The Atlanta public schools cheating scandal has rocked the community and made headlines around the country. Atlanta's public school system has consistently ranked at the bottom of national scholastic achievement tests. It's not that the students are dumb -- it's that their (mostly black) teachers are corrupt and just plain lazy.

I remember the day when a local hospital (which shall not be named) ordered testing for its entire staff of licensed practical nurses (LPNs). The action was taken in response to complaints from patients and RNs.

A shocking number of (mostly black) LPNs failed the tests -- and were fired.

Many of them were distraught after working at the hospital for decades. But the hospital is responsible for ensuring that the medical staff is competent and capable of doing their jobs. In national rankings, this particular hospital consistently ranks near the top among its national peers.

The same cannot be said for the Atlanta Public School system.

Students in the Atlanta Public Schools are angry, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. They feel betrayed -- cheated, in fact -- after learning last week that nearly 180 educators in 44 schools changed students' answers on standardized tests in order to artificially inflate APS test scores and avoid losing its accreditation.

It was all about greed -- "to make sure the money is there," said Tucker, 18, a student at Carver school of the arts.

"They're supposed to be helping us, not cheating," said a student who was among more than a dozen students interviewed by the AJC.

"I think they're really taking education away from us," said another student.

Many of the key figures responsible for ordering the mass cheating, and the shredding of evidence, have either quit their positions or retired, including school Superintendent Beverly Hall.

The AJC first called attention to evidence of widespread cheating in Atlanta schools more than two years ago. The governor's special investigators uncovered organized and systemic misconduct within the school district as far back as 2001.

Although the investigation centered on Atlanta's middle schools, local high schools are also affected by the cheating fallout.

Graduating high school seniors, who were products of Atlanta's middle schools, are having a difficult time passing the demanding college entrance exams.

"It's honestly sickening that these people who are supposed to look out for kids took advantage of the students' and the parents' trust," said Ashley Brown, who graduated in May from Grady High School.

The scandal, she said, has created "a perverted representation of all APS students -- and it's revolting."

Photos by BOB ANDRES, BANDRES@AJC.COM

  • SexxxyDimeDiva

    Well if Atlanta is on the bottom of the totem pole I wonder where Baltimore rank? :shrugs:

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8jO3KcMlWE Feline Feminine in the flesh

    @Sandra

    It’s not that the students are dumb — it’s that their (mostly black) teachers are corrupt and just plain lazy.
    ___

    :smack:

  • StillASassyOne

    I can believe this! I'm sure it's not only Atlanta where it happens as well! I remember I had friends who went to public school in predominately Black areas their entire life (I went to mostly private/parochial/all-white public schools.) And some of my friends whose grades were consistently higher than mine at those Black public schools compared to mine in private schools had to attend special "summer programs" before going to some of the easiest to get into local colleges.

    I couldn't understand it. I had a 3.4 and got into Princeton. One friend had a 3.9 her ENTIRE high school career and was only granted "provisional" admission into Morgan in Baltimore.

    I think they need to investigate this in every school system. I just KNOW ATL is not the only place affected.

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    This is really sad. It already sucks that we lack the same education as our peers who are either white, asian & indian BUT to have it be due to the fact that not only are the teachers lazy (which we already know) but that they are cheating in order to get the students out of their hair! I do understand the teachers need to do better and that no one has asked the teachers to follow this career path in the first place, but it is very disheartening when a coach for football & basketball can make more money that a teacher!

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    This is the very reason why I moved from Chicago area public schools. Your kids can get straight A's and make it to college completely unprepared.

  • StillASassyOne

    @SexxxxyDimmeDiva

    Go figure- Baltimore actually has a pretty high-ranking school system. Maryland has one of the best ranked school systems in the US (#2 or 3, I believe.) And I couldn't believe that at first with PG County, Baltimore City AND Baltimore County being included in that.

    I graduated from Howard County Schools and I personally think they are what's carrying "Maryland's" status, because Howard is ranked #6 best county for schools in the country. Montgomery is somewhere in the top 15 as well.

  • West Coast Chick

    horrible!!!

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    Hey SamYell.....Hey WCC & Sexxy....I think I already spoke to SASO & Fefe!
    :waves:

  • http://vimeo.com/17630990 LaTechGrad02

    My mother is a public school teacher, not in Atlanta, and this story has really shocked the whole system. The guilty parties definitely should be held accountable for their actions. I know some are blaming No Child Left Behind but that's no excuse for what was done here.

    IMO, I think the system here failed these students but I also think that parents need to be held accountable as well. If Little Johnny can't read a Dr. Seuss book or perform basic math functions yet he's bringing home straight A's on every report card and his test scores are waaaaaay higher than they should be it's time to start asking questions.

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    Sup Tatted.... Are you pregnant? You're glowing.......

  • FoxE

    Hmmm.

    The educators are completely wrong for hiding the truth from those kids about their academic level. Im sure alot were doing it to keep thier job & others just didn't care.

    But if you dont like teaching, just f.cking leave! :smack: Nobody makes you become a damn teacher!

