • Wreckognize Game

    I only have one question..
    Why is his uniform shirt so tight?

  • SaltineCrackers

    Aren’t there easier ways to pick up trade?

  • Quitedeliteful

    LOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!!

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    Obviously he’s a closet case.

    He probably even has a girlfriend.

  • Quitedeliteful

    Investigative Reporter Nicole Carr stops Mann for a comment every time she sees him in public.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    He must be sick of her!!! LOLLOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!!!

  • Rayne

    That is now a blouse ? lmao

  • FukkFolks2018

    Nicole Carr
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Is the absolute SHIZNIT. I have sang her praises here on this blog before. She went to ATL from HERE and covered our news at WTVD. We loved her to pieces. NC STAND UP!!!!!!!!!!! Love ya hun!

  • SaltineCrackers

    That man up top DOES NOT look like he has a girlfriend. I would be shocked if he did with that tight a$$ uniform shirt.

  • bella28498 .

    He isn’t above being asked questions.

  • jazzysmith12

    She better be careful.She might come up missing like the brotha from the “KKK” ,I mean CDC.

  • Marquita

    Good lord. Is all the mens in atlanta gay. Every public person there always getting caught up in some scandal.

  • Pitty Patty

    Sis better tighten security around her house. How dare she question the authorities.

  • MookieFly

    He was also banned for life from Piedmont Park — but there are other parks in the city where he can still go at night.
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    DEAD!! ???https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6315f00a7ecfcbc217914a4951f212e20b0c74a4d29086da51018cc1a735e555.gif

  • Pitty Patty

    Rather than terminate him, DeKalb County lawmakers gave Mann the option of suspending himself — which he did.
    —————————————————————————
    Man, what kind of bullshyt is this?

  • Pitty Patty

    I just said that.

  • iWasteTime
  • Alextra Ballard

    So it doesn’t say rather it was male or female….I betchu Mann like men. This mofo in a public park soliciting men. How desperate can one Mann be.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!
  • Scromes1212

    This is a union issue. It’s hard to fire people with union representation

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    *cackles*

  • Scromes1212

    Lol he had to have that altered. It’s no way that’s the shirt the department gave him originally smh

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    but why am i tickled at the part about him being banned from the park for life? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb4264f7d4d7227830d50436ebc02fe52f854ab6633bc6dbb91c04c30c8efcd0.gif

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!
  • Scromes1212

    He is a sexual deviant lol

  • SpillyNillie

    “He ran a quarter mile before the officer caught up to him and cuffed him.”

    Don’t know why but this shit here took me O U T!! Like they didn’t recognize his ball headed ass! I guess the sheriff said you gone have to catch me Jack!

  • Wreckognize Game

    Fa real?

  • Alextra Ballard

    We already know y it’s tite…and he looks as though he has a small waist

  • Wreckognize Game

    So true. I thought that too. He might look like 50 with his shirt off.

  • SpillyNillie

    And he better stay out since he can’t out run the police…

  • Tay Gee

    Sandra, I have a question for you.
    Do you ever post positive things about LGBTQIA people? Please confirm. – Concerned Reader

  • Sushi

    The headline said men.

  • Scromes1212

    She post EJ Johnson out and about all the time.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!
  • Sushi

    But if you have ever been to Peidmont Park you would know it is real easy. It is everywhere men and women.

  • Tammie Reed

    Never understood why folks like hooking up in parks, what is the fascination with that? I hear that particular park is disgusting too with condoms all over the place! I have a male friend who told me that, no thanks, I will stay my ass up here in the burbs! I don’t really like parks anyway with my hay fever, I’m not really the outdoorsy type lol.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    but “life” tho…. like, stay away from our wide open public spaces… get back in the closet, ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a16feb7886870b58e876a7ffc6b264e7419e743bb55ec579123b82d4a427799.gif

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    he IS snatched aint he?!

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    they was sleepin’ on this dude. a quarter mile is a good distance on foot, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • i troll it like i see it

    So is Piedmont Park some kind of meet up spot for soliciting sex or something? I don’t live in Atlanta. When I hear the word “park” I think of a family place with people having picnics, BBQ cookouts and such.

  • NeverSurprised

    So the county’s highest law enforcement officer is a sexual deviant, but because he’s GAY, no one is permitted to mention the NATURE of his deviancy?

