Florida Megachurch Pastor Zachery Tims, Jr. was found dead in his upscale hotel room in New York City on Thursday, according to published reports.
Tims, 43, the pastor of an 8,000-member megachurch in Orlando, Fla., was found dead on the floor of a suite in the Times Square W Hotel, according to WSJ.
A maintenance worker entered the room and found Tims lying on his back between the living room and bedroom of the $400-a-night suite. He was unresponsive.
According to WSJ, police found an envelope in one of his pockets containing a powdery white substance. The substance is being tested for cocaine.
There were no signs of robbery or trauma to his body.
Tims’ death is a sad end to his inspirational rise from a drug addicted teenage criminal on the streets of Maryland. Tims loved to recount the story of how he was “miraculously saved” and aspired to be a man of God, leading his flock to prosperity and riches.
According to his memoir published in 2006, Tims put down the guns and drugs in favor of Christianity. He earned degrees in accounting and theology and worked at a ministry in Baltimore. In 1996, he and his wife Riva moved to Orlando, where they founded the New Destiny Christian Center.
At the ministry’s first service, six people gathered in a hotel room, according to the ministry’s website. In 1999, they purchased a church and later acquired more property, dubbing the 21-acre location “City of Destiny.”
In due time, Tims and his wife were living the champagne and caviar life of millionaires. Unlike other megachurch preachers who lined their own pockets with cash, the Tims lavished cars and other benefits on church members.
But it wasn’t long before Tims’ old demons came back to haunt him.
In 2009, after 15 years of marriage, he and his wife Riva divorced after he admitted to having an affair with a stripper.
Riva Tims went on to establish Majestic Life Ministries in Orlando. They shared custody of their four children, including a son born with Cerebral Palsy.
As news of his death spread on Friday, others in the megachurch community reached out with condolences, including Paula White, and T.D. Jakes, who tweeted: “DEEPLY saddened to hear of the passing of Pastor Tims @ztims …praying for his family and church.”
Image: Orlando Sentinel
how sad…
I sure hope it wasn’t drugs he had on him … these church leaders have lots they have to deal with so sometimes they do fall short but him and his family and all church leader are continiously in my prayers … We all need to pray for them … this is so sad!
Lord bless him and his family and friend.. So many of us are delivered but are not walking in our deliverance.. Give us strength lord
Addictions are hard to break. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.
Stories like this is why I STAY OUT OF CHURCH! I do believe in GOD, but I find other ways to honor his blessings. I hope this is a WAKE UP call to all mega church ministers and other ministers hiding their dirty ways….STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE! I’m just sick of these ministers selling “hope” and taking $$$ from folks who really can’t afford it to bankroll their high life!….smdh…
This is so sad, may he rest in peace.:(
May God comfort his family and friends during this time
Thanking God for his new grace and mercies you just really never know. You also never know what one is going though either. As the real world saying goes “You think you know but you have no idea”
This chit sounds mad suspect…sounds like he was set-up by the mob or some chit….
I’ve been reading about this ever since it came out that he died and this is the FIRST time I’m hearing about drugs. Anyways r.i.p Pastor Tims.
thats sad redeemed gonna come drop some verses in here for sure
*zips lips*
n 2009, after 15 years of marriage, he and his wife Riva divorced after he admitted to having an affair with a stripper.
lil boys I guess…
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Well that’s better than
It’s a shame the guys dead, but I believe most of these mega-preachers are hypocrites, selling religion and salvation the same way Mickey D’s sells burgers. And people buy into it…as long as they don’t know what these dudes are really up to. Ignorance is AlWAYS BLISS.
chibytex says:
This chit sounds mad suspect…sounds like he was set-up by the mob or some chit….
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I was thinking it seemed suspect as well. Either way though, sad, sad story.
Oh wow! My dad was one of the Pastors they sent out from New Destiny Christian Center in Baltimore back in 96.
Sad! My dad used to be a heavy drinker and into drugs also. Thank God he never went back to those ways.
