Obama Extends Hospital Visitation Rights to Gay Partners
According to the Washington Post:
President Obama mandated Thursday that nearly all hospitals extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them, perhaps the most significant step so far in his efforts to expand the rights of gay Americans.
While Obama is making a good faith attempt to appease gays, this order could backfire badly.
In 1987, while still a nursing student, I took a part time position working in the intensive care unit of a Miami area hospital. A patient in her early 30s had just been brought into the ICU in a coma after suffering a seizure as result of a post-partum hemorrhage. She had just given birth to a baby girl and during childbirth she lost a tremendous amount of blood — too much blood loss to sustain life.
Normally, in a case like this, the doctor would order blood transfusions and the patient would be fine. But this patient and her husband were Jehovah’s witnesses, and the husband made it clear that he did not want the doctors giving his wife the life saving blood transfusions.
Of course we pleaded with the husband to change his mind, to no avail. Because he was her husband, he had every right by law to give her a death sentence. So we had to watch this beautiful young sistah — who had just given birth to a healthy baby girl — die slowly in front of our eyes while her husband walked around the unit with a smirk on his face.
I look back on this sad incident because now Obama is extending that same right to the partners of gay patients who are not married. So theoretically, If you’re gay, you could meet someone next week, and one week later if you’re involved in a car accident that leaves you incapacitated and in a coma, your “partner” of one week could pull the plug on you.
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I thought that would make you happy. Aren’t you a lesbian?
he just can’t win with you huh sandra? no matter what he does or how significant.. you are determined to see the negative in it.
Thanks to our President. His and hers matching ropes?
Sandra how is it Amber has been known for a couple of yrs now but this is the first time I have seen a pic of her w/hair? That took some research, is she now a bigger crush to you?
Why does anyone care who sees who in the hospital?
Now, maybe I’m a little slow today due to my lack of sleep, but what does a man’s decision NOT to allow doctors to give his wife a blood transfusion because of their religious beliefs have to do with Obama extending hospital visitation rights to Gay partners…
Oh don’t worry, I’ll wait.
I’m dying laughing right now @ the Amber Rose pics which have NOTHING to do with the post. lolololol
Well she was a Jehovah’s witness and if they dont believe in blood transfusions, it really didnt matter what the husband had to say. :Shrug:
From the article, “The new rules will not apply only to gays. They also will affect widows and widowers who have been unable to receive visits from a friend or companion. And they would allow members of some religious orders to designate someone other than a family member to make medical decisions.”
When I saw the second pic all I saw was forehead, thought it was Rihanna….
That is ridiculous what you are insinuating Sandra, I’m sure you must have a living will or some kind of paperwork in order before a “partner” of any time length can pull the plug on you. If your not married I thought the decision to keep you on life support or not was up to the next of kin, like ya mom,dad,sibling,cousin, aunt, some family member, not a “partner”
EricaDenese Says:
Now, maybe I’m a little slow today due to my lack of sleep, but what does a man’s decision NOT to allow doctors to give his wife a blood transfusion because of their religious beliefs have to do with Obama extending hospital visitation rights to Gay partners…
Oh don’t worry, I’ll wait.
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Her arms have got to be hurting because she is really reaching here.
@SANDRA
“So we had to watch this beautiful young sistah — who had just given birth to a healthy baby girl — die slowly in front of our eyes while her husband walked around the unit with a smirk</b. on his face.”
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Um… the “smirk” part doesn’t even sound believable. In fact, the whole thing doesn’t sound real.
WTFlocka does Amber Rose and her dudegirl have to do with an Obama post?
I get what you’re saying Sandra and even the point that you’re trying to make. I hear ya, not sure how I feel about this one.
And the story is sad but what does that have to do with hospital visitation for gays….That is her sicko husband..again…
gypsyeyes Says:
EricaDenese Says:
Now, maybe I’m a little slow today due to my lack of sleep, but what does a man’s decision NOT to allow doctors to give his wife a blood transfusion because of their religious beliefs have to do with Obama extending hospital visitation rights to Gay partners…
Oh don’t worry, I’ll wait.
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Her arms have got to be hurting because she is really reaching here.
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She’s worse than Sarah Palin and the whole “death panel” thing when the healthcare bill was being worked on. Straight Tom-Foolery.
gypsyeyes Says:
EricaDenese Says:
Now, maybe I’m a little slow today due to my lack of sleep, but what does a man’s decision NOT to allow doctors to give his wife a blood transfusion because of their religious beliefs have to do with Obama extending hospital visitation rights to Gay partners…
Oh don’t worry, I’ll wait.
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Her arms have got to be hurting because she is really reaching here.
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Amber looks better with hair. Those girlfriends are unattractive.
So why include pics of Amber Rose and girl/boyfriend??
And I don’t understand why women like other women who dress and act like men…just get the real thing
Sandra you make me want to vomit on YOU! Just like Tiny doesn’t have any legal ground to stand on to make any medical decisions for TIP, some new bed buddy will not have the legal grounds to make decisions. You’re acting like a real heffa right now.
I don’t know anyone who would want someone they love to die. So, I would choose to believe differently about the Miami situation. I’m sure that man wanted his wife to live and opted for any alternative treatment modality. Ask any doctor today, they don’t even want blood transfusions for themselves or their families.
HEY!! @missy…where you been??
OMG this “true life” account sounds so fake! LOL come on, Sandra; you’re beyond reaching.
I’m pretty sure it takes more than dating someone for a week for them to be able to make life and death decisions about a life.
Stop spreading propoganda! Do your damn research!
CivilEngineer Says:
So why include pics of Amber Rose and girl/boyfriend??
And I don’t understand why women like other women who dress and act like men…just get the real thing
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groupies be given right to visit their married partners in the hospital too!
that should be next.
CivilEngineer Says:
So why include pics of Amber Rose and girl/boyfriend??
And I don’t understand why women like other women who dress and act like men…just get the real thing
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I agree ….every time I see a butch I cross my legs..and run(I know they don’t all want me)…I don’t know why people want the fake thing…
But that is my view on it I don’t get it..
Im confused about the pics cuz I dont get how they relate to the article. Sandra can explain plz?
@Civil- I have been in school trying to get my education the Rhino just picked up and left me I can’t be a trophy wife anymore….. So I got to get my education…
@KRYSI
“groupies be given right to visit their married partners in the hospital too! that should be next.”
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I hope Obama gets right on that!
Did anyone see this in my post –> “…extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them…”
I put that part in bold because it should be clear that gay partners can now make the same decision that your husband or wife can make.
Sandra you a mess for those pics.
I still don’t see the problem Sandra.
pyt305 Says:
Im confused about the pics cuz I dont get how they relate to the article. Sandra can explain plz?