    At the rate we’re going, the various state legislatures will soon start introducing laws stating: “If you are GAY OR TRANS, you are free to break any laws you want in this country.” And I am only SLIGHTLY exaggerating.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    this must be the park-after-dark activities, LOL!!!!

  • TheOwley

    True. He wanted anonymity but surely there are ways to achieve that without resorting to this.

  • Meme

    Ha you clocked that too lol

  • Pitty Patty

    CNN is reporting No foul play found in the Cunningham death. They are saying he was depressed though. And that there were rumors of him being a flu vaccine whitsleblower, although those rumors have been debunked by police and HIS FAMILY. They are about to close this case real soon.

    Just as I depicted the story would go.

  • Meme

    Teeheeheee

  • Libra80sBaby

    That uniform shirt look PAINTED on….hell nall Sheriff.

  • Pitty Patty

    Thats the agenda.

  • NeverSurprised

    It absolutely is, but most Americans are too blind to see what’s happening.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    No Aunt Sandy is a self-hating lesbian who wants to paint gays and lesbians in the worst possible light.

  • Banka

    Smh, Mr. Mann Mr. Mann …. Mr. mann

  • Meme

    Me neither can’t stand parks walking about totally oblivious to the fact a bug has attached itself into you for the free ride!!! Ugggh.

    They call that anon sez in the park ”cottaging’ so I have read somewhere?

  • Pitty Patty

    America sees what’s happening. America just chooses to go along to get along. Its not a coincidence at all.

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    No, Sandy posts about him so we can have a good laugh at EJ’s expense.

  • Ghost

    You can thank GLAAD.org for this mess!

  • Ghost

    I’m willing to bet every large city has a park like this…kids and family during the day…and other crap after dark…smh

  • http://batman-news.com Roderick2011

    I have seen women put up with men who were more ‘suspect’.

  • Ghost

    Well good to know some law enforcers are still in good shape. I look at the police here in my city and know they couldn’t even run across the street if something happened. Most look 7 months pregnant…smh and lol

  • Dun Dilly

    Dude ran 1/4 Mile, tho. He was not trying to get caught.

  • Ghost

    He wants the men to see what he has to offer….LMAO

  • Kemi

    I know his offense is wrong, but can’t take this write up seriously. I just have a vision in my head of how sh@t went down & it just cracks me up. ???

    On a serious note, it’s disappointing that a law enforcer is caught with his pants down.. literally.

  • Tay Gee

    Ok, I was just making sure I wasn’t crazy.

  • Ozad

    LOL Sandra you mean in this current ” having raw sex with porn stars while married” current Trump administration is why this sheriff still has his job. Lordt!!! you be trying it!!!

  • Tay Gee

    Exactly! Always the most unflattering pictures she can find, smh.

  • SaltineCrackers

    LOL

  • SaltineCrackers

    Lol, shame.

  • Ozad

    Especially since she is LGBT herself.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Lol. What is LGBTQIA?

  • RICHIE_RICH

    He one of the kids

  • RICHIE_RICH

    Yes it use to be worst back in the day! Its the premiere park in the city ?

  • RICHIE_RICH

    Right we have a mental illness! Aunt so that means you suffer from mental illness?

  • 90’sBawdy

    I was thinking the exact same thing…?

  • Tay Gee

    Come on Sandra, you gotta keep up, lol. :)
    (QIA) Queer OR Questioning, Intersex, Allies

  • Hugga Bunch

    Sheriff Mann tho lmao ?
    The jokes write themselves!

  • Hugga Bunch

    Hide yo’ kids for real lol

  • Malcom Flex

    Too many black males are down low and need to be called out. Why? Living a life that is a web of lies negatively affect everybody he comes in contact with. Down low males in power are trouble, period. Good example, J Edgar Hoover.

  • Kemi

    Rotfl ?… u can’t make this shat up!

  • Alicia.Ashe

    Why his button up so tight tho…….

  • bhavana

    It looks uncomfortable. One hamburger and those buttons will pop!

  • DeJeri

    ALL of his pictures are unflattering to be fair.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Are you concerned that a public official is still drawing a paycheck after exposing himself to a man in a park? I’m concerned about that too. I’m also concerned that people like you think I should sugar coat this man’s deviant behavior just because he prefers the same sex.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    I didn’t say gay people have a mental illness. But mental illness runs rampant in our community. People who suffer from gender dysphoria are by definition mentally ill.