Supposedly “Drugs in an Envelope” SOUNDS Very SUSPECT To ME
They say what matters is not the day you are born nor the day you die but the things you do in between.
I don’t have an opinion on this story… my own wish is that when my assignment is up I be remembered for my good, bad, and ugly… We all have vices… I am just glad I missed the major ones such as drugs, gangs, murder, smoking ciggies… other than that I shall repent one of these days… at my funeral there shall be laughter and jokes and whitty things I have said. There will not be chicken… everything we do in the dark comes to light. Your demons may not match mine but we all have them.
Morn-ting folks…
they said it was being test for cocaine…what were the results?
i’m also wondering what the cause of death will be.
this don’t smell right
We all have demons. Some know theirs, face them and fight them; it is not always a winning battle. I do hope that his family ,friend and church family embrace his memories and they all are in my prayers.
THIS is why I dont get down with people always talking about “The Pastor says this, or the Pastor says that” SO Fukking what…The PASTOR is human just like the rest of us….
I remember being in high school and one of my teachers was a pastor and he used to flirt with us girls all the time…saying lil nasty chit and even cursing on occasion…of course the young kids thought that chit was cool, so he gained a HUGE following and now has one of the biggest churches in Dallas…He has team up with K104 and the Dallas Cowboys….all that…but I know deep down he still the same “pastor” that taught theater at my high school…my cousin told me he even used to try and get free feels when he used to “counsel” her about her kids when she was taking them to daycare at his church…
I dont put NO faith in man…ONLY God!!
And this is why its important to focus on your personal relationship with Cloud Daddy or whatever you believe in vs. investing your faith and money in a man who is just as capable of stumbling as you are.
@Dawn Sheen do you have a quote selected for your headstone? I want my ashes mixed w/cement and made into a nude garden statue (my body).
That’s sad
where is Redeemed?
@ DawnSheen,
ain’t nothin left to say after that!
chibytex says:
The PASTOR is human just like the rest of us….
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I try to tell my friends this about Obama.
Stories like this is why I STAY OUT OF CHURCH! I do believe in GOD, but I find other ways to honor his blessings. I hope this is a WAKE UP call to all mega church ministers and other ministers hiding their dirty ways….STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE!
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Cloud Daddy
Folks may hate on me for this but when I heard about this and saw his picture I already smelled something foul and for the life of me I think he was swinging both ways! And not because of Eddie either but because of what I see when I look in his eyes… And although he cleaned his act up who really knows how long he stayed clean
Let me START by saying RIP…
Then Imma follow UP with “He earned degrees in accounting and theology”….
Gotta be able to count and properly account the money from the flock huh?
I want my ashes mixed w/cement and made into a nude garden statue (my body).
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I like this idea I just initially to be cremated but I like the thought of a nude statue
That’s sad where is Redeemed?
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Signing up to take the online version of “Religion and Hip Hop” led by Professor Bun B down at Rice U…. like I suggested she do.
Choco the shirt and “there is something tart in my mouth” face doesn’t help either.
Karma Offsetter: I’m sure that his testimony had a positive impact on many lives, and I hope that the spiritual foundation laid was/is strong enough to offset any doubts many members of this church will likely have about their religious walk after this. Blessings to them all.
*does 6 hail mary’s*
Yes that damn shirt what is with them wearing tight azz shirts he look so sweet to me – IDKY I don’t have much remorse for him I think mainly becuz I hate a wolf in sheeps clothing
@ BigCityGirl says:
Stories like this is why I STAY OUT OF CHURCH!
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Hey ma! My hubby says the same thing… I try to tell him that YES these pastors are human like the rest of us BUT also remember that the church is a place of fellowship. You go to church to praise The Lord with your fellow brothers and sisters and to hear his word. YES these sinful preachers need to be called out BUT we are also not to let them stop us from serving God. My hubby believes that there is no need to go to the church-house… I beg to differ! But when you hear of things like this it makes it harder to get him to understand my point. I DO NOT do the MEGA churches though… TOO MUCH for me!
sidenote: Just a friendly comment not trying to preach or offend
laterthannever says:
@Dawn Sheen do you have a quote selected for your headstone?