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The pics were used to illustrate the story because it’s about gay people.
now sandra you know it doesn’t happen that easy…they will still need an advance directive signed. Someone that you’ve known for a week can not make those decisions for you. Stop spreading lies chile….
Sorry Sandra but you are waaayyyy off base
This was meant to allow gay partners to see their very sick loved ones when presently they are denied access due to not being family members.
The SAME happens to friends who can not see very sick loved ones because they are not family. When my grandmother was in ICU friends of hers had to lie and say they were “step-sisters’ just to come to her bedside and say goodbye. ONLY family was allowed in and could make decision.
Next of kin, usually a sibling or parent if the person is not married, have the final say of who can do what.
Comparing the two incidents you wrote about is comparing apples or oranges
President Obama mandated Thursday that nearly all hospitals extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them
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Sandra, here you go reaching again. The above statement clearly says “respect patients’ choices”. Obviously, patients would have the choice to decide if they want to add Tom, Dick or Harry to their paperwork to make decisions for them. It won’t just be someone they met last week, barging into the hospital and pulling the plug. No more than someone a straight person went out on a date with last week, would be allowed to make medical decisions for them the next.
Dang, I thought you’d be ready to turn cartwheels over this one.
pinky2083 Says:
I still don’t see the problem Sandra.
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The problem is there is no criteria to describe who is a gay partner since they are not married. So therefore, if you’re a lesbian in a coma, your girlfriend of one week can make life saving decisions for you instead of your family. I don’t see why this is difficult for some of you to understand.
missy Says:
I agree ….every time I see a butch I cross my legs..and run(I know they don’t all want me)…I don’t know why people want the fake thing… But that is my view on it I don’t get it..
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My neighbors are gay. One is a “stud” or butch, and her whole crew is like that. Sometimes there are 6-7 of them sittin on the porch, but my boo dont like me to be out there when they are.
This will only allow them to come visit them. Since they are not legally married I am quite certain that blood relatives still have the final say over what happens to you.
I hope Obama gets right on that!
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Oh I’m sure he will.
Ok Sandra, this is about hospital visitation though.
Sandra Rose Says:
The problem is there is no criteria to describe who is a gay partner since they are not married. So therefore, if you’re a lesbian in a coma, your girlfriend of one week can make life saving decisions for you instead of your family. I don’t see why this is difficult for some of you to understand
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What idiot in their right mind, or their family for that matter, would let their BF/GF of ONE DAMN WEEK make their medical decisions for them?
Sandra do you have freeze curls in your hair now? I just saw this new pic
I understand what you’re trying to get at Sandra, but it’s coming off as a extremely desperate attempt to make something out of nothing. This only has to do with visitation, not someone making medical decisions for their life partner/GF/BF.
The Divine Ms. K Says:
Sandra, here you go reaching again. The above statement clearly says “respect patients’ choices”. Obviously, patients would have the choice to decide if they want to add Tom, Dick or Harry to their paperwork to make decisions for them.
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And what about the patients who are in a COMA??? Those patients cannot make any decisions! I gave you an example of what happened to a patient when I was in nursing school. This was a classic case and anyone can do their research if you don’t believe it happened. The hospital’s attorneys went to court to force the husband to allow the blood transfusions and he refused. She died 2 days later.
FloridaChick813 Says:
My neighbors are gay. One is a “stud” or butch, and her whole crew is like that. Sometimes there are 6-7 of them sittin on the porch, but my boo dont like me to be out there when they are.
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EricaDenese Says:
This only has to do with visitation, not someone making medical decisions for their life partner/GF/BF.
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Please read this part again –> “and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them.”
@SANDRA
“President Obama mandated Thursday that nearly all hospitals extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them”
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“The problem is there is
no criteriato describe who is a gay partner since they are not married. So therefore, if you’re a lesbian in a coma, your girlfriend of one week can make life saving decisions for you instead of your family. I don’t see why this is difficult for some of you to understand.”_______________________________________________________________
“Respect patients choices” is the key in this Sandra. If a lesbian is in a coma, then she has NOT given her “choice” to the hosipital staff of who can make critical life decisions. Therefore they would have to rely on the next of kin.
**sounds like you may have some trust issues in your relationship! Gotta watch out for them gold diggers, I know they be lookin good tho!**
CivilEngineer Says:
So why include pics of Amber Rose and girl/boyfriend??
And I don’t understand why women like other women who dress and act like men…just get the real thing
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I TOTALLY AGREE…WHY NOT JUST DATE A MAN
AND I REALLY DONT THINK THAT YOUR BOYFRIEND/GIRL TAKES PRECIDENT OVER NO ONE IN YOUR FAMILY…ESPECIALLY SOMEONE U JUST MEET COME ON NOW SANDRA…THAT MUST APPLY TO THE STATES THAT SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.
Sandra Rose Says:
The Divine Ms. K Says:
Sandra, here you go reaching again. The above statement clearly says “respect patients’ choices”. Obviously, patients would have the choice to decide if they want to add Tom, Dick or Harry to their paperwork to make decisions for them.
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And what about the patients who are in a COMA??? Those patients cannot make any decisions! I gave you an example of what happened to a patient when I was in nursing school. This was a classic case and anyone can do their research if you don’t believe it happened. The hospital’s attorneys went to court to force the husband to allow the blood transfusions and he refused. She died 2 days later
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That example was between a husband and a wife. A husband/wife automatically has a say in what goes on when their spouses’ life is on the line.
Sandra Rose Says:
The problem is there is no criteria to describe who is a gay partner since they are not married. So therefore, if you’re a lesbian in a coma, your girlfriend of one week can make life saving decisions for you instead of your family. I don’t see why this is difficult for some of you to understand.
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So, if you’re straight and not married – what’s the criteria then? I mean, if this were truly a big concern and deal, we would have heard about this already from those who are dating or in long-term relationships with someone who they weren’t allowed to visit in a hospital.
I haven’t heard anything about that issue perplexing hospitals, so again – failing to get your point/pictures on this post. This is all such a sad stretch.
Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
“Respect patients choices” is the key in this Sandra. If a lesbian is in a coma, then she has NOT given her “choice” to the hosipital staff of who can make critical life decisions. Therefore they would have to rely on the next of kin.
**sounds like you may have some trust issues in your relationship! Gotta watch out for them gold diggers, I know they be lookin good tho!**
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now sandra you know it doesn’t happen that easy…they will still need an advance directive signed. Someone that you’ve known for a week can not make those decisions for you. Stop spreading lies chile….
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EricaDenese Says:
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What idiot in their right mind, or their family for that matter, would let their BF/GF of ONE DAMN WEEK make their medical decisions for them?