    On the other hand, you can't cheat on the ACT or SATs. So I wonder if any of those students realized when they went to college they were behind and try to get the help (tutoring) they needed? I wonder if the parents notice the reading, math or science level those kids were at?

  • TruGemini

    Lord hammercy :no:

    So the kids who really just don't know what the hell they're doing are passing right along just so the district can "maintain" a decent look in the rankings?!? ATL is just straight off the hook!

    I sure as hell don't believe APS is the only place this is happening. I mean I find it very funny that my lil cousin been passing his grade every year. The first year he is out of the public school system, he fails :think: Coincidience? I don't think so...

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    SamYell....IF YOU CAN GET PREGGERS OF SOME GOOD TONGUE AND A STRAP, YOU GOT ME!

  • StillASassyOne

    "This is the very reason why I moved from Chicago area public schools. Your kids can get straight A’s and make it to college completely unprepared."
    -----------------------

    I have a cousin who just graduated from this school in Bmore county that i once went to for 6 months in high school. Coming from mostly private, upper-tier schools, the curriculm there was so easy that I skipped school 3 days a week the entire time there and still had straight A's. I remember even having to correct my English teacher on Sylvia Plath knowledge once.

    But my cousin just graduated from there and is going to college. How he got in, I have no idea. But he is ILLITERATE as hell!! Basic words, he cannot spell and writing is just horrible. I think I offended his Grandmom (my aunt), but I told her that he is illiterate and he is going to be out of his league in college. It's sad. And I wondered who would let him pass English all FOUR YEARS KNOWING he can't spell simple words like "definitely" and "precisely" and "exhausted."

    It's sad. All around.

  • Ididntreallymeanit

    I'm sure this is happening in other schools around the country

  • TruGemini

    I wonder if the parents notice the reading, math or science level those kids were at?
    _______________________________

    I was wondering the same thing. Some of the parents had to be like "wait a cotdayum minute, now...I know good and well..."

  • http://twitter.com/_imOther_ Mamacita

    :no: <<<<<<<smh

    Now I will say that there are some terrible teachers out there but there are also plenty of students who just refuse to learn. There are many good (black) teachers out there and many bad teachers out there.

    Ex. My friend used to teach at this school. She handed her students a pre-test at the beginning of the week and told them that they would be tested on the material at the end of the week. She gave the test and most of the students FLUNKED the test. So she handed back the test and gave them a second chance to complete the test. She went over ALL the answers to the test and the next day gave the SAME EXACT TEST. She said only a little over half of the students passed.

    You want better teachers, PAY THEM MORE!

  • momo

    This is a damn shame. Why be a teacher if you don't want to teach? Instances like this make US look very ignorant & uneducated.

  • momo

    HELLO EVERYONE! I haven't been on the scene in a while :-)

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    @Sassy
    I went to high school in Chicago and Madison, WI. The difference was black and white in more ways than one.......

  • FoxE

    :waves: Afternoon SR folks!

  • TruGemini

    Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven says:

    SamYell….IF YOU CAN GET PREGGERS OF SOME GOOD TONGUE AND A STRAP, YOU GOT ME!
    _________________________________

    Never been able to figure out why this was necessary? I mean, why not just go get a dude and have the real thing? :shrug: And if dudes aren't your thing, then where does the need (for lack of a better word) for peen-like penetration come in?

  • jealousCNenvy

    Thats sad. What a shame. What are these teachers getting paid for? They are just working for a paycheck and not looking out for the education of our Young Generation. SMH!

  • http://twitter.com/_imOther_ Mamacita

    AND That No child Left Behind bullsh*t is the worst to ever happen to our education system. :mad:

    My old roommate is a teacher and the stories she would tell me are ridiculous.

    Point _____ .

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TATTED
    :blink:
    I thought you ain't use the strap??? I could have SWORN you told me you ain't mess with the strap. :think:

  • jazi65

    Schools are so desperate for funding they'll do anything..sad

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @TruGemini..BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE MEN SEXUALLY! I like what I like & that is all!

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Man....I AIN'T NEVER TOLD YOU NATHAN LIKE THAT! WE'VE NEVER GONE THAT DEEP! :rofl:

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TATTED
    "BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE MEN SEXUALLY! I like what I like & that is all!"
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    :rofl:

    I bet you get asked that question a lot.

  • TruGemini

    momo says:

    This is a damn shame. Why be a teacher if you don’t want to teach?
    ______________________________________________

    I think they do want to teach but are under so much muthafukkn pressure to have every damn student pass, that they get stupid and start doing dumb stuff. I know here, if a teacher doesn't have a certain percentage of their students pass, they can pretty much count on a pink slip at the end of the year...

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TATTED
    "I AIN’T NEVER TOLD YOU NATHAN LIKE THAT! WE’VE NEVER GONE THAT DEEP! "
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    You sure? I could have sworn. Wait, are you the "Quaterback" or the "Receiver?"