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“She took pride in all that she did, she enjoyed being a mother, she enjoyed life, love, laughter and tequila” “Jesus is on the main line, he is also a fence… she got into heaven on a buddy pass. She died with all her original teeth.”
she got into heaven on a buddy pass.
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Who you going with? Redeemed? What buddy?
No one is perfect, not even pastors. We can’t expect them to always do everything right all the time. They’re only human.
Pastors are here to teach. They are not here to be perfect and they don’t know everything. It’s important for you to have control of your own spirituality and have your own personal relationship with God.
“YES these pastors are human like the rest of us BUT also remember that the church is a place of fellowship. You go to church to praise The Lord with your fellow brothers and sisters and to hear his word. YES these sinful preachers need to be called out BUT we are also not to let them stop us from serving God.
KDub says:
she got into heaven on a buddy pass.
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Who you going with? Redeemed? What buddy?
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Airtran… I’m getting in via Standby playa
Oh my…I head about his death from a friend but she didn’t give me the details probably because she & her husband are/were memebers of his church.
My brother is a Pastor (co-pastor at a small church) and I tell you the stories he has shared with me are CRAZY. One in particular, when he was just a minister at his old church (a mega church in Jacksonville) and two deacons got to fighting in a deacon board meeting because they both were sleeping with the receptionist. One was a older Deacon and the other younger. The older Deacon was paying the rent, paying for her son to go to the private school and whatnot. But that younger one was probably putting it down in the bedroom. They tore up the boardroom one Saturday morning because the older deacon found a text the younger sent to the receptionist. Both were married too.
There’s tons of stuff going on in the church. I pray Pastor Tims wasn’t involved in drugs but it wouldn’t surprise me.
YES these pastors are human like the rest of us BUT also remember that the church is a place of fellowship. You go to church to praise The Lord with your fellow brothers and sisters and to hear his word. YES these sinful preachers need to be called out BUT we are also not to let them stop us from serving God
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I dont let them stop me from praising God and I do believe God uses certain people to get his message across…but its when the congregation acts like the Pastor is the second coming of Jesus that irks me….Its like the Pastor’s flesh is made of something different than what everybody elses flesh is made of…his dikk gets hard too…and not JUST for his wife…
My cousin who is a pastor was seen at the strip club, by my other cousin who WORKS there…I asked her did she leave when she saw him, she said, hell naw, he the one NOT suppose to be there NOT me…I died laughing, but she does have a point….
The pastor of my church is fione as hell, now I know I aint the only woman in the congregation that thinks so….I’m sure single women be throwing the ass at him left and right…and I will almost bet my rent money that he done tapped a few….this however does not take away from the fact that he is a good preacher…it just makes him human…
to quote the late great Pimp C
Everybody sitting in the pulpit ain’t saved. Most preachers are false prophets fuxing hoes and getting paid
Ever heard of the saying ‘One bad apple destroys the bunch’ …. it’s sad how 1 preacher may or may not have done drugs and now all preachers are bad … or that’s why people don’t go to church … trust me, we all need guidance, regardless of our religion, and the fact is the majority of us can’t find it on our own.
Don’t let stories in the media turn you against preachers, or deacons, or mega churches … just because your cousin was a pastor and was a bad man doesn’t mean the majority of deacons, pastors, reverends, etc, are.
Search within yourself with an open heart and seek the RIGHT guidance and you will find your way.
Praise the Lord!!
He is flushing out ALL these false prophets one-by-one!
creflo, you up next…
and if that eddie long dont repent, he will be next
best believe it.
Preach the TRUTH, not lies.
Everything in the OLD & NEW testament still stands whether it’s harsh or not.
This picture of him even screams FALSE PROPHET.
This is the judgement for him…death because he refused to speak God’s TRUTH in exchange for money.
creflo, you up next…
and if that eddie long dont repent, he will be next
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Eddie Long has already been flushed down the toilet!!!!
Sad and I feel for his family, I’m sure he was the Black Jesus of the family. He fought the good fight. On the other note, cocaine is bad in itself but it’s damn near suicidal after 40.