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That idiot would be Obama since he is now ordering hospitals to respect the rights of gay partners just as if they were married. Hopefully you know that if you’re married your husband can make life or death decisions for you vour the objections of your parents?
LuvMySailor Says:
This will only allow them to come visit them. Since they are not legally married I am quite certain that blood relatives still have the final say over what happens to you.
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thank you…and this, “and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them”, means that doctors will have to respect if a patient decides to give a partner say-so over their health issues if they aren’t able to make them…such as no blood transfusions.
Sandra you were talking about visitation and then you told the story about how the spouse can make a decision on your life and then the amber rose pics(yeah its a illustraion but it take away from the post)… its not connecting…
SANDRA THIS IS REALLY DISJOINTED..i UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT YOU ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE…
missy Says:
FloridaChick813 Says:
My neighbors are gay. One is a “stud” or butch, and her whole crew is like that. Sometimes there are 6-7 of them sittin on the porch, but my boo dont like me to be out there when they are.
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Girl I can understand why he doesn’t want you to be out there……I have a cousin who is a butch but she don’t scare me….She is a punk butch.. lol
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rysi J Says:
now sandra you know it doesn’t happen that easy…they will still need an advance directive signed. Someone that you’ve known for a week can not make those decisions for you. Stop spreading lies chile….
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Obama’s order mentions nothing about advanced directives. His order gives gay partners the same rights as married partners. Advance directives/living wills are usually signed AFTER the patient is hospitalized. What if that patient is in a coma? Guess who can sign it then? That’s right, your gay partner of one week!
…furthermore…this doesn’t JUST apply to gays. It applies to everyone.
If you aren’t married (and NOT gay), it means you don’t HAVE to rely on your next of kin to make decisions. YOU can elect whoever YOU feel comfortable with.
Sometimes people may have been raised by an Uncle or an Aunt and would rather THAT person make a decision than their actual parent (for those not married).
This is basically a common sense rule that no one should waste their time questioning.
Again – if someone is in a coma, and they are lesbian or whatever and let’s say “Amber” shows up and says pull the plug – do you not think the person’s family would have some say-so in this?? The case is no different if the parties involved were straight and a boyfriend were trying to make decisions for a girl he just started dating.
If you are not married – gay or straight – you may not be allowed to make those decisions for someone who is in a coma. And since your “scenario” had to do with someone’s religious beliefs, I don’t know what grounds the hospital you worked for had to sue the husband. If this is a real case and it happened that way, I’m sure he’s protected by some type of law guarding his religious beliefs, whether you and the nursing staff found them morally wrong or not.
i was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and there are alternatives to the “NO Blood” decision.. in most cases they have a rep at the hospital who is well versed in alternatives and they will come and talk with you.Some of them are Witnesses’
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< i’m going back that way.
ms.truth Says:
thank you…and this, “and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them”, means that doctors will have to respect if a patient decides to give a partner say-so over their health issues if they aren’t able to make them…such as no blood transfusions.
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And what if that patient is in a coma and can’t say anything? The gay partner makes the decision because of this new order. Obama had better rethink this order.
Sandra Rose Says:
That idiot would be Obama since he is now ordering hospitals to respect the rights of gay partners just as if they were married. Hopefully you know that if you’re married your husband can make life or death decisions for you vour the objections of your parents?
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I’m sooooo confused
Aren’t you a lesbian? Is there any reason why you’re not respecting this decision? Or is it that you just refuse to support anything he does even if it benefits you. You seem like you have very conservative views, but you should now conservatives aren’t checking for you. You’re against everything most of them believe in (black, homosexual, woman)
SN: I walked through the tea party rally downtown yesterday leaving class, and I saw maybe 3 black people that I wanted to slap! There was nothing but white people out there that gave me death stares. I wasn’t about to back down, I gave them death stares right back.
@SANDRA
“Obama’s order mentions nothing about advanced directives. His order gives gay partners the same rights as married partners. Advance directives/living wills are usually signed AFTER the patient is hospitalized. What if that patient is in a coma? Guess who can sign it then? That’s right, your gay partner of one week!”
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If a lesbian is in a coma, and she has not given advanced medical decision authority to a particular person, then the decision goes back to the next of kin.
Same as it always has been, gay or straight.
If the person is in a coma, how would the hospital know if that’s their “partner”? The comatose person would not be able to verify their relationship status.
Umm Sandra, first off, you know a legal process has to be followed to recognize the partner as the person with power of attorney. I’m sure as a nurse you have seen or heard about a gay patient who was ostracized by his family because of his homosexuality … why am I bothering myself, I know you’re not this obtuse
m9ser1 Says:
i was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and there are alternatives to the “NO Blood” decision.. in most cases they have a rep at the hospital who is well versed in alternatives and they will come and talk with you.Some of them are Witnesses’
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We tried all the alternatives but there is no alternative to whole blood. She needed hemoglobin. The hospital went to court to force the transfusion because the woman was dying. But the judge refused to give the order. And her husband stood there smirking at us when we got that call from the court.
If you aren’t married (and NOT gay), it means you don’t HAVE to rely on your next of kin to make decisions. YOU can elect whoever YOU feel comfortable with.
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like those good looking gold diggers who keep you alive as long as possible to get rights to your life insurance policy.
Sandra Rose Says:
ms.truth Says:
thank you…and this, “and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them”, means that doctors will have to respect if a patient decides to give a partner say-so over their health issues if they aren’t able to make them…such as no blood transfusions.
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And what if that patient is in a coma and can’t say anything? The gay partner makes the decision because of this new order. Obama had better rethink this order.
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that’s why I said IF…if they didn’t give the partner the right to make this decision, I’m sure the decision will go to their parents under the ‘right-to-die’ laws that came about in the 1980s.
Sandra, why do you have to take one POSITIVE thing and turn it into a NEGATIVE??
Ok i believe that story, because i know Jehovah’s witnesses do not allow blood transfusions and i’ve heard of cases where people have died from it so ok like i said i believe you on that.
But exactly WHAT does that have to do with gays being able to visit their partners in the hospital????? Just because a MARRIED MAN chose to pull the plug for RELIGIOUS BELIEFS it doesn’t mean now everyone will plug the plug of a loved one!! Why can’t you take the story in as a step towards equality like everybody else instead of twisting it and saying “oh so any gay person that dates for a week can have the chance to pull the plug on a person”
ARE YOU SERIOUS???
KaraZ Says:
I’m sure as a nurse you have seen or heard about a gay patient who was ostracized by his family because of his homosexuality …
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That’s why Obama made this order so that gay partners would no longer be ostracized of homosexuality. Please read the link in my post. This order now gives gay partners the same rights as married people.