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Man....NOPE, NOT AT ALL! You'd be amazed @ how many people could give 2 fucks! :rofl:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Man...I'm such a receiver.....there is NOT ONE COT DAYUM THANG MASCULINE 'BOUT ME!

  • mirsmommy

    :rofl: at Man. SMH.

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TRU
    "I think they do want to teach but are under so much muthafukkn pressure to have every damn student pass, that they get stupid and start doing dumb stuff. I know here, if a teacher doesn’t have a certain percentage of their students pass, they can pretty much count on a pink slip at the end of the year…"
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    :cosign: this and whoever said that the "No Child Left Behind" act was the WORST thing to happen to public schools.

    It made the GOOD teachers go to private schools and put mostly new and inexperienced teachers in public schools and then put a "gun" to their head. Ripe conditions for unethical actions.

  • TruGemini

    Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven says:

    BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE MEN SEXUALLY! I like what I like & that is all!
    _______________________________________________________

    Oh. Okay. :coffee:

    Like you said, you like what you like. I really do have another question / comment but I won't go any deeper (no pun intended) with this.

    Do you girl :thumbsup: !!

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TATTED
    "…I’m such a receiver…..there is NOT ONE COT DAYUM THANG MASCULINE ‘BOUT ME!"
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    :blink:
    Um, you eat puzzy and suck tiddies, that's MASCULINE babe!
    :rofl:

    Yeah, it's feminine too, and that's a GOOD thing. :thumbsup:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    'chuup, MIRS! :rofl:

  • WUTWUZMISSIN!

    What's even sadder is the fact they were at one point trying to stop Chartered Schools. The GA schools are bad all around. Atlanta cheating, Cobb dumbs them down, Cherokee racist racist racist... :coffee:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Man...IT'S NOT A MASCULINE THANG....IT'S A FREAK THANG! GET IT STRAIGHT BEW! :hahaha:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Tru.....not a problem & I thank you!

  • TruGemini

    It made the GOOD teachers go to private schools and put mostly new and inexperienced teachers in public schools
    _________________________________________________

    And those new and inexperienced teachers were willing to work for piss and peanuts not knowing they were getting in way over their heads.

  • http://twitter.com/_imOther_ Mamacita

    TruGemini says:

    momo says:

    This is a damn shame. Why be a teacher if you don’t want to teach?
    ______________________________________________

    I think they do want to teach but are under so much muthafukkn pressure to have every damn student pass, that they get stupid and start doing dumb stuff. I know here, if a teacher doesn’t have a certain percentage of their students pass, they can pretty much count on a pink slip at the end of the year…

    ---------

    :cosign:

    And this is exactly why teachers stop giving a damn. At the end of the day it's all about money and numbers. NOT EDUCATION. Even if you have students who aren't performing you have to make it "easy" on them so it doesn't make you or your school look bad.

  • StillASassyOne

    @SamYell
    I can believe it. You'd be amazed at the differences here (which is also Black & White in more ways than one), once you simply cross county lines. Baltimore County and Howard County have two high schools on each side of the county line, only separated by about 2.5 miles but the differences are ASTONISHING! You'd have to see it to belive it.

    It's like walking a line between Beverly Hills and Compton and you can see either side of the world from that line. It's sad in more ways than I can tell.

  • TruGemini

    Man, I just don't care™ says:

    Um, you eat puzzy and suck tiddies, that’s MASCULINE babe!
    ___________________________________________

    :blink:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    EXAAACTLY, Tru!

  • mrsloveleigh

    How bout Kathy Augustine who was the deputy superintendent in Atlanta was recently hired here in Desoto-a Dallas suburb to be superintendent and is now on leave while they investigate her involvement in this mess.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8jO3KcMlWE Feline Feminine in the flesh

    @Tatted

    Honestly that's something I've always wondered myself (TruGemini's question) but I always feel like I'm offending folks when I ask or when I inquire about it, so I just let it be...lol...

  • TruGemini

    Mamacita says:

    And this is exactly why teachers stop giving a damn. At the end of the day it’s all about money and numbers. NOT EDUCATION. Even if you have students who aren’t performing you have to make it “easy” on them so it doesn’t make you or your school look bad.
    ______________________________________________

    Exactly! They do Math and English all damn day..in preparation for the End of Course tests. But they don't learn how to write a good paragraph, use puncuation or any of that. My lil cousin is 15 y/o and that nigga don't know how to write in cursive. I remember I learned that when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade...thangs done changed.

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TATTED

    :blink:
    Well if fluckin women ain't considered "masucline" I don't know what is!

    But yeah, it's "freaky" too. :shrugs:

  • http://twitter.com/jaysreallife Jay Bee

    I believe this is ballooney... with all the cuts going on with school districts across the states.. this would just lead to JUSTIFICATION to privatize public educations... pay attention.. They are screaming the same story here in Philadelphia... Im not buying it #wakeUp

    And your govt is all about saving money to make their pockets fatter and they do not care if its at the expense of ignorance... The want to discontinue with public education and sale all school to private owners.. yall better know it

  • WUTWUZMISSIN!