Oh yall gon learn..
@ Redeemed… I would love to pick your brain. Can I get an email addy or I can give u mine? Its not SR friendly
Not trying to be friends or anything….
Listen to the WORDS of the Almighty:
They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Jeremiah 6:14
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:3
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
Ezekiel 14:9
Tims loved to recount the story of how he was “miraculously saved” and aspired to be a man of God, leading his flock to prosperity and riches.
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SMH, I see we call anything a man og GOD, he said woe to them that call evil good and good evil……When will folks ever learned… it’s so not that hard folks pray for discernment really…MAN OF GOD, Really.
@Ty
don’t do it 
lol
Choco aka Hippie says: Yes that damn shirt what is with them wearing tight azz shirts he look so sweet to me – IDKY I don’t have much remorse for him I think mainly becuz I hate a wolf in sheeps clothing
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He reminded me of one of Eddie Long’s accusors-was his name Jamal?
Well ya’ll asked for Redeemed and see what ya’ll get.
Mamacita says:
No one is perfect, not even pastors. We can’t expect them to always do everything right all the time. They’re only human.
Pastors are here to teach. They are not here to be perfect and they don’t know everything. It’s important for you to have control of your own spirituality and have your own personal relationship with God.
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Not Biblical AT ALL sorry Love…
I feel for those kids, I really do.
Redeemed777 says:
Praise the Lord!!
He is flushing out ALL these false prophets one-by-one!
creflo, you up next…
and if that eddie long dont repent, he will be next
best believe it.
Preach the TRUTH, not lies.
Everything in the OLD & NEW testament still stands whether it’s harsh or not
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AMEN AMEN AMEN, AMEN AMEN….folks gon learn huh? now I ageree with all that.
These false prophets tell you that the Bible and the Lord Christ Jesus is ONLY about LOVE:
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christ says He comes in the volume of the book: Hebrews 10:7
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING, BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT
Which also means, YOU STILL MUST OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS REGARDLESS OF GRACE.
Please read and meditate on these:
Romans 6:1
Ecclesiastes 12:13
John 14:15
John 14:21
John 15:10
chibytex says:
Eddie Long has already been flushed down the toilet!!!!
I think Redeemed meant that Eddie won’t be among the living much longer, and I wouldn’t doubt it because I am sure his ego has been deflated since the fact that he was dabbling with a tranny surfaced and his money is funny because his church membership is dwindling which means he can’t afford his steroids/bodybuilding supplements any more.
Hello All. I don’t believe God created 2 billion Chinese folks to send them all to hell. I just don’t. IMO, for what it’s worth, my 2cents worth. Peace.
AND YOU CREFLO: YEAH I’M TALKING TO YOU,
REPENT OF YOUR EVIL WAYS.
I ALREADY WARNED YOU RIGHT BEFORE EDDIE LONG WAS EXPOSED.
DONT THINK YOU WON’T BE EXPOSED. THE LORD WILL EXPOSE THOSE SATANIC RITUALS YOU AND YOUR WIFE ENGAGE IN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
OH YEAH DON’T THINK I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU.
My prayers for this man’s family and loved ones… regardless of the circumstances of this man’s untimely death.
Redeemed777 says:
These false prophets tell you that the Bible and the Lord Christ Jesus is ONLY about LOVE:
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dont it just irritate you when folks say GOD is just about love, and as soon as you show them their sin they say what GOd are you talking about my GOD is about LOVE, yet the Bible talks about how he destroyed many Including Children, Like bastards kids born out of wedlock, when folks think that all babies go to heaven sorry folks GODS hate fornicuatr, liars, adultrys.. I’m just saying I didnt write not one book …
@Creamychic
Oh we gon learn to obey God’s TRUTH. We will understand what it means to FEAR GOD
Changing the subject but still relevant, ever hear of the Churches of Lalibela? (Check it out on Wikipedia.com) The small town of Lalibela in Ethiopia is home to one of the world’s most astounding sacred sites: eleven rock-hewn churches, each carved entirely out of a single block of granite with its roof at ground level. They say the angels came down each night and helped them build it, in Ethiopia, in Africa! Angels, perhaps aliens? I’m just saying. Read the first part of Genesis, how the ‘sons of gods’ found the women fair and mated with them, then God destroyed the earth. Who were these ‘sons of gods’, aliens? So much we don’t know, so much we need to learn. Peace.