@Samdra,
It almost sounds like the husband was after some insurance money. Working in the health care field, I have seen things like this and it is very disturbing.
That’s all I have to say……….
ROFLMAO at Sandra. HA HA HA HA HA.
This isn’t even “stretching”…it’s just plain NOT TRUE. You have the RIGHT to determine who can come see you and Sandra goin in about people in comas and chit! LOL.
If you in a coma, not married, and have not designated anyone to make medical decisions, it goes to the next of kin.
Stop bullchittin us Sandra. Tryin to get extra “hits” and chit. I SEE YOU.
@CINDERELLA
“If the person is in a coma, how would the hospital know if that’s their “partner”? The comatose person would not be able to verify their relationship status.”
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That’s why it would go to the next of kin, the person that IS able to verify their relationship status…
@KRYSI J
“If you aren’t married (and NOT gay), it means you don’t HAVE to rely on your next of kin to make decisions. YOU can elect whoever YOU feel comfortable with.
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like those good looking gold diggers who keep you alive as long as possible to get rights to your life insurance policy.”"
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Yeah! Like them! You only live once. As long as the gold digger pays the premium, I ain’t mad.
Sandra Rose Says:
m9ser1 Says:
i was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and there are alternatives to the “NO Blood” decision.. in most cases they have a rep at the hospital who is well versed in alternatives and they will come and talk with you.Some of them are Witnesses’
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We tried all the alternatives but there is no alternative to whole blood. She needed hemoglobin. The hospital went to court to force the transfusion because the woman was dying. But the judge refused to give the order. And her husband stood there smirking at us when we got that call from the court.
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I grew up with a Jehovah’s witness family also. I doubt he was smirking. It’s usually a very hard decision for them to make, and a lot of people break during this time and end up leaving the organization.
Just for clarification, I’m not affiliated with that anymore. Thank God for my deliverance!
not going to comment on MOST of the story, but the part about the husband and wife could happen. the only time you sign something that specifically says things about blood transfusions is when you go in for surgery. since this was not the case it was up to her husband since she was incapacitated. given that they were jehovah’s witnesses her husband would not make the choice for her to have the transfusion. even if she was alert and they asked her, she would say no…my mother-in-law is a jehovah’s witness and walks around in pain right now b/c she cannot have back surgery without allowing for them to do a transfusion if something goes wrong.
ms.truth Says:
that’s why I said IF…if they didn’t give the partner the right to make this decision, I’m sure the decision will go to their parents under the ‘right-to-die’ laws that came about in the 1980s.
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LOL! I can’t believe that I have to keep repeating that Obama JUST gave the order giving gay partners the same rights as married people who have rights to make medical decisions on your behalf! This means a gay partner can make medical decisions on their partner’s behalf the same as your husband can make medical decisions over the objections of your family.
Would you like me to email you the proposed policy? You may need to read it some more….:yes:
Been waiting on a post to start my Friday and this is what you come with
@Sandra: If this ‘order’ gives gay partners the same rights as married people then does it also give the same rights to long term hetrosexual partners??
@CHASITY
” Sandra as a final semester nursing student we had to research all the new healthcare policies and you are so off on this one. This is just to allow VISITATION, not the right to make legal decisions about health. That right will only go to LEGAL spouses after that the next of kin. If a patient is in a coma you as a “nurse” should know the laws and regulations on decision making. I understand you dont like Obama but dont fill your reader’s head with the nonsense and lies”
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THANK YOU.
**and you lookin good by the way**
Sandra, the “mandate” does include advance directives. Patients will be able to designate any individual as a visitor.
i think sandra has a problem w/ spouses being able to make the decisions too…(jordan shrug)
Damn Sandy can twist a story like a chick working the block
@missy…he just left? Did he send Raphael in his place to protect you?? Shredder is always lurking
Why didn’t you post pictures of yourself and your partner in reference to this story?
Everyone is on their own wing…left , right , middle I mean we know what we were gone get when we finished reading this post Sandra is going to view things her way and we our way…..
pyt305 Says:
@Sandra: If this ‘order’ gives gay partners the same rights as married people then does it also give the same rights to long term hetrosexual partners??
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Thank you for asking that question: No it does not! That’s why Obama’s order is already being challenged because it does not extend the same rights to long term heterosexual couples, which is totally unfair.
Yeah! Like them! You only live once. As long as the gold digger pays the premium, I ain’t mad.
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pyt305 Says:
@Sandra: If this ‘order’ gives gay partners the same rights as married people then does it also give the same rights to long term hetrosexual partners??
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To further expand on your excellent question, if you have a boyfriend and you are hospitalized, your boyfriend can’t make medical decisions on your behalf. But if your hospital roommate is a lesbian, her partner can make medical decisions for her even though they are NOT married. Is that fair?
I’m still soooooo confused. Seems like a lesbian would be in support of this.
Anywho, I have an interview to do, talk to you peps later!
ms.truth Says:
I’m still soooooo confused. Seems like a lesbian would be in support of this.
Anywho, I have an interview to do, talk to you peps later!
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are you a recruiter? just wondering b/c i am interviewing someone right now…i’m a recruiter
@SANDRA
“LOL! I can’t believe that I have to keep repeating that Obama JUST gave the order giving gay partners the same rights as married people who have rights to make medical decisions on your behalf! This means a gay partner can make medical decisions on their partner’s behalf the same as your husband can make medical decisions over the objections of your family.”
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“Obama requested that the regulation should make clear that any hospital receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding, which mean the vast majority of U.S. hospitals, to allow patients to decide who can visit them and prohibit discrimination based on a variety of characteristics, including sexual orientation and gender identity.”
-Don’t see anything mentioning life and death decisions.
-Seems like the “patients decides”
-Doesn’t say families are overruled without documentation stating such
This is a bill right?
If yes, then it’ll be debated and tweaked until they find a working plan, which is the whole purpose of the legislative process…
ms.truth Says:
I’m still soooooo confused. Seems like a lesbian would be in support of this.
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I will be in full support as soon as Obama amends the order taking away a gay partner’s right to make life saving decision on their partner’s behalf because I can easily see that being abused. I think visitation rights are all that’s needed. What if I break up with a chick and later I’m in a coma and she comes to the hospital and says she’s my life partner and they should pull the plug? How am I protected against this scenario unless I have a living will signed beforehand?
@KRYSI
“Yeah! Like them! You only live once. As long as the gold digger pays the premium, I ain’t mad.
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i ain mad either dude, they deserve every penny u and whoever else give them”
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Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
-Don’t see anything mentioning life and death decisions.