    @ Tatted

    It is true that some teachers are lazy. But there are those who go beyond the call too. I have seen them. The cheating by the school system is bad, but alot of teachers feel that the kids aren't listening anyway. You can't make them listen, it isn't like when we grew up and they had corpal punishment or your parent could come to the school and beat ya azz in front of the class. Alot of kids also lack home motivation and encouragement. I think this is what happens: Teachers are unmotivated because they have unmotivated students who don't get encouragement or disciplined. The government pressures to school sytem to "Do Better" and give them a standard or lose funding so they cheat to meet standard and keep funding....

  • http://yallaintchit.com/ Man, I just don’t care™

    @TRU
    "Exactly! They do Math and English all damn day..in preparation for the End of Course tests. But they don’t learn how to write a good paragraph, use puncuation or any of that. My lil cousin is 15 y/o and that nigga don’t know how to write in cursive. I remember I learned that when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade…thangs done changed."
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Oh yeah, chit done changed. SMH. They aren't "teaching" kids. They are just prepping them on how to take a test. To pick THE MOST LIKELY ANSWER. To move quickly. How questions are formatted. chit like that.

    Education isn't one of those things that should be "rewarded with incentives" like a "sales job" or a managerial job. SMH. Chit just set up all wrong.

  • PAHairston

    Hello All. It's a sad time when teachers have to cheat in order for our children to excel. (The entire school system needs to be revamped. It's also about non-parents. I read to my only child every night, even when I was dead tired. I gave him a book every birthday and Christmas, so that he would grow to learn that reading was important and fun. I made learning fun. He was accepted at Yale, Stanford, Dartmouth, Temple and MIT. His only rejection letter was from Harvard but it was a long, impressive one. He graduated from Stanford in 09 and he's now taking pre-med courses at San Francisco State. He wants to be a heart surgeon. I'm blessed to have been blessed with a child that gave me little trouble. (My mother would be so proud, who only had an 8th grade education.)Because I was a single mother, I put God first, then him, then myself. No sorry as man ever came between us.

    We need to go back to the basics. Black folks have struggled to long and hard, making sure that each generation gets better and better and better. What ever happened to our dreams and aspirations? Dr. King has turned over in his grave. Peace.

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    @Sassy That's why I talked about that documentary they had about the highschools out your way. That shyt mirrored my experiences in Chicago highschool. Cept I think ours were worse. I made a point to let people know about it so they could see it for themselves because working/talking with yts who don't understand gets dull after a while..

  • TruGemini

    Feline Feminine in the flesh says:

    Honestly that’s something I’ve always wondered myself (TruGemini’s question) but I always feel like I’m offending folks when I ask or when I inquire about it, so I just let it be…lol…
    _________________________________________________

    I think the people who are genuine in how they're living and not doing it "for show" are the ones who will give you a cool, drama-free answer...cuz they know it comes with the territory, so to speak.

  • NaijaGal

    In Texas plenty of WHITE teachers have been busted for changing the standardized tests. Teachers are afraid because learning is no longer important. It's all about testing and attendance. The paychecks are based on students passing the standardized tests. It's just sad all around.

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    Oh get over it, Man! :rofl:
    @ Fefe...I understand, but most people don't ask for pure curiosity, they ask because they have an opinion one way or another. I try and tell everyone, I'm not the gay thesarus, I don't mind answering questions but I do have limits! Sometimes I just wanna say, if you wanna know, go find out! But no, questions are not offending if the person is not trying to offend!

  • AirForceGirl

    Man, I just don’t care™ says:

    Um, you eat puzzy and suck tiddies, that’s MASCULINE babe!

    __________________________________

    WOWZERS!!! Not exactly something I was expecting to read today! :shocked:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ WUT. I definitely agree, and I am not saying ALL TEACHERS are lazy, but let's face facts. Most teachers have to be a student teacher so they know what they are getting into; maybe not to the point of actually being a teacher and seeing other things BUT I also agree that they need to pay teachers more!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8jO3KcMlWE Feline Feminine in the flesh

    @Tatted

    :thumbsup:

  • http://twitter.com/_imOther_ Mamacita

    @TruGemeni Have you heard that they're trying to take cursive writing out of the curriculum all together because they say it's rarely used and no longer needed? It's sad where we're headed...

  • AirForceGirl

    @ Tru

    My lil cousin is 15 y/o and that nigga don’t know how to write in cursive. I remember I learned that when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade…thangs done changed.

    _________________________________
    I heard that in 41 states (or something like that) they are no longer teaching cursive to the children. They say it's "unnecessary" and a waste of time since people don't write in cursive anymore. :shrugs:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    :wink: @ Fefe

  • http://twitter.com/jaysreallife Jay Bee

    These teachers (not all) are not cheating... wheres the proof. Some children have made a turn around.. Stop believing everything at face value...you have to give credit.. best believe there is a small percentage of cheaters.. They want to overall public education ..The school district have more problems to deal with, like mismanaging funds.. Trust there will be no more public education. handle the cheats and keep public educations.. hold the parents responsible for their lack of education and educating too

    Some kids worked hard and some teachers prepared the students to take the test... when your down theres no rule that says you cant come up....