@PAHairston
Don’t lean on your emotions PA. The Lord does what ever He wills:
” As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.”
Deuteronomy 8:20
@PAHairston
Those ” sons of God ” were the fallen angels.
They had no business mating with the humans….they disobeyed God, and are an abomination waiting for their final judgement of eternal torture and damnation.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:6
@Creamy Chiiiile I’m not even going to go there there with you but ok. If you say so
Ignorance is bliss.
They had no business mating with the humans….they disobeyed God, and are an abomination waiting for their final judgement of eternal torture and damnation.
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Did their offspring have wings or something? Why couldnt they mate? If they were casted down here in HUMAN form, wouldnt that make them human therefore have to the same NEEDS as the rest of us?
@ Mama….
@chibytex
Jude 1:6 sister Jude 1:6
Oh yeeeeah I forgot about ol false prophet TD Jakes…
The Lord is gonna keep you alive, because He wants you to live to a very old age before He punishes you.
WOW @ ALL THE COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven’t been to church in a while. The last church I attended the Pastor was asking for money and then I see one of his faithful members with a broken window. My thing is do something for your members and the community, not just your blood families.
Before this is all over a lot more spiritual advisors, pastors, evangelists etc gone come tumbling down.
Redeemed777 says:
Oh yeeeeah I forgot about ol false prophet TD Jakes…
The Lord is gonna keep you alive, because He wants you to live to a very old age before He punishes you.
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I actually like TD Jakes. He seems more genuine than most. But I am human could be wrong.
*unzips lips* As for me and my house we will serve the Lord that being said I need a husband who attends church w/me I want our kids to see us attending church together as a family. I also agree its abt a personal relationship w/GOD and knowing him for yourself but I believe in corporate worship. I have quoted my Pastor before but I also disgaree w/her at times as well. Folks quote rappers/mamas/daddies/celebs/gmas etc but act like its a crime to quote a Pastor. We are all sinners and will continue to fall short and sin but I am glad to be a sinner saved by grace and I know I pick up my cross daily and press towards the mark *zips lips again*
Mamacita says:
@Creamy Chiiiile I’m not even going to go there there with you but ok. If you say so
Ignorance is bliss.
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Ignorance can’t be Bliss so which one is it , no shade sista it’s all love
An envelope with a white substance in it…VERY suspect…This totally reminds me of the Dave Chapelle stand up where he was talking about cops sprinkling crack on black men in order for them to look super suspect after they shot them dead and un-armed…The question is, was it in his syatem?
@Creamy It’s just a saying. Never heard it before? Look it up. No shade here either but since I’m bored what exactly did you mean in 54?
People should read all 66 of the books in the bible themselves and not allow anyone to interpret the bible for them. Many people take what their pastors say as the gospel.
My prayers go out to his family left behind to face such a tragedy. God bless them.
I believe, in order to accurately interpret the Bible, we should take into consideration the time it was written, to whom it was written, and the original language it which it was written.
That is all.
First off…R.I.P.
Creamychick and redeemed are holy rollin basket cases. If you know so much and want people to know the truth…this is not the forum..start your own blog and preach all you want. You redeemed are seriouslty blowing my high with your humans be damned for your forming your own opinion rhetoric and creamychick you get on my damn nerves for co-signing everydamn thing redeemed says.
now I gotta roll up..again.:blunt:
…NC STAND UP!
Mamacita says:
@Creamy It’s just a saying. Never heard it before? Look it up. No shade here either but since I’m bored what exactly did you mean in 54?