-Seems like the “patients decides”
-Doesn’t say families are overruled without documentation stating such
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I guess you missed this part when you were copying and pasting:
“President Obama mandated Thursday that nearly all hospitals extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them…
Hospitals often bar visitors who are not related to an incapacitated patient by blood or marriage, and gay rights activists say many do not respect same-sex couples’ efforts to designate a partner to make medical decisions for them if they are seriously ill or injured.”
Do you see the words “critical health-care decisions”? That means life and death decisions. Do you see the word “incapacitated”? That means in a coma or unconscious and unable to make decisions on your own.
Sooooooooooooooo Amber Tuna has WHAT….to do with health care? Obama? or the cost of cheese? I am left confused here.
I love a woman with some hustle in ‘em!
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well boo boo, please fall back from hating on Shaunie for dragging out her divorce until Shaq gets his NEW New contract.
ggouch Says:
Sooooooooooooooo Amber Tuna has WHAT….to do with health care?
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It’s a photo illustration because this post is about gay couples. I was going to Google pics of gay couples and then I thought, why not use Amber’s old pics since she was in a past gay relationship?
Sandra Rose Says:
I will be in full support as soon as Obama amends the order taking away a gay partner’s right to make life saving decision on their partner’s behalf because I can easily see that being abused. I think visitation rights are all that’s needed. What if I break up with a chick and later I’m in a coma and she comes to the hospital and says she’s my life partner and they should pull the plug? How am I protected against this scenario unless I have a living will signed beforehand?
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Why do u keep assuming that the other person will choose to pull the plug on you? I doubt most people… especially ones you have been close enough to even date, would choose for you to die if it were a life or death situation
Damn Sandra… do you have THAT MANY enemies?? A lot of your ex’s hate you enough to go through all that to see you dead? Its ok i understand
im laughing my butt off because Amber had nothing to do with this other than being Bi….where did you get those pics from?
@SANDRA
“I guess you missed this part when you were copying and pasting:
“President Obama mandated Thursday that nearly all hospitals extend visitation rights to the partners of gay men and lesbians and respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them…
Hospitals often bar visitors who are not related to an incapacitated patient by blood or marriage, and gay rights activists say many do not respect same-sex couples’ efforts to designate a partner to make medical decisions for them if they are seriously ill or injured.”
Do you see the words “critical health-care decisions”? That means life and death decisions. Do you see the word “incapacitated”? That means in a coma or unconscious and unable to make decisions on your own.”
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Did you miss the part with “respect patients’ choices?”
Wouldn’t that mean if someone was in coma, THEY DIDN’T MAKE A CHOICE?
I mean, if a STRAIGHT person goes in a coma, and they AREN’T married, can you find a case where a girlfriend/boyfriend approved “pulling the plug?”
So you believe, that if a Lesbian Lacey is in a coma, and hasn’t given “her choice” the hosipital staff, they will allow ANYONE to make that decision? Is that the way you understand it?
Hello All. What Sandra speaks of is a presidential memo and not a mandate:
“Executive orders and proclamations, and presidential memos, are directives or actions by the President. When they are founded on the authority of the President derived from the Constitution or statute, they may have the force and effect of law…. In the narrower sense Executive orders and proclamations are written documents denominated as such…. Executive orders are generally directed to, and govern actions by, Government officials and agencies. They usually affect private individuals only indirectly. Proclamations in most instances affect primarily the activities of private individuals. Since the President has no power or authority over individual citizens and their rights except where he is granted such power and authority by a provision in the Constitution or by statute, the President’s proclamations ARE NOT LEGALLY BINDING and are at best hortatory unless based on such grants of authority. The difference between Executive orders and proclamations is more one of form than of substance.”
AND…if they are not in a recognized marriage, what does a bf/gf gained from deciding to let the patient die? It’s the untrustworthy spouses that you should worry about. They stand to gain A LOT in some situations
@KRYSI J
“I love a woman with some hustle in ‘em!
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well boo boo, please fall back from hating on Shaunie for dragging out her divorce until Shaq gets his NEW New contract.”
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Huh?
I never “hated” on Shaunie. Not even remotely. She been doin what she do for her whole life. DIGG. Nothing wrong with that.
But since Shaq bout to sign a new contract, he need to get the divorce finalized BEFORE he signs the new contract. I think he smart enough to know that tho. Well, maybe HE is not smart enough but his managers/attorneys are.
@bigtyme…no, I work in media.
Chasityn84 Says:
I understand you dont like Obama but dont fill your reader’s head with the nonsense and lies
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She tries, but it obviously doesn’t work. On this one, she needs more people.
I’m telling you, Sandra is grasping for straws. It’s really
“But it is clear that the document focuses on gays. A number of areas remain in which federal law requires proof of marriage, including receiving Social Security benefits and in taxes.”
Guess u totally missed this part. So 9 times out of 10 if the person is in a Coma or something or that sort the person make that decision would have to have the partners, living will, POA, Marriage certificate or something. I highly doubt Lulu from the club last weekend is gonna be able to just pop in and decide if u live or die. come on how bogus does that sound.
Wow 1987 Sandra? I hope this wasnt @ Jackson.
“What if I break up with a chick and later I’m in a coma and she comes to the hospital and says she’s my life partner and they should pull the plug? How am I protected against this scenario unless I have a living will signed beforehand?”
If gays could get married we wouldnt have worry about that.
But since Shaq bout to sign a new contract, he need to get the divorce finalized BEFORE he signs the new contract. I think he smart enough to know that tho. Well, maybe HE is not smart enough but his managers/attorneys are.
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NO…..no…..honey, Shaunie should be entitled to all his money…….she PAID THE PREMIUM……so she is entitled to Shaq’s life savings….and that includes new contracts, based on you’re thoughts….Shaq shouldn’t be mad at her. Anyway, I could careless we all off topic….this post boring azz hell Sandra, please post something else….???
What if the patient has multiple lesibans girlfriends?? Is it whoever gets their first can pull the plug??
I find all of this hard to believe. No one can make major decisions for you unless they are wife/husband, parents, etc. That goes for almost anything.
Anyways can we can get a
or is this gonna be a slow news day?
@KRYSI J
“But since Shaq bout to sign a new contract, he need to get the divorce finalized BEFORE he signs the new contract. I think he smart enough to know that tho. Well, maybe HE is not smart enough but his managers/attorneys are.
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NO…..no…..honey, Shaunie should be entitled to all his money…….she PAID THE PREMIUM……so she is entitled to Shaq’s life savings….and that includes new contracts, based on you’re thoughts….Shaq shouldn’t be mad at her.”
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??? What “premium” did she pay??
Anyway, you are right, a w.h.o.r.e. (Shaq) and a gold diggin w.h.o.r.e. (Shaunie) get “married” so whoever best at their “game” should win.