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    Its not just in ATL its everywhere. In charlotte they cut 1000 teaching positions then later post 600 new jobs on the website. My ex once told me that guidance cancellers can actually change a students transcript. He wanted to go to UNC Greensboro and his guidance canceller told him to wait to apply because she can change his scores. SMH. But it happens everywhere.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8jO3KcMlWE Feline Feminine in the flesh

    I think @Jay Bee may be on to something...make education something that can only be attained privately, that way the gap between upper and lower class will widen more and more...it's a shame what greed can do to a nation that was once great in everything...

  • TwinMom

    This is sad on all levels. If put in this same predicament what would you do? Can't fault the teachers for trying to save their jobs. Some of the teachers were told that if they didn't produce excellent results they may as well go apply to Walmart.What is going on with our country? This is the only country that I know of that will fire a teacher because "Little Johnny" can't read. If "Little Johnny" can't read that's the parents fault. How about the gov't should cut off the "Child Tax Credit" when Little Johnny can't read. (I bet Johnny and his mama will learn how to read....REAL FAST!!!)

  • http://twitter.com/jaysreallife Jay Bee

    @ Tru

    My lil cousin is 15 y/o and that nigga don’t know how to write in cursive. I remember I learned that when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade…thangs done changed.

    ~~~~~~

    sorry to tell you but that is STRCTLY PARENTING.........

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    @Tatted
    But who really wants to be a teacher nowadays? They don't get paid much on average, alot of the kids that are there are really there because the parents basically use it for daycare, and alot of kids are apathetic towards learning. They can't do their jobs AND the parents' jobs but they get all of the criticism when the kids fail.

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    @ Sam

    I wanted to be a teacher. I just have a lifestyle to obtain, but I have such a passion for education and I want that to be passed on to our children. Some people actually go into teaching because they love the job, but then have all the life sucked out of them.

  • AirForceGirl

    @ Twin Mom

    This is the only country that I know of that will fire a teacher because “Little Johnny” can’t read. If “Little Johnny” can’t read that’s the parents fault. How about the gov’t should cut off the “Child Tax Credit” when Little Johnny can’t read. (I bet Johnny and his mama will learn how to read….REAL FAST!!!)

    ________________________

    :preach:

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Sam...you are so right! Alot of parents expect these teachers to raise their children. AND LET'S FACE IT, half of this fuggin' kids are disrespectful, bad & don't listen and as soon as you have something to say to them, they wanna go tell their momma! I went to school to become a teacher but as soon as I hit my 3rd year, I straight changed my major! I could not do it! I have a friend that is a teacher and some girl was spitting spit balls in her hair! I would've back-handed the chit outta her, and then dealt w/her mom!

  • AirForceGirl

    @ Tattted,

    I was pursuing a BA in Early Childhood Education and recently changed mine too. I caint do it! I have a passion for it, but I don't want to be working 3 jobs just to maintain my lifestyle...then who's gonna raise my children while I'm trying to raise everybody else's!?

  • 2cents

    I know in Houston the only thing they are teaching these kids to do is pass the TAKS test. My second grader failed almost every subject all year but they still promoted him and he can't read on a sufficient level IMO, however the won't keep him in the second grade, granted he had perfect attendance and is not a behavior problem however I am seeking my options, becuase I dont think he should be allowed to go to the third grade and can't read.

  • SexxxyDimeDiva

    StillASassyOne says:

    @SexxxxyDimmeDiva

    Go figure- Baltimore actually has a pretty high-ranking school system. Maryland has one of the best ranked school systems in the US (#2 or 3, I believe.) And I couldn’t believe that at first with PG County, Baltimore City AND Baltimore County being included in that.

    I graduated from Howard County Schools and I personally think they are what’s carrying “Maryland’s” status, because Howard is ranked #6 best county for schools in the country. Montgomery is somewhere in the top 15 as well.

    ____________________________________________________
    StillASassyOne:

    That is exactly what I'm talking about! My son grew up in Atlanta, & transfered his sophomore year to Howard Co and graduated a year earlier because he was more advanced than the students here in MD.

  • SamYell JacksEm is AWESOME

    @Laci
    Exactly. I remember fleetingly wanting to be a teacher but after I saw the parents my mind was changed. I saw parents (mostly female) running up on teachers talkin bout "You just don't like my son! That's why you failed him!" and even when there was evidence that the kid didn't do his work they would say "That's your job!". So I went another route.....