  • Tay Gee

    You didn’t answer the question, so let me repeat it for you… I ask again, do you ever post positive things about LGBTQIA people? Clearly you post the negative stories, but where is the balance? – Concerned Reader

  • Tay Gee

    I don’t agree but that’s okay. :)

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Lol. I can tell she’s not from here. The homegrown reporters won’t touch this story.

  • freelancepimp .

    “But in this post-Obama era, people are afraid to condemn a public official for soliciting sex in a public park.”
    No, people are afraid to condemn a public official for soliciting gay sex in a public park.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose
  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    The city locked the back gate permanently because the gays would have sex in the park during the day while families were picnicking.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    Don’t forget Obama’s role in this madness.

  • RoniV

    Bet he waist trains….Lol

  • Bonita

    Haahaa I copied and was about to paste the same quote, with the same counter argument until I saw your post! Great minds think alike. Heterosexuals act too afraid to take on any issues that involve homosexuals due to the LGBT communities bully tactics, and the fact that there are so many closeted homosexuals in positions of power who can discreetly do irreparable damage to one’s businesses, political campaigns, personal lives, etc.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    I’ll stick with LGBT – although I wish they would drop the T since they are not really a part of our community.

  • BlackMenHATEBlackWomen

    ATL= HIV WORLD HEADQUARTERS!

    Black women, PLEASE stay away from these down low men and get tested before engaging in sex.

  • http://sandrarose.com SandraRose

    You’re taking this rather personally.

  • Tay Gee

    Article # 1 – Insulting and insinuating things about Queen Latifah isn’t a positive article. Not to mention she has never come out as gay whether she is or not. So writing an article about “who she really is, playing Cleo” is not nice or positive.

    Article #2 – Referring to Denzel’s daughter as a “Troubled Lesbian” and questioning his parenting isn’t positive. Not to mention the ongoing rhetoric about mental illness.

    Article #3 – Naming half of the cast of Empire as gay is yet another dig and not a positive article. There is only 1 out gay person on the show, but you would rather insinuate 4 others cast mates are also.

    Article #4 – Calling Paris Jackson confused and commenting on Cara’s failed relationships isn’t positive.

    Article #5 – So again an article full of insinuation isn’t positive.

    Article #6 – Do you really think the article about Keke Palmer was positive? Come on now Sandra.

    Here’s the point, not one person in those articles would be happy about those post. You want to know why? That’s because they were negative and full of insinuations. If those are the examples of “positive articles” you failed miserably. – Concerned Reader

  • Tay Gee

    I’m just making an observation and it’s seems like I might be on to something, lol.

  • http://thedevereauxshow.com/ Ms.Devereaux

    You made me scroll back up to see ??? I want my relationship to be as strong as those dam buttons and I want our bond to be as tight as that shirt

  • Queen B

    I live in Atlanta and ive been with my partner for 6 years if a woman has a man and they spend alot time together u know if he likes men these women b in denial smh or they need to stop having unprotected sex with strangers

  • the guest

    Gross.

  • HalleMerry

    Intersex? Allies? I can’t keep up with this foolishness…If you’ve ONLY F$ck;d the opposite sex you are straight. If you’ve had ANY type of sex with the same sex you are gay!!! The end…

  • HalleMerry

    And what’s the difference between Queer and gay??

  • Ghost

    I have to agree…

  • Ghost

    smdh….

  • Jethro
  • HalleMerry

    It’s a good practice to go get tested together for any std’s before having sex,that’s how I roll…I don’t understand how people are giving BJ’s without that info…I once treated a patient with Gonorrhea in the throat..it was all green and pus coming out?

  • Bee jaay Cee

    I just did a teaching curriculum for the state and didn’t know about the IA addition.

  • Ni Ni

    ??

  • Jethro
  • Jethro

    He’s the new cop in the Village People.

  • Ni Ni

    What the freak!!! They are deviants indeed.

  • Jethro

    Did Obama turn you gay?

  • Jethro

    Don’t forget the Blackness. She hates that too.

  • imright

    that part confused me as well…

  • MookieFly

    I busted out laughing lol

  • Blessed

    Which is why she only perpetrates the negative about the black race, and NEVER the positive. It’s sad, because she’s an intelligent woman with so many negative hangups.

  • imright

    why is his shirt so tight ?! sheesh ??