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According to the bible, A bishop(elder, pastor) must be blameless,(the husband of one wife) he cannot have fault if he call himself a bishop, the bible is very clear on that,the book of “Timothy” that is all i was saying so when we say, i use to say it to, that we all fall down, but according to the bible GOD is able to keep you from falling, so when a man takes on the title on a bishop he has now become blameless, and in no way he should have any blame, when he and his wife diveorced, he was not to preach the gospel because he is not qualified, anymore, he cheated on his wife he is unclean, and GOD said he gonna double the sword on these False Teachers making a mockery of GOD Words
rnbjunkie73 says:
First off…R.I.P.
Creamychick and redeemed are holy rollin basket cases. If you know so much and want people to know the truth…this is not the forum..start your own blog and preach all you want. You redeemed are seriouslty blowing my high with your humans be damned for your forming your own opinion rhetoric and creamychick you get on my damn nerves for co-signing everydamn thing redeemed says.
now I gotta roll up..again.:blunt:
…NC STAND UP!
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Well do you then a Sista ain’t mad at you,But on co-signing with Redeemed If it is written I can co-sign just like you read Mr. president took a trip to United nation, can you co -sigh with that sure you can you can prove it… it’s all love, and i am not here to preach to you about anything I just say what is written, As i said b4 i didnt wrtie so you argument aint with me, take it up with the man up above.. move ya much tho
@Creamy Well the bible also says we ALL sin and fall short of the glory. “All” is all inclusive. Meaning everyone. I don’t think pastor/bishops/men of God are exempt from making mistakes. God’s grace and mercy endureth FOREVER. The only perfect Man that walked the earth left a LONG time ago.
Some of them have good intentions but they are still human and we all succumb to the flesh at some point in our life. All I’m saying is that a pastor’s faults are not your faults. Don’t concern yourself too much on what they’re doing or not doing. Focus on what you’re doing and what you should or shouldn’t be doing. Focus on your relationship with God.
According to the bible, A bishop(elder, pastor) must be blameless,(the husband of one wife) he cannot have fault if he call himself a bishop, the bible is very clear on that,the book of “Timothy” that is all i was saying so when we say, i use to say it to, that we all fall down, but according to the bible GOD is able to keep you from falling, so when a man takes on the title on a bishop he has now become blameless, and in no way he should have any blame, when he and his wife diveorced, he was not to preach the gospel because he is not qualified, anymore, he cheated on his wife he is unclean, and GOD said he gonna double the sword on these False Teachers making a mockery of GOD Words
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I had to post it again, because God’s people are knuckleheads that don’t want to hear what the WORD is saying!!!!!
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:3
@Mamacita
Trust and believe that God has those who are following His commandments.
Trust that there are righteous people walking in Christ ways right now!
Don’t assume that NO ONE is walking righteous. Even the Old testament had righteous men walking in those days: Elijah comes to mind.
Do you know that this man was carried off to Heaven by a chariot of fire?????
That’s RIGHTEOUSNESS for your a** !!!!!!
@Reedeemed Yeah ok. I have yet to meet a perfect person so when you find one let me know.
I never said NO ONE was righteous BUT we do ALL make mistakes at some point.
Mamacita says:
@Creamy Well the bible also says we ALL sin and fall short of the glory. “All” is all inclusive. Meaning everyone. I don’t think pastor/bishops/men of God are exempt from making mistakes. God’s grace and mercy endureth FOREVER. The only perfect Man that walked the earth left a LONG time ago.
Some of them have good intentions but they are still human and we all succumb to the flesh at some point in our life. All I’m saying is that a pastor’s faults are not your faults. Don’t concern yourself too much on what they’re doing or not doing. Focus on what you’re doing and what you should or shouldn’t be doing. Focus on your relationship with God.
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I understnad your argument, but I cant make the book say something else, it is clearly writeen about how and bishop /elder must carry themselves, that’s the book, yea i know it’s hard to beleive that it is some men that are really true the book, but he would have told us os if it was not, Yes God is love but he also hate somethings, and one is a proud look, he hate liars, GOD is LOVE but he can detroy whom he please..we as people just have to be careful what we call good and what is evil, but i feel ya. much love, Redeemed take it from here.