  • Crickett

    When Bush pushed money at APS with NO Child Left Behind- his program ran checks and balances and checked on the progress of APS through a series of test. These test scrapped the curriculum and forced administrators to "teach for the test". Yes, it's greed but that being said- that climate was created with a program to help a failing poor city school system out the gutter. Hall's administration created a climate of change the grades or lose your jobs, because if we loe funding from the federal government we will lose our jobs (the top of the food chain making 200k+ pr year). From Hall's office, she directly instructed principals (75k+) to scare their teachers (40k+) into getting it done. The teachers, mostly black and some working off their Teach America grant (undergrad grant that makes you teach at poverty stricken urban schools for 3 years after graduation) were faced with losing their jobs if they didn't make sure all their pupils passed regardless of their dedication of 99% of their classtime to "teaching the test". It's sickening because they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. I mention the pay grades because when its coming from 2 pay grades up- it's not a choice, it's a requirement. Now they've had their teachers licenses stripped and none can ever work with children again, but many of the administrators made enough money to either retire or start a charter school.
    On the other hand, as a parent of 2 middle school students. APS teaches to the test period.....and that's it. First day of school it's a count down to the test, the week before the test they have parades, parties and alot of hype. After the test, teachers stop teaching, there's no homework, kids watch tv in class all dang day (my daughter has watched bootleg R rated horror movies while sitting in science class). Both my girls are in Honors/AP programs- which is regular classes only seperated from the degenerates. The teachers are dumb, dumb and dumber-one sent home a syllabi full of slang and misspellings, another fought another teacher in a class full of kids, they talk to the kids like they are on the block. One of the elememtary schools is in my district, think they had 50%+ erasure marks- can I tell you that most of the kids in this subdivision go to that school AND this is where when the mayor moved here 2006 we were annexed City of Atlanta from South Fulton County- thus changing our entire school district. The shame he must feel for throwing his neighbors kids into this mess.

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Airforce...I DEFIINITELY UNDERSTAND. I could not do it! I don't have any children but you taking care of everyone else's children and neglecting your own!

    #ironyatitsfinest

  • CFREE

    It really is a dayuum shame, My daughters principal and assistant got they azz locked up year before for last for changing CRCT scores, luckily my child was not one of the students. They outta be ashamed!

  • CFREE

    Where @Sassy fast tail at??? *snaps belt* :lol:

  • Hard Hitter

    Kids complaining about being given grades...teachers do that all the time (to their favorites, the teacher's pet, one's they r f-ing (older teens) and ones they want to F (college professors)

    I remember when a girl cheated off my paper (I dorn near wrote hers) and we got two different grades even though our papers were essentially the same. She got higher marks (the things we sacrifice in the name of trying to get some) for some reason (wink, wink...he was a male professor)

    If someone changed your grade and it caused you to get a scholarship as opposed to not getting one.... be happy. Assimilate and work harder when you get their.

    BTW - Thinking back... it did astonish me at how so many of my peers had to take remedial classes upon being on scholarship #nojudging

    and is being given a grade any different from a parent politicing throughout the childs whole k-12 education with PTOs, etc... so that the teacher wouldnt dare fail little Jimmy? or the kids who brown nose their way to 4.2 GPAs (wtf...them dam AP class bonus points? #ijs

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    @ Sam

    Thats horrible. Parents know the truth (how bad their children are), but act like they cant admit it. Whats really sad is when a three year old knows all the words to Beyonce "Who run the World", but cant say her ABC's. My little boy is 18 months and you best believe he knows his ABC's, body parts and since im learning Spanish through rosetta stone, he'll be learning it too. I want my child to be better than I am and he will too.

  • CFREE

    Mamacita says:

    @TruGemeni Have you heard that they’re trying to take cursive writing out of the curriculum all together because they say it’s rarely used and no longer needed? It’s sad where we’re headed…

    They have already taken it out the the school district here in GA where my daughter goes. Its stupid, how the hail they supposed to know how to sign documents??? I had to take it upon myself to buy books and teach that chit myself. SMH

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    @ HH

    i wish I did get grades handed to me, but since im not a butt kisser (not in my blood) or person of interest I had to work for mines, but I wish I did. Would have made college a little easier.

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    @ Cfree

    im glad your a good parent. Essentally its our job anyways to foster a love of education at home first, but some parents are so busy letting spongebob raise their kids, they probably wouldnt even know.

  • CFREE

    @Laci, I have always been alert when it comes to my child education even tho she is naturally a brainiac, principals list and beta club member. I always still check up on what she's doing b/c I dont trust the school will do their job always. My mom never monitored what I was doing in school but let me had came home with some fkd up grades she woulda been all upside my head. I vowed not to be that one!

  • Hard Hitter

    Laci
    Aint that the truth. Wish a teacher would have given me some grades (some did) but I worked hard. If a professor gives you a good job... I'll be laughing all the way to the bank (forever indebted).

    Alas, I had to work for mine. Aint no handouts to a Hard Hitter. Back to my "Get Okay Slow" scheme.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    Crickett says:

    When Bush pushed money at APS with NO Child Left Behind- his program ran checks and balances and checked on the progress of APS through a series of test. These test scrapped the curriculum and forced administrators to “teach for the test”. Yes, it’s greed but that being said- that climate was created with a program to help a failing poor city school system out the gutter.
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    We have a bona fide educator in the house! Oh, and :welcome:

  • Laci PYT since 1984

    @ Cfree

    LOL your right! my mom did the samething. Her goal was for us to graduate highschool because she never did, but I want more for my child.