Shaq already made THREE mistakes (getting married/not getting a prenup/having multiple children) so that’s why he SHOULD lose half. I blame his mother too.
If he has ANY sort of advice, they will tell him not to sign anything until after the divorce is final tho.
Sandra Rose Says:
pyt305 Says:
@Sandra: If this ‘order’ gives gay partners the same rights as married people then does it also give the same rights to long term hetrosexual partners??
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To further expand on your excellent question, if you have a boyfriend and you are hospitalized, your boyfriend can’t make medical decisions on your behalf. But if your hospital roommate is a lesbian, her partner can make medical decisions for her even though they are NOT married. Is that fair?
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yes it’s fair, because you coulda gone down to the courthouse and paid your $15 -$100 to get married to your boyfriend, most gay people in America can’t do the same.
ggouch Says:
Sooooooooooooooo Amber Tuna has WHAT….to do with health care?
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It’s a photo illustration because this post is about gay couples. I was going to Google pics of gay couples and then I thought, why not use Amber’s old pics since she was in a past gay relationship?
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Ok…So she is a former lesbian..I thought those were strickly SR jokes.
CivilEngineer Says:
@missy…he just left? Did he send Raphael in his place to protect you?? Shredder is always lurking
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The problem is there is no criteria to describe who is a gay partner since they are not married. So therefore, if you’re a lesbian in a coma, your girlfriend of one week can make life saving decisions for you instead of your family. I don’t see why this is difficult for some of you to understand.
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I do not believe this for one minute. I am sorry. A girlfriend of one week….smdh
Does this mean that a boyfriend/girlfriend of a straight couple of one week could make decicions? I don’t think so.
I think what they mean is that a Gay couple over a substantial period of time.
Whatever happened with Guru? Of Gang Star? Why is this reminding me of when his “friend” wouldn’t allow family access to him in the hospital?
As far as the lesbian dressing like men questions. I remember on Jerry Springer a tranny named Britney was dating a lesbian and got her knocked up
(somebody here has to remember Britney from Jerry. She punched these two dike viewers in the face after they called her a freak/hoe. Her mama, sister and her turned that damn set out!)
But I think the butch girl dresses like a man because she feels more manly than a woman. (Same with drag queens. They feel more like a woman) but no matter what you look like on the outside (appearance wise) on the inside you still love the same sex. I could be wrong but that’s what I think.
bigtyme Says:
not going to comment on MOST of the story, but the part about the husband and wife could happen. the only time you sign something that specifically says things about blood transfusions is when you go in for surgery. since this was not the case it was up to her husband since she was incapacitated. given that they were jehovah’s witnesses her husband would not make the choice for her to have the transfusion. even if she was alert and they asked her, she would say no…my mother-in-law is a jehovah’s witness and walks around in pain right now b/c she cannot have back surgery without allowing for them to do a transfusion if something goes wrong.
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Not sure if it’s on the market yet, but there is syntheitic blood.
What “premium” did she pay??
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the puzzy premium sweetie, she had a shyt load of kidz and got married without a prenup. Guess the puzzy was good! *holds up field goal* TOUCHDOWN!
Anyway, you are right, a w.h.o.r.e. (Shaq) and a gold diggin w.h.o.r.e. (Shaunie) get “married” so whoever best at their “game” should win.
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most of the gold digging whores win homie, thats why deez niccahs stay loosing half of the shyt they work for. And they be ON TO THE NEXT ONE! but hey its like you said “you only live ONCE”
Can’t go there today. Most of said what i’m thinking already….
@iscream-I don’t have a problem with butch girls I just get confused when some girls say they don’t like men but date a butch…who act like men and dress like men and they use a dildo…
I get where you are coming from though some people like the same sex no matter the outer appearance….
@KRYSI
I don’t see what the problem is. They’re both whores, Shaunie was after the money all along, which she got, to go take care of the next niccah.
Shaq know the only way he goin get some puzzy is cause he got money, which he will still have, and now he’s going to be free to get the hoes that he loves so much.
I respect hustle so I don’t have a problem with either. Just don’t want Shaq (or any baller) to lose EVERYTHING because he (or whoever we are talking about)is a hustler too.
On that same note, anyone dumb enough to get married deserves to lose half of their money.
Hmmm if you let someone make critical care decisions for you after just knowing them for a week, you deserve to have the plug pulled!
j/k. Sandra you twisted the post to your veiws that last part says: “respect patients’ choices about who may make critical health-care decisions for them…” that means that IF I have designated someone to act on my behalf the hospital has to respect that decision even if my mama says she does not agree because she is next of kin! I’ve had to deal with this before myself concerning my daddies girlfriend. There is no directive in place I’m the next of kin so what I say goes as far as medical decisions. But if this passes she could have my daddy sign a paper making her the person who makes the decision regardless if I like them or her. Not to self: go to VA and file a directive asap!
missy Says:
@iscream-I don’t have a problem with butch girls I just get confused when some girls say they don’t like men but date a butch…who act like men and dress like men and they use a dildo…
I get where you are coming from though some people like the same sex no matter the outer appearance….
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I can’t for the life of me figure this out. You can get the real thing from a man, why not just be a man?
missy says – I don’t have a problem with butch girls I just get confused when some girls say they don’t like men but date a butch…who act like men and dress like men and they use a dildo…
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I don’t have an issue with anyones preference but we are
>>>>>>here<<<<<<< when it comes to this point. Maybe because they can still rub their tits?
I don’t see what the problem is. They’re both whores, Shaunie was after the money all along, which she got, to go take care of the next niccah.
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*in my best StrangE’ voice off boomerang*
“PRoblEMmm, no PRobLEMmm…..I’m not going”
I respect hustle so I don’t have a problem with either. Just don’t want Shaq (or any baller) to lose EVERYTHING because he (or whoever we are talking about)is a hustler too.
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@KRYSI
“you only live once” why not lose it all in one lifetime or at least half? I think everything is az it should be….Copestetic even.”
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Just don’t like to see a hustler played loose it all funny style like that. I know that’s how it goes when you stupid enough to get married tho. SMH.
SANDRA YOU ARE STILL REACHING AND READIN BETWEEN THE LINES LIKE MOST PPL WHO DISLIKE PRESIDENT OBAMA do, you sign a directive when you enter a hospital for any type of service so whoever be it family or partner can not override that piece of paper.my mother was a Jehovah Witness who went into the hospital for open heart surgery and she too needed blood but had signed papers stating not to give it to her the family also tried to circumvent the order but could not and she also passed away. But with the Presidents order it has to be something in writing before a partner or significant other can make the medical decision on your behalf. Always stretching and not telling the WHOLE STORY…
Shauny Says:
>>>>>>here<<<<<<< when it comes to this point. Maybe because they can still rub their tits?