@chibytex I’m with you on that one! If it’s your own hotel why in the hell would you have any substance in an envelope in your pocket??? I hope they check the camera in the hotel because that don’t look to me as an over dose.
The problem with alot of people is that they go to church to worship the Pastor and not God. We are suppose to attend church to fellowship with other believers and worship God NOT man. I can’t stand to hear people say, oh, “I don’t got to church cause of the pastor or this or that.” You shouldn’t be going to church for anybody but God & Yourself! Pastors are human beings just like us and have their battles against sin, just as we do. I want to see, on judgement day, if folks gonna tell God “well I didn’t do this and that cause the pastor was a hypocrite and blah blah blah.” Last time I checked, we all have to answer for our OWN sins and deeds so we need not be worrying about the next man unless we are trying to offer a word of encouragement to get them on the right track!
*Deuces*
Oh and to the topic at hand…R.I.P to him & I hope he was able to make things right with his maker.
@SnootyPooty says:
People should read all 66 of the books in the bible themselves and not allow anyone to interpret the bible for them. Many people take what their pastors say as the gospel.
I totally agree our society has grown dependent upon instant gratification and most of us claim to not have enough time for God. We rush to the clubs,work, card games, etc but forget the God should come first, family and friends second and everything else will follow. We were created to praise and worship the almighty,all he ask in return is for us to be obedient to his word and trust in him. The Bible is the Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth…we read work related literature and fiction novels about the dope game, but most refuse to pick up the Bible to gain an understanding of his word for ourselves and solely rely on our pastors for guidance and instruction. I live in Orlando…I’ve seen the massive billboards of the late pastor and his family…heard rumors about how various members reacted to his infidelity…some negative and some positive. Yes he is a Man before he is a Man of God, but once you accept the calling then it becomes your duty to keep your ways aligned with the word of God. I believe that God is a forgiving God, but he is also a jealous God and says that you cant serve both him and Satan. Paul says in the book Corinthians that the church should not stray form the structure that Jesus has designed.It also explains that it is the Pastors duty to remove those with wicked ways from the positions they hold in the church…so why would a Pastor be an exception. It is my understanding that God holds a special place in hell for those that preach false doctrine…I just hope and pray the Pastor had the opportunity to make things right with the Lord before his time expired.
sad
This story is too sad to even get into the right and wrong/morals of it all… the bottom line is there are 4 children without a father who will have to deal with the speculations/rumors/gossip about the way their father died, a woman who now has to raise her kids on her own, including one who is disabled, church members who not only lost their pastor but now have to be ridiculed by the anti church folk, family who lost someone they loved, and a relatively young man who lost his life. Why can’t some people just say RIP and move on? It’s one thing when scandals hit to go in like almost all of us did with the Eddie Long thing, that man is alive, scandalized and publicly ruined or not, he lives to see another day, his children have their father, this is different. Not only is nothing proven but drug/alcohol addiction is a life long affliction, some make it over and through, other’s succumb in one way or another, but a life is still lost and that life deserves respect regardless. Even if you can’t do it for the person do it for the people who have to live without their loved one ESPECIALLY when their are children involved. I guess some of yall never learned not to speak ill of the dead smdh
RIP and I’m
ing for the family, especially the children, that’s a hard loss to take no matter how or why it happens
their = there (sorry it’s late and I’m tired)
@Taboo01..
I agree with you totally with an exception of the Hell part. People are being mislead because they don’t educated themselves and place the responsibility in others hands.
Most people own a bible and if you read 10 chapters a night you can finish the Bible in a year.
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It’s not about reading the whole Bible ( even though that is a good thing ), it’s about the understanding of it…
There is NO VERSE, no not one, that supports us being comfortable NOT MENTIONING HELL FIRE. ( All you Joel Osteen fans take note )
As Love, birth, heaven, and, death are real so is hell also.
@SnootyPooty
From my studies it is my understanding that when individuals accept the calling and then stray away and dont have an opportunity to make things right before their demise…their punishment in hell is far more extreme.