    @ HH

    lol I am too. I think imma be a professional student. I got way to many student loans to pay back now.

  • imthaboss

    The problem is people going to college and getting degrees in Business, Law, Technology, etc., and discovering that when they get out in the real world, they don't enjoy what they went to school for or discover that what they wanted at 18 is not what they want at 24. So what do they do? They teach

  • imthaboss

    As far as salary...the median income for an Atlanta teacher is 60 stacks plus benefits. Now if u can't live off that, you have issues, big time!! $50,000 yr afforded me a home, luxury vehicle as well as designer shoes and clothes. And did I mention that my two kids? I will save money management for another post.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    My nephew attended the University of Miami's laboratory school, grades 3 through 6. It was a public school but it had its own built-in funding. In addition to a waiting list to get into the school, students had to posses above average intelligence. I think public school systems should identify the weaker students and place them in special needs schools that will be targeted for funding that specifically addresses those needs. This would eliminate the need for cheating because those schools would be identified as schools where the students are not expected to be high achievers.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    imthaboss says:

    As far as salary…the median income for an Atlanta teacher is 60 stacks plus benefits. Now if u can’t live off that, you have issues, big time!!
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    That is so true! I earned $55,000 in my last year as a RN. Of course I only worked 2 days a week (on weekends), but still...

  • imthaboss

    Sandra, please correct me on this if I am wrong, but isn't that what a title 1 school is considered as. The state provide funding and additional resources for the children that are struggling. There are a lot of those schools in Atlanta and everywhere else.

  • CFREE

    I agree 100% Sandra! Comment 93 :yes:

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    Man, I just don’t care™ says:

    @TATTED

    :blink:

    I thought you ain’t use the strap???
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    See, this is why we can't get ahead. This post is about the education system failing our students and we're talking about straps :mad:

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    @ imthaboss:

    I don't know what a title 1 school is. Does that mean the schools where the cheating took place are title 1 schools? If so, why did they have to cheat? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? They should receive funding because those kids are not expected to excel academically unless their special needs are addressed. And for that they need funding.

  • Bosstown

    What is even worse is that Dr. Beverly Hall is now vacationing in Hawaii while everyone else is dealing with the fallout. They need to stop her pension checks from APS and return them back to the communities that she deprived to further her own causes. Being a former APS student it is a shame that we can trust the people that are supposed to educate our children. Don't get me wrong parents also play a part in knowing where there child is at education wise but to lie and cheat is downright CRIMINAL and there should be severe consequences for all those that it was reported to and had the power to investigate and correct. Now we have a generation of children that have been cheated out of a proper education.....they are our future!!!!!!!!!!!
    :mad:
    :cuss:

  • imthaboss

    Title 1 is the nations oldest and largest federally funded program. Annually it provides over 7 billion to school systems across the country for students at risk of failure and living at or near poverty. Seems like most of Atlanta schools fit the criteria.

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Sandra...that was 3 or 4 comments out of 99!

  • Bosstown

    @Imthaboss but with them cheating on these tests it prevents the schools from getting help that the students need because it appears if everything is OK and the school doesn't need the assistance am I correct?

  • imthaboss

    Ur right Boss, but remember, not ALL of the schools fit the criteria, most of them do. The have about 80 schools in that system. So think about it, how do u get loot for the other schools????

  • Bosstown

    Exactly, this is the worse in US History and that is not what Atlanta is about. I am so disappointed in APS for allowing these people to go unchecked for so long. They say this goes back as far as 2001 so these kids are in High School now about to graduate. Don't know how it went on for so long .......just so disappointed.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven says:

    @ Sandra…that was 3 or 4 comments out of 99!
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    My bad :)

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    @ imthaboss: Something is wrong. If schools are identified as underachieving and at poverty level, they should get the funding to improve those problems. But even so, ALL schools should receive funding regardless of the results of standardized tests. That's how it was when I was in school.

  • Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven

    @ Sandra...YOU KNOW WHAT, I LUBS YOU! I bet you're the coolest evah!

  • imthaboss

    Most schools get 100% funding from the state, Atlanta may be only 30% funded. The other 70% comes from other sources, whether its local or national such as Bill Gates.

  • Hard Hitter

    Google FCAT

    Teachers have to teach what they have to teach if performance-based job is scored off test results (want to be fired)
    Princpals will put weight on teachers to influence what are the real priorities when test results drive school funding (want new books)
    Students will concentrate on that one test alone if moving on to the next grade is contingent upon passing a standardized test ( want to be kept back)
    This all leads to no curriculum being taught.... only teaching, all year long, what's needed to pass one test (want a less educated youth)
    Tis the state of the school system in some areas

  • KrayZKat

    My brother used to teach science for L.A. Unified and Compton school districts. Many of his students were living in the innercity, and when he'd have science competitions, the innercity kids superceded the rich white kids. These students had a hunger for knowledge. He knew this, raised the bar, and did not accept failure or the words, "I can't." It was the white teachers that failed these students because they figured the students were't really going to amount to much, so they made excuses for many of their academic failures.