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@ms.truth- some people don’t even have an explanation as to why they think like that I mean you are getting with a man either way one was just born with the tool the other will buy it…..
LOLOLOL. i couldn’t stop laughing. Sandra, you need ur behind WHOOPED. the random pics with amber rose sprawled across them. you could have used generic sam sex pics, but nooooooooooooooo, you chose pics with amber rose. my eyes are watering from laughing. messy messy messy sandra.
Sandra keep reaching, there is no girlfriend or boyfriend of 1 week making decision, its for gay folks in civil unions and various other legal relationship contracts. Sandra is a self hating, she is like those Uncle Ruckus for the gays
I best thing to do is to talk to your partner, whether it be marriage or otherwise and ask what their wishes are. She has an advanced directive to back it up. That’s what we did with my mom and she told us HER wishes. My sister and I have power of attorney over her healthcare and finances and will abide by HER wishes.
This whole discussion reminds me to Terry Schiavo whose husband and parents were in a battle over whether she should be kept alive or allowed to die with “dignity.” If my memory serves me correctly, her husband said she told him she didn’t want to be kept alive via artificial means, but her desire was not in writing. Her parents, on the other hand, said we want her to be kept alive by any means necessary. The husband won and they allowed Terry to die.
Wow Sandra. That was really a good point.
Such a horrible story. I am so sorry for all the people that have to suffer through that: the woman, the nurses.
This is horrible.
Just don’t like to see a hustler played loose it all funny style like that. I know that’s how it goes when you stupid enough to get married tho. SMH.
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you’re right about one thing….they’re stupid.
@KRYSI J
“Just don’t like to see a hustler played loose it all funny style like that. I know that’s how it goes when you stupid enough to get married tho. SMH.
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Just to be sure…
A: People that get married are stupid
B: Shaq and Shaunie are stupid
C: Both
Which is it?
KrayZKat Says:
This whole discussion reminds me to Terry Schiavo whose husband and parents were in a battle over whether she should be kept alive or allowed to die with “dignity.” If my memory serves me correctly, her husband said she told him she didn’t want to be kept alive via artificial means, but her desire was not in writing. Her parents, on the other hand, said we want her to be kept alive by any means necessary. The husband won and they allowed Terry to die.
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Good example. This same scenario will be played out repeatedly with this new order because gay partners who are not married have the same rights as Terry’s husband. Theoretically, if you’re in a coma and I know what hospital you’re in, I can walk in and announce I am your lover and just like that I have access to your medical charts and I can start making medical decisions for you. If the hospital wants to call your parents, I can say I never met them. This order is dangerous and not well thought out.
CivilEngineer Says:
This is a bill right?
If yes, then it’ll be debated and tweaked until they find a working plan, which is the whole purpose of the legislative process…
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This is an executive order, meaning Obama made the decision on his own and it wasn’t voted on by members of Congress as bills are. Didn’t you watch Sesame Street as a kid (how a bill becomes a law song)?
Kitrina Says:
Sandra keep reaching, there is no girlfriend or boyfriend of 1 week making decision, its for gay folks in civil unions and various other legal relationship contracts.
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I’m sorry but you’re wrong. Civil unions between gays are only legal in a handful of states. This order covers ALL hospitals that accept Medicare and Medicaid. Why don’t you read the order and know what’s in it before you argue?
In a move hailed as a step toward fairness for same-sex couples, President Barack Obama is ordering that nearly all hospitals allow *patients* to say who has visitation rights and who can help make medical decisions, including gay and lesbian partners.
It said Medicare-Medicaid hospitals, which include most of the nation’s facilities, may not deny visitation and consultation privileges on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.
This is a critical step in ending discrimination against LGBT families and ensuring that, in the event of a hospital stay, all Americans have the right to see their loved ones,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
The new rules, Obama said, should “guarantee that all patients’ advance directives, such as durable powers of attorney and health care proxies, are respected,” and that patients’ designees be able to “make informed decisions regarding patients’ care.”
From the official memorandum:
For all of these Americans, the failure to have their wishes respected concerning who may visit them or make medical decisions on their behalf has real onsequences
Ensure that all hospitals participating in Medicare or Medicaid are in full compliance with regulations, codified at 42 CFR 482.13 and 42 CFR 489.102(a), promulgated to guarantee that all patients’ advance directives, such as durable powers of attorney and health care proxies, are respected, and that patients’ representatives otherwise have the right to make informed decisions regarding patients’ care
Sandra the words “advanced directives” “durable power of attorney” and “patient’s decision” jumps out to me. You are a nurse, I am sure you took medical terminology… We can read too… #Iamdone
Just to be clear, this order covers patients who are in a coma in ICU or in specialized units where visitors are limited to only their spouse and immediate family. People in regular hospital rooms can receive any visitors all day long.
“The new rules, Obama said, should ‘guarantee that all patients’ advance directives, such as durable powers of attorney and health care proxies, are respected,’ and that patients’ designees be able to ‘make informed decisions regarding patients’ care.’”
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up…
Chasityn84 Says:
Sandra the words “advanced directives” “durable power of attorney” and “patient’s decision” jumps out to me. You are a nurse, I am sure you took medical terminology… We can read too… #Iamdone
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If the patient already has an advanced directive then why is Obama’s order necessary? The law is clear on advanced directives. As a nurse, I don’t need Obama’s new order to tell me to comply with an advanced directive. So obviously this order covers gay partners who are NOT named in the advanced directive. For instance, if you are a lesbian and your mother is named in your advanced directive but not your lover, then your lover is covered under Obama’s new order and she can come see you and make decisions for you. The original case that Obama based this order on occurred two years ago when a lesbian was denied visitation rights to see her dying lover because she was not named in her lover’s advanced directive. So the hospital (Jackson Memorial in Miami where I got my nursing degree) refused to allow her to visit. So I do know what I’m talking about.
Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
“The new rules, Obama said, should ‘guarantee that all patients’ advance directives, such as durable powers of attorney and health care proxies, are respected,’
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Umm, advanced directives were already respected and followed before Obama signed that order. There is no need for Obama to order hospitals to respect advanced directives, LOL.
Obama’s order covers ALL gay partners whether they have advanced directives or not. Please read the actual Executive order and not news stories written by people who don’t understand hospital policy.
@SANDRA ROSE
“Umm, advanced directives were already respected and followed before Obama signed that order. There is no need for Obama to order hospitals to respect advanced directives, LOL. Obama’s order covers ALL gay partners whether they have advanced directives or not. Please read the actual Executive order and not news stories written by people who don’t understand hospital policy.”
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I mean, if a STRAIGHT person goes in a coma, and they AREN’T married, can you find a case where a girlfriend/boyfriend approved “pulling the plug?”
So you believe, that if a Lesbian Lacey is in a coma, and hasn’t given “her choice” the hosipital staff, they will allow ANYONE to make that decision? Is that the way you understand it?
@ Man, I just don’t care™:
For example, rapper Guru named his friend in his living will before he was hospitalized in a coma and his friend wouldn’t allow family members to visit Guru. Now that happened before Obama signed this new order. So obviously, hospitals have always followed advanced directives — As I’m sure you already know.
Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
I mean, if a STRAIGHT person goes in a coma, and they AREN’T married, can you find a case where a girlfriend/boyfriend approved “pulling the plug?”
So you believe, that if a Lesbian Lacey is in a coma, and hasn’t given “her choice” the hosipital staff, they will allow ANYONE to make that decision? Is that the way you understand it?
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As you already know, if a STRAIGHT patient is in a coma — ONLY the blood relative or spouse can make medical decisions on their behalf. That’s why Obama signed this new order to give gays the same rights to make those decisions as a married couple, which includes pulling the plug if nothing else can be done medically for the patient. The problem is gays are not married. So therefore, the hospital doesn’t know how long they have been together. Also, the patient would have to be declared brain dead first before they pull the plug. So to answer your second question, Obama has given any gay partner the rights to pull the plug on lesbian Lacey if she is brain dead — and there does not have to be a living will in place.
@SANDRA ROSE
“For example, rapper Guru named his friend in his living will before he was hospitalized in a coma and his friend wouldn’t allow family members to visit Guru. Now that happened before Obama signed this new order. So obviously, hospitals have always followed advanced directives — As I’m sure you already know.”
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The lady credited with being the person the order was done after HAD A POWER OF ATTORNEY that was ignored by the hospital.
Lambda Legal launched legal action on behalf of Janice Langbehn against a Florida hospital that denied her visitation after her partner Lisa Pond was stricken with a fatal brain aneurysm. Even though she had power of attorney, for 8 hours hospital staff refused to allow Janice and her children in to see her dying partner of over 20 years – with one employee informing her that she was in an antigay city and antigay state.
This bill is just another example of Obama just doing whatever he feels like doing without thinking things through. If this were a bill it would have been defeated on the Senate floor. But because it’s an advanced directive, it means Obama can sign it without Congress voting on it.
If a homosexual patient is in a coma when arriving to the hospital and the question comes up about pulling life support, If THE PARTNER OF ONE WEEK is not Legally (written directives, power of attorney, etc)permitted, then the decision will STILL go to the NEXT OF KIN. I guarantee you that you will not hear of a PARTNER OF ONE WEEK pulling life support on someone. If you don’t believe it, write the WHITE HOUSE and they will explain it further.
@SANDRA ROSE
“As you already know, if a STRAIGHT patient is in a coma — ONLY the blood relative or spouse can make medical decisions on their behalf. That’s why Obama signed this new order to give gays the same rights to make those decisions as a married couple, which includes pulling the plug if nothing else can be done medically for the patient. The problem is gays are not married. So therefore, the hospital doesn’t know how long they have been together. Also, the patient would have to be declared brain dead first before they pull the plug. So to answer your second question, Obama has given any gay partner the rights to pull the plug on lesbian Lacey if she is brain dead — and there does not have to be a living will in place.”
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If Lebian Lacey informs the hospital staff of her “choice” to have Homosexual Hattie make medical decisions, then yes, she Hattie could make that judgement call.
If Lesbian Lacey DOES NOT inform the medical staff who can make decisions, then Lacey’s next of kin will have to make the decision.
I’m not sure what your point of contention is with this order. Do you feel it could be abused by those that don’t have a “real” or “long term” relationship? If so, how?
Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
The lady credited with being the person the order was done after HAD A POWER OF ATTORNEY that was ignored by the hospital.
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Unfortunately, there are different types of powers of attorney and she might have had one that limited her access to the patient. I had a power of attorney on a girlfriend once. But she made sure it didn’t include the provision for me to pull the plug on her if she was brain dead. LOL.
@SANDRA ROSE
“The lady credited with being the person the order was done after HAD A POWER OF ATTORNEY that was ignored by the hospital.
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Unfortunately, there are different types of powers of attorney and she might have had one that limited her access to the patient. I had a power of attorney on a girlfriend once. But she made sure it didn’t include the provision for me to pull the plug on her if she was brain dead. LOL.”
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“Janice arrived at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami, Fl, at the same time as the ambulance carrying her life partner of 18 years, Lisa Pond. Forty-five minutes later, the hospital received Lisa’s durable power of attorney identifying Janice as the person authorized to make medical decisions. Eight hours later, Janice was still pleading with hospital employees to allow her, and their three jointly adopted children, permission to be with Lisa as she was taking her last breaths on this earth.”
I can give you the website if you like…
if George Bush made this decision Sandra would be all for it. Black teabaggers like Sandra are just trying to get paid for being the black needle in the haystack of foolishness
Keep reaching Sandra and ADVANCED DIRECTIVES WERE NOT LEGAL FOR GAY RIGHTS U OF ALL PPL SHOULD KNOW THAT. this is u tryin to come up wit bullshish and it’s NOT WORKIN. Advance Directives were not legal even in states where it is legal to marry this laws makes it LEGAL. SANDRA CEASE AND DESIST WITH THE PROPAGANDA!!!
Man, I just don’t care™ Says:
“Forty-five minutes later, the hospital received Lisa’s durable power of attorney..”
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Why did it take 45 minutes for the hospital to receive the power of attorney? Did she have it faxed over? Most hospitals won’t respect a power of attorney unless it’s physically in your hand and signed by both parties. I was a nursing student at Jackson Memorial in Miami and I did my clinicals there. It is twice the size of Grady hospital. Jackson is no small time hospital. If they didn’t comply with her power of attorney that means it was not legal or it wasn’t the original document. In any case, it’s the hospital’s job to protect the patient’s interests, not the patient’s girlfriend.
luvly1957 Says:
Keep reaching Sandra and ADVANCED DIRECTIVES WERE NOT LEGAL FOR GAY RIGHTS U OF ALL PPL SHOULD KNOW THAT. this is u tryin to come up wit bullshish and it’s NOT WORKIN.
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Wow. You really should read before you argue points that you know nothing about. A power of attorney, aka advanced directive, covers anyone whether you’re gay or not. Obama’s order covers gays who do not have power of attorney.
My head hurts after reading all this but thanks PA for breaking down what the deal really is