  • NeverSurprised

    ??????????

  • Tay Gee

    Queer can mean anything. Straight people can identify as queer for reasons or otherwise. It’s like an umbrella term. You can be trans, bi, gay, gender non-conforming and identify as queer.

  • Tay Gee

    It’s only foolish when we can’t relate most of time. People of mixed race tend to run into these problems with how to identify themselves. Sometimes the boxes that are available to be checked, don’t always identify with who we are, so it’s up to us to create our own. :)

  • yvette46

    He look gay with that tight ass Y.M.C.A shirt!! Lol

  • NeverSurprised

    GLAAD has been around for 33 years. They tried for 20 years to get gay marriage legislation passed and never had any success until OBAMA came in office promoting gay this and trans that.

    Our current situation — gay marriage, men in women’s bathrooms, male students in girls’ locker rooms and showers, 10 year old boys being given testosterone blockers so they can “transition” to girls, “trans” women committing crimes and media outlets no longer identifying them as “trans” and thereby giving the false impression that REAL WOMEN are committing more crime — NONE of that was happening before Obama. This is all part of HIS pro-gay agenda.

  • HalleMerry

    Thanks for the info hun! Sometimes I just wonder how long the LBQT…letters will get,it’s as if every year there is a new way of identifying ourselves.At what point does the general public began to not take it seriously?

  • Kimberly King

    Ole nasty ass. IDK what it is, but I don’t trust men without facial hair. Especially if they’re older!! They’re creepy AF.

  • NeverSurprised

    That’s because he IS gay. He was soliciting a man for sex in the park.

  • NeverSurprised

    She’s referring to all of the pro-gay and -trans legislation ushered in by Obama, and the general climate that no longer allows us to spolight any negative conduct engaged in by gay or trans people. This Sheriff was soliciting a man for sex, but the Councii only mentioned his running from the officer, NOT the gay sex solicitation.

  • NeverSurprised

    ?????????

  • Anunnaki

    Noah is my boy, we are actually kool, well he got a jew working on his behalf, plus noah was D.A for dekalb county, he know alot of folks.

  • ?Royalty?

    *faints* .??

  • Anunnaki

    Just dont fck chyt in atlanta SERIOUSLY. If u single, MOVE, I dam sure did. u have to think errbody DL. To save yourself

  • EMILY POST

    Post Obama era…. LOL

  • OvertheMississippi

    Let sleeping dogs lie. Cover local government corruption.

  • NeverSurprised

    Sad but oh so true!

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lo6u-UIbo Nancy Drew-Natural & Luv’n It!

    Gosh! They were determined to get it in huh!
    ( “back gate” though… You slated me Sandra)?????

  • pecancandy

    This Piedmont park must be quite the place.

  • Applebum

    “In Atlanta the message is clear: you can break the law as long as you’re gay — just don’t run from the cops after you do something unlawful.“

    ?????????????

  • nick c

    Solicitation for sex always baffles me especially from cities that have rampant violent crime run amok, spending all their resources on people trying to have consensual sex for money who cares?

  • zero options

    Miss rose!
    “Post-obama era”?
    Can you ‘splain me what all that entails?
    I’m not the only one who would appreciate that clarification.
    Thank you

  • Ryan

    Trump’s been in there for over a year now so it’s currently his “era”, unfortunately. So what’ll be the excuse next year. And the year after that.

  • Ryan

    I’ve lived in Atlanta for several years now and have been unscathed; please believe that whether somebody lives in Atlanta, Birmingham, ANYWHERE that if they wanna get it in they will. Just be safe and use common sense and don’t be a dummy thinking you’re magically “safe” cause you live out wherever.

  • Lorenzo Chaps

    Chillllllllllllllle. You have no idea. F*** the dm’s. It goes down in the parks.

  • jazzysmith12

    Don’ t give a f!!ck about y’all feelings.The Most High Yah said don’t be g!ay then don’t be g!ay .It’s in the laws of MA’AT!!!

  • Durbhad CC

    Does he have on a waist trainer?? Sitting up there shaped like a coke bottle. Tight azz shirt. That should be a violation. Make it stop! :(

  • Durbhad CC

    Lmao

  • Mr.LeBrickJames

    The stories I’ve heard… disgusting.

  • NeverSurprised

    Trump has nothing to do with the pro-gay/pro trans agenda at issue, OR with the current climate of PRIVILEGE that gay and trans CRIMINALS are enjoying — Ex: this GAY DEVIANT sheriff and the two WHITE LESBIANS who, because of pro-gay leniency, were allowed to STARVE and MURDER SIX BLACK CHILDREN.

    This is ALL on Obama and his very “close” relationship with the gay community, and you know damned well it’s true. All of these GAY-TRANS laws and executive orders to protect these ABNORMAL, IMMORAL, UNSTABLE CRIMINALS who are ruled by their sexual urges were passed with OBAMA’s help, not Trump’s.

  • NeverSurprised

    Did Sandra dress him up in ridiculous clothes and bad makeup, then send him out to paparazzi-infested clubs? NO. He does that himself, with the CLEAR DESIRE to be photographed while looking like the mentally ill village clown. How is it Sandra’s fault for giving him the publicity he so desperately seeks?

  • imright

    ???

  • Jordan’s Memory

    I don’t get it. You a Sheriff and u don’t have a rolodex full of male tail you can purchase? Why sit in a dark park like a perv Now this fetish or addiction has cost you ur career! smdh

  • Lainy Damone

    He may like the rush of no one knowing and may also be living a straight life or not comfortable with being gay. So many issues there. . After Arron Hernandez i believe anything is possible just waiting for Mayweather to come out . No one should be suprised

  • KISSmyENTIREass

    He cute in that uniform… Hope to meet him in the park one day…

  • Mints

    In all fairness, police officers cant have facial hair besides a moose stash. Its the same as being in the military

  • DaughterOfaQueen

    Damn no video!

  • MistaO

    No integrity. A law enforcement officer caught breaking the law and still on the job??? And people wonder why there is no respect/boundaries in this society today..

  • MistaO

    Says you with that gay pic. Js…

  • Simone

    Well-written article as usual Sandra Rose! It is outrageous that he’s still the Sheriff (same for incompetent Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel). In this post-Obama era, you have job security if you’re a gay Democrat or Democrat of any race.

  • NorthDeKalb

    I totally agree that he should’ve been terminated point blank, but I’m struggling to understand your overt disdain toward Barack Obama. I just don’t see the correlation between the former Prez and the horny Sherriff at all. If anything it highlights the shady politically motivated decisions, delinquency and corruption of the Dekalb County government (which is no secret) in my mind.

  • Pnthr

    All those gay men in Atlanta willing to give it up and he trolling public parks? Why? Males have some really deviant behaviors.

  • Libra80sBaby

    One of the “churren” lol

  • Kimberly King

    Oh I know. I used to date a fireman and they had the same requirements. My comment still stand though. He’s a creep. So are 99.2% of the men with zero facial hair

  • RICHIE_RICH

    Down

  • Trace da Ace

    well damn…..this is what happens when you want some random to suck you off in the park…lol….but on another note, his shirt is soooo tight I can see his heart beating!!!

  • Trace da Ace

    LMAO @ male tail….

  • jazzysmith12

    lol but my Egyptian ancestors walked around all the time with their shirts off all the time.The Rock,Michael B Jordan and every other celeb can have their shirts off but I can’t .You sound stupid!!! I smell a hater. How about you hit the gym FATBOY

  • NorthDeKalb

    I think the ones who frequent(ed) Piedmont Park after hours are those who *cough* aren’t comfortable (or have minimal to zero chances of success) when the sun is up. I’m sure some are enticed by the thrill of misbehavior, but by and large they’re boogers by day.

  • Karen Brady

    I thought he was just exposing his jackhammer.. didn’t know he was soliciting. He’s disgusting either way.

  • Karen Brady

    LOL.. you probably will

  • Jethro

    Has Ms. Rose adopted?

  • zero options

    Officer Dangle! reno 911!

  • MRiGOThim

    Its funny that his last name is Mann & was getting all the men:P

  • Tay Gee

    Ummm, let’s agree to disagree. :)

  • World’s Moistest Jheri Curl

    she’s struggling to draw a correlation. but if there’s anything wrong in the world, BLAME OBAMA!

  • Karen Brady

    STOP!!! I LOVED that show and Dangle was my FAVE!!!! With his tight zaa uniform booty shorts.

  • Not a Housewife & Neither RU

    Ur funny Sandy! “post-Obama era” lol Seems like this is more up the alley of your current commander in chief. How long he been grabbing women by the p****?