    These kids were sponges, and just needed someone to believe in them. They were so hyped about learning science (upper level science), that they'd often go into the room where my brother was during their lunch break. These were black/Latino children - the "throw aways" so to speak. This is not unusual.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    Tatted Diva AKA The Makeup Maven says:

    @ Sandra…YOU KNOW WHAT, I LUBS YOU! I bet you’re the coolest evah!
    ________________

    Thanks! I'm not the coolest evah, but I come close :D

  • MissWilson

    Miss Sandra is right. Title I is a part of the NCLB grant. The poorer the students perform on the standardized tests, the more federal money they receive. I work in a school district in Atlantic City, NJ and I handle those funds. The reason that we receive as much money as we do is because and alarming number of the students fail those tests and the majority of the student body are poor minorities. Each school in the district receives their allocation based on their level of need. It would'nt make sense for APS to alter test scores in an effort to receive more funding. If the students pass,they get less money.

  • DMisses

    This might come as a shocker but it isn't only happening in Atlanta, I can assure you that the very same thing goes on at every school in poverty stricken, urban communities. I can attest to it happening here in Dallas when I was in school, the teachers would give us the answers to the then ITBS and TAAS test and as a child I thought it was because they wanted us to pass and were concerned with our futures, it wasn't until I grew up and became a parent that I realized that these schools get money from the government when they are considered what's called "recognized". Atlanta isn't at the bottom of the totem pole, these others schools just haven't slipped up and got busted I guarantee you eventually they will now that the boo boo has hit the fan.

  • Dr.GiGi

    Unfortunately many of you have NO CLUE what the average teacher goes through. As an Atlanta educator (not with APS)I must point out that cheating is NEVER the answer. However, the pressure that was placed on teachers to excel after NCLB Act was intense! I am sorry...but many of these parents and administrators want you to work miracles! I have had children come to me who literally knew NOTHING! While most times this is due to parents expecting all of their child's learning to take place at school, other times this is due to the students lack of desire to learn. With each passing year, it seems that if you are not turning flips for these technologically (i.e. Facebook, Twitter, etc, etc) addicted children, they have got a head down on a desk, or not turning in homework because they are going to be football player, or my favorite one a rapper. When you are in the 5th grade and cannot read...how do you expect me to have this student pass the test in 180 days? I know what most of you are thinking, well how did they get that far...it's called my mom will cut a f-in monkey if you even mention retention...so off to the next grade level non-reading Johnny goes! Off that soap box and on to the next!

    Do any of you remember a few years back when Gwinnett County was accused of the same type of cheating scandal? Some of their teachers were actually taking/sending the test home.. Mighty funny how a story dissolves when children of the other persuasion are being affected. All I am saying is don't be so quick to judge. There is a LOT of dirt going on that is not necessarily in the urban communities. I am really worried about our educational system...if you all only knew!

  • TwinMom

    @Dr.GiGi Speak on it! I am VP of the PTO at my children's "Title 1" school. It is quite ironic that the so called "poor" children in our area can get free and reduced lunch but have every pair of Jordan's ever made, every game system and game that ever came out, 60 inch flat screens all through the house. No one is saving for college or planning for tomorrow. Let's not mention career pathing these kids..cause the parents are too busy riding the system. If you are going to have a baby, care enough to train the child. This is always a hot topic for me. But I end on this note......don't leave it ALL up to the teachers....or your child will be left behind.

  • ELove

    Read ALL of the Comments (ALOT of Good Stuff !!!)

    The LAST TWO COMMENTS I just finished reading are Ridiculously ON-POINT To Me (#114 #115) :thumbsup:

  • dnykole09

    As a pre service teacher, I am appalled at the antics going on in the Atlanta school districts. However, this is very common in more state school districts. A south Carolina native, it is taught to scaffold a child into getting the right answer on an assessment and to collaborate with peers....in laymen's terms, use what you have learned to help the struggling child and they will help you. Collaboration as in cheating but sugar coating the word. Many teachers are pushing their kids into marking the correct answer on a test, not actually teaching the child why answer is correct but to receive benefits at the end of the year for high test schools. I have seen it with my own eyes and taught to use these techniques...Atlanta just wasn't savy enough not to get caught....

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    MissWilson says:

    Each school in the district receives their allocation based on their level of need. It would’nt make sense for APS to alter test scores in an effort to receive more funding.
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    It was imtheboss who brought up the Title 1 schools, not me. But what u wrote makes sense if the teachers were altering the scores so the students failed the tests.

  • https://sandrarose.com Sandra Rose

    ELove says:

    Read ALL of the Comments (ALOT of Good Stuff !!!)
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    These are EXCELLENT comments! I see there are quite a few educators in here. I'm proud of the fact that my readers are so intellectual and highly educated. :